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BisonRoadWarrior
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03-03-12 11:51 PM - Post#123735    

Only 11 seats (all singles) still available! I guess more may come available if Lehigh turns any back in. They're on break all this week.
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MrPhillie
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03-04-12 12:15 AM - Post#123737    

The semi with Lafayette was a good crowd and the students did a decent job as well. Looks like it will be a packed house on Wednesday and I hope the roof comes off the place as the Bison are putting a beatdown on the 'Hawks (okay, wishful thinking on the beatdown part).

Speaking of the championship game, this may have been covered previously, but I'm wondering what people think about the Wednesday night championship game. I kind of liked the Friday @ 4:00 thing 'cause there was not much else going on at that time and more eyes were potentially on the PL. But I also like the evening aspect of Wednesday. One thing I will miss is the ESPN showing, simply b/c we do not get CBS Sports Network and I'd like to TiVo it. Just curious what the consensus is on this topic.
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03-04-12 01:20 AM - Post#123756    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Only 11 seats (all singles) still available! I guess more may come available if Lehigh turns any back in. They're on break all this week.




I am wondering what Lehigh is doing. They took their full allocation of 1333 seats, knowing full well they won't sell more than 150 tops. (Even if students were on campus I doubt they could sell 200.) I wonder if LU or a booster is planning to purchase all of their unsold tickets and have 1000 vacant seats simply to limit the Bucknell crowd.

Compare this to Lafayette - who travels far better than LU. They did not opt to take anywhere near 1333 seats even though they have a MUCH stronger fanbase. As it turned out, they sent most of the tickets back.
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BUFan
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03-04-12 11:14 AM - Post#123797    

Lehigh barely drew 1333 to Stabler yesterday. It is laughable to think that they will be able to sell all of those to Lehigh fans, and if a booster ever bought them to let them go to waste, it would be an absolute embarrassment to the league and the PL would have to immediately intervene and let Bucknell sell extra "standing room only" tickets.

The Lehigh athletics website's article about the American game says Lehigh's tickets for the final will go on sale at 7 pm "tonight" (which was last night) and gave a link to buy tickets online. However, as of this morning, it does not look like their tickets are on sale. Since there is no way they can sell 1333, I doubt there will be a requirement to have a Lehigh ID, so I would suggest Bison fans without tickets buy through the Lehigh website when available.

On a random note, why the hell does the description for the Lehigh basketball message board say, "Humiliating Kansas in the NCAA tournament once wasn’t enough. This time, we need to do it again."? Am I missing something? Didn't Kansas beat them by double digits? Did the genius who created that board get Bucknell and Lehigh confused?
BUFan
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03-04-12 11:27 AM - Post#123802    

From the Lehigh website:

Men's Basketball Patriot League Championship Game tickets are on sale now. Fans need a Promotional Access Code to purchase. To purchase, enter the password/Promo Access Code in the box at the top of this page. The Code was distributed at Saturday's Semifinal game, emailed to ticket customers and Lehigh alumni and students. If fans need the Code, please email rch3@lehigh.edu
Fans are recommended to purchase tickets ASAP, as this game will sell out in advance.

So, it looks like Lehigh is going to protect their tickets by requiring a promo code to purchase. I guess Bison fans could try e-mailing that e-mail address to get the promo code...Or find a Lehigh alum or student willing to share the code

Bucknell's allotment is now sold out, and any returned tickets from Lehigh will go on sale Wednesday.
joeyorr4
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03-04-12 11:32 AM - Post#123806    

Can't wait for this game! Let's go Bison!
Bison137
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03-04-12 11:35 AM - Post#123811    

  • BUFan Said:
On a random note, why the hell does the description for the Lehigh basketball message board say, "Humiliating Kansas in the NCAA tournament once wasn’t enough. This time, we need to do it again."? Am I missing something? Didn't Kansas beat them by double digits? Did the genius who created that board get Bucknell and Lehigh confused?




Yes, Kansas beat by about 17 points. Apparently someone thinks that letting LU hang with them for awhile must have been "humiliating" to Kansas. Maybe it was. However I think Kansas has likely suffered worse humiliation from a PL team.
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bison63
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03-04-12 12:56 PM - Post#123842    

Two games so far between these two teams, and both were out and out wars. Last year, I did not think anybody could beat us in the PL tourney, but this year an LU win could not rightly be called an upset.

I am still concerned about our relatively cold shooting early in games, but have been impressed by the team's approach to the first two tournament games. Neither of those two opponents had any right to even THINK about beating us, and we made sure that they did not get any ideas about doing so once the game started. This game, if it is anything like the two that preceded will be a tough, close defensive battle throughout and the team that is toughest mentally will win. Usually that has been us, but not so last time when we definitely let victory slip away.

This will be a good one. There has not been a PL Championship game that looked as good as this on paper since the BU/ HC wars in '05 and '07.
Shot Clock
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03-04-12 01:27 PM - Post#123851    

  • MrPhillie Said:
The semi with Lafayette was a good crowd and the students did a decent job as well. Looks like it will be a packed house on Wednesday and I hope the roof comes off the place as the Bison are putting a beatdown on the 'Hawks (okay, wishful thinking on the beatdown part).

Speaking of the championship game, this may have been covered previously, but I'm wondering what people think about the Wednesday night championship game. I kind of liked the Friday @ 4:00 thing 'cause there was not much else going on at that time and more eyes were potentially on the PL. But I also like the evening aspect of Wednesday. One thing I will miss is the ESPN showing, simply b/c we do not get CBS Sports Network and I'd like to TiVo it. Just curious what the consensus is on this topic.




I'm not crazy about it. It looks like a more attractive time, but I think it's going to get lost what with the Big East 2nd round on ESPN and the NEC championship on ESPN2. That's where people look for championship week games, so I think it hurts PL exposure. Also, I would bet most everyone has ESPN2 on their system while CBSSN coverage is spotty (it's in a sportspack on numerous systems like Comcast). I also think the ESPN announcers are generally better (definitely better than Vince Curran).

Plus I genuinely loved that Friday happy hour slot. It was pretty much the only game going on at the time. Plus it was always the only title game on Friday of championship week.

The only positive is that we don't have to worry about a runover from the ACC tourney game.
B.A. Bucknell University, 1993

BisonRoadWarrior
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03-04-12 03:07 PM - Post#123884    

  • Shot Clock Said:
I also think the ESPN announcers are generally better (definitely better than Vince Curran).

Alaa Abdelnaby is doing the PL championship. In yesterday's postgame, he said "They're flying me to Lewisburg." I chuckled, thinking, "No, you'll probably fly to Harrisburg and then drive north for an hour."
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Bison137
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03-04-12 03:29 PM - Post#123891    

Speaking of announcers, since I was at the game I didn't hear how the CBS team did yesterday. Any comments?
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norcalfan
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03-04-12 05:10 PM - Post#123921    

  • BUFan Said:
Lehigh barely drew 1333 to Stabler yesterday. It is laughable to think that they will be able to sell all of those to Lehigh fans, and if a booster ever bought them to let them go to waste, it would be an absolute embarrassment to the league and the PL would have to immediately intervene and let Bucknell sell extra "standing room only" tickets.

