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Bison137 
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03-14-16 04:07 PM - Post#204447    

Starting this thread. There are already 31 outstanding offers that I've seen. Likely more in total. This is a lot more than were out there in mid-March last year.

Interestingly, 16 of the 31 offers are to players south of D.C. And of the seven PA recruits, only two are from eastern half of the state. Very unusual geographic pattern so far.



- Alonso, Mandy . DL 6-2 275 lbs ( FL ) … Toledo, Bowling Green, FL Atlantic, etc
- Barr, PJ . OL 6-3 280 lbs ( NJ ) …
- Brown, Jason . QB 6-3 195 lbs ( FL ) …
- Carrington, Darrion . WR 6-2 160 lbs ( NJ ) … Wagner
- Covatto, Dominick . DT 6-3 302 lbs ( PA ) …
- Davis, Coby . DB/WR 6-1 180 lbs ( DC ) …
- Davis, Dakota . OL 6-5 312 lbs ( MD ) … Fordham, ODU, Monmouth
- Deary, Sterling . CB 5-11 165 lbs ( TX ) …
- DeVito, Tommy . QB 6-2 190 lbs ( NJ ) … Temple, Penn, MD, Syracuse, Rutgers, Yale, Bowling Green, Monmouth, etc
- George, Brandon . QB 6-1 192 lbs ( OK ) … Wake Forest, Hawaii, Houston, N. TX,
- Howerton, Hayden . OL 6-4 255 lbs ( TX ) … Kansas, New Mexico, Hawaii, Fresno, Columbia, etc
- Hubbard, Stanley . OL 6-3 305 lbs ( DC ) … Marshall, Fordham
- Huggins, Eli . DL 6-4 285 lbs ( GA ) … Akron, Bryant,
- Johns, Mitchell . LB 6-2 223 lbs ( DC ) … Nevada
- Kier, PK . RB 5-11 205 lbs ( VA ) … App State, Marshall, TX State, JMU
- Lezzer, Ryan . WR/DB 6-1 186 lbs ( PA ) … Army,Albany, TN Tech,Yale, Cornell, RMU, etc
- Marshall, Alexander . TE 6-7 240 lbs ( MA ) … FL State, LSU, Nebr, Pitt, Wake, and many others
- McCloskey, Kyle . QB 6-4 210 lbs ( PA ) … Ohio, Toledo, Princeton, Harvard, Yale, HC, Datmouth, etc
- Ngendakuriyo, Dean . CB 5-11 180 lbs ( VA ) … Army, Bryant, Columbia
- Park, Andrew . TE 6-5 235 lbs ( VA ) … Committed to MD; Pitt, W&M, Miami (OH), JMU,
- Payne, Jordan . RB/SS 6-1 205 lbs ( GA ) … Mercer
- Rhyne, Forrest . LB 6-2 230 lbs ( PA ) … Monmouth, Bryant, Columbia,
- Ruane, Mike . LB 6-1 220 lbs ( NJ ) … Penn, Monmouth, St. Francis, others
- Smith, Anthony . RB 5-11 195 lbs ( TX ) … Army,
- Thaxton, Ryan . DE 6-4 240 lbs ( VA ) … Army, Cinci, ODU,
- Twiford, Alex . TE/DE 6-3 225 lbs ( PA ) … Cornell
- Valdez, Marcus . DE 6-1 245 lbs ( NJ ) … Penn. Yale, Cornell, Monmouth
- Warfield, Cameron . OL 6-4 275 lbs ( DC ) …
- Willis, Seth . OL 6-6 315 lbs ( CT ) …
- Young, Jack . WR 6-2 185 lbs ( PA ) … Navy, Cornell, Duquesne, Dartmouth, etc
- Zandier, Zane . LB 6-3 205 lbs ( PA ) … Syracuse, WVU, RMU, Toledo


Note: everyone on the above list has a reported Bucknell offer.




