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BisonRoadWarrior
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03-07-12 11:31 PM - Post#124921    

Tonight I mourn, but by tomorrow I'll be happily focused on the NIT: a happy hunting ground where mid-major teams can prey on big programs who are disappointed to be there. (Like Holy Cross over Notre Dame in 2005.)

NIT basics: 32 team field, with all games played on the higher seed's court until the last four teams head to Madison Square Garden. It's older than the NCAA tournament, and there was a time when teams would pass on the lesser-regarded NCAA tourney to participate in the NIT.

I found this NITology site, but it hasn't been updated since the weekend; I suppose it's hard to make projections at this point about who's in and out (other than automatic qualifiers like us).
http://nitology.com/

I guess we'd be a 7 or 8? Here's last year's bracket for comparison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_National_In vitat...

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03-07-12 11:42 PM - Post#124925    

NIT Selection Show: 9pm Sunday on ESPNU.

First Round: March 13 & 14 (Tuesday & Wednesday)
Second Round: March 15-19 (Thursday through Monday)
Quarterfinals: March 20 & 21 (Tuesday & Wednesday)

Madison Square Garden
Semifinals: March 27 (Tuesday)
Championship: March 29 (Thursday)

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03-08-12 12:52 AM - Post#124935    

Hmmmmm, I wonder if I might get to road trip to a West Coast game. That would be nice.
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03-08-12 01:02 AM - Post#124940    

Here's to hoping Seton Hall's bubble gets popped and the Bison are at the Rock next week
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03-08-12 12:45 PM - Post#124992    

  • BUFan Said:
Here's to hoping Seton Hall's bubble gets popped and the Bison are at the Rock next week



From a purely selfish standpoint I second that!
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RichH
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03-08-12 01:22 PM - Post#124999    

Does BU have any shot at a Home game? Realise size issue but a guaranteed sellout
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03-08-12 01:51 PM - Post#125004    

  • RichH Said:
Does BU have any shot at a home game? Realize size issue but a guaranteed sellout

Size isn't an issue at all. It's all about seeding and I can't imagine how we'd be top-4 seed and thus host.

That is, until the quarterfinals, as the streaking #7 Bison, coming off road victories over Pitt and Colorado, return to Sojka to host the red-hot #8 Mississippi Valley Delta Devils.

RichH
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03-08-12 02:04 PM - Post#125006    

Dont understand. Only top 4 of 32 get home games?
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03-08-12 02:17 PM - Post#125007    

  • RichH Said:
Dont understand. Only top 4 of 32 get home games?

I was a little unclear. Like the NCAA, the NIT has four regions. In the NIT, there are 8 seeds per region, therefore a team needs to be one of the top four seeds in any one of those regions to host. If you check out last year's bracket, you'll get a sense of the caliber of the 1- through 4-seeds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_National_In vitat...

RichH
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03-08-12 02:18 PM - Post#125008    

Thanks, Confusion more a Senior moment than lack of clarity in your post
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03-08-12 03:30 PM - Post#125024    

The 30-minute NIT Selection Show is Sunday at 9 p.m. on ESPNU
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03-08-12 03:40 PM - Post#125025    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
In the NIT, there are 8 seeds per region, therefore a team needs to be one of the top four seeds in any one of those regions to host. If you check out last year's bracket, you'll get a sense of the caliber of the 1- through 4-seeds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_National_In vitat...





Note, however, that #8 seed McNeese State and #6 seed College of Charletson both hosted first round games last year - presumably because their opponents' arenas were unavailable. BU has offered to host a first round game, so maybe we'll get lucky and draw an opponent who has to play on the road.



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03-08-12 03:53 PM - Post#125030    

Good point, 137. Dayton was a higher seed but couldn't host Charleston since Dayton's arena is used for NCAA "first-round" games.

Here's another site--and more recently updated--that offer NIT seeding speculation:
http://collegehoopsnet.com/nitology-the-field-32 -t...

RichH
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03-08-12 04:12 PM - Post#125032    

  • Bison137 Said:
  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
In the NIT, there are 8 seeds per region, therefore a team needs to be one of the top four seeds in any one of those regions to host. If you check out last year's bracket, you'll get a sense of the caliber of the 1- through 4-seeds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_National_In vitat...



