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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-08-16 08:37 PM - Post#198884
For what it's worth, oddsmakers have Tigers as 5 1/2 pt. favorites tomorrow. Penn's big has given fits in the past so Miller and Brennan will have to be sharp. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4915 |
01-09-16 05:58 AM - Post#198890
In the Palestra, rivalry game. They'll be hustling like crazy and PU will have to come in with its own attitude to match. Agree about the big guys controlling Nelson-Henry. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32849 |
01-09-16 09:31 AM - Post#198892
Make sure that you guys come down and see it---a 4:30 game (actually a 2:00 DH). With the students still on break, this could be the lowest attended Penn-Princeton Palestra game in series history |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2816 |
01-09-16 12:39 PM - Post#198907
I'm not sure that would improve the atmosphere much. Many (most?) of us Tigers on this site have joined the Medicare generation. Of course, we can turn up our hearing aids and use our canes as noise-makers. |
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joe nassau Sophomore Posts 150 |
01-09-16 01:32 PM - Post#198911
Their big is slow as molasses so if I were PU I'd have Miller and Brennan run up the court ahead of him. Might score some easy baskets too...Of course PU won't do that as it's against the basketball orthodoxy that will remain until Pete Carril is gone? |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 02:27 PM - Post#198915
Joe, where have you been all season? The Tigers are leading the Ivies in scoring! I fully expect Mitch to press whatever advantage is there today. But I'm told Penn's big fella has lost about 500 pounds and moves better this year. |
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thelaird Freshman Posts 33 |
01-09-16 02:30 PM - Post#198917
In the fist game last year, Caruso drove to the basket for a lot of points and fouls. Wondering what the game plan is this year, should be interesting. |
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thelaird Freshman Posts 33 |
01-09-16 02:31 PM - Post#198918
Ummmm.... That should be first game.... |
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thelaird Freshman Posts 33 |
01-09-16 02:52 PM - Post#198923
I'm getting the feeling that this game will turn on defense. If Princeton plays great defense( no good look treys), they win by a lot. Good defense, they win, bad defense they might squeak it out. I think I'd be happy if DNH scores 17 points on 30% shooting, means the long ball is not falling for Penn |
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joe nassau Sophomore Posts 150 |
01-09-16 03:51 PM - Post#198932
I know that. It's just that this is one potential advantage that PU could have if they choose to utilize it? Pete Miller has had two flat-ish games in a row and could use the boost? Speaking of big guys am I the only one who thinks that Md's Diamond Stone sounds like a porn name? That's why they run a lot of back-door plays for him... |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 05:46 PM - Post#198948
Princeton with poor fundamentals early. Four times Tigers half left their feet, hung in air, tried to pass and thrown it away. You just can't do that. Down 7 early. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 05:53 PM - Post#198950
Penn is unconscious from deep. Even the big ugly hits one. Down 8. Bad feeling... |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 06:03 PM - Post#198954
Nice run. Tigers up 1. Bell with 13 points in 14 minutes. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 06:13 PM - Post#198958
Got up 7 then got sloppy again. Lead at 3 with a minute to play |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 06:17 PM - Post#198963
Bell is breaking ankles all over the floor with his wicked crossover. He's got 17 at the half as the Tigers lead by 7. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 06:34 PM - Post#198969
Flashback to Cooks freshman year with some wild drives and misses tonight. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 06:36 PM - Post#198972
Tigers going one on one and missing too many time tonight. Gotta clean it up. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 06:59 PM - Post#198986
Really sloppy tonight. Weiss blows an easy 2 on 1 break and bowls over defender. We are making Penns defense look better than it is. Down 2. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 07:00 PM - Post#198987
Have Tigers hit a 3 all half? Don't think so. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 07:04 PM - Post#198989
Weiss looks like a maniacs spinning and missing in the lane. Slow it down guys! Down 5 with 5 and a lab to play. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 07:05 PM - Post#198993
Now we're missing free throws. Acck! |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 07:07 PM - Post#198995
Everything going right for Penn. Getting crazy bounces. All over the court. Tigers need to really buckled down over last 4 minutes or they will be starting the season in a real hole. Down 8 now. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3675 |
01-09-16 07:10 PM - Post#199003