 
Bison137 
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06-09-16 10:24 PM - Post#207551    
    In response to Bison137

Way behind on updating this list - but here are players with reported offers since the last one. May be missing some.


- Buchanan, Adam . TE/DE . 6-4 245 lbs ( MA ) … HC, LU, CU, Bryant
- Chadbourn, Evan . RB . 5-11 185 lbs ( PA ) … Air Force, Army, Colgate, LC, Navy, Temple, Yale, Harvard, etc
- Darnell, Nasir . DE . 6-3 235 lbs ( NJ ) … Delawar e, Columbia
- Diodato, Anthony . DL . 6-4 260 lbs ( PA ) … Bryant, Buffalo, etc
- Fex, Joe . RB . 5-11 186 lbs ( TX ) … Air Force
- Flanders, Cal . DE/TE . 6-4 250 lbs ( MA ) … HC, Delaware, Central CT, Navy, Fordham, Bryant
- Haffner, Pete . LB . 6-1 220 lbs ( PA ) … Monmout h, Central CT, Columbia
- Johnson, James . LB . 5-10 205 lbs ( PA ) …
- Johnson, Nykeim . WR . 5-9 167 lbs ( DC ) … Army, Virginia, Delaware, B. Green, Charlotte, Fordham. Navy, Towson, etc
- Lotti, Anthony . S . 6-0 185 lbs ( NJ ) … Rutgers , Colgate, Delaware, UNH
- McDaniel, Darryl . S . 6-1 185 lbs ( DC ) … W&M . Albany
- Mehelic, Adam . TE . 6-4 230 lbs ( OH ) … Committ ed to Miami(OH); Cinci, Ball State, Colgate, Kent, Youngstown, etc
- Muehlbauer, Jon . WR/DB . 6-2 175 lbs ( PA ) …
- Newton, Jervon . RB/CB . 5-11 190 lbs ( FL ) …
- Nunez, Kyle . OL . 6-3 308 lbs ( NY ) … Lehigh, Wagner
- Rice, Niko . WR . 6-1 183 lbs ( MD ) … Fordham , HC, Penn, Towson, Bryant, Monmouth, etc
- Robinson, Delano . S . 5-11 185 lbs ( TX ) … Committ ed to SMU; Air Force, SFA. Etc
- Stephenson, Darian . LB . 6-2 216 lbs ( FL ) … Temple, UNH, UAB, etc
- Touray, Lamin . LB . 5-11 230 lbs ( CA ) … Colorad o State, Hawaii, Wyoming, etc
- Trautman, Jake . OL . 6-4 265 lbs ( PA ) …
- Twyman, Malik . RB . 5-9 203 lbs ( PA ) … Committ ed to Colgate
- Wright, Owen . RB . 5-10 205 lbs ( MD ) … UNH, Navy




 
Bison137 
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06-12-16 10:26 PM - Post#207585    
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The Bison received a commitment from Rick Mottram 6-2 225 lb LB (NJ) - Allentown HS. Also a TE/FB. Was the Trenton Area DPOY and 2nd team All-State Group IV (large schools).

Rick Mottram is the Trenton Defensive Player of the Year

"A linebacker, Mottram was second in the state in tackles with 143. As a sophomore he was in on 138 tackles. This season he also came up with four fumble recoveries, had one interception and two sacks.

A junior, he also played offense. As a short-yardage back he ran 42 times for 348 yards and eight touchdowns. At tight end he made eight catches for 220 yards and two touchdowns."




 
Bison137 
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06-15-16 05:15 PM - Post#207691    
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Interesting that 50+ HS players from Michigan are attending the Ohio State camp Friday and then the Bison camp Saturday. I wonder if there was some coordination involved between Susan and OSU associate head coach Greg Schiano.

https://twitter.com/TheD_Zone





 
Bison137 
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06-18-16 10:28 PM - Post#207778    
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The Bison received a commitment from Alex Twiford 6-3 230 lb TE (PA) from Wilson HS. He caught 33 passes for 460 yards and 3 TD's. Also rushed for 5 TD's as a short yardage FB. Wilson went 9-1 during last year's regular season before losing in OT in the second round of the AAAA playoffs.