That would be cool

Note, however, that #8 seed McNeese State and #6 seed College of Charletson both hosted first round games last year - presumably because their opponents' arenas were unavailable. BU has offered to host a first round game, so maybe we'll get lucky and draw an opponent who has to play on the road.



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03-08-12 04:17 PM - Post#125033    

Barring a few more upsets, I see BU as a 7 seed since there is clearly a bias in favor of teams from larger conferences with larger arenas. Wouldn't mind seeing Bu play St. Joes.



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03-08-12 07:27 PM - Post#125055    

No idea how credible, but here's another projection:
http://ncaabasketballpred ictions.blogspot.com/2012...

And another, which will be the favorite among those pulling for a Seton Hall match-up:
http://nycbuckets.com/2012/03/nit-bracketol ogy-mar...

res
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03-08-12 08:11 PM - Post#125059    

I must admit, I've lost touch with the NIT since the NCAA took over, other than to realize that regular season champions receive automatic bids.

But for a number of years the NIT didn't necessarily have a bias towards the major conferences, they had a bias towards who they thought would put more fannies in the seats, which sometimes meant schools from lesser conferences whose fans were excited about an NIT invitation got home games. Probably not true any longer.

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03-08-12 08:24 PM - Post#125061    

Ironically, the WSJ Online had an article today about NIT Bracketologists:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052 9702046...


I really think the Bison can be a dangerous team here. If Bucknell had to play today, they'd be dejected, but with a week to prep, I think they will have brushed off the loss and will come out with a nice little chip on their shoulder. On the flip side, Bucknell is destined to get a bigger conference team fresh off an NCAA snub who may be lacking motivation.

This core has yet to beat a power conference team, so this is a great opportunity to get a nice confidence boost going into next year...
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03-08-12 10:23 PM - Post#125076    

I am kind of hoping for Tennessee or NC State which are makable trips for us southerners.
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03-09-12 11:43 AM - Post#125116    

  • atlantabison Said:
I am kind of hoping for Tennessee or NC State which are makable trips for us southerners.

I would welcome either for their wealth of Waffle Houses.

RichH
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03-09-12 11:56 AM - Post#125120    

What about Cracker barrels , better food IMHO and a much higher cholesterol count per oz.
HoleinOne
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03-09-12 12:56 PM - Post#125131    

Would love to see game(s) as opportunity to experiment on both offense and defense. Understand why Paulsen did not want to change up in Patriot League playoffs, but nothing to lose here. For several years, Bison not a good match up against big, athletic teams. Zone defense in particular would be step forward. While I congratulate the coach and team for a strong Patriot League season, if you only run one basic offensive and defensive scheme eventually others will figure it out.
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03-09-12 02:24 PM - Post#125140    

DP does not appear to be an experimenter. I don't think he'll try anything new now. Remember how adamant he was after last year's trouncing by UCONN that he would not deviate from his m2m.

Many of us have felt since his first year that his system would take us to the point where we are now, but no further. I doubt that in the eyes of the BU administration that he has to take us any further, but since it was done once, it would be nice to see it happen again.

There is nothing about this year's performance that would indicate a bison win in the NIT. I'd love to see it, but...
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03-09-12 03:38 PM - Post#125149    

If it's true that Paulsen wouldn't even consider trying different defenses, then it means that he's not interested in improving the team. That, in my opinion, is unacceptable at any level of sport.

bison63
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03-09-12 06:09 PM - Post#125170    

I'm sure he wants to improve the team, but he believes in his own system. Clearly however, this BU team is not nearly in the class of the HC and BU teams of the mid decade. Why not? I don't know! A lot on this board seem to think the talent is comparable. In any event this team has not beaten anybody better than us, and that was a hallmark of those teams. That HC team that beat ND (rather handily)in the NIT just before we beat KU, would have had a great shot at winning in the dance as well.

If LU manages a 14 seed, they may pull an upset as well. I liked them pre-season,and turned against them after they lost to AU (called them "pretenders"), but that loss was what seemed to wake them up. From that point on they have clearly been the best in the conference.
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03-09-12 06:54 PM - Post#125173    

  • Bison137 Said:
  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
In the NIT, there are 8 seeds per region, therefore a team needs to be one of the top four seeds in any one of those regions to host. If you check out last year's bracket, you'll get a sense of the caliber of the 1- through 4-seeds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_National_In vitat...





