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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 
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02-28-15 08:45 PM - Post#183954
Quakers ride a shockingly hot (especially for them) start to a halftime lead. Who ever heard of a James Jones coached team committing only one foul in 20 minutes? Gotta love those Ivy Saturday nights. |
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tguru Masters Student Posts 409 |
02-28-15 08:52 PM - Post#183955
The best Penn has looked in a while. Good early defense w/o DNH. Everybody see the slashing moves by Woods and Hicks? 26'er from SJ. Shot clock tre from Hicks. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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02-28-15 09:08 PM - Post#183957
Ball obviously knocked out of bounds off Cotton. Baseline ref three feet away blows call anyway. Refs refuse to go to replay to fix for fear of embarrassing him. |
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tguru Masters Student Posts 409 |
02-28-15 09:10 PM - Post#183959
Horrific strip of Woods by Sears. Ouch! |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21247 |
02-28-15 09:12 PM - Post#183960
Woods has looked good tonight, though. Certainly better than Sears, at least to this point. |
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tguru Masters Student Posts 409 |
02-28-15 09:19 PM - Post#183962
Woods has looked good tonight, though. Certainly better than Sears, at least to this point. Look, I like Woods more than life itself but sometimes he just isn't vigilant enough.And where was THIS Penn team the past few weeks? |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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02-28-15 09:25 PM - Post#183964
Only 7 TOs through 30 minutes. Amazing how competitive you can be when you don't waste possessions. |
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tguru Masters Student Posts 409 |
02-28-15 09:26 PM - Post#183965
Absolutely brain dead pass from Tony to Auger. And pretty floater from A. Woods. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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02-28-15 09:26 PM - Post#183966
As soon as I post that, Tony commits one of his classic bonehead TOs. |
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tguru Masters Student Posts 409 |
02-28-15 09:32 PM - Post#183968
Stunning jump/hook from Auger!JKeep defending. |
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tguru Masters Student Posts 409 |
02-28-15 09:35 PM - Post#183969
Montague pulls one out of his....oh well. |
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tguru Masters Student Posts 409 |
02-28-15 09:36 PM - Post#183970
Another Hick's forced entry pass. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-28-15 09:43 PM - Post#183971
The end game play was as good as ever. Only 3 more games and then maybe we can get a coach who can give the team a chance. That 26 foot 3 from woods as the shot clock expired said it all. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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02-28-15 09:46 PM - Post#183972
Well there's your key sequence: down one, Woods misses front end of one-and-one. Duren then takes a really dumb long contested 2, but Sears gets the offensive rebound in traffic and kicks it to Montague, who nails the uncontested three. Sears may have just sealed it,taking DNH off the dribble from the perimeter for the traditional three-point play. |
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tguru Masters Student Posts 409 |
02-28-15 09:52 PM - Post#183974
Looking at the postgame line no Greg, no Dylan, no Cam saw play?????Telling???Whatsu p? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21247 |
02-28-15 10:06 PM - Post#183975
Look, it's not like that group would have been any better. Turnovers were down-way down. Woods was quite good until late. Sam Jones hit a couple of nice threes. DNH actually had some hops in this game--a welcome change. We got killed on the boards, but that probably would have been the case against Yale no matter who we put out there. |
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section110 Masters Student Posts 847 |
02-28-15 10:21 PM - Post#183977
I think Woods wore down, so a few minutes for Cam might have helped. Really appreciated the defensive job Auger did when he was on Sears. |
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tguru Masters Student Posts 409 |
02-28-15 10:39 PM - Post#183979
Look, it's not like that group would have been any better. I can understand your reply but I never meant to imply their absence was outrageous. Simply that this was probably the first time this troika did not play minute one. Had to be a reason. |
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Ted Junior Posts 222 |
03-01-15 09:32 AM - Post#183993
Another all time record broken last night - 7 Ivy losses in a row. Sheesh. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
03-01-15 09:45 AM - Post#183994
Woods is now averaging more assists per game than Jerome Allen did as a freshman (maybe that's not fair, since Jerome was playing with Paul Chambers). Not bad. Only Rosen averaged more as a freshman that I can remember. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32859 |
03-01-15 10:06 AM - Post#183997
Freshman records usually mean that your team stinks. That's the reason you are playing freshmen. Dunphy, moreover, played freshmen only in limited capacities. So Ibby played very little and didn't handle the ball much as a freshman. He learned from the Charlie Copp disaster that it just couldn't be done compatible with winning at the Ivy level. Woods is a nice player. Hopefully, he will find stardom with a good coach. I'm pessimistic that we will be back to competitiveness within his 4 years. Jerome has to win 2 of his last 3 to avoid the 3rd straight 20 loss season. Very very impressive---no other Penn coach even attained 20 losses once. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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03-01-15 11:42 AM - Post#184002
We're not being fair to Lon Jourdet, who probably could have done it with his late 30s/early 40s teams if he had been able to suit them up for the modern era's 28-30+ game seasons. As it was Lon was never allowed to schedule more than 18 games in a single campaign. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32859 |
03-01-15 11:47 AM - Post#184004
You're not going to mention Jerome's performance in the same breath as the GREAT LON JOURDET, are you? True, he had two seasons of 5-12 and 5-13, but he had seasons of 18-2, 15-1 and 22-1 consecutively. He had a significant positive winning percentage for his career. No, Jerome stands alone. http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/pennsy... |
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section110 Masters Student Posts 847 |
03-01-15 12:22 PM - Post#184007
And our only national championship! |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21247 |
03-01-15 01:10 PM - Post#184012
I thought Louis Jourdan just died. Oh wait a minute... |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
03-01-15 01:44 PM - Post#184013
I'm pessimistic about a complete turnaround within 4 years as well. I do like Woods' potential to become a complete player, though. We'll see. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
 03-01-15 03:37 PM - Post#184024
I think Calipari at Kentucky would argue with the idea that Freshman records are for bad teams. I understand your point but when your team is playing poorly for the 3rd straight year you can criticize, rightfully, any part of the program. Woods is legitimately pretty good. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21247 |
03-01-15 03:49 PM - Post#184027
Apples and oranges. At Kentucky, some of those freshmen may leave after a year to go pro. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32859 |
03-01-15 03:55 PM - Post#184028
I did say freshmen at our level. KY plays pros. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32859 |
03-01-15 08:00 PM - Post#184041
Now That Was Basketball: http://penngazettesports.com/2012/12/07/the-long-j ... |
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Penn90 Masters Student Posts 575
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03-01-15 08:50 PM - Post#184047
My daughter graduates high school in 2019 and I sincerely hope she attends Penn later that year. For the first time I actually doubt Penn hoops will be good when/if she matriculates.