Twiford was a recruiting target for the Bison, having received his offer back in February. He also had offers from Cornell, Robert Morris, and possibly others.

He was recently named to the PA coaches list of top rising seniors. Was All L-L league the past two years




 
Bison137 
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06-27-16 10:05 AM - Post#207965    
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They weren't on Bucknell's radar, but Bison WR Marcus Ademilola's younger brothers both just committed to Notre Dame. Jayson is a 6-foot-3, 285-pound DL, and Justin is a 6-3, 240-pound OLB. The two are twins and rising HS seniors.



http://www.ndinsider.com/recruiting/brian-kell y-se...




 
Bison137 
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07-06-16 07:14 PM - Post#208144    
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Another Bison commitment: PJ Barr 6-4 275 lb OL (NJ) - St. Joseph (Metuchen). Also had offers from Bryant, Lafayette, and Robert Morris. He is the third commitment - one OL, one LB, one TE.

Article: http://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/sports/high-s...




 
Bison137 
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07-06-16 10:41 PM - Post#208146    
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Updated list. Players with an "#" in front of their name are either new additions of have new info. List is up to 62 players.


Name . . . . . . . POS . . . . Height . . . Weight . . State . . Offers

- Alonso, Mandy . DL . 6-2 275 lbs ( FL ) … WV, Air Force, Syracuse, Temple, Navy, Lehigh, FL Atlantic, Toledo, etc
- # Barr, PJ . OL . 6-4 275 lbs ( NJ ) …  COMMITTED TO BUCKNELL 7/6/16; Bryant, Lafayette, Robert Morris
- # Bitikofer Logan . QB . 6-3 200 lbs ( OH ) …
- Brown, Jason . QB . 6-3 195 lbs ( FL ) …  FL A&M
- Buchanan, Adam . TE/DE . 6-4 245 lbs ( MA ) … HC, LU, CU, Bryant
- # Butler, Eric . CB . 5-10 165 lbs ( FL ) … Colgate , Marist, FL Tech
- Carrington, Darrion . WR . 6-2 160 lbs ( NJ ) … Wagner
- Chadbourn, Evan . RB . 5-11 185 lbs ( PA ) … Air Force, Army, Colgate, LC, Navy, Temple, Yale, Harvard, etc
- # Chastulik Kelton . DT/OL . 6-3 270 lbs ( PA ) … Harvard , Princeton, Yale, Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Monmouth, Duq.
- Covatto, Dominick . DT . 6-3 302 lbs ( PA ) …  Air Force, Albany, Army, Bryant, Kent, Navy, Toledo, etc.
- Darnell, Nasir . DE . 6-3 235 lbs ( NJ ) … Delawar e, Columbia
- Davis, Coby . DB/WR . 6-1 180 lbs ( DC ) … 
- Davis, Dakota . OL . 6-5 312 lbs ( MD ) … Air Force, Fordham,HC, LU, JMU, Villanova, ODU,Monmouth, Albany,
- Deary, Sterling . CB . 5-11 165 lbs ( TX ) …  HC, San Diego
- DeVito, Tommy . QB . 6-2 190 lbs ( NJ ) … Committ ed to Syracuse; Temple, Penn, MD, Rutgers, Yale, Bowling Green, Monmouth, etc 
- Diodato, Anthony . DL . 6-4 260 lbs ( PA ) … Bryant, Buffalo, etc
- Fex, Joe . RB . 5-11 186 lbs ( TX ) … Air Force
- Flanders, Cal . DE/TE . 6-4 250 lbs ( MA ) … HC, Delaware, Central CT, Navy, Fordham, Bryant
- George, Brandon . QB . 6-1 192 lbs ( OK ) … WakeFor est, Yale, Hawaii, Houston, Ohio, N.TX, 
- Haffner, Pete . LB . 6-1 220 lbs ( PA ) … Monmout h, Central CT, Columbia
- # Heard, Phillip . DE . 6-2 235 lbs ( NY ) … Monmout h, Stetson
- Howerton, Hayden . OL . 6-4 255 lbs ( TX ) … Committ ed to Rice; Kansas, NewMexico, Hawaii, Fresno, Columbia, etc
- Hubbard, Stanley . OL . 6-3 305 lbs ( DC ) … Marshal l, Fordham, Air Force, Army, Uconn, Navy, Nevada, Temple, etc