The Lehigh athletics website's article about the American game says Lehigh's tickets for the final will go on sale at 7 pm "tonight" (which was last night) and gave a link to buy tickets online. However, as of this morning, it does not look like their tickets are on sale. Since there is no way they can sell 1333, I doubt there will be a requirement to have a Lehigh ID, so I would suggest Bison fans without tickets buy through the Lehigh website when available.

On a random note, why the hell does the description for the Lehigh basketball message board say, "Humiliating Kansas in the NCAA tournament once wasn’t enough. This time, we need to do it again."? Am I missing something? Didn't Kansas beat them by double digits? Did the genius who created that board get Bucknell and Lehigh confused?



Spring Break!
Bison137
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03-04-12 07:10 PM - Post#123954    

  • norcalfan Said:
  • BUFan Said:
Lehigh barely drew 1333 to Stabler yesterday. It is laughable to think that they will be able to sell all of those to Lehigh fans, and if a booster ever bought them to let them go to waste, it would be an absolute embarrassment to the league and the PL would have to immediately intervene and let Bucknell sell extra "standing room only" tickets.

The Lehigh athletics website's article about the American game says Lehigh's tickets for the final will go on sale at 7 pm "tonight" (which was last night) and gave a link to buy tickets online. However, as of this morning, it does not look like their tickets are on sale. Since there is no way they can sell 1333, I doubt there will be a requirement to have a Lehigh ID, so I would suggest Bison fans without tickets buy through the Lehigh website when available.

On a random note, why the hell does the description for the Lehigh basketball message board say, "Humiliating Kansas in the NCAA tournament once wasn’t enough. This time, we need to do it again."? Am I missing something? Didn't Kansas beat them by double digits? Did the genius who created that board get Bucknell and Lehigh confused?



Spring Break!




Spring Break doesn't affect Lehigh attendance much, since few students attend most games. Based on attendance, you might think Spring Break lasts from November 15th to March 15th.
2012-13 Attendance: 19 games and 8,354 miles driven.



res
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03-04-12 07:20 PM - Post#123955    

  • BUFan Said:


So, it looks like Lehigh is going to protect their tickets by requiring a promo code to purchase. I guess Bison fans could try e-mailing that e-mail address to get the promo code...Or find a Lehigh alum or student willing to share the code



I have a good friend who is not only a Lehigh alum but a Lehigh professor. Not only that, he is a rational human being. I don't know how many he can score, but I will contact him if anyone is interested.

MouserDZ
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03-04-12 07:33 PM - Post#123958    

Lehigh is returning 500 tickets
http://www.bucknellbison.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec- ...

Bison137
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03-04-12 07:56 PM - Post#123965    

Good news. If LU returns all unsold tickets, there will be a lot more coming back.

Looks like the above link is dead. Here's a working one: http://www.bucknellbison.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec- ...


The question still is in my mind as to why LU took 1333 tickets, when everyone knew they couldn't sell more than about 200. I assume this early return indicates that ticket sales on their site were very slow.
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BUFan
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03-04-12 08:06 PM - Post#123968    

Now, I'll give Lehigh credit for the way they've handled ticket sales so far. I can't fault them for initially taking all the tickets in the event there was a miraculously high demand. Once they saw demand was low after a day or two, kudos to them for returning a bunch so Bucknell doesn't have to scramble to sell them Wednesday morning. I suspect they will return some more over the next two days if they aren't selling.

I'm sure Lehigh realizes that Wednesday's is the league's biggest showcase of the year, so playing in front of a full arena is good for the whole league.
norcalfan
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03-04-12 08:19 PM - Post#123973    

  • Bison137 Said:
  • norcalfan Said:
  • BUFan Said:
Lehigh barely drew 1333 to Stabler yesterday. It is laughable to think that they will be able to sell all of those to Lehigh fans, and if a booster ever bought them to let them go to waste, it would be an absolute embarrassment to the league and the PL would have to immediately intervene and let Bucknell sell extra "standing room only" tickets.

The Lehigh athletics website's article about the American game says Lehigh's tickets for the final will go on sale at 7 pm "tonight" (which was last night) and gave a link to buy tickets online. However, as of this morning, it does not look like their tickets are on sale. Since there is no way they can sell 1333, I doubt there will be a requirement to have a Lehigh ID, so I would suggest Bison fans without tickets buy through the Lehigh website when available.

On a random note, why the hell does the description for the Lehigh basketball message board say, "Humiliating Kansas in the NCAA tournament once wasn’t enough. This time, we need to do it again."? Am I missing something? Didn't Kansas beat them by double digits? Did the genius who created that board get Bucknell and Lehigh confused?



Spring Break!




Spring Break doesn't affect Lehigh attendance much, since few students attend most games. Based on attendance, you might think Spring Break lasts from November 15th to March 15th.



Bison, it seems that you take any opportunity to take a shot at LU. I went back and reviewed attendance comments from you. LU does not have great attendance as I have complained too, but seems you enjoy the extra stab. Great that BU has great fan base. Good for you. I wish LU had a great one too. Just my opinion of course.


Bison137
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03-04-12 09:21 PM - Post#123989    

Sorry, I thought I was just responding to your comment about Spring Break being responsible for the poor attendance. But I realize that sometimes the truth hurts.

I do think it's a bit emabarassing that LU has had so many good players (Rowland, Olivero, Hall, Carrington, McCollum) in recent years - and a number of good teams - and yet its student body (which is much larger than that of Bucknell) doesn't support the team at all. I realize that Stabler is off-campus, but they still should draw better than that. It can't make the players happy. And it would certainly be better for the league if LU had some sort of student or community support.
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norcalfan
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03-04-12 10:29 PM - Post#124009    

I am not hurt, just sad for the players. In my rush to answer the question, I was not clear. I was simply saying that it is Spring Break and therefore less students will attend because there are none.

Yes, LU had and has great players, but for whatever reason, no one in the LU community is interested. Honestly, I was surprised that they had over 1000 in attendance at this game. Lack of attendance must make it hard to play hard. So far they have done well with no fan support. I can only imagine how much better they would play if they had the attendance of BU. Many of their players come from a rather large high school support base.
norcalfan
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03-04-12 10:31 PM - Post#124010    

See previous message
Bucknell73
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03-04-12 10:40 PM - Post#124014    

It's still difficult for me to imagine being s student and lining up for tickets! I just remember walking down to Davis and just walking in for General Admission, even during my frosh year, just to see Jim Wherry and Vic Cegles play. Of course, there wasn't as much at stake in the old Middle Atlantic/ East Coast Conference.

Speaking of Cegles (now AD at Long Beach State), LBS saw its long Conference win streak end this weekend by a defeat by Cal State Fullerton. Now, they face more pressure to win out their tourney.
Bison54
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03-04-12 11:03 PM - Post#124019    

  • norcalfan Said:
I am not hurt, just sad for the players. In my rush to answer the question, I was not clear. I was simply saying that it is Spring Break and therefore less students will attend because there are none.

Yes, LU had and has great players, but for whatever reason, no one in the LU community is interested. Honestly, I was surprised that they had over 1000 in attendance at this game. Lack of attendance must make it hard to play hard. So far they have done well with no fan support. I can only imagine how much better they would play if they had the attendance of BU. Many of their players come from a rather large high school support base.


