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91Quake Junior Posts 249 |
04-19-12 12:11 PM - Post#128494
just posted: GoodmanCBS profile GoodmanCBS Sources told CBSSports.com Illinois St. Tim Jankovich not only one in play with SMU & Larry Brown. Penn's Jerome Allen also in mix. |
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penn62 Masters Student Posts 924 |
04-19-12 12:14 PM - Post#128495
Link? |
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Quakers03 Postdoc Posts 3101 |
04-19-12 12:14 PM - Post#128496
Are we going to have to deal with this every year assuming Jerome can keep winning? Would he even think about it at this point? |
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91Quake Junior Posts 249 |
04-19-12 12:15 PM - Post#128497
http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_na me=Goodman... |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2118 |
04-19-12 12:25 PM - Post#128498
A chance to learn from Brown is a pretty huge opportunity. But it sounds like Jankovich is guaranteed the head coaching position when Brown leaves. It does seem puzzling. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 2726 |
04-19-12 12:30 PM - Post#128499
LB coached Allen with the Pacers. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 8696 |
04-19-12 12:45 PM - Post#128500
Leaving loyalty aside (and since when is that considered in college basketball), this would make a lot of sense for Jerome. He took one of the bottom 10 teams in the country to 20 wins in a year and a half and almost certainly will take a step back this year. To go be an assistant to Larry Brown for 2 years and then get a head job at SMU is his best track to the big time. I am assuming, of course, that he gets first assistant---a 2nd assistant's job is a non-starter. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2118 |
04-19-12 12:57 PM - Post#128501
LB coached Allen with the Pacers. I was wondering about that but was too lazy to look it up. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2118 |
04-19-12 12:58 PM - Post#128502
I am assuming, of course, that he gets first assistant---a 2nd assistant's job is a non-starter. As I said, I think Jankovich is the coach in waiting, which would make Jerome second assistant. |
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besnoah Senior Posts 331 |
04-19-12 01:02 PM - Post#128503
I believe this report is suggesting that Allen and Jankovich are up for the same spot, which would be the first assistant spot. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 8696 |
04-19-12 01:09 PM - Post#128504
Yes, I'm pretty sure what that means. It is ludicrous to suggest that Jerome should accept a 2nd assistant's position with SMU at this point. The other guy may have the first track, but I think Jerome is being considered only in lieu of his declining (or not being offered) the position. |
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fdiapmf Junior Posts 248 |
04-19-12 01:51 PM - Post#128506
Can Jerome win an ivy title first, too many people on this board want to anoint jerome as being a great coach |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 8696 |
04-19-12 01:57 PM - Post#128507
Hey, I understand how you might argue that he hasn't proven anything yet. That's not the issue. What's at issue is whether he is more marketable right now than he might be in 2 or 3 years. To an outsider, his improvement of a team that has not had a major influx of new talent has to be seen as good coaching. So right now, he looks pretty good---this coming year will be a challenge. So if he thinking of going big time, this has to be something to be considered. That being said, I would be shocked if he took the job, even if offered. |
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Howard Gensler Postdoc Posts 3980 |
04-19-12 02:21 PM - Post#128509
How is SMU big time? How many years in the past 30 has SMU been better than Penn? |
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10Q Professor Posts 6203 |
04-19-12 02:26 PM - Post#128510
B'emet Howard. Who would even want to coach stinking SMU. |
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besnoah Senior Posts 331 |
04-19-12 02:30 PM - Post#128511
Well, team quality notwithstanding, they are moving to the Big East in 2013 which I think most would acknowledge as being a pretty big time basketball conference. |
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Condor PhD Student Posts 1252 |
04-19-12 02:56 PM - Post#128512
Without Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, and possibly others, they will not be as "big" as they were. |
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besnoah Senior Posts 331 |
04-19-12 03:01 PM - Post#128513
They're going to remain a top 3 conference, nationally. This isn't a no-brainer but, if the money's much better and he's actually the coach in waiting, it's a major opportunity for Jerome much earlier than would have otherwise been expected. |
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Condor PhD Student Posts 1252 |
04-19-12 03:04 PM - Post#128514
I really don't see how moving to a lower tier program, moving to assistant coach from head coach, and working for a 71 year old coach, notwithstanding the legend status, is a step up. |
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Condor PhD Student Posts 1252 |