- # Huggins, Eli . DL . 6-4 285 lbs ( GA ) … Committ ed to KS State; Air Force, Army, Navy, HC, NC State, Brown, Akron,Bryant, etc
- # Jackson, Bryce . S . 6-1 181 lbs ( ) … Committed to Northwestern; Army, Cornell, Wake, Nevada, New Mexico, etc.
- Johns, Mitchell . LB . 6-2 223 lbs ( DC ) … Army, Air Force, Navy, Delaware, Ball St, W&M, Nevada
- Johnson, James . LB . 5-10 205 lbs ( PA ) …
- # Johnson, Nykeim . WR . 5-9 167 lbs ( DC ) … Committ ed to Syracuse; Army, Virginia, Delaware, B. Green, Charlotte, Fordham. Navy, Towson, etc
- Kier, PK . RB . 5-11 205 lbs ( VA ) … Committ ed to JMU; AppState,Marshall,TX State,JMU, Virginia
- # Lang, Joe . S . 5-11 192 lbs ( FL ) … Cornell , Marist, Georgetown
- Lezzer, Ryan . WR/DB . 6-1 186 lbs ( PA ) … Army, Albany, TN Tech, Colgate, HC, UNH, Navy, Yale, Harvard, Cornell, Air Force, etc
- Lotti, Anthony . S . 6-0 185 lbs ( NJ ) … Rutgers , Colgate, Delaware, UNH
- Marshall, Alexander . TE . 6-7 240 lbs ( MA ) … Committ ed to FL State ,LSU, Nebr, Pitt, Wake,and many others
- McCloskey, Kyle . QB . 6-4 210 lbs ( PA ) … Committ ed to Villanova; Ohio, Toledo ,Princeton, Harvard, Yale, HC, Datmouth,etc
- McDaniel, Darryl . S . 6-1 185 lbs ( DC ) … W&M . Albany
- Mehelic, Adam . TE . 6-4 230 lbs ( OH ) … Committ ed to Miami(OH); Cinci, Ball State, Colgate, Kent, Youngstown, etc
- # Mottram, Rick . LB . 6-2 225 lbs ( NJ ) … COMMITTED TO BUCKNELL 6/12/16; Trenton Area DPOY
- Muehlbauer, Jon . WR/DB . 6-2 175 lbs ( PA ) …
- Newton, Jervon . RB/CB . 5-11 190 lbs ( FL ) … Army, W. Illinois
- Ngendakuriyo, Dean . CB . 5-11 180 lbs ( VA ) … Army,Br yant,Columbia
- Nunez, Kyle . OL . 6-3 308 lbs ( NY ) … Lehigh, Wagner
- Park, Andrew . TE . 6-5 235 lbs ( VA ) … Committ ed to MD; Pitt, W&M, Miami(OH), JMU, 
- Payne, Jordan . RB/SS . 6-1 205 lbs ( GA ) … Mercer
- Peppers, Justin . OL . 6-5 300 lbs ( VA ) … Liberty , Bucknell, Cornell
- Rhyne, Forrest . LB . 6-2 230 lbs ( PA ) … Monmout h, HC, Bryant, Columbia, 
- Rice, Niko . WR . 6-1 183 lbs ( MD ) … Fordham , HC, Penn, Towson, Bryant, Monmouth, etc
- # Robinson, Delano . S . 5-11 185 lbs ( TX ) … Committ ed to SMU; Air Force, SFA. Etc
- # Ruane, Mike . LB . 6-1 220 lbs ( NJ ) … Committ ed to UMass; Air Force, Navy, Colgate, Fordham, Harvard, Penn, Yale, Villanova, W&M, HC, Delaware, UNH, B. Green, Penn, Monmouth, St.Francis,
- Smith, Anthony . RB . 5-11 195 lbs ( TX ) … Army, Tulane, Utah State
- Stephenson, Darian . LB . 6-2 216 lbs ( FL ) … Temple, UNH, UAB, etc
- Thaxton, Ryan . DE . 6-4 240 lbs ( VA ) … Vandy, UVA, TN, Cinci, Yale, Army, Cinci, ODU, etc
- Touray, Lamin . LB . 5-11 230 lbs ( CA ) … Colorad o State, Hawaii, Wyoming, etc
- Trautman, Jake . OL . 6-4 265 lbs ( PA ) …
- # Twiford, Alex . TE/DE . 6-3 225 lbs ( PA ) … COMMITTED TO BUCKNELL 6/16/16; Cornell, Robert Morris, etc.
- # Twyman, Malik . RB . 5-9 203 lbs ( PA ) … Committ ed to Colgate
- Valdez, Marcus . DE . 6-1 245 lbs ( NJ ) … Rutgers , Duke, Army, Navy, Colgate, HC, JMU, Penn. Yale, Cornell, Monmouth, etc
- Warfield, Cameron . OL . 6-4 275 lbs ( DC ) …
- # Willis, Seth . OL . 6-6 315 lbs ( CT ) … Committ ed to BYU; Bryant, CCSU, Fordham, Holy Cross, Stetson
- Wright, Owen . RB . 5-10 205 lbs ( MD ) … UNH, Navy
- # Young, Jack . WR . 6-2 185 lbs ( PA ) … Navy,Co rnell,Duquesne,Dartmouth, etc
- # Zandier, Zane . LB . 6-3 205 lbs ( PA ) … Syracus e, BC, WVU, Kansas, UVA, Princeton, Villanova, Toledo, etc




