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umbrellaman Masters Student Posts 476 
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04-10-11 09:50 PM - Post#103843
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/04/09/2159182/um -c... Names that have emerged are University of Alabama-Birmingham’s Mike Davis, Auburn’s Tony Barbee, Murray State’s Billy Kennedy, Harvard’s Tommy Amaker, Richmond’s Chris Mooney, and Jeff Capel and John Pelphrey, both of whom were recently fired, Capel by Oklahoma and Pelphrey by Arkansas. |
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cornellfan4 Masters Student Posts 543 |
04-10-11 10:04 PM - Post#103847
This would probably be even more surprising than Johnson leaving, Amaker seems to really like Harvard, has a good shot to win the league next year, why go to Miami where you have little chance for success Also didnt Mooney just sign a 10 year contract, that would be a big buyout |
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umbrellaman Masters Student Posts 476
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04-10-11 10:37 PM - Post#103848
The article did acknowledge the buyout problem with Mooney. Doesn't make sense for Amaker, because if next year goes the way everyone thinks it will, he probably can do better. But ACC money, Miami winters...maybe he takes his talents to South Beach? |
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pchrystie Masters Student Posts 673 |
04-11-11 06:48 AM - Post#103853
why go to Miami where you have little chance for success Because it is ACC money and NO expectations. Unlike Seton Hall and Michigan, there are no memories of championships and Final Fours, no matter how distant. Michigan expected to win the Big Ten; Miami would cut down the nets if they finished fourth in the ACC. And given the recent mediocrity of the ACC, Amaker can probably recruit well enough to finish fourth or fifth. As an added bonus, given Harvard's recent admissions "adjustments," he can continue to recruit the same players. By the way, with the exception of Mooney and the Murray State guy, what a motley group of BCS failures. |
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cornellfan4 Masters Student Posts 543 |
04-11-11 07:58 AM - Post#103855
Yeah but why jump for the ACC money when you could get a better job in a few years if Harvard has all the success they are supposed to have especially when you have another good recruiting class coming in. Plus Amaker made the BCS money before unlike the other coaches who have left in the past few years |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
04-11-11 09:20 AM - Post#103859
Names that have emerged are University of Alabama-Birmingham’s Mike Davis, Auburn’s Tony Barbee, Murray State’s Billy Kennedy, Harvard’s Tommy Amaker, Richmond’s Chris Mooney, and Jeff Capel and John Pelphrey, both of whom were recently fired, Capel by Oklahoma and Pelphrey by Arkansas. Keep in mind that this is Miami's wish list, not a list of candidates that they're actively interviewing. In other words, for some of the guys on this list, there's no reason to believe that the interest is mutual. |
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Southbridge Street Freshman Posts 50 |
04-11-11 10:43 AM - Post#103863
With Amaker, you also have to find a job for his wife, which Michigan did, and Harvard did as well (with a Harvard Medical School teaching hospital). |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3782 |
04-11-11 11:31 AM - Post#103868
Boy-- I can really see this one both ways. On one hand, Amaker almost certainly has not accomplished everything he can in Cambridge, and could potentially make himself much more attractive over the next couple of years. He is also, by all accounts, personally happy where he is, and the situation also seems to work very well for his wife. OTOH, opportunities to jump from the Ivies directly to a big-time job are very difficult to come by, particularly for somewhat damaged goods like Amaker. And, as Paul has pointed out, the Miami job is a particularly appealing one in that it carries very low expectations and no institutional expectation for (and history of), success (much like Harvard and unlike Seton Hall and Michigan). Also, while it's likely that Amaker's stock could rise over the next couple of seasons, there's no guarantee, particularly after Penn unexpectedly beats Harvard for the title next year. Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision. |
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cornellfan4 Masters Student Posts 543 |
04-11-11 11:40 AM - Post#103871
Yeah but even if Harvard doesnt meet expectations over the next few years Harvard still probably wont fire him, Miami even with no expectations would probably still get rid of him if he couldnt make NCAA tournaments |
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 4008 |
04-11-11 01:50 PM - Post#103881
Um, let's see.... 5 years at Harvard at $?.00 per year, or 5 years at Miami at $1,000,000 + per year? U. of Miami has a very good Med-School/Hospital. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 
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04-11-11 01:57 PM - Post#103882
Yeah but even if Harvard doesnt meet expectations over the next few years Harvard still probably wont fire him, Miami even with no expectations would probably still get rid of him if he couldnt make NCAA tournaments Get rid of him when? Haith was there for 7 years with 1 NCAA appearance, 4 NITs, and a .384 record in the ACC. In seven seasons his best ACC record was 8-8 (only once!). Despite that, he still wasn't going to get fired. He proactively chose to leave for another job. Amaker seems like a real longshot because he has a loaded team, seems to be happy, etc. but I understand why Miami would want to speak with him. If they could actually land a quality recruiter, they have a lot to sell. 5-6 years ago they built a nice on campus stadium, the campus in general is nice, and oh yeah, it's in Miami. Florida has a ton of basketball talent and Miami is a much better place to be than Gainesville or Tallahassee. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
04-11-11 02:05 PM - Post#103883