I live near Lehigh/Lafayette and get a local paper (Express Times) High school sports, especially wrestling but also HS hoops dominate at this time of year. Usually, LU and LC appear somewhere inside the sports section. Today, they were on the front page (bottom half)which is quite rare. No wonder no one goes to Stabler. LC draws a little better because students and locals can walk. But HS sports rule the Lehigh Valley.

norcalfan
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03-05-12 12:04 AM - Post#124026    

  • Bison54 Said:
  • norcalfan Said:
I am not hurt, just sad for the players. In my rush to answer the question, I was not clear. I was simply saying that it is Spring Break and therefore less students will attend because there are none.

Yes, LU had and has great players, but for whatever reason, no one in the LU community is interested. Honestly, I was surprised that they had over 1000 in attendance at this game. Lack of attendance must make it hard to play hard. So far they have done well with no fan support. I can only imagine how much better they would play if they had the attendance of BU. Many of their players come from a rather large high school support base.


I live near Lehigh/Lafayette and get a local paper (Express Times) High school sports, especially wrestling but also HS hoops dominate at this time of year. Usually, LU and LC appear somewhere inside the sports section. Today, they were on the front page (bottom half)which is quite rare. No wonder no one goes to Stabler. LC draws a little better because students and locals can walk. But HS sports rule the Lehigh Valley.



Thank goodness they enjoyed high school at least. Thanks for the explanation since I am from the left coast. It still bewilders me that with little fan support, LU could land a CJ!
sader87
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03-05-12 12:40 AM - Post#124029    

Basically, the only school/community that really cares about PL basketball is Bucknell's.

HC cared for a bit during the Willard years but couldn't care less about PL basketball now.
norcalfan
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03-05-12 12:57 AM - Post#124030    

  • sader87 Said:
Basically, the only school/community that really cares about PL basketball is Bucknell's.

HC cared for a bit during the Willard years but couldn't care less about PL basketball now.


Yes it appears so. The one good and I guess most important is that the PL schools offer the young men and women a free and excellent education. At the end of the day, that's what helps them to become productive citizens. The few fans that do support the other schools will continue and BU can continue their proud tradition. Good for BU, sad for the other PL schools. It will be interesting to see how many kids are recruited from different regions over the next few years. Now that I am dialed into the PL, it will be a nice stat to watch.
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03-05-12 09:02 AM - Post#124039    

I know each school has its supporters academically, but the truth is, each school in the PL offers an excellent education. Some are thought of a bit more highly, but it is hard to go wrong with any of these schools. That said, I would think the amount of support for a team is a definite consideration when prospective players are choosing where to go. It may not be a major reason, but it certainly could be the tipping point for a player considering several schools. Factor in facilities, administration support, and recent successes, and Bucknell becomes probably the most desirable choice. With a decent coaching staff, the Bison should always be challenging for the PL title.
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03-05-12 01:26 PM - Post#124102    

Nice Daily Item article by Bill Bowman, looking ahead to the highly-anticipated Lehigh-Bucknell finale.
http://dailyitem.com/0200_sports/x11251059 02/Mens-...
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03-05-12 01:29 PM - Post#124103    

  • MouserDZ Said:
And four hours after they went on sale, only 2 remain. Oops..in the time it took me to write that, make it ONE remaining.
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Bison137
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03-05-12 01:39 PM - Post#124106    

Now sold out (again) - at least for the moment. LU will not sell the allocation they still have, however, so there may be more available Wednesday.

I have access to some tickets. If anyone still needs to purchase some, send me a PM. (Click on my user-name and then click on "start a private topic".)
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raymondbucknell
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03-05-12 05:09 PM - Post#124173    

Gee, I wonder if Housenick will pick Lehigh to win.....?
BisonRoadWarrior
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03-05-12 05:20 PM - Post#124180    

Sagarin ranks Lehigh #97 and Bucknell #105...with home court, however, it indicates the Bison are a 2.9-point favorite.

Neither realtimerpi nor rpiforecast have a prediction for this game. Does anyone know KenPom's?
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03-05-12 05:36 PM - Post#124193    

Pomeroy has BU as a 3 point favorite - slightly less than the value of the home court.
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bison63
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03-05-12 07:11 PM - Post#124241    

This game is an out and out tossup. You do not have to be crazy or an LU advocate to pick LU to win. If we show up with anything other than our best, LU will win.

I am not sure which team is the more highly motivated, but that will be key as well. You know last year's Super Bowl Champ always says they are no less motivated this year, but somehow more often than not they do not repeat. This is not the same thing, but sometimes the motivation created by just getting aced out one year can exceed the motivation of just wanting to get back.

It all comes down to what DP said in the postgame on Saturday. The Bison have to actively, aggressively make it happen, they can't sit back waiting for it to happen. If we are the aggressor, we should be ok. Slow start could be fatal.
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03-05-12 07:56 PM - Post#124253    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Sagarin ranks Lehigh #97 and Bucknell #105...with home court, however, it indicates the Bison are a 2.9-point favorite.

Neither realtimerpi nor rpiforecast have a prediction for this game. Does anyone know KenPom's?


While rpiforecast does not have a score prediction, it does list BU as 59.94% chance to get the auto bid and LU as 40.04% chance. At this point I am very happy with anything over 50-50 which is where I am leaning when looking at this game.
Ray Bucknell!

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03-05-12 10:11 PM - Post#124296    

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/cb-gOwL4wmrLFN7 gVaAV...

Paulsen interview re PL championsip game
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03-05-12 10:39 PM - Post#124320    

I remember many days back in the late 80's and early 90's where Davis Gym, that sat 2200, was more than half empty for competitive league games.

I think interest and passion are somewhat cyclical.

That said, if Colgate wins the PL Championship, and there is no one there to see, does anyone make a sound?
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03-05-12 11:01 PM - Post#124327    

  • bison63 Said:
sometimes the motivation created by just getting aced out one year can exceed the motivation of just wanting to get back.

True...and in the American-Lafayette broadcast, they quoted McCollum as saying that the loss in last year's semifinal was fueling him all season long.
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bison63
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03-06-12 08:28 AM - Post#124388    

Watched 4 championship games last night, and every one went down to the wire, 2 went to OT, and 1 to double ot. No reason not to expect a similar game on Wednesday night.

Go get it Bison, no sitting back on your heels!
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03-06-12 10:01 AM - Post#124407    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
  • bison63 Said:
sometimes the motivation created by just getting aced out one year can exceed the motivation of just wanting to get back.

True...and in the American-Lafayette broadcast, they quoted McCollum as saying that the loss in last year's semifinal was fueling him all season long.



I saw McCollum say "one more" to one of the Lehigh players who was subbed out near the end of the game. I know Lehigh is motivated and has arguably the best player this league has seen in some time, but we'll have a lot to say about what happens tomorrow.

I agree that this game is a toss up, but if we play the kind of defense we did against Lafayette then I can't see us not winning this game. That's a big "if," of course, but I think we're in a really good offensive rhythm and will do our job on that end of the floor. Defense will be the thing that will determine the champion.

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03-06-12 11:39 AM - Post#124438    

  • HuskyColonial Said:
I remember many days back in the late 80's and early 90's where Davis Gym, that sat 2200, was more than half empty for competitive league games.

I think interest and passion are somewhat cyclical.