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
03-01-15 08:55 PM - Post#184048
Its not apples and oranges outside of Kentucky. There are freshman playing significant minutes on many of the teams in many of the conferences, pros or not. Its just a fact in today's game that good freshman in basketball are more ready to play than years past. Ohio State, Michigan, Northwestern, St Louis, Georgetown, Dayton, Stanford, Belmont,Florida State, Fordham, Iona, Vanderbilt, Maryland, all have freshman playing significant minutes. Columbia, Princeton and Dartmouth also have freshman playing in addition to the Quakers. There are many signs of weakness in a program and playing freshman CAN be one of them, its definitely not a leading indicator IMO. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32859 |
03-01-15 09:30 PM - Post#184055
With all due respect, you are wrong. At our level, having significant freshmen minutes means you stink and are in a full rebuild. Contrary to your point, no Ivy team has more than 1 freshman playing more than 10 minutes a game...except for Penn. Columbia has 1, Dartmouth has zero, Princeton has 1...so contrary to your point, they don't play a lot of freshman. Having a single freshman playing minutes is not consistent with your point. Just to continue, Yale has 1 freshman playing more than 10 minutes, Brown has 1 (barely), Cornell has zero and Harvard has zero. Penn, on the other hand has FOUR. We play by far and away play the most freshman---over 5X as many freshman minutes as any other Ivy team. And, we stink. At our level, meaning, non-scholarship mid-major, playing a lot of freshman is indicative of being a bad team. While you may recruit one real solid player ready to play, Ivy players in general are not ready to play major minutes as freshmen. You simply cannot compare Maryland or Kentucky...even Northwestern (which wouldn't play so many freshmen if they weren't in a rebuild either)--money programs play money players. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
03-01-15 10:56 PM - Post#184060
"Our level"? You mean division 1? With all due respect there are dozens of examples across college basketball (all divisions, scholarship and non-scholarship) of freshmen playing significant minutes (10+ a game). Now, in your most recent post you clarified your point a little more, which I tend to agree with, which is playing multiple freshmen isn't a great sign (Kentucky/Duke, et al excluded). But playing 1-2 freshman regular minutes is a normal course of business and there are plenty of examples, Ivy league included. |
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Penn90 Masters Student Posts 575
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03-01-15 11:20 PM - Post#184061
Further to P38's point, a lot of those other schools have players leaving after a year or two or three. Obviously that's not the case in the Ivies because no one's entering the draft early. It follows that seniors are more physically mature and court savvy than freshmen. So the fact that an Ivy team plays one freshman could mean he is talented or they have a talent gap in a certain position. When four freshmen get significant playing time it means the upper classmen are terrible or are non-existent. Both scenarios are true with Penn, which is the 76ers of Division I.
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
03-02-15 12:00 AM - Post#184062
I would say SOME of those other schools have players leaving. Definitely not all. There are a lot of D2 and D3 schools who are very competitive who play some freshman. My point is there are freshmen now who are capable of playing significant minutes. I agree you can't have 4 freshmen playing but Sears and Saunders played heavy minutes as freshmen. And remember, guys like Auger are freshman by class, not by age. I believe he is a post grad so is the age of a sophomore. Your (and P38) point is that you can't win with several freshman (and in Penn's case 4) playing a lot of minutes and I agree with that. My point is that 1-2 freshmen playing significant minutes is not at all uncommon for even top Ivy teams. The champion of the Ivies will certainly be senior laden teams, that makes sense. It doesn't mean it will always be the case, but I think that's true today. |
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QuakerShaker Freshman Posts 59 |
03-02-15 12:51 AM - Post#184063
As I've said, this is the kind of effort we get when we give serious minutes to Sam and keep Auger in the game, and don't play DNH or Lewis. Shocking how long DNH and Lewis remained in the starting lineup. Good effort on Saturday guys. This is a good freshman crew (Woods, Sam, Matt, Foreman) that should have been rotating with Howard / Hicks.
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