Note, however, that #8 seed McNeese State and #6 seed College of Charletson both hosted first round games last year - presumably because their opponents' arenas were unavailable. BU has offered to host a first round game, so maybe we'll get lucky and draw an opponent who has to play on the road.


So after quickly looking over the NIT projections and the tournament sites it looks like Bucknell would get a home game if they drew Dayton(projected #2 seed, host of games March 13 and 14) but not Oregon(projected #1 seed, host of games March 15 and 17) because the NIT First Round is earlier in the week and Oregon's host site is the Rose Garden and not the Ducks home court(Matthew Knight Arena). Am I right?
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03-10-12 01:43 PM - Post#125224    

Everyone who projects the NIT has us as an 8-seed. Latest projections:

Joe Lunardi's last four out of the NCAA: Washington, Drexel, Miami, Marshall

Jerry Palm's last four out: Seton Hall, Miami, Iona, Drexel

Big Apple Buckets : Bucknell vs Iona; other #1 seeds are Marshall, Ole Miss, South Florida

Bracket Predictions :Washington, Miami, Ole Miss, Northwestern

Posted yesterday, might be stale:
NIT-ology : Miami, Iona, Tennessee, Arizona

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03-10-12 01:50 PM - Post#125227    

#1 Stony Brook just lost to Vermont in the America East. There are three more conference finals today that could create automatic NIT bids:
MAC: #1 Ohio vs Akron
SWAC: #1 Mississippi Valley State vs Texas Southern
Big West: #1 Long Beach State vs UC Santa Barbara

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03-10-12 02:08 PM - Post#125228    

I think Stony Brook hurt my hopes of playing Seton Hall. Stony Brook would be a weaker Northeast geography team than the Bison.
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03-10-12 02:18 PM - Post#125231    

Stony Brook will clearly be seeded below BU. That should move BU up to a 7 seed.



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03-10-12 02:22 PM - Post#125233    

  • BUFan Said:
I think Stony Brook hurt my hopes of playing Seton Hall. Stony Brook would be a weaker Northeast geography team than the Bison.



But they could put Stony Brook against Iona. At this point, however, some of the bracketologists have Seton Hall stll making the NCAA tournament if there are no more relevant upsets.



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03-10-12 02:47 PM - Post#125236    

A few observations. First, on Paulson's refusal to mix up defensive schemes. In the Big East semis yesterday, Coach Cronin of Cincy played zone for the first time ever against Syracuse. This strategy confused and frustrated Syracuse. I cannot think of another D-1 school that plays exclusive M2M. Coach Reed of Lehigh is a create coach and easily figured out a way to upset the Bison defense. Moreover, he pressured the 3 point shot on our offensive end which took out of our game.

On the NIT, my guess is that we'll play either Drexel, Iona or a Big East team. With games on Monday and Tuesday, the Bison logistically could not get anywhere else, particularly on the West Coast.
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03-10-12 02:54 PM - Post#125238    

  • BisonKid Said:
On the NIT, my guess is that we'll play either Drexel, Iona or a Big East team. With games on Monday and Tuesday, the Bison logistically could not get anywhere else, particularly on the West Coast.

Games are Tuesday and Wednesday. I wouldn't make any assumptions about where we'll play: Last year's first-round matchups included Ole Miss at Cal Berkeley, Fairfield at Colorado State, Kent State at St Mary's(CA), Boston College at McNeese St (LA) and Harvard at Oklahoma State.

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03-10-12 04:32 PM - Post#125242    

Just out of interest, who pays for last minute flights like this? The cost of must be out of control.
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norcalfan
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03-11-12 03:33 AM - Post#125275    

  • Bison89 Said:
Just out of interest, who pays for last minute flights like this? The cost of must be out of control.



Mostly the player's parents and other family members who want to share in the joy. The prices are horrendous!
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03-11-12 09:26 AM - Post#125281    

For the teams though, you'd have to imagine the NCAA picks up some of the tab.
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03-11-12 09:55 AM - Post#125283    

Travel expenses are paid for by the NIT (and the NCAA). That's also true for the other two post-season events (CBI and CIT).



