omegahouse
Freshman
Posts: 84
Reg: 12-06-04
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10-04-19 09:57 PM - Post#288311
Getting tooled on ESPNU by Dartmouth. Physically outmanned. Painful to watch.
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Silver Maple
Postdoc
Posts: 3783
Loc: Westfield, New Jersey
Reg: 11-23-04
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10-04-19 10:07 PM - Post#288313
In response to omegahouse
The coaches seem to be unable to recruit sufficient talent.
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omegahouse
Freshman
Posts: 84
Reg: 12-06-04
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10-04-19 10:15 PM - Post#288314
In response to Silver Maple
with no disrespect to the players, who played hard, the programme that was the “Big Dog†of the Ivy League for decades, has been reduced to a DIII programme. Thanks, Penn administration. Your Trojan Horse has taken down a once-proud programme. You are doubtless proud of yourselves. Shame.
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Streamers
Professor
Posts: 8381
Loc: NW Philadelphia
Reg: 11-21-04
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10-05-19 08:26 AM - Post#288316
In response to omegahouse
It wasn’t that bad. Two big mistakes early did them in, played them even after that. The defense up front was gassed on that last drive. They have had some injuries as well. Dartmouth is good this year. Penn will be competitive in the Ivies this year.
Longer term, however, I share your concerns about the trend in the program.
Loved the red unis with the Harry Gamble helmets though. Brought back fond memories of Marty Vaughn and Beep Beep Bellizeare.
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omegahouse
Freshman
Posts: 84
Reg: 12-06-04
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 10-05-19 10:40 AM - Post#288317
In response to Streamers
Agree with your analysis, and second your take on the uniforms (which look great). It seems the injury bug might have bitten this team, which is a shame. On the long term front, Penn seems to be a bit less athletic and a bit less hungry than in the past. Or, maybe the other Ivies have just stepped up their games that much. Hope you are spot on about being competitive in the league this year
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32965
Reg: 11-21-04
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10-05-19 02:52 PM - Post#288318
In response to omegahouse
The dropoff in talent at Penn started while Bagnoli was still here. Priori did a very good job coaching them, but teams that Penn used to push all over the field were now doing the same to Penn, with Penn winning at the skills positions. Now, they don't even have that advantage. It's going to eventually require a change of administration, but they will get worse before they get better.
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SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts: 1156
Reg: 07-28-07
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10-05-19 04:42 PM - Post#288320
In response to palestra38
Which administration are you referring to? - Ivies, Admissions, Athletics, Football? Your comment is too cryptic for me.
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32965
Reg: 11-21-04
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10-05-19 05:10 PM - Post#288321
In response to SteveChop
Just football---new coaching staff
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Streamers
Professor
Posts: 8381
Loc: NW Philadelphia
Reg: 11-21-04
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10-05-19 05:43 PM - Post#288322
In response to palestra38
It will take a new President and AD to really change things and that’s not happening anytime soon.
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SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts: 1156
Reg: 07-28-07
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10-05-19 09:47 PM - Post#288326
In response to palestra38
Thanks P38!
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32965
Reg: 11-21-04
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10-06-19 10:13 AM - Post#288328
In response to Streamers
Why? This coach really isn't the AD's person--she inherited the transfer from Bagnoli to his lead assistant. My guess is that if the season heads south, as it is very possibly going to do, a change could be made as soon as this year. It may take two terrible years in a row, though.
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Streamers
Professor
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Loc: NW Philadelphia
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10-06-19 02:41 PM - Post#288335
In response to palestra38
I just don’t get the sense the institutional support for the program is there. I also don’t think Priore is the problem. This team looks well coached. It’s a talent issue and I can’t tell where the fix is for that. Could be the assistants? Could be the admissions office. Just don’t know. Maybe others on the board have a sense of it.
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palestra38
Professor
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Reg: 11-21-04
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10-19-19 06:06 PM - Post#288793
In response to Streamers
The coach is in trouble....or he should be.
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Streamers
Professor
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Loc: NW Philadelphia
Reg: 11-21-04
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10-19-19 09:59 PM - Post#288798
In response to palestra38
There had been nothing in Penn’s season so far, or Columbia’s for that matter, that would foretell a result like this. I did not see the game, but it’s as if the whole team got the flu on the way to NYC.
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32965
Reg: 11-21-04
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10-20-19 06:54 AM - Post#288800
In response to Streamers
Yes there had. Penn had repeatedly been manhandled and looked like an inferior team, albeit with a few good players at offensive talent positions. But we are getting killed in the recruiting game, and when Bagnoli rubs it in to his successor, you can see that it's time for a change.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1907
Reg: 11-29-04
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10-20-19 11:20 AM - Post#288802
In response to palestra38
Bagnoli was a great coach. I don’t really know what happened with him, but he is the one opposing coach who I don’t begrudge a beatdown on Penn. An all time great should never have been able to find a job he preferred in conference. Complete disrespect and bungling by the AD.
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AsiaSunset
Postdoc
Posts: 4371
Reg: 11-21-04
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10-20-19 02:32 PM - Post#288804
In response to Penndemonium
The coaching staff needs to take full responsibility for that abysmal performance although the players on the field were just awful. This team Is just not very good.
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Streamers
Professor
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Loc: NW Philadelphia
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10-20-19 08:40 PM - Post#288816
In response to AsiaSunset
They’re not as bad as they showed yesterday. They’re not very good though, especially up front.
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rbg
Postdoc
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Reg: 10-20-14
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Football
10-20-19 09:04 PM - Post#288818
In response to Streamers
I was at yesterday's game. It was hard to make it through the entire game.
The DP wrote that it was the worst loss ever to Columbia and the worst Ivy loss since 1981.
Columbia deserves a lot of credit for playing a very good game. They have a very good defense, and almost beat Princeton on the road a few weeks ago. They were the first team to shut down Brooks all year.
The effort from coaches and players was not there from the very first play. I agree they are not as bad as yesterday's game, but they do seem to be the 6th best team in the Ivy League and it's hard to see them competing for a title in near future.
After basketball hit rock bottom a few years ago, it was a pretty easy decision for the AD to make a change. Removing Priore, a coach with a good reputation and long history of success at Penn, would be a much more difficult decision.
Edited by rbg on 10-20-19 09:09 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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UPIA1968
PhD Student
Posts: 1122
Loc: Cornwall, PA
Reg: 11-20-06
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Re: Not as bad?
10-20-19 11:14 PM - Post#288824
In response to Streamers
Bad teams look like Penn did Saturday on their bad days; they get blown way out. They lose convincingly on their normal days. On their good days they are 'just a few plays short". The result is still 1-6 or 0-7. Unless Columbia is suddenly elite, that is the result we should expect.
Last year the program was uncompetitive against the good teams. This year they are simply a bottom dweller.
As to removing the coach. He won only with Bagnoli's players. And - good coaches do not preside over the kind of blowout we saw Saturday. He will need a significant turnaround to keep his job.
Saturday's game reminds me of the bad old days in the Sixties. I can remember some very bad blowout losses against Princeton.
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