If he didn't mind annoying other Dukies by joining the ACC, I could see him taking this job. As others have pointed out, it's a major conference job with next to no expectations, an excellent recruiting climate and a likely pay boost. On the other hand, Frank Martin has now taken to openly begging for the job and if he wants it that badly, I can't imagine Miami not giving it to him, unless they really don't want to pay. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2280 
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04-11-11 02:06 PM - Post#103884
Just FYI, she doesn't need to be affiliated with a medical school. At Michigan, according to her bio, she was "Associate Dean of Students" and was responsible for "campus wide counseling, psychiatric services, and incident management". At Harvard, she found a position at a psychiatic hospital as director of the College Mental Health Program. So she has skills that could be used at any major college (even Princeton  )
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Red Blue Crew Freshman Posts 55 |
04-11-11 03:39 PM - Post#103891
Amaker's officially interviewing with Miami http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=633 0878 |
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Buckeye Quake PhD Student Posts 1601 |
04-11-11 03:45 PM - Post#103892
Or if Martin's act isn't what they're looking for. That psycho coach stuff doesn't play everywhere. It tends to get old real quick when you're not winning. Even if he is a hometown boy |
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cornellfan4 Masters Student Posts 543 |
04-11-11 03:54 PM - Post#103896
"Everyone's reporting that my salary is $1.55 million [annually]. Actually, my salary is $1.1 million," he said. "Now, I'm an old high school teacher who was making 32 grand when I moved to Boston, and I'm extremely grateful and thankful for the salary I make right now. "If I stayed the length of the [five-year] contract and I collect every bonus on the contract, it will average out to $1.55. And you know what? There is a chance that the University of Miami never called because they think I make $1.5," he said. "There's a chance just because it was released at $1.55 the University of Miami said, 'We can't call him. Why waste our time? We can't pay him.' " http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=632 988... Thats funny, has to make K St feel a bit awkward |
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 4008 |
04-11-11 03:54 PM - Post#103897
I'm sure Penn and Yale fans are pleased to learn that Princeton is Harvard's main rival. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
04-11-11 03:56 PM - Post#103898
Yeah, after I posted that caveat occurred to me. KState did see two players quit this year. |
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cornellfan4 Masters Student Posts 543 |
04-11-11 04:00 PM - Post#103899
Or if Martin's act isn't what they're looking for. That psycho coach stuff doesn't play everywhere. It tends to get old real quick when you're not winning. Even if he is a hometown boy Yeah but as was said before Miami doesnt care about basketball so with Martin at least they would probably be winning or if they arent they can just pretend there is no basketball team like they do now |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3782 |
04-11-11 04:09 PM - Post#103900
That's a valid point. Joe Scott was probably able to get away with his lunatic act at Air Force in part because nobody cared about that team either (also, it's Air Force-- abuse is part of the culture). This all brings up an interesting question. I suspect that most believe that Princeton's long-term prospects for continued basketball success can survive the loss of a coach. Can the same be said for Harvard? Amaker is nurturing a new-born child up there. His departure could be very damaging. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2280
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04-11-11 04:29 PM - Post#103902
I for one would hate to see him go, even if it reduced our comptetion. It has been good for the league as a whole. I would prefer to see the other Ivy programs "kick it up a notch". |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
04-11-11 04:29 PM - Post#103903
I'd be afraid that Amaker's replacement might actually know what to do with all that talent. |
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cornellfan4 Masters Student Posts 543 |
04-11-11 04:34 PM - Post#103904
If Amaker left have to wonder if Smith/Saunders end up at Penn? |
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Albert08 Masters Student Posts 574 |
04-11-11 04:38 PM - Post#103905
That assumes all that talent stays, at Harvard or stays committed. As I mentioned on the Princeton board, I was pondering how these (or future) Amaker recruits would react if and when he actually does leave, because some of them will have turned down offers at decent D-I schools elsewhere to join the Harvard Experiment. I've got to think there would be some attrition. |
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cornellfan4 Masters Student Posts 543 |
04-11-11 04:43 PM - Post#103908
http://twitter.com/CBBRumorCentral/statu s/57537752... Tommy Amaker the front-runner at Miami; if the Harvard coach passes, who does Miami target next? http://es.pn/hlBoGy |
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Buckeye Quake PhD Student Posts 1601 |
04-11-11 04:51 PM - Post#103910
I'm trying to recall if there's ever been an Ivy coach who was offered a job in a major conference and turned it down? This could be historic. |
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Dial Lodge Sophomore Posts 170 |
04-11-11 06:31 PM - Post#103913
Hard to tell how significant Amaker's wife's position is at McLean House. It's not a common title in a psych hospital. McLean House is prestigious, however, and if she is into research, it is a big step up from her position at Michigan. Some may wonder if Harvard created a job for her (Michigan may very well have done so), but they don't own McLean House. A lot of Amaker's decision about moving may come down to his wife's priorities. What kind of job can she get in Miami? I wonder why Miami's people are very publicly coming to Amaker, rather than him flying down there. How interested is he? |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1352 
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04-11-11 06:57 PM - Post#103915
