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mrjames 
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02-01-18 04:06 PM - Post#245406    

Dartmouth (+4.5) at Cornell
Yale (+6) at Princeton
Harvard (-1) at Columbia
Brown (+8.5) at Pennsylvania

Brown and Yale are pretty significant deviations from KenPom toward the road teams (2-3 pts).

 
TigerFan 
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Re: 2/2 Lines
02-01-18 09:05 PM - Post#245448    
    In response to mrjames

Shadow -3.5 at Groundhog

 
penn nation 
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Re: 2/2 Lines
02-01-18 09:19 PM - Post#245453    
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  • TigerFan Said:
Shadow -3.5 at Groundhog



The shadow knows.


 
whitakk 
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Re: 2/2 Lines
02-02-18 12:35 AM - Post#245475    
    In response to mrjames

Yale-Princeton already up to 7.5, which makes more sense.

 
penn nation 
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Re: 2/2 Lines
02-02-18 09:12 AM - Post#245485    
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Nailed it.

  • penn nation Said:
  • TigerFan Said:
Shadow -3.5 at Groundhog



The shadow knows.





 
mrjames 
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Re: 2/2 Lines
02-02-18 11:00 AM - Post#245510    
    In response to penn nation

Don't know that I totally grasp all the lines today.

Brown/Penn total of 145.5? Penn's *fast* games recently have all been due to ridiculous final two minute possession counts versus Cornell and Columbia due to free throws in those games. That's fine if you want to assume that again, but it doesn't mesh well with a 9.5-point spread. The two teams don't rebound the ball offensively all that much and Brown gets a ton of its points at the line which can add possessions, but that O/U and spread implies a 77-68 or 78-68 final, which seems like a LOT of points without end of game free throws. I think if you like the over, you have to like Brown covering.

Yale's moved a bit to +7.5. A team playing as well as Princeton has (No. 50) since the GW game in December, should be an 18.5-point favorite over Yale at home.

I don't know what to make of Harvard right now, but 138.5 seems like WAY too many points. Like most of that game, you're essentially proxying for taking the over on threes made.

 
Quakers03 
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02-02-18 02:09 PM - Post#245588    
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Are we not surprised that the Harvard line is as low as it is?

 
PennFan10 
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02-02-18 02:16 PM - Post#245590    
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I’ll be very surprised if Brown/Penn is in the 60’s for either team. I like the over a lot. I agree Brown covers.

 
mrjames 
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2/2 Lines
02-02-18 04:12 PM - Post#245615    
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I just wouldn’t touch that line. Bryce still isn’t starting, and it’s unclear how much he’ll play. The offense is awful without him unless Seth goes bonkers. Columbia could shoot their way out of the Harvard defensive sleeper hold. At the same time, if Harvard matches Columbia’s three point shooting and Bryce plays 30 mins or so, that line is probably a little light.

Would touch any Harvard lines until they get set with their actual team.

 
Quakers03 
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02-02-18 05:26 PM - Post#245630    
    In response to PennFan10

  • PennFan10 Said:
I’ll be very surprised if Brown/Penn is in the 60’s for either team. I like the over a lot. I agree Brown covers.


Line is now up to 147 so I think others agree with you.

 
mrjames 
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02-02-18 06:04 PM - Post#245637    
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Yeah - I'm even seeing 148 now. To me, that doesn't seem like a conception of the game that favors Penn.

 
PennFan10 
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02-02-18 10:57 PM - Post#245738    
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Played out as I thought it might, though I would not have been shock d if Penn lost. Brown has too much firepower but can’t play defense. In the end AJ with a huge defensive stop via block and Penn made the FT they needed to. Max playing big minutes with 4 fouls.

 
Streamers 
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02-03-18 01:51 PM - Post#245821    
    In response to PennFan10

Dogs went 4-4. I'm shocked! Bodes well for the Iggles.

Penn -6, PU -11.5, Harvard -3.5 Columbia -7.5 tonight. I don't think any of them cover. Aside from Harvard at 139, all the Unders look good as well.



 
Streamers 
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02-04-18 12:44 PM - Post#246042    
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Dogs went 3-4, Penn hits FTs at the end and covers.

Still shaking my head over the PU/Brown game. I bet PU has never ever gone Chessesteak and lost before. I wonder if this has ever happened in the entire league?

 
penn nation 
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02-04-18 01:00 PM - Post#246048    
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Closest I found for Penn was a 105-97 home loss to Harvard in the '89-'90 season.

 
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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02-04-18 02:37 PM - Post#246060    
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Does the Abner's cheesesteak promotion apply if we score 100 and lose?

Asking for a friend.

 
JDP 
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02-04-18 02:51 PM - Post#246063    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

I do not believe there are any qualifications ... more beer sales after scoring 100 and winning or losing?

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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02-04-18 03:08 PM - Post#246069    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

  • T.P.F.K.A.D.W. Said:
Does the Abner's cheesesteak promotion apply if we score 100 and lose?

Asking for a friend.



That's just cruel

 
penn nation 
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02-04-18 03:58 PM - Post#246081    
    In response to penn nation

Found one! Columbia lost at Harvard, 102-100, on 2/19/72.



  • penn nation Said:
Closest I found for Penn was a 105-97 home loss to Harvard in the '89-'90 season.




 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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02-04-18 04:22 PM - Post#246083    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Don't know if the results thus far prove much:

Penn (5-0): all at home, all by single digits, no key injuries throughout. Outperformed abysmal season FT shooting to win last two games - trend or good luck?

Princeton (3-2): playing the best of all Ivy squads over the past 60 days; about to host its 5th game out of 6 with a chance to avenge the loss to Penn;

Harvard (5-1): looking good considering the Crimson have played 5 of 6 on the road, for the most part without Aiken and Baker; Aiken likely out for the foreseeable future, putting enormous pressure on Juzang and Haskett; Harvard fortunate that good start will allow for Bryce to rest and recover;

Brown (3-3): really impressive offense; had they made free throws at Penn would have swept P's on the road; playing this Brown team is scary; can one win the league with weak defense? More likely the tournament.

Columbia (3-3): already played at P's; looked good against Harvard but almost lost to Dartmouth at home;

Yale (2-4): no Mason sighting yet; finished with the trip to the P's;

Cornell (2-4): two man show, but those two (Morgan and Gettings) sure can score;

Dartmouth (0-6): gutsy and resilient, even without Chris Knight this past weekend; oh where they could be with a full roster

Coming Up:

Penn at Princeton: not my rivalry, but doubt Penn will need to score 95 or Princeton 100+ to win this game. Back to Ivy ball

P's at Harvard/Dartmouth: Harvard seems to have given itself the breathing room it needs regardless of what happens this coming weekend; would be huge if Crimson can split or sweep at home though. Can Dartmouth slow the P's march to the tournament? Unlikely.

C's at Yale/Brown: Big games for the 4th spot. Does Mason return? Brown's momentum could lift it to 5-3 which would be huge. Columbia wins at Yale/Brown would make a statement.

Buckle your seatbelts.



 
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