Edited by Bison137 on 07-06-16 10:47 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
JDBison2010 
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07-12-16 04:51 PM - Post#208265    
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Article checks in on recruiting in the PL. Also reveals our 4th commitment for the 2017 class: Logan Bitikofer 6-2 200 lbs QB (OH)

http://herosports.com/news/ncaa-fcs-mens-fo otball/...

 
Bison137 
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07-12-16 05:01 PM - Post#208266    
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  • JDBison2010 Said:
Article checks in on recruiting in the PL. Also reveals our 4th commitment for the 2017 class: Logan Bitikofer 6-2 200 lbs QB (OH)

http://herosports.com/news/ncaa-fcs-mens-fo otball/...




I had seen that earlier today - but can find no confirmation. Bitikofer's twitter account, which confirms his offer, has nothing about a Bucknell commitment. I am skeptical.




 
Bison137 
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07-26-16 09:46 PM - Post#209046    
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More Bison offers over the past two weeks, along with other offers:

# Marius, Max . S . 5-10 195 lbs ( FL ) …
# Ukwu, Isaac . DE . 6-3 220 lbs ( MD ) … Air Force, Albany, Fordham, Furman, Navy, Army, Yale, RMU, W&M, Penn, etc.
# Brown, Dylan . OL/DL . 6-3 305 lbs ( FL ) …
# Britzius, David . LB . 6-1 215 lbs ( FL ) …
# Hogarth, Shane . DE . 6-3 245 lbs ( PA ) … St. Francis, Marist
# Evans, Nate . RB . 5-9 185 lbs ( VA ) … Air Force, Army, Buffalo, Navy, Richmond
# DeMedal, Spencer . DB . 6-1 195 lbs ( PA ) … Duquesn e, St. Francis, RMU, etc
# Neal, Tre . CB . 5-11 180 lbs ( PA ) … Yale, Lehigh, Cornell, Columbia




 
JDBison2010 
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08-01-16 03:50 PM - Post#209178    
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  • Bison137 Said:
  • JDBison2010 Said:
Article checks in on recruiting in the PL. Also reveals our 4th commitment for the 2017 class: Logan Bitikofer 6-2 200 lbs QB (OH)

http://herosports.com/news/ncaa-fcs-mens-fo otball/...