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03-11-12 11:29 AM - Post#125286    

Sunday morning projections:

Joe Lundardi's first four out of NCAA: Washington, Drexel, Iona, Miami

Jerry Palm's first four out: Mississippi, Miami, Iona, Drexel

Bracket Predictions : Washington, Miami, Drexel, Northwestern

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03-11-12 12:02 PM - Post#125287    

Newest projection from Big Apple Buckets has us bumped up to a 7-seed, playing Ole Miss. Other 2-seeds in his bracket: Dayton, Miami, Mississippi State.

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03-11-12 12:27 PM - Post#125288    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Newest projection from Big Apple Buckets has us bumped up to a 7-seed, playing Ole Miss. Other 2-seeds in his bracket: Dayton, Miami, Mississippi State.





1. I think it's somewhat unlikely Dayton will get a 2 seed. There are several schools with lower seeds on this bracket who seem to have better resumes - including St. Joes.

2. Also think it's unlikely that Tennessee, with their 85 RPI, ends up as a 1 seed.

3. The guy who runs this site is a Princeton fan - and imo he's had Princeton too high for the past week. They are now a 6 seed on the site - even though they basically have the same resume as Bucknell and do not have an automatic bid. For example, it appears Princeton belongs lower than Northern Iowa, who has a much higher RPI and much tougher SOS. I think Princeton is on the bubble as to getting a bid at all.



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03-11-12 01:26 PM - Post#125290    

Even if Dayton did get a 2-seed, you'd think the committee would try to place them at a school that, unlike Bucknell, wasn't on spring break this week.

Interesting tidbit from an article about Dayton's NIT hopes:
"The Flyers, who have made 22 appearances in the event (second most all-time behind St. John’s), probably would have to start on the road because of the NCAA First Four games at UD Arena on Tuesday and Wednesday. That’s what happened last season when the Flyers lost at Charleston (S.C.) in a first-round game.

UD has asked for a waiver from the NIT to start at home Thursday, but that’s typically when the second round begins. The same request was denied last season and is expected to be again."
http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/springfield-oh-s...

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03-11-12 01:51 PM - Post#125291    

New from from NITology: Bucknell a 7-seed, 2-seeds are Northwestern, Iona, Tennessee, Mississippi

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03-11-12 05:22 PM - Post#125300    

Two more after St Bonaventure beats Xavier this afternoon:
NIT-ology: Bucknell vs Mississippi State (other 2-seeds are Northwestern, Iona, Tennessee)
http://nitology.com/bracket31112.html

Big Apple Buckets: Bucknell vs Tennessee (other 2's are Ole Miss, Dayton, Miami).
http://nycbuckets.com/2012/03/final-nit-bra cket-pr...

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03-11-12 09:14 PM - Post#125355    

Arizona on Wednesday. Anybody close enough to go?

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03-11-12 09:15 PM - Post#125356    

It's official. Bucknell's an 8-seed going up against #1 seed Arizona Wed. night.

One nice thing is that the game is on ESPN2 and thus truly available on a national basis instead of being relegated to a 'sports tier' ESPNU or ESPN3.
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03-11-12 09:29 PM - Post#125360    

  • Bison54 Said:
Arizona on Wednesday. Anybody close enough to go?

Considering Arizona is on Planet Earth...yes.

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03-11-12 09:44 PM - Post#125367    

For some reason, Valpo got a 7 seed - despite a worse RPI than Bucknell, a worse record, a number of bad losses, a worse ooc SOS, a worse loss in their conference tournament, and a much worse ooc RPI. Moving BU up one spot would have given them a game at Miami instead.

It doesn't look like the committee spends a whole lot of time on the lowest seeds.



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03-11-12 09:54 PM - Post#125375    

Valpo played Arizona at the beginning of the season.

Nonetheless, the NIT committee should have given BU the 7th seed and sent them to Miami. They could have then sent Valpo to Washington and Texas-Arlington to Arizona.
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03-11-12 09:56 PM - Post#125377    

Agree that some of seedings are not totally logical. Also, how did George Mason not make the field?

So what are the chances that Bucknell pulls an upset? 10-20%?
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03-11-12 09:58 PM - Post#125378    

  • JPM Said:
Valpo played Arizona at the beginning of the season.

Nonetheless, the NIT committee should have given BU the 7th seed and sent them to Miami. They could have then sent Valpo to Washington and Texas-Arlington to Arizona.