04-19-12 03:06 PM - Post#128515
They're going to remain a top 3 conference, nationally. Probably not in the long term. |
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TheLine PhD Student Posts 1242 |
04-19-12 03:06 PM - Post#128516
Could it be that Allen is in the mix because Brown wants him to be in the mix and not because there is mutual interest? Leaving the Penn head coaching position to be an assistant at SMU seems a step down, no? The wilderness years are over, right? I'd be downright urinated if Amaker can turn down BCS head coaching positions and Allen is seriously thinking about the SMU assistant position. Even if the position comes with a "you'll be the head in a couple of years" semi-guarantee. |
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10Q Professor Posts 6203 |
04-19-12 03:10 PM - Post#128518
He would also be leaving his alma mater where he is loved. This makes no sense for Jerome. If he wins an Ivy title or 2 in the next 3 years, his market value will be higher. Then, I wouldn't be shocked if he moved on. |
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besnoah Senior Posts 331 |
04-19-12 03:11 PM - Post#128519
In the post-Dunphy (2007-2012) era, Penn's been ahead of SMU in KenPom twice (the only post-Dunphy title year, and last year). A lot of that is because Miller ruined everything and is the worst coach in the history of the program. Some of that is because, while SMU's a bad C-USA program, it's lows are not quite as low as a bad Ivy program. Moving to a top assistant spot, working under Larry Brown (and really, how long will LB actually stay there? Will he make it two years?) and having an opportunity to be a head coach of a Big East program are all things that should appeal to a competitive guy like Jerome. I'd prefer he not take the job because I think he's done good work so far at Penn and I think he's an incredible ambassador for the school, but I wouldn't begrudge him the move. It's not like he's flirting with Fairfield. |
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besnoah Senior Posts 331 |
04-19-12 03:14 PM - Post#128520
I'm flabbergasted that people think a basketball conference with UConn, Georgetown, Villanova, Louisville, Temple, and Memphis isn't going to be a top 3 conference annually. Losing Syracuse and Pitt hurts the Big East but it's still going to be annually competitive with the ACC and Big Ten. |
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Mike Porter PhD Student Posts 1577 
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04-19-12 03:18 PM - Post#128521
Sydney Johnson took the HEAD coaching position at Fairfield. Regardless of the "potential" of becoming the head coach at SMU in a few years it would absolutely be worse if Coach Allen left Penn for an ASSISTANT coaching job. |
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TheLine PhD Student Posts 1242 |
04-19-12 03:18 PM - Post#128522
C'mon, don't compare the Miller years with anything. That's ridiculous. And isn't the head at Fairfield better than the first chair at SMU? BTW, I don't begrudge Syd his move, he was dealing with stuff at Princeton he grew tired of. I get the impression that Jerome has a carte blanche at Penn compared to what the Princeton HC has to put up with. |
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91Quake Junior Posts 249 |
04-19-12 05:17 PM - Post#128524
Well, looks like it ain't happening and hopefully we have many years of Coach Allen on the Penn bench: http://espn.go.com/dallas/ncb/story/_/id /7833478/s... |
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pchrystie Masters Student Posts 653 |
04-19-12 06:13 PM - Post#128527
But Jerome should call him to set up the home-and-home... |
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Howard Gensler Postdoc Posts 3980 |
04-19-12 07:31 PM - Post#128529
It's not like he's flirting with Fairfield. Fairfield was WAY better job. |
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Howard Gensler Postdoc Posts 3980 |
04-19-12 10:26 PM - Post#128531
Can anyone explain what the Big (not even close to) East is going to look like in 2014. Football will be crazy with some cross-country trips to San Diego St. or Boise St. But I think travel for a basketball team like SMU is going to be exhausting. Except for Tulsa, are they going to have any flights less than 3 hours? And is any fan going to get excited about a schedule with no natural rivalries? The way I kind of envision their schedule it would be like Penn playing a home game on Monday, a road game in Iowa Thursday, another road game in Minnesota on Saturday and then flying back for a home game on Monday, one on Thursday, then a road game in Missouri on Saturday. Ugh. |
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penn nation Postdoc Posts 3748 |
04-19-12 10:40 PM - Post#128534
Given these challenges, I hereby propose they change their name to the Big Whoop Conference. 'Cuz it certainly aint East. |
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gopenngo Freshman Posts 84 |
04-20-12 01:41 AM - Post#128536
The Big "10" has how many? And how "Southeast" is Missouri? |
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Condor PhD Student Posts 1252 |
04-20-12 08:08 AM - Post#128539