I had seen that earlier today - but can find no confirmation. Bitikofer's twitter account, which confirms his offer, has nothing about a Bucknell commitment. I am skeptical.




Official confirmation came today from Logan's Twitter account

https://twitter.com/loganbitikofer/status /76020026...



 
Bison137 
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08-01-16 05:14 PM - Post#209184    
    In response to JDBison2010

Thanks. Biticofer is a fairly big pro style QB. Listed in some places as 6-3 200. As a junior, he completed 122-219 (56%) for 1609 yards and 22 TD's vs only 3 INT's. Carried the ball 47 times for 152 yards (which includes negative yardage from sacks). Only has been his team's punter for two years.

Highlight video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL7glcDgzHg


Bitikofer plays for New Philadelphia HS (OH), which is in Ohio's Division 3 (out of 7) and is located about 90 miles west of Pittsburgh. South of Canton. Team went 8-2 last year in the regular season, and then lost to a very strong team in States. The two regular season losses were also to good teams.




 
JDBison2010 
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08-30-16 10:23 AM - Post#210014    
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Per his Twitter account, Blais Herman 6-3 WR (TX) is the latest Bison commitment. Offer came on July 29th and appears to be his only one

 
Bison137 
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09-25-16 06:17 PM - Post#210832    
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Commitment from Justis Peppers, 6-5 300 lb OL/DT from VA. Had offers from New Hampshire, Liberty, VMI, Cornell, and a few D2's.

https://twitter.com/justispep/status/7801 622284902...


BU's biggest recruiting need - except perhaps for a stud QB - is for players on the OL and at DT, so this is a nice commitment.




 
Doktore K 
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09-26-16 02:55 PM - Post#210867    
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After watching the game on SAT with VMI attempting over 50 passes with no Bison sacks (0), I would say anyone who can rush the passer is the top recruiting need. DB's can look good or bad depending on whether the QB is hurried or sacked. We had little to no pressure all day.

Hopefully, the new recruit you list here is related to Julius Peppers!

And how do our kickers keep getting injured, both punter and PK? Strange and important.


 
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09-26-16 06:05 PM - Post#210879    
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  • Doktore K Said:
And how do our kickers keep getting injured, both punter and PK? Strange and important.



I was thinking the same thing. There's little contact involved with kicking, especially in practice. In fact, we seem to incur an unusual number of practice injuries compared to other PL teams. Is it related to the coaching style or are we just that unlucky?

 
Bison137 
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09-26-16 06:16 PM - Post#210880    
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I think part of it is simply bad luck, since it varies a lot by year. As for the kickers, the starting punter and place kicker is the same guy - Alex Pechin, who made 1st team All-PL as a frosh. He got hurt during warmups prior to Cornell. I'm assuming some sort of pulled muscle or groin injury, but I have no idea. The freshman on the roster, who was All-Pennsylvania last year, got hurt sometime prior to the opener and hasn't suited up yet.

The current junior class had a very good kicker in it - Connor Feehan from Virginia - who reportedly had won the starting job in preseason camp as a frosh. But unfortunately he developed a serious foot problem, tried to kick through it, had his season shut down, and need serious surgery with a long recovery period. He transferred out at the end of the year and I have no idea if he has played football again.




 
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09-28-16 05:47 PM - Post#210937    
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Given the success of our women's soccer team, maybe Coach Susan should recruit one of them as a PK.

 
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09-29-16 07:04 PM - Post#211005    
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Comparing injury levels across the PL haphazard at best given the differing disclosure policies. At Lehigh unless it is a starter unlikely we will ever hear about it.

 
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