But after we dropped Miami like we did in the first Orange Bowl, we'd have faced the winner of La Salle/Minnesota.
http://www.ncaa.com/content/2012-nit-brac ket

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03-11-12 10:10 PM - Post#125387    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
  • JPM Said:
Valpo played Arizona at the beginning of the season.

Nonetheless, the NIT committee should have given BU the 7th seed and sent them to Miami. They could have then sent Valpo to Washington and Texas-Arlington to Arizona.

But after we dropped Miami like we did in the first Orange Bowl, we'd have faced the winner of La Salle/Minnesota.
http://www.ncaa.com/content/2012-nit-brac ket



Good point. You could have put BU in the bottom half of its bracket as the #7 playing at Ole Miss and sent Illinois St. To Miami. That could have set up a second round game against Stanford. Now Bravman has to wait until the finals of the bracket for a potential game against Stanford.

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03-11-12 10:23 PM - Post#125396    

  • JPM Said:
Now Bravman has to wait until the finals of the bracket for a potential game against Stanford.

I like your thinking! At least he won't have to travel as far, with the game at Madison Square Garden.

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03-11-12 10:26 PM - Post#125398    

I am sure the team is happy with the draw, as Arizona is a nice little destination for a Spring Break game. Personally, I am bummed we aren't playing Seton Hall. I think the committee viewed Seton Hall as the #1 team in the field and Stony Brook as worse than Bucknell. As a result, Stony Brook got SHU. If you asked me, the advantage of playing in NJ would've outweighed the disadvantage of playing a slightly better team. But, for the players' sake, I am happy they will get a true tournament road trip after last year's bus ride to DC. I only wish we had a bigger alumni base in Arizona.

I guess it's my east coast bias, but I can't say I know a whole lot about Arizona other than that they were a very good athletic team LAST year.

Being on ESPN2 is a nice plus.
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03-11-12 11:05 PM - Post#125424    

American to host Buffalo in the CIT.

Not sure how this American team made a postseason tourney and the 2007 Bison didn't...
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03-12-12 12:24 AM - Post#125441    

  • BUFan Said:
American to host Buffalo in the CIT.

Not sure how this American team made a postseason tourney and the 2007 Bison didn't...



CIT didn't exist in 2007, and I think it was the first year of the CBI. If these tournaments weren't around today it would be very unlikely AU would be in the postseason either.
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norcalfan
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03-12-12 02:57 AM - Post#125449    

  • BUFan Said:
For the teams though, you'd have to imagine the NCAA picks up some of the tab.



Yes that would be the case. Family, friends and die hard fans get ripped off. They are playing on the emotions of those who want to see their sons play in a tournament. Greed.

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03-12-12 06:45 AM - Post#125455    

  • norcalfan Said:
  • BUFan Said:
For the teams though, you'd have to imagine the NCAA picks up some of the tab.



Yes that would be the case. Family, friends and die hard fans get ripped off. They are playing on the emotions of those who want to see their sons play in a tournament. Greed.



Blame the Greed on the airlines, they are the ones with the outrageous policy for last minute travel. I do not think the NIT/NCAA has any control over travel costs for family & fans, nor should they.
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03-12-12 06:49 AM - Post#125456    

I am not sure what to think about an Arizona match-up. On one hand you think you would be more likely to see a let down effort from a team that was really on the bubble and thought they might get in and are now disappointed to be in the NIT. But on the other side some of those teams will play with a chip on their shoulder.

Arizona knew it wouldn't make it unless it won it league tournament and they almost did. Losing the final to Colorado. We might be getting a team playing on a roll at the end of the year or we might be getting a team that was so close they could taste it and then came up short and didn't regroup in time.
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atlantabison
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03-12-12 07:04 AM - Post#125457    

  • AU_Hoops Said:
  • BUFan Said:
American to host Buffalo in the CIT.

Not sure how this American team made a postseason tourney and the 2007 Bison didn't...



CIT didn't exist in 2007, and I think it was the first year of the CBI. If these tournaments weren't around today it would be very unlikely AU would be in the postseason either.