Bucknell's average attendance for that era:

1987: 1541
1988: 1599
1989: 1718
1990: 1803
1991: 1920
1992: 2213
1993: 2159

Considering that the population of all of Union County is only about 40,000 and that the BU student body in that era was maybe 3000, those aren't terrible figures. During that era, iirc, BU started getting better community support. Can anyone remember when BU first added chairbacks, albeit a small number, to Davis?


Speaking of community support, one thing that has puzzled me, and a number of dedicated Lehigh fans as well, is why LU's attendance is never good, even when they have great teams. For example, in 2010 they had a champion team that featured CJ McCollum, Marquis Hall, and Zahir Carrington. Average official attendance for the year was about 1200. Real attendance closer to 800 - despite being located in the center of a metro area of about 800,000 people and having a relatively large student body.
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Shot Clock
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03-06-12 12:30 PM - Post#124465    

  • HuskyColonial Said:
I remember many days back in the late 80's and early 90's where Davis Gym, that sat 2200, was more than half empty for competitive league games.

I think interest and passion are somewhat cyclical.




Are you thinking of games taking place in January? Because remember during that time, there was "Jan Plan" where much of the student body wasn't on campus.

As I remember it, Davis was always packed - SRO - for conference games that took place after Jan Plan. I remember the fire marshall starting to enforce the fire codes between my junior and senior years (hence the small dip in attendance from 1992 and 1993).
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03-06-12 01:05 PM - Post#124478    

  • Shot Clock Said:
Are you thinking of games taking place in January? Because remember during that time, there was "Jan Plan" where much of the student body wasn't on campus.

Good point! During senior year, I made Bucknell basketball my own unofficial Jan Plan. Ah, weeks of doing nothing but pick-up ball in Davis and the fieldhouse and cheering on the Bison. Not bad.
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03-06-12 01:07 PM - Post#124479    

If anyone needs tickets for tomorrow, send me a PM.
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03-06-12 06:39 PM - Post#124552    

BU Game Notes:

http://www.bucknellbison.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec- ...


Also, Lehigh just sent back another big block of tickets that will go on sale at 8:30 AM. Hopefully they didn't succeed in holding them long enough to prevent a sell-out.
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BisonKid
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03-06-12 07:18 PM - Post#124554    

I have terrific memories of spending my "JanPlan" at Davis Gym. One experience was particularly memorable. The Bison were playing American in January 1980 at Davis. American coached by none other than Gary Williams was the favorite but the Bison won with a late game rally scoring over 100 points. Williams went nuts towards the end of the game getting T-ed up and ejected. I still remember him walking off the court with the fans harassing him. My guess is that Davis sold out in those days as well.
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03-06-12 07:36 PM - Post#124555    

Wynn is showing the Bison as a 4.5 point favorite. That is pretty much what I was expecting Vegas to say, but based on my confidence level, I would've set it more like 2 or 3.

Also, as expected, Lehigh returned more tickets, and they will go on sale at 8:30 tomorrow morning. Anyone know how many more they returned?

Here is what Lehigh's website says:
"Tickets to the Men's Basketball Patriot League Championship Game are no longer on sale online. The game is very close to a sellout. The only remaining tickets will go on sale through the Bucknell website on Wednesday at 8:30 AM and are expected to sell quickly. Fans still looking for tickets should contact the Lehigh Ticket Office at 610-758-4263 beginning at 10:00 on game day to inquire about any possible remaining tickets through Lehigh. Will Call opens at 5:30PM."
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03-06-12 07:41 PM - Post#124557    

Socci and Curran have the call on CBS, but in the post-game Saturday, Alaa Abdelnaby (normally in the studio) said he was en route to Lewisburg for Wednesday. Does that mean we will actually get a sideline reporter?

Edit - Abdelnaby is calling the game for Westwood One radio (I wonder what national radio stations are picking up the game)
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03-06-12 07:47 PM - Post#124559    

  • BisonKid Said:
I have terrific memories of spending my "JanPlan" at Davis Gym. One experience was particularly memorable. The Bison were playing American in January 1980 at Davis. American coached by none other than Gary Williams was the favorite but the Bison won with a late game rally scoring over 100 points. Williams went nuts towards the end of the game getting T-ed up and ejected. I still remember him walking off the court with the fans harassing him. My guess is that Davis sold out in those days as well.

Great anecdote...I'd love to see video of that!
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03-06-12 07:50 PM - Post#124561    

Don't see it anywhere in the notes, but am I right that this is the first Lehigh-Bucknell championship-game clash since our 1985 OT loss?
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03-06-12 08:11 PM - Post#124565    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Don't see it anywhere in the notes, but am I right that this is the first Lehigh-Bucknell championship-game clash since our 1985 OT loss?



Yes it is. I know either the BU or LU notes mentioned the '85 ECC title game (as the only time these 2 played in a championship game).
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atlantabison
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03-06-12 09:12 PM - Post#124571    

Bowman has a great article on just how close this matchup is likely to be.

http://dailyitem.com/0200_sports/x11121796 85/Bill-...
Ray Bucknell!

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03-06-12 09:20 PM - Post#124575    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Don't see it anywhere in the notes, but am I right that this is the first Lehigh-Bucknell championship-game clash since our 1985 OT loss?




Yes. However those of us who were rooting for the Bison in 1987 won't ever forget the BU-LU semi-final - one that seemed like a final - that propelled the Bison to the ECC title and their first NCAA. Final of 103-100 in two OT's! Game had 16 ties and 31 lead changes. The Bison survived a 49 point game by LU's Darren Queenan.

The linked article has a full article on the game, plus the other semi that Lafayette lost to Towson. The LU coach at the time was Fran McCaffery and the LC coach was Butch Van Breda Kolff.


http://articles.mcall.com/1987-03-08/sports/256 077...
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03-06-12 09:34 PM - Post#124585    

Three from Youtube to get fired up for the game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bpJ4Nv-BA8&a mp;fea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UKnt4dSJ_E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXjW-MxHX9o&a mp;fea...
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03-07-12 12:59 AM - Post#124663    

  • Bison137 Said:


I am definitely fired up after watching video #1 & #3, but #2 is missing.

I have a meeting tomorrow during the game. The DVR is all ready to go.

GO BISON!!!
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03-07-12 09:35 AM - Post#124699    

Don't know if the players check this board from time to time, but if they do here is a quote from Penn ace Zack Rosen after last night's loss to Princeton handed Harvard the Ivy League bid:

“We blew an opportunity,” Rosen said. “We didn’t play as hard as we could have and lost.”

Bison, do not let anybody say that about you tonight. If you leave it all on the court you will likely win, but if you DO leave it all out there and still do not win, the Bucknell community will still be proud of you.
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03-07-12 09:52 AM - Post#124704    

It is 8:50, and it looks like the tickets are sold out. Did anyone go on right at 8:30 to get a feel for how many more Lehigh returned?
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03-07-12 10:45 AM - Post#124715    

Sunny and 61 degrees in Lewisburg today. When BU won in 2006, it was also unseasonably warm. Maybe an omen.
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HuskyColonial
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03-07-12 10:51 AM - Post#124717    

Remember how they used to open up the windows in January to cool the place because it was so hot inside?

Those attendance numbers for 1992 an 1993 seem off however. Those numbers suggest a standing room only crowd in every home game. That wasn't the case.
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buck-u
03-07-12 11:10 AM - Post#124725    

I'm so nervous excited at work, I can hardly sit still. Give 'em hell tonight, boys.
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03-07-12 11:20 AM - Post#124731    

  • HuskyColonial Said:

Those attendance numbers for 1992 an 1993 seem off however. Those numbers suggest a standing room only crowd in every home game. That wasn't the case.




