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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3614 |
03-14-15 09:55 PM - Post#186027
If Yale blows a chance to make the NCAAs but has no fans to see it, did they really even blow if?!? Sorry can't help myself but still amazed this is a deadzone. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4894 |
03-14-15 11:10 PM - Post#186037
There's probably a secret Eli club with decoder rings where they discuss Ivy hoops and rowing. Scull and Jones. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1871 |
03-15-15 12:14 AM - Post#186046
There appeared to be a lot of Yalies at today's game--may have been more than they get in a season at that church they play in. Maybe they spread rumors in New Haven that the Whiffenpoofs were singing at the Palestra. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2801 |
03-15-15 11:25 AM - Post#186069
Most of us are either old geezers or approaching it. Yale's old geezers have no good memories of basketball to reminisce about. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32682 |
03-15-15 10:00 PM - Post#186204
I thought that the Ivy champ in a playoff game was guaranteed a NIT slot. Yale not in it. Anyone with knowledge needs to explain this. |
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Kit Senior Posts 380 |
03-15-15 10:24 PM - Post#186205
Did Penn go to the NIT in 1996? The Ivy runner-up does not have an automatic bid to the NIT. |
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Bruno PhD Student Posts 1414 |
03-15-15 10:26 PM - Post#186206
I don't get it. A number of teams ranked way lower than Yale got a slot. Bucknell is a 139 / 202 on rpi/kpom. St. Francis is a 178 / 151. yale's a 62 / 74. Plus I'd think having Yale in there would be compelling storytelling. I guess the nice thing about being the NIT is that you have to answer to no one. And don't have to make any sense.
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whitakk Masters Student Posts 523 |
03-15-15 10:30 PM - Post#186207
1-seeds in their conference tournament get automatic bids to the NIT (including Bucknell and St. Francis). The Ivy League's playoff loser does not get an automatic bid, in part because it doesn't designate a 1-seed. (Even so, it's not clear who would've been the '1-seed' in this year's playoff.) Yale is ahead of only three at-large NIT teams in KenPom (assuming more in RPI but didn't check), and George Washington / Pitt are right behind. UTEP is the real puzzler from a KenPom rankings standpoint, way down at 97. |
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Kit Senior Posts 380 |
03-15-15 10:31 PM - Post#186208
The NIT is run by the NCAA. St.Francis(NY) and Bucknell were #1 seeds in their respective tourneys and lost. Thus, they automatically qualify for the NIT, |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32682 |
03-16-15 06:57 AM - Post#186231
That rule was implemented in 2005, after the NCAA bought the NIT. It was not in place in 1996. The Ivies really get screwed if an awarded 1st place team that loses a playoff doesn't get an automatic NIT bid, but conferences that are ranked lower get that treatment. |
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Penn94 PhD Student Posts 1461 |
03-17-15 10:23 AM - Post#186505
Did Penn go to the NIT in 1996? The Ivy runner-up does not have an automatic bid to the NIT. Not relevant. The NIT did not start giving auto bids to "conference champions" that didn't win the NCAA bid until after this date. This just goes to show you that all people who cheer "Ivy Champions" as ones that tie for the title but don't win the playoffs are cheering on frauds. The true Ivy champs go to the NCAA tournament. |
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Kit Senior Posts 380 |
03-17-15 11:15 AM - Post#186511
Actually, the NIT gives auto bids to #1 seeds, not conference champions, who lose their tournament. In the Colonial Athletic Association there was a four-way tie for first place. Only William & Mary received an auto bid to the NIT. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
03-17-15 05:45 PM - Post#186583
To be fair, I noticed a 1996 Ivy Co-Champs banner hanging in the rafters of The Palestra on Saturday. I thought it was a little odd given the Penn faithful's stance on this topic. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4894 |
03-17-15 08:01 PM - Post#186611
Regardless of any pettifoggery about whether Yale qualified under the "lost the conference tourney" rubric, it seems pretty odd that the NIT wouldn't have wanted this Yale team for quality's sake. They even have two promotable stars, which the media seem to prefer over more-balanced teams. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3044 |
03-17-15 09:56 PM - Post#186641
I agree, Yale had a very good team, as well as interesting players. Not only do you have POY Sears, COY Jones, 1st Team All-Ivy Duren, but you get Rhodes Scholar Townsend. With regards to past Ivy history in the NIT for co-champs, Penn was not invited in 1996. Yale did go in 2002 after losing the final playoff game against Penn. Sad to read this ending to the story at the New Haven Register, http://www.nhregister.com/sports/20150315/yale- snu...
A disappointed Jones said the fact that there's no real history of Yale basketball or the Ivy League in the tournament hurts the chances more than anything else. "They don't know how good we are," Jones said. "We had a great year, one of the best Yale's ever had. If we can't get in this year, I don't know how we get in. It's disheartening." Seeing how most league commissioners lobby to get its teams into post-season tournaments, does the Ivy League leadership bear some responsibility for the snubbing of its co-champion? |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4894 |
03-17-15 10:23 PM - Post#186650
That is sad. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3614 |
03-19-15 12:22 AM - Post#186778
Yeah I know I posted this tongue in cheek, but man I didn't think they would get shafted out of the post season entirely. Definitely a deserving NIT team and they got hosed. How could they miss the CIT and CBI also? I think they could have won either. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3614 |
03-19-15 12:24 AM - Post#186779
And Duren sounded like such a great sport after. A real shame for those kids. |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2211 |
03-19-15 07:33 AM - Post#186791
To be fair, I noticed a 1996 Ivy Co-Champs banner hanging in the rafters of The Palestra on Saturday. I thought it was a little odd given the Penn faithful's stance on this topic. I think the athletic department is at odds with much of the Penn faithful on this one.
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2801 |
03-19-15 02:30 PM - Post#186826
I think that most fans agree that the playoff winner is the real Champ. However,1996 was a rather unusual case in that Penn had beaten Princeton in both of the regular season meetings. If the champion had been chosen by a tiebreaker formula such as the results of head to head competition, Pennsylvania would have been the Ivy Champ that year. I like the playoff if necessary and I hate ties. And if a playoff is necessary to determine our NCAA rep, let it also determine the uncontested league champion. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32682 |
03-20-15 09:06 AM - Post#186902
In light of the NIT auto bid rule, however, shouldn't we declare one to be league champ on a tiebreaker basis, but have a playoff in the case of a tied record for the NCAA bid? |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-20-15 02:09 PM - Post#186942
That would require our esteemed university presidents or Robin Harris to care. |
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Penn94 PhD Student Posts 1461 |
03-25-15 10:26 AM - Post#187172
To be fair, I noticed a 1996 Ivy Co-Champs banner hanging in the rafters of The Palestra on Saturday. I thought it was a little odd given the Penn faithful's stance on this topic. I think the athletic department is at odds with much of the Penn faithful on this one. Yep. If it were up to me, that banner would come down and be burned. |
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