Interested enough to (apparently) meet with them and hear their offer. "sources at Miami and Harvard said that Amaker was considering what he felt was a serious offer to become the Canes' next coach" http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/extra s/colle... |
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cornellfan4 Masters Student Posts 543 |
04-11-11 07:14 PM - Post#103918
Interesting that Amaker is at least half interested in this job while he didnt seem to be too interested in BC or Georgia Tech, I guess he just wants a job with no expectations? |
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Southbridge Street Freshman Posts 50 |
04-11-11 07:58 PM - Post#103922
Its not McLean house, its McLean hospital, and ranked among the top psychiatric hospitals in the country. http://www.mclean.harvard.edu/about/bios/detail.ph... |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1352
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04-11-11 10:04 PM - Post#103927
Its not McLean house, its McLean hospital, and ranked among the top psychiatric hospitals in the country. http://www.mclean.harvard.edu/about/bios/detail.ph... MacLean House is the (former) official residence of the president of Princeton. Although, I admit there have been times recently when a skeptical alum or two might have been confused with its apparent Harvard namesake. |
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penn62 PhD Student Posts 1053 |
04-11-11 10:43 PM - Post#103928
The only chance for another Ivy team to win the league next year is if Amaker stays. |
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Dial Lodge Sophomore Posts 170 |
04-11-11 11:14 PM - Post#103929
Does that mean no one wins next year? An 8-team tie? |
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Penn94 PhD Student Posts 1461 |
04-12-11 11:08 AM - Post#103944
I'm trying to recall if there's ever been an Ivy coach who was offered a job in a major conference and turned it down? This could be historic. PP, didn't Dunphy turn down Seton Hall in the late 90s? |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
04-12-11 11:15 AM - Post#103945
I gotta think Carril had some offers... |
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Buckeye Quake PhD Student Posts 1601 |
04-12-11 11:36 AM - Post#103951
Good one. I remember the flirtation but I don't recall an actual offer being made. Gonna have to do some digging on that one. Where are you Howard or Stu? |
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penn62 PhD Student Posts 1053 |
04-14-11 12:24 PM - Post#104173
Could have afforded some new suits. |
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 4008 |
04-14-11 04:06 PM - Post#104196
I'm sure a Country Club membership would have been included. |
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cornellfan4 Masters Student Posts 543 |
04-21-11 07:27 PM - Post#104540
Interesting that Jim Larranaga is now in the mix at Miami, maybe he is looking for one final pay day before he retires but why would he want the additional stress to rebuild a bottom feeder ACC school when he is making really good money, $525K, at Mason where he will retire as a legend |
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westphillywarrior Sophomore Posts 196 |
04-21-11 08:53 PM - Post#104547
All have dreams. None are earning enough. |
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Albert08 Masters Student Posts 574 |
04-22-11 02:32 PM - Post#104601
He is taking his talents to South Beach: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=640 945... Never enough money. |
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cornellfan4 Masters Student Posts 543 |
04-22-11 03:21 PM - Post#104606
http://georgemasonbasketb all.blogspot.com/2011/04/... http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/jim-larranaga... Amaker's name seems to be popping up again but has to be just speculation, whatever Amaker can do at Harvard he can do at Mason. Some media is already speculating that Courtney could be a candidate as he recruited their final 4 team and is still very interested in the team as he went to their NCAA games in Cleveland this year. I sure hope they dont hire Courtney, that would really hurt Cornell |
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Albert08 Masters Student Posts 574 |
04-22-11 03:29 PM - Post#104607
For what it's worth, George Mason University is situated in Tommy Amaker's home town, Fairfax, Virginia. |
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cornellfan4 Masters Student Posts 543 |
04-22-11 03:34 PM - Post#104608
Yeah I read that but would that really be enough? I dont think they will hire Courtney, maybe in a few years if he is successful here, they could probably get a more experienced head coach |
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Southbridge Street Freshman Posts 50 |
04-22-11 03:39 PM - Post#104609
George Mason has no medical school. End of conversation. |
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cornellfan4 Masters Student Posts 543 |
04-22-11 03:49 PM - Post#104611
Yeah but there are some in the area, Georgetown? |
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Southbridge Street Freshman Posts 50 |
04-23-11 12:05 PM - Post#104686
There are three in the area, but I doubt Howard, or George Washington, or Georgetown will give a faculty position to Mrs. Amaker as part of a package that brings her husband to GMU. |
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cornellfan4 Masters Student Posts 543 |
04-23-11 12:32 PM - Post#104691
She would have to apply there like everyone else does, but it doesnt matter Amaker isnt going there, there are probably more expectations there than Miami |
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Southbridge Street Freshman Posts 50 |
04-23-11 01:33 PM - Post#104701
The deal at Harvard is that she is a member of the Harvard Medical School faculty, and runs a program at McLean Hospital, a Harvard teaching hospital. The University of Miami has a medical school, and its own set of teaching hospitals. The expectation (of uncertain weight) is that Amaker will only coach at another school where his wife can get a position similar to what she had at U Michigan and/or Harvard. |
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