Are you sure the Davis capacity at that point was still only 2200? I have no idea, but it certainly changed a few times over the years.


Edit: I see Wikipedia states the following, which they attribute to a Bucknell site:

"Following renovations in the 1990s to add reserved seats, Davis Gym's listed capacity was 2500, though on occasion standing room crowds exceeded that."
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mattie g
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03-07-12 11:31 AM - Post#124734    

I can;t speak for the early-90s, but in the mid-90s the crowds were fairly sparse (compared to now, that is). If my memory serves, for some of the bigger games we often had near capacity.

Shot Clock
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03-07-12 11:32 AM - Post#124735    

  • Bison137 Said:
  • HuskyColonial Said:

Those attendance numbers for 1992 an 1993 seem off however. Those numbers suggest a standing room only crowd in every home game. That wasn't the case.




Are you sure the Davis capacity at that point was still only 2200? I have no idea, but it certainly changed a few times over the years.


Edit: I see Wikipedia states the following, which they attribute to a Bucknell site:

"Following renovations in the 1990s to add reserved seats, Davis Gym's listed capacity was 2500, though on occasion standing room crowds exceeded that."




Yeah - Davis was definitely filled over capacity from late January on in 1992. Then they more strictly controlled things in 1993.
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03-07-12 11:36 AM - Post#124737    

Looks like they want to keep the fire marshal happy tonight...Per the BU website, no standing room only tickets will be sold. I wonder if that is because they will allow more students to overflow their sections.
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03-07-12 12:07 PM - Post#124745    

North Bleachers: Last time Lehigh visited, their feisty fans chanted unopposed. Any organized Lehigh cheering must be met with massive vocal retaliation!
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03-07-12 12:24 PM - Post#124749    

BRW, I just noticed your 0-5 record. Any comments?
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03-07-12 12:33 PM - Post#124752    

  • Bison89 Said:
BRW, I just noticed your 0-5 record. Any comments?

Bucknell at Minnesota: Oooh, so close
Bucknell at Vanderbilt: A dandy first half
Bucknell at La Salle: Ouch, what a smackdown!
Lehigh at Bucknell: Painful, felt it coming once the ill-advised "over-rated" chants started
Bucknell at Holy Cross: What the ****!?!?
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03-07-12 12:50 PM - Post#124754    

  • BUFan Said:
Looks like they want to keep the fire marshal happy tonight...Per the BU website, no standing room only tickets will be sold. I wonder if that is because they will allow more students to overflow their sections.



Do they usually offer SRO tickets?
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03-07-12 01:10 PM - Post#124759    

  • Shot Clock Said:
  • BUFan Said:
Looks like they want to keep the fire marshal happy tonight...Per the BU website, no standing room only tickets will be sold. I wonder if that is because they will allow more students to overflow their sections.



Do they usually offer SRO tickets?




They have sold SRO for some games in the past. For example, the attendance for Villanova was 4433 and it was 4330 when the Wake Forest game was stolen from BU. I don't know if the PL has any say in whether there are SRO tickets, but it is clear that Sojka provides reasonable views for a couple hundred fans who are standing.

BTW, it's very easy to sneak into Sojka for anyone who knows a few people who already have tickets.
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03-07-12 01:42 PM - Post#124763    

I remenber hearing that the Fire Marshall might have something to do with reducing or eliminating SRO tickets.
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Bucknell73
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03-07-12 02:20 PM - Post#124775    

I see that the Bucknell Club of DC is having a viewing party. I took off work and am headed over to Annapolis to join some other Bison.

I have a nervous and uneasy feeling about tonight. Like Bison 63 says -- Guys, just give it your ALL tonight, and we will be proud of you.

GO BISON!!!
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03-07-12 04:07 PM - Post#124817    

Does anyone know if there are any ways to get it via the internet? No CBS College Sports and no babysitters.
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03-07-12 04:33 PM - Post#124823    

  • Gmoney89 Said:
Does anyone know if there are any ways to get it via the internet? No CBS College Sports and no babysitters.

It's listed here: http://www.firstrowsports.eu/sport/basketball.html
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03-07-12 04:39 PM - Post#124824    

  • BUFan Said:
Edit - Abdelnaby is calling the game for Westwood One radio (I wonder what national radio stations are picking up the game)



Here is a release from Lehigh with the radio stations that are set to air the game. I believe the stations marked "C" are airing the game.

http://www.lehighsports.com/assets/1/workflow_sta g...
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03-07-12 04:55 PM - Post#124829    

Lehigh's arrival and shoot-around (video)
http://youtu.be/HLGbPnhLd2Q
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03-07-12 05:03 PM - Post#124832    

Wishing you were on campus right now? Until the broadcast starts, here's the next-best thing
http://portalweb.bucknell.edu/live/view3.htm
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res
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03-07-12 05:45 PM - Post#124848    

Not if I'm headed to the library, no.

bison63
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03-07-12 06:31 PM - Post#124862    

Is the Bucknell "'Hello' spirit" a thing of the past. It doesn't look like anybody is saying "hi" to anybody else (based on a few minutes observation of the camera).
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03-07-12 08:14 PM - Post#124881    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
  • Gmoney89 Said:
Does anyone know if there are any ways to get it via the internet? No CBS College Sports and no babysitters.

It's listed here: http://www.firstrowsports.eu/sport/basketball.html


Bucknell v Lehigh Link 1 is showing Seton Hall v L'ville. Hmm.
bisonfan
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03-07-12 10:21 PM - Post#124899    

CAM..........Paulsen we had 3.4 seconds, that is enough time for a halfcourt shot. What was he thinking???
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03-07-12 10:22 PM - Post#124900    

I know...what was with that baseball pass?! I think it was 4.1 seconds.
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03-07-12 10:26 PM - Post#124901    

Hats off to Lehigh. My view one of the best played (and officiated) PL games ever. Both teams were playing at a very high level. CJ was just too good. He had defenders all over him and he hit some just plain rediculous shots. BU had a chance to score at the end and win it. I agree with Cleeves that they just seemed to rush it.
Ray Bucknell!

Bucknell73
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03-07-12 10:30 PM - Post#124905    

I agree. Lehigh deserved this win. Hats off to Moose -- he played his heart out.
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03-07-12 10:33 PM - Post#124906    

Ugh. This hurts.

Doktore K
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03-07-12 10:57 PM - Post#124912    

We needed at least a half court pass to a shooter as LU would have immediately fouled a player who took a dribble or two. We needed 3 to tie at that point and LU had done the math.

So, the baseball pass was the right play, just no connection.

Overall, a great game and a "never say die" attitude by the Bison. We kept coming back again and again. Muscala was super and Kaspar also played a very good game. Even looked good on most of his FT's and hit 3 for 5.

Down by 1, we should have given the ball to the Moose and gotten out of the way. Let him take the last shot or get fouled. We were out of TO's and it showed there in the last 20 seconds.....

