Streamers
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04-20-19 10:25 PM - Post#283834
First IL title since 1986! #5 in the nation.
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LyleGold
PhD Student
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Re: Shout out to Penn Men’s Lax 04-22-19 03:04 PM - Post#283861
In response to Streamers
After an 0-3 start (including an OT loss to national powerhouse Maryland and one goal loss to current #1 Penn St.), they've run off eight straight wins. The road win at Cornell followed by the 3OT thriller over defending national champs Yale really cemented this team's confidence. They look unbeatable right now.
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frank
Junior
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Re: Shout out to Penn Men’s Lax 04-23-19 10:34 PM - Post#283910
In response to LyleGold
Another one of the three early-season losses is a one-goal loss at top-ranked Penn State. Only bad loss this year is 7-17 at Duke in the second game of the season.
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LyleGold
PhD Student
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Re: Shout out to Penn Men’s Lax 04-24-19 06:52 AM - Post#283912
In response to frank
Yes, I also mentioned the Penn St. game above. After the 0-3 start, it seemed like it would be a hard luck season with a bad record full of close losses. Remember we beat Duke at Franklin Field last year, which may have given them some extra motivation in this year's rematch. Either way, we're peaking at just the right time.
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rbg
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04-24-19 08:30 AM - Post#283914
In response to LyleGold
Some Lax Bracketology for those interested:
https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/bracketo...
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Streamers
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05-02-19 12:28 PM - Post#284117
In response to rbg
Now Ranked #3 going into the IL tournament.
Interesting that they are holding it at the one school that does not field a men's team. Wonder if that will change any time soon?
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rbg
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Shout out to Penn Men’s Lax 05-02-19 01:30 PM - Post#284118
In response to Streamers
Penn was ranked #4 and Yale was #5 heading into last weekend. After #2 Maryland and #3 Duke both lost, Yale ended up jumping over Penn to claim the #2 spot in the polls.
No matter what happens this weekend, Penn and Yale should both be in the NCAA Tournament. I think #9 Cornell seems likely to get in, as well, but Brown would need to get the win the Ivy Tournament and get the automatic bid.
I am guessing the league is happy to have the Lacrosse Tournament set up they way it is. They get to have it in NYC, at an on-campus site to save money and at a neutral venue.
After the basketball tournament rotation ends in 2025, maybe the other 7 schools can pay Columbia to remove its men's and women's basketball programs and then the league can have that same style event at Levien. (I kid ....)
Edited by rbg on 05-02-19 01:31 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Cvonvorys
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Re: Shout out to Penn Men’s Lax 05-03-19 08:23 PM - Post#284169
In response to rbg
Final: Penn 13 Brown 12.
Next game is Sunday vs. the winner of the Yale/Cornell game coming up next...
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Buckeye Quake
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Re: Shout out to Penn Men’s Lax 05-03-19 08:51 PM - Post#284171
In response to Cvonvorys
Had to hold on and fend off a torrid Brown comeback. Kudos to the Quakers for doing so.
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Cvonvorys
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Re: Shout out to Penn Men’s Lax 05-05-19 09:53 PM - Post#284208
In response to Buckeye Quake
Ivy League Tourney Champs... Penn 12 / Yale 11!!!
If you are a lax fan as I am, this was an awesome game. (As a part of this shout out thread, let me give a shout out to my son Aaron who scored 2 goals in his lax game earlier today in the pouring rain.)
So... The NCAA Lacrosse Tourney begins with Penn as the 4 seed and Yale as the 5 seed, which means if both Penn and Yale win their first round games, they face one another again in the second round.
What are the numbers regarding beating a team 3 times in one season?
These games will be televised, so I encourage y’all to watch...
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rbg
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05-05-19 09:56 PM - Post#284209
In response to Buckeye Quake
#3 Penn beat #2 Yale 12-11 this afternoon to win the Ivy Tournament.
https://pennathletics.com/news/2019/5/5/ilt-cha mps...
For their reward, they were named the #4 seed in the NCAA Tournament with a first round matchup against Army on Saturday the 11th at 5:00 pm (on ESPNU)
Yale was made the #5 seed with a first round matchup against Georgetown.
Cornell did not make it into the tournament.
The winners of those Penn/Army and Yale/Georgetown games will go up against each other on Sunday May 19th at either 12 or 2:30 pm. That game will be at Rentschler Field in East Hartford and televised on ESPNU.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/lacrosse-men/art icle/201...