For basketball, my guess is that there will be two regular season playing groups: 1) SMU, Houston, UCF, Memphis, Louisville, South Florida, Marquette, and Depaul 2) Temple, Rutgers, UConn, Cincinnati, Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John’s, and Villanova The BE tournament will probably still be at MSG. Things could still change a great deal if UConn, Rutgers, Louisville, and Marquette choose to leave. One thing is certain; SMU, Houston, and UCF do not equal Syracuse, Pitt, and WVU. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 2726 |
04-20-12 09:01 AM - Post#128541
Fine, that's certain... but Temple's pretty great. The Big East is going to be fine. That they have a ludicrous name is their problem. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2118 |
04-20-12 09:05 AM - Post#128542
Didn't the Big 10 set the precedent for ludicrous outdated names as the norm? |
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QHoops Sophomore Posts 167 |
04-20-12 09:52 AM - Post#128546
Even more ludicrous: The Big East has said that the two divisions will be called East and West. |
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weinhauers_ghost Senior Posts 330 |
04-20-12 10:19 AM - Post#128548
I really hate what football-driven conference realignments are doing to college basketball. |
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Howard Gensler Postdoc Posts 3980 |
04-20-12 10:43 AM - Post#128549
For basketball, my guess is that there will be two regular season playing groups: 1) SMU, Houston, UCF, Memphis, Louisville, South Florida, Marquette, and Depaul 2) Temple, Rutgers, UConn, Cincinnati, Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John’s, and Villanova The BE tournament will probably still be at MSG. Switch Cincinnati and South Florida and it really makes option 2) an eastern conference, it sets up a natural rivalry with Cincy and nearby Louisville and it gives the eastern teams one three hour-flight to at least cut into some of the travel disparity of the "western" conference. |
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Condor PhD Student Posts 1252 |
04-20-12 10:48 AM - Post#128550
Actually, that should have been Louisville and Cincinnati, not Marquette. In any case, the conference really changes shape when you lose teams like Syracuse, Pitt, and WVU. While Temple and Memphis are good in BB, they don't bring historically good FB programs to the league. OTOH, SMU is just a reach. They are certainly investing money, but hiring Larry Brown with another coach in waiting seems somewhat desperate. In the end, I think that losing Syr, Pitt, WVU along with the other schools they have already lost and may lose in the future will cost the remaining teams when it comes to recruiting. I expect the "Big East East and the "Big East West," or is it the "Big West East," to fall below the other majors. |
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Tiger69 Masters Student Posts 531 |
04-21-12 10:34 AM - Post#128565
If it makes you feel better to compare leaving for SMU with leaving for Fairfield, so be it. But, the basic issues are the same -- money and expanded opportunity. I think that the guesses about the reasons for Sidney's departure were mostly on track. Even if this current rumor doesn't stand up, eventually a successful Ivy coach, aberrations like Pete Carril aside, will move on to more lucrative and higher profile positions. I have no problem with that. Both the Ps have had a succession of very fine coaches with only occasional exceptions. It is sad to lose a good coach, especially one with a strong school connection, but there plenty of new ones waiting in the wings for their chance to show their skills. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Masters Student Posts 762 
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04-23-12 11:06 AM - Post#128650
Moving to a top assistant spot, working under Larry Brown (and really, how long will LB actually stay there? Will he make it two years?) and having an opportunity to be a head coach of a Big East program are all things that should appeal to a competitive guy like Jerome. And then there's the money. He could get a pay raise. This is the salary structure at University of Maryland, per an article in the Post. First assistant probably makes more than any Ivy coach except perhaps Amaker. Hill, a first-year assistant coach: $300,000 salary and fees; $37,440 for relocation, auto and cellphone. Spinelli, a first-year assistant coach: $200,000 salary and fees; $27,440 for relocation, auto and cellphone. Ranson, a second-year assistant coach: $170,000 salary and fees; $7,440 for auto and cell phone. Clark, director of basketball operations: $100,00 base salary; $17,440 for relocation, auto and cell phone. |
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penn62 Masters Student Posts 924 |
04-23-12 06:05 PM - Post#128667
...and I went to law school! |
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penn nation Postdoc Posts 3748 |
04-26-12 05:00 PM - Post#128731
Looks like Jerome will be staying in Philly, although that's quite a salary jump he turned down--if he got to that stage.... Jankovich to SMU |
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1st UP Sophomore Posts 175 |
04-27-12 06:06 PM - Post#128769
Very, very, very good news. |
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