DP hss said this in interviews but I'll note it here: We need more quickness on the wings. Need a slasher. I'm hoping Singleton can be that X factor for next year and draw the D with his cuts to the hoop. Lehigh loses 3 seniors (Maneri, Adams, and Hamilton) but Knutson and CJ are back along with McKnight and Bailey.


bison63
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03-07-12 11:41 PM - Post#124924    

Better team won, plain and simple. LU took it to us, took us off our game. We could have played another 20 minutes and still never caught them. We had 9 or 10 chances to take the lead and never did. We always figured out a way not to get it done. Down 2 20 + seconds, wtf? Just get it to Muscala, and he has to get it done. He didn't.
BisonKid
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03-07-12 11:48 PM - Post#124927    

LU was definitely the better team tonight but we had a chance to pull it off. I question why Paulson started following with 1.20 left in the game and a 5 point deficit--it was a 2 possession game and based on the follows it became a 3 possession game. Amazing that we still had a chance to win at the end because of the 2 trees by Johnson and the smart defensive play by Hill with the offensive foul. It also appeared that Paulson didn't make any offensive or defensive adjustments during the game other that the obvious full court pressure at the end.

Looking for to the NIT!


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03-08-12 01:01 AM - Post#124939    

Really tough loss. Both teams played their hearts out, and unfortunately, Lehigh was one shot better. The Bison have nothing to be ashamed of. They played a great game and never gave up even when their backs were against the wall. To go from 7 points down with 40 seconds left (and fans leaving to beat the really terrible route 45 traffic?!?!) to having a shot to win it shows the team kept chugging.

Sojka was absolutely rocking in the second half. Outside of Villanova, I am not sure I have ever heard it louder.

On to the NIT.
SDQ
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03-08-12 02:50 AM - Post#124950    

Lehigh established tone and tempo. Game was too fast for us. We had zero flow on offense. Players and coach totally lost poise.

candyfan
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03-08-12 03:39 AM - Post#124954    

Bucknell start was lethargic while Lehigh got off to a quick start. Strangely, the noisy crowd of over 4000 seemed to work against home team Bucknell, the players looking nervous and confused. The Lehigh players, who aren't used to such crowds, seemed to thrive on the packed arena environment.

Lehigh earned their victory. And Bucknell was not embarrassed, coming ever so close to winning it on a last possession with 26 seconds left.

Video here -

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQMKwh0-_3Y - Bryson Johnson hits twice, late, for three points to make it close. This was one of them to make the score 78-77 in favor of Lehigh and 34 seconds left.

2. The final seconds when Bucknell had a clear chance to win the game by scoring. Bucknell comes upcourt with 26 seconds left. Your photographer, getting caught up in the action, misses part of the attempt to score by Cameron Ayers. McCollum comes away with the loose ball and goes downcourt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lngZCneJpzA

3. Post game press conference with Dave Paulsen and Bryson Johnson, Mike Muscala and Bryan Cohen, left to right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ9C14hpG7s

Now there's "wait 'til next year" when these two teams will go at it again. Who will benefit most from the results of this season?
mattie g
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03-08-12 09:06 AM - Post#124960    

I'm still hurting after a loss that capped off a really bad day overall. I really could have used the pick-me-up of a win!

I honestly thought we were going to do it when Johnson hit the second three to pull within one. And after the FT misses, there's no doubt we should have given it to Muscala and got out of the way - there was no way Lehigh would have stopped him short of fouling. But not having a TO in that situation was a killer, and we didn't have experienced leadership on the ball to calm the play down and do what needed to be done. And that's not to blame anyone for what happened - just an observation.

bison63
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03-08-12 09:14 AM - Post#124961    

  • candyfan Said:
Bucknell start was lethargic while Lehigh got off to a quick start. Strangely, the noisy crowd of over 4000 seemed to work against home team Bucknell, the players looking nervous and confused. The Lehigh players, who aren't used to such crowds, seemed to thrive on the packed arena environment.

Lehigh earned their victory. And Bucknell was not embarrassed, coming ever so close to winning it on a last possession with 26 seconds left.





True, we were not embarrassed, but we were beaten. I have to imagine that if we somehow pulled it off at the end, LU and their fans would have gone home thinking that the better team last night did not win. I cannot imagine any BU fan who saw the game thinking that we were the better team last night.

BTW, Flannery used to comment about how the home crowd can get a team TOO amped up, and maybe we saw that last night. I'd be tempted to agree with that if this team was not plagued by slow starts from the start to the finish of this season. The slow start hurt in that we were always in a hole. Not that the hole was too deep to dig out from, but on this night we could not do it. LU would not let us.

Here is a tweet from HT confirming what I said in an earlier post, we had plenty of chances, we just did not get it done:

HoopTime Key stat from last night: On possessions where Bucknell had a chance to lead, Bison shot 0 for 9 and had a turnover

End of story!

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03-08-12 09:39 AM - Post#124964    

Yes, it was a great environment for a basketball game. Loud and lots of energy...give the students some props for that. Other than the outcome, it was a lot of fun to be in Sojka for this game.

I think that overall Lehigh was the more confidant team. I could tell from their body language going out for the opening tip that Lehigh was very confidant and determined. Not that Bucknell was not confident, but I think they had more question in their minds.

I, too, thought Mike should have just tried to do what he could with that last possession to take the lead. He had a monster game and was our best option by far. He gave it a quick look but decided to pass it back out. Maybe he was thinking there was time to reset the play. Cam tried driving but just couldn't get around his defender and consequently did not go up as strong as he needed to with his shot. Hard to be too critical...it was a pressure moment and these are 19-20 yr old players.

As everyone knows, the Bison had many opportunities to tie and/or take the lead but never found a way to get it done. We didn't shoot as well as we needed to and Lehigh shot well...CJ hit some crazy shots, fallaways, hanging-in-the-air double-clutching jumpers.....showed why he is a special player. To his credit, he never appears flustered or nervous and confidence is not a problem for him. BC tried valiantly, but unfortunately, CJ was able to do his thing most of the evening. And Knutson played better than I have seen him play. He worked hard on the glass and hit a lot of shots, some easy, some under duress. Bucknell should have done a better job on him and I'm sure did not expect him to hang 23 on the board.

It is a major letdown, but Bucknell gave it a god shot and should hold their heads high. Hopefully they can regroup and grab a win or two in the NIT. Thanks for a great game, guys.
raymondbucknell
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03-08-12 01:06 PM - Post#124997    

the better team won last night. kudos to Lehigh.
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03-08-12 04:22 PM - Post#125037    

  • BUFan Said:
It is 8:50, and it looks like the tickets are sold out. Did anyone go on right at 8:30 to get a feel for how many more Lehigh returned?





Not an issue anymore, but sources indicate they returned about 500 more tickets. Ended up keeping perhaps 350.
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LU06
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03-08-12 04:36 PM - Post#125038    

  • Bison137 Said:
  • BUFan Said:
It is 8:50, and it looks like the tickets are sold out. Did anyone go on right at 8:30 to get a feel for how many more Lehigh returned?





Not an issue anymore, but sources indicate they returned about 500 more tickets. Ended up keeping perhaps 350.



So I guess a little more than the 150-200 you 'knew' we could sell
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03-08-12 04:48 PM - Post#125039    

Yes, a few more - but still a very poor turnout. I guessed 200. Actual total (not rounded) might be as high as 333. However that is the total of tickets not returned. At the time the tickets were returned, LU was still holding on to some unsold tickets. I don't know if they sold the rest on Wednesday morning.