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LyleGold
PhD Student
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05-05-19 10:38 PM - Post#284210
In response to rbg
Really awful seeding considering the prospect of a third matchup with Yale in the second round. That's more of a Final Four level game. It would have made more sense to swap Towson and Yale at #5 and #6 rather than to force us to beat the defending national champs for a third time to reach Championship Weekend here in Philly.
I wonder how much the head of the committee, who happens to be the Brown AD, wanted to punish us for edging out the Bears in Friday's Ivy semifinal. I also think Duke is overseeded at #2. We really should be #3 after UVa with Duke and Yale at #5 and #6 in any order. Cornell is out and Maryland is in, probably thanks to beating us early in the year which looks better as we extend out winning steak to 11. Our rise also probably helped Duke earn its gift at #2 after handing us our only solid loss early in the season.
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Streamers
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05-06-19 01:06 PM - Post#284223
In response to LyleGold
Why did UVA rate the 3-seed? I don't get that one.
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rbg
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05-06-19 01:46 PM - Post#284225
In response to Streamers
Maybe they went wit RPI? Checking last week's rankings based on that metric, it was
1 - Penn State; 2 - Duke; 3 - Virginia; 4 - Yale; 5 - Penn.
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frank
Junior
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05-06-19 03:31 PM - Post#284227
In response to rbg
Basketball has abandoned the RPI for a reason. So both Ivy teams cannot get to the final 4, but both ACC teams can. Which is fair because everyone knows that it's the ACC, right? What a joke, having Duke and UVA in the top 3 is an outrage, has to have been done on purpose.
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Streamers
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05-06-19 04:21 PM - Post#284229
In response to frank
Does anyone think the ACC is the stronger conference top-bottom?
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LyleGold
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05-06-19 06:09 PM - Post#284230
In response to Streamers
Yes, I do, but there are only five ACC teams, so they don't qualify as an automatic bid conference. The Ivy League has three national level teams this year, and one of them, Cornell, didn't get in. The ACC has four national level teams this year, and all of them got in. Their "bottom" team, UNC, is often in that conversation. This year they beat Duke, lost to UVa twice (each by one goal), split with Syracuse, lost to Hopkins by one, and drubbed MAAC champs Marist. Our fourth team, Brown, can't match that resume, although they had a bunch of close losses to top teams. Princeton is also often in the national conversation, but not this year. Harvard and Dartmouth don't register on the meter. I think this year's ACC is stronger than the Ivies top to bottom, and this is the best Ivy League I can remember. I suspect we'll stay at this level in the future.
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slane
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05-06-19 10:00 PM - Post#284233
In response to LyleGold
Here’s the bottom line: the Big 10 and the ACC are stronger top to bottom than are the Ivies are. Neither the ACC nor the Big 10 have Dartmouth and Harvard equivalent “easy outs†this year. My college roommate (who captained the Penn Tennis team senior year) insists that the selection committee did Penn a favor by giving us potential 2d and 3d round games against teams we have played and that we know we can (can not will) beat. I would also point out that down seeding the Ivies is not new. In 2007 Cornell was undefeated and #1 in both polls but somehow got seeded #4 and faced #1 Duke in the national semi-final (played in Baltimore in front of the largest crowd ever to see a lacrosse game in the U.S. Hopkins vs Delaware was the other semi-final.
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LyleGold
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05-07-19 06:36 AM - Post#284238
In response to slane
They did us no favors. The fact is that we can (not necessarily will) beat anyone in the country, but it's a lot to ask us to beat the defending national champs three times in a row. I'd much rather play someone who might underrate us, but we've already played an extremely tough schedule and are well known by the top teams. A one goal loss at #1 Penn St. led to our current winning streak. Duke beat us in a fluky situation, but we beat them last year, which they won't forget. The one team who may present the biggest question mark is Virginia who steamrolled Notre Dame, holding them scoreless for 3/4 of the ACC final. They look like serious championship contenders right now - along with Penn St. and us.
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rbg
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05-07-19 09:20 AM - Post#284243
In response to LyleGold
Here is an article that has an interview with the selection committee chair (Brown athletic director Jack Hayes). According to the AD, it seems the group did not have much stress in figuring out the bracket.
https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men/selectio...
The last teams to be decided were Hopkins, Syracuse, Maryland and Cornell. Cornell did not have as many Top 20 wins as the other three, did not have a strong a schedule and lost a head-to-head against Syracuse.
The writer gives the committee an "A" grade, although it appears he is mostly focused on the 17 teams that got in and not the actual brackets.
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