Interesting that the CIT has zero big six conference teams and the CBI only three by my quick count. These tournaments do seem to provide mid-majors with something the NIT is not willing to or not interested in.
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03-12-12 09:22 AM - Post#125465    

I do know that teams have to PAY to host games in the CBI and the CIT. It's actually a pretty steep fee. It's actually probably cheaper to play a road game in those tournaments than hosting one. I only know this because Navy was possibly going to be in one in 2009 (when we went 19-11) and the fee to host was astronomical, and there was NO WAY we could match the requirement for money made from the game.

In the history of the tournament, there has been ZERO schools from a power-six conference to be in the tournament, and was expanded to 32 teams this year for some reason. The only criteria is a winning record, since they obviously don't care much about facilities (hence American hosting) or anything else.
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03-12-12 09:30 AM - Post#125468    

Yes, first round fee for the CBI last year was $30,000 - escalating to a much larger amount for the second round. CIT reportedly costs at least $25,000 for the first round.

AU may well have been given the choice of either hosting or not getting a bid at all, since, as you say, a lot of teams don't want to host since they will likely lose money. For example, URI lost $25,000 last year hosting the first round of the CBI - which created some controversy given that URI's athletic program was already losing a lot of money.

An AU fan on the HC board said that the PL now has a deal where the league will share AU's costs. I had not heard that and I'm not sure of the source.



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03-13-12 11:49 PM - Post#125840    

I was the one who mentioned that on the AU board. I've heard that from a few people close to various programs, although I couldn't pinpoint any particular official source unfortunately. If it's true, I think it's a step in the right direction for the PL and good news for all its members. Example: At one point I do remember John Feinstein mentioning that AU received a CIT invite last year but turned it down due to the cost. In the five years of the CBI and four years of the CIT this is the first time a PL school has participated in either.
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03-14-12 10:38 AM - Post#125877    

I'd rather we sit out the also-ran tourneys and stick with the two classics.

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03-14-12 05:50 PM - Post#126025    

I don't really have a problem with it. I do think they should have some kind of minimum average attendance threshold for the season that needs to be met in order to use any league money.
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Bison137
03-14-12 06:13 PM - Post#126027    

I'm not sure how much money the PL puts up, but I would not be happy if the league gives a big subsidy to any of the schools who don't draw well to allow them to play in a third-tier tournament.



Bison137
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Bison137
03-15-12 12:22 AM - Post#126139    

American lost by 17 points tonight in front of an official crowd of 256. They probably netted about $2500 - which leaves them (and possibly the PL) with a loss in the neighborhood of $25,000.



BUPilot
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BUPilot
03-15-12 12:39 AM - Post#126144    

That type of a financial hit should put a quick end to PL teams signing up to host any future games in those tournaments.
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Bison137
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Bison137
03-15-12 12:51 AM - Post#126146    

  • BUPilot Said:
That type of a financial hit should put a quick end to PL teams signing up to host any future games in those tournaments.



Generally agree. However Bucknell likely wouldn't take a big loss as a host. Without students, I think BU could likely draw at least 2500 - with a net of $20,000 on ticket sales plus concessions. Might lose some money, but probably not a large amount. If the PL is indeed contributing, then they might break even.



PLHoopsFan
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03-15-12 10:37 AM - Post#126208    

After last night's debacle at American in front of 256 brave souls, my guess is the PL pulls out of any "support" for any team that wants to play in those tournaments.

I know Navy will also only stick to the classics... Personally, these tournaments are a joke.
Bison89
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03-15-12 01:00 PM - Post#126250    

256??? I thought that 256 was a typo, and the real number was 2,560. Unbelievable. . .
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Bison137
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Bison137
03-15-12 08:34 PM - Post#126408    

  • Bison89 Said:
256??? I thought that 256 was a typo, and the real number was 2,560. Unbelievable. . .




Here's an article from the Washington Post - complete with three "crowd" pictures - on the sparse attendance at Bender.


American University draws non-crowd for CIT opener



BUPilot
Masters Student
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BUPilot
03-15-12 08:53 PM - Post#126415    

I'm sorry but those pictures and that type of "attendance" is simply pathetic for a "post season tournament".

I wonder if the A.U. fans will start blaming the PL for lack of community interest in their games.
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mattie g
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03-15-12 09:10 PM - Post#126422    

I remember the first time I walked into Bender during grad school - I honestly thought I was in the wrong place and had mistakenly found my way to a local high school gym.




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