Had it been held at Stabler, there would have been over 2000 Bucknell fans in attendance.
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sader87
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03-08-12 10:12 PM - Post#125074    

Had HC made the PL final, there would have been about 100 HC fans at the game last night.

Good luck in the NIT...we won that tourney when it actually meant something in 1954.
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03-08-12 10:29 PM - Post#125077    

More recently, HC bounced back nicely from their 2005 PL final loss to upset Notre Dame in the NIT. There was some other small little upset 3 days later that overshadowed that game, but it was still a great win for the PL, and we can all hope the Bison bounce back like Holy Cross did!
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03-09-12 09:37 AM - Post#125095    

  • sader87 Said:
Had HC made the PL final, there would have been about 100 HC fans at the game last night.

Good luck in the NIT...we won that tourney when it actually meant something in 1954.



Good luck next year after your 15-14 season.

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03-09-12 05:07 PM - Post#125163    

  • LU06 Said:
  • Bison137 Said:
  • BUFan Said:
It is 8:50, and it looks like the tickets are sold out. Did anyone go on right at 8:30 to get a feel for how many more Lehigh returned?





Not an issue anymore, but sources indicate they returned about 500 more tickets. Ended up keeping perhaps 350.



So I guess a little more than the 150-200 you 'knew' we could sell





As more info comes out, it appears the LU ticket sales may not have been much greater than my estimate of 200. LU returned 1000 - indicating they sold or held onto maybe 333. However I discovered that the LU "code" to buy tickets on their site was known by many on the BU campus and used by students to buy blocks of tickets. One of my kids knows of 37 tickets (in 5 blocks) that were sold by LU to BU students. The number is likely significantly greater than that.
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03-09-12 08:44 PM - Post#125182    

  • Bison137 Said:
  • LU06 Said:
  • Bison137 Said:
  • BUFan Said:
It is 8:50, and it looks like the tickets are sold out. Did anyone go on right at 8:30 to get a feel for how many more Lehigh returned?





Not an issue anymore, but sources indicate they returned about 500 more tickets. Ended up keeping perhaps 350.



So I guess a little more than the 150-200 you 'knew' we could sell





As more info comes out, it appears the LU ticket sales may not have been much greater than my estimate of 200. LU returned 1000 - indicating they sold or held onto maybe 333. However I discovered that the LU "code" to buy tickets on their site was known by many on the BU campus and used by students to buy blocks of tickets. One of my kids knows of 37 tickets (in 5 blocks) that were sold by LU to BU students. The number is likely significantly greater than that.


Based on the number of LU fans in attendance, I'd agree that there were about 200 fans for LU.

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03-10-12 03:44 AM - Post#125203    

  • Bison137 Said:
  • LU06 Said:
  • Bison137 Said:
  • BUFan Said:
It is 8:50, and it looks like the tickets are sold out. Did anyone go on right at 8:30 to get a feel for how many more Lehigh returned?





Not an issue anymore, but sources indicate they returned about 500 more tickets. Ended up keeping perhaps 350.



So I guess a little more than the 150-200 you 'knew' we could sell





As more info comes out, it appears the LU ticket sales may not have been much greater than my estimate of 200. LU returned 1000 - indicating they sold or held onto maybe 333. However I discovered that the LU "code" to buy tickets on their site was known by many on the BU campus and used by students to buy blocks of tickets. One of my kids knows of 37 tickets (in 5 blocks) that were sold by LU to BU students. The number is likely significantly greater than that.



Why does it matter? Everyone knows that BU has more fans than anyone in the league. Is this all you have to say? Wow! Are you that upset with LU that you must berate them? They won with a small number of fans. Good for LU.
LU06
Freshman
Posts 16
03-10-12 02:19 PM - Post#125232    

  • Bison137 Said:
  • LU06 Said:
  • Bison137 Said:
  • BUFan Said:
It is 8:50, and it looks like the tickets are sold out. Did anyone go on right at 8:30 to get a feel for how many more Lehigh returned?





Not an issue anymore, but sources indicate they returned about 500 more tickets. Ended up keeping perhaps 350.



So I guess a little more than the 150-200 you 'knew' we could sell





As more info comes out, it appears the LU ticket sales may not have been much greater than my estimate of 200. LU returned 1000 - indicating they sold or held onto maybe 333. However I discovered that the LU "code" to buy tickets on their site was known by many on the BU campus and used by students to buy blocks of tickets. One of my kids knows of 37 tickets (in 5 blocks) that were sold by LU to BU students. The number is likely significantly greater than that.



Keep up the investigation Hardy boy. The Patriot League told me if you get the number up to 73, Lehigh has to give the title to Bucknell. But only before Selection Sunnday at 6 pm. So you have about 29 hours to just about double the number. Get working!
Bison137
Professor
Posts 8363
Bison137
03-10-12 03:32 PM - Post#125239    

Based on your need to continue posting about the attendance on another school's board, it is apparent that you're embarrassed by the poor support LU gets. I know it also bothers a lot of other LU fans as well, as it has often been discussed on the LU board as well. It's too bad because the current LU team deserves a lot better. They played an excellent game Wednesday and had a very good year.
2012-13 Attendance: 19 games and 8,354 miles driven.



bison63
PhD Student
Posts 1887
03-10-12 07:38 PM - Post#125253    

They are in fact a nice team. they did not get much of a contribution from Greiner vs us, but Knutsen was awesome, as was I thought McKnight, and of course CJ. A simple case of really wanting it and aggressively going after it.

And so overall the lack of support they get game in and game out is lamentable, but for two games in a row they got a nice fan showing in Sojka, and those fans had a great time, and contributed to a great atmosphere in the building and they got the big prize and good for them. I hope they do well in the NCAA, and I suspect that this team playing the way they are right now, will do better than we would have, playing the way we are right now.

Now let's get'em next year. I don't think the CJ to the NBA talk will amount too very much. We probably got a glimpse of what next year will look like if we do not come up with a way to force them into our game sans BC. Even with him, they pretty much had it their way on Wednesday.

I don't think our guys problem is a talent issue, I think, as we saw all year when we played good competition, we just have not learned to take that next step. We were probably all lead astray by the win at LU, which I think a lot of us penciled in as a loss. Then going 10-0, lulled us further to sleep. Clearly, we did not get better as the season wore on. It will be interesting to see what next year brings. Still beats the hell out of 7-23.


LU06
Freshman
Posts 16
03-10-12 08:49 PM - Post#125259    

  • Bison137 Said:
Based on your need to continue posting about the attendance on another school's board, it is apparent that you're embarrassed by the poor support LU gets. I know it also bothers a lot of other LU fans as well, as it has often been discussed on the LU board as well. It's too bad because the current LU team deserves a lot better. They played an excellent game Wednesday and had a very good year.



You are kidding right? 'Need' to post on another board? I have only responded to your posts regarding LU's attendance. I have not once changed the discussion or made a thread regarding our attendance. You, on the other hand, have posted about another school's (LU) attendance on the BU board, LU board, HC board and Laf board. I'd say, based on hard evidence, someone else is finding the 'need' to post about another school's attendance on other school's boards.

Now, am I dismayed by the the support at games? Yes I am. I have never disputed that. But I do think those that support are more than loyal to the team and program. Were there 1,000 Lehigh fans at the game Weds? Heck no. But you couldn't find a more loyal group than those that were there.

Lastly, I just really do not understand your fixation on LU's attendance. We all know it could, and should, be higher, especially given the caliber of team and players we have. But you purposely point it out any chance you get. Maybe you just like taking digs at LU. There was an entire page+ of comments on the great game Weds, yet your only comment was about # of tickets LU took. Seriously? LU has poor attendance, we all know it and get it. Let it go - it has nothing to do with the play on the court and the people who read/post. Anyone who takes the time to go on these boards are the people who attend games and support these teams.

I could be wrong, but I think a lot of your BU friends would agree with me here. We all are here to talk bball and support our teams. We enjoy watching good players and good games. There is no need for numerous digs regarding attendance (and it can go both ways - see football - and this will be the only time I will ever bring it up b/c it is a reference point), especially when every single poster/reader knows the situation. If the goal of a post is just to get under someone else's skin, maybe you, or any of us, should consider not posting it.
LU06
Freshman
Posts 16
03-10-12 09:00 PM - Post#125260    

  • bison63 Said:
They are in fact a nice team. they did not get much of a contribution from Greiner vs us, but Knutsen was awesome, as was I thought McKnight, and of course CJ. A simple case of really wanting it and aggressively going after it.

And so overall the lack of support they get game in and game out is lamentable, but for two games in a row they got a nice fan showing in Sojka, and those fans had a great time, and contributed to a great atmosphere in the building and they got the big prize and good for them. I hope they do well in the NCAA, and I suspect that this team playing the way they are right now, will do better than we would have, playing the way we are right now.

Now let's get'em next year. I don't think the CJ to the NBA talk will amount too very much. We probably got a glimpse of what next year will look like if we do not come up with a way to force them into our game sans BC. Even with him, they pretty much had it their way on Wednesday.

I don't think our guys problem is a talent issue, I think, as we saw all year when we played good competition, we just have not learned to take that next step. We were probably all lead astray by the win at LU, which I think a lot of us penciled in as a loss. Then going 10-0, lulled us further to sleep. Clearly, we did not get better as the season wore on. It will be interesting to see what next year brings. Still beats the hell out of 7-23.





63...great post and insight. Thanks for the well wishes. As for the difference in teams, I would agree that talent is not the issue. From an on-court perspective, I would say the biggest difference in the two teams is LU having more players that can create a shot for their teammates. Just from watching the game live, it seemed to me that LU had many more 'open' shots compared to BU. Those are generally created by teammates (or fastbreak). Both CJ and Mackey averaged 3.5+ assists. BU's highest was around 2.2.

One part of the game that sticks out to me was when LU was up 52-50 and CJ had two straight assists to Maneiri for layups. It is hard to have sustained offense without getting some 'easy' baskets. I think Kasper showed some potential, but guys like Johnson and Ayers would need to step up in creating for teammates for BU to get better. Just my opinion.
BUFan
PhD Student
Posts 1282
BUFan
03-13-12 07:51 AM - Post#125623    

Well-written look back on the final from the Daily Item:

http://dailyitem.com/0200_sports/x59883171 6/Bill-B...
Doktore K
Junior
Posts 281
03-13-12 11:17 PM - Post#125838    

Well-written piece by Bill Bowman, thanks for sharing the link.

As for the LU vs. BU comparisons and looking ahead to next year, I would like to make several of my own observations:

1) The Fitz Factor-- Expect to see more and more of the Fitz next year. He can do the dirty work and play right hand man to MM. He looked good at the end of the year and is a tough match-up inside.

2) Need More Assists and Easy Buckets-- I agree with LU06 here. We live and die by the 3-pointer too much, and except for MM, don't get many easy baskets at all. Playing Fitz more would yield some more inside game and lay-ups.

Our PG's averaged only 2 FG attempts per game this year, and only 2 assists per game. Not enough.

3) Creators--Help Wanted: We absolutely need more "dribble drive penetration" as they say on TV! Kaspar has the ability and started to flash it again at the end of the season. He just needs to finish better and hit his FT's. Kaspar will be the starting PG next year. I'd like to see Ayers become more of a creator than he is-- needs to get stronger. He has the shot and the smarts.

4) Slashers--Help Wanted: Hardest type of player to recruit in the PL as these athletic 2's or 3's get gobbled up by other conferences. But we need one badly. Maybe Singleton can fill this role next year. Won't shoot the 3 but will slash by you to the hoop. We have enough 3 point bombers, especially when you consider Brackney emerged to some degree late in the year.

5) FT's and more FT's: Good and bad news here after reviewing our stats thru the PL championship game. MM shot well over 200 FT's and made 85% of them (!) but his total FT's equalled the total for the rest of the starting five combined! Not good. McCollum shot over 200 FT's and Knutson shot something like 135. Both hit over 80%. FT's come from aggressive play and drives to the hoop where you beat your man.

Bottom line is that we became too reliant on MM down the stretch of the season. We need more aggressive PG play, more slashes to the hoop, and some more muscle too. We're a little soft. Maybe more minutes from Fitz and some help from Dom Hoffman could change that.

Overall, it sure beats the heck out of 7-23! I am not complaining about this season, just want us to turn it up one notch next year.


Bison54
Masters Student
Posts 683
Bison54
03-14-12 08:26 AM - Post#125856    

  • Doktore K Said:
Well-written piece by Bill Bowman, thanks for sharing the link.

As for the LU vs. BU comparisons and looking ahead to next year, I would like to make several of my own observations:

1) The Fitz Factor-- Expect to see more and more of the Fitz next year. He can do the dirty work and play right hand man to MM. He looked good at the end of the year and is a tough match-up inside.

2) Need More Assists and Easy Buckets-- I agree with LU06 here. We live and die by the 3-pointer too much, and except for MM, don't get many easy baskets at all. Playing Fitz more would yield some more inside game and lay-ups.

Our PG's averaged only 2 FG attempts per game this year, and only 2 assists per game. Not enough.

3) Creators--Help Wanted: We absolutely need more "dribble drive penetration" as they say on TV! Kaspar has the ability and started to flash it again at the end of the season. He just needs to finish better and hit his FT's. Kaspar will be the starting PG next year. I'd like to see Ayers become more of a creator than he is-- needs to get stronger. He has the shot and the smarts.

4) Slashers--Help Wanted: Hardest type of player to recruit in the PL as these athletic 2's or 3's get gobbled up by other conferences. But we need one badly. Maybe Singleton can fill this role next year. Won't shoot the 3 but will slash by you to the hoop. We have enough 3 point bombers, especially when you consider Brackney emerged to some degree late in the year.

5) FT's and more FT's: Good and bad news here after reviewing our stats thru the PL championship game. MM shot well over 200 FT's and made 85% of them (!) but his total FT's equalled the total for the rest of the starting five combined! Not good. McCollum shot over 200 FT's and Knutson shot something like 135. Both hit over 80%. FT's come from aggressive play and drives to the hoop where you beat your man.

Bottom line is that we became too reliant on MM down the stretch of the season. We need more aggressive PG play, more slashes to the hoop, and some more muscle too. We're a little soft. Maybe more minutes from Fitz and some help from Dom Hoffman could change that.

Overall, it sure beats the heck out of 7-23! I am not complaining about this season, just want us to turn it up one notch next year.






Good observations. But what about Joe Willman?




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