Penn coming up with every single 50/50 ball, leading to endless additional possessions and second-chance points. I think they've gotten 7 or 8 loose balls in a row now. MH has this same problem every Ivy slate. Guys just aren't fighting hard enough. Low energy almost every game. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 07:11 PM - Post#199008
Bell tries a circus move one on three and missed. Complete breakdown of discipline over the last 10 minutes. Bad game for Mitch. Terribly out coached today. The Princeton offense is completely missing and the one on one moves that have replaced it are not working. Very discouraging outing. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21225 |
01-09-16 07:16 PM - Post#199013
I frankly don't recognize your team. Everything is iso! We're the ones making the extra passes. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 07:25 PM - Post#199023
Is there a reason Young took Bell's free throws (0 for 2) instead of Canaday (who's shttoing 92%?). Brutal misses down 2 with a minute to play. I don't get it. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 07:29 PM - Post#199026
I don't either... |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21225 |
01-09-16 07:38 PM - Post#199037
I think Donahue got to select the shooter once Bell wasn't coming back out. |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1348 |
01-09-16 07:43 PM - Post#199045
I thought the substitute player has to shoot. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2697 |
01-09-16 07:51 PM - Post#199057
If the sub could shoot it then teams would have an incentive to fake an injury and substitute a great FT shooter from the bench. |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 587 |
01-09-16 07:54 PM - Post#199062
This game is like Making a Murderer |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2277 |
01-09-16 07:59 PM - Post#199068
Well, we won. I need a drink. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21225 |
01-09-16 08:01 PM - Post#199070
Um, that $50 you slipped the refs before the game worked wonders. We're the ones that will be having a hangover after this travesty. |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 587 |
01-09-16 08:01 PM - Post#199071
The better team doesn't always win |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-09-16 08:03 PM - Post#199074
Reminiscent of the kind of games Harvard pulled out of their behinds a few years back on their way to winning the league title. I'll take it but jeez.... |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 587 |
01-09-16 08:03 PM - Post#199076
How bad are the calls going to be at that crappy gym in jersey? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21225 |
01-09-16 08:04 PM - Post#199077
Pretty bad when you consider the calls went 25-14 for the opposition on your home court. Many questionable calls and non-calls tonight really hurt the Quakers. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3675 |
01-09-16 08:06 PM - Post#199078
We stole this game. Didn't deserve to win but did. Let the players celebrate as they should, but Penn was a FT away from ruining our entire season for the same reasons past MH teams have choked during conference play -- listless, low-energy play with no fire or focus. I really, really hope they learned their lesson. Props to Myles Stephens for the ice-water 4/4 FTs and the big strip on Silpe. Now let us never speak of this "win" ever again. |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 587 |
01-09-16 08:06 PM - Post#199079
That was worse than the nova game. At least nova is a good team, Princeton is awful |
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puband09 Masters Student Posts 782 |
01-09-16 08:06 PM - Post#199080
I couldn't find a Fox Sports feed and listened via WPRB. Can someone tell me what actually happened to Amir Bell? To what extent did it look like an intentional foul? Will he probably be back for our next game? |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2697 |
01-09-16 08:12 PM - Post#199084
Nothing intentional. Bell was fouled on a layup but he arched back to try and grab the rebound and collided with the Penn player who was actually grabbing the rebound. Bell's head was leading his reach and was low, below the Penn player's elbow. Not dirty at all. In fact, the foul was called on the shot, not on the rebound. Bell was definitely woozy and didn't return. |
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umbrellaman Masters Student Posts 476 |
01-09-16 08:16 PM - Post#199091
Concur with HDG on the Bell foul. Next League game is 20 days - my guess is he'll be ok by then. |
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joe nassau Sophomore Posts 150 |
01-09-16 08:23 PM - Post#199096
Well I have to say that I was actually impressed with PU 2day. They were a little lucky with some of the late Penn looks but they won even with several of their key players having flat shooting games...Of course finally making free throws didn't hurt? |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2277 |
01-09-16 08:25 PM - Post#199097
Pretty bad when you consider the calls went 25-14 for the opposition on your home court. Many questionable calls and non-calls tonight really hurt the Quakers. There is no question Penn played well, better than us for most of the game. But at the end of regulation and at end of overtime, Silpe seemed completely baffled as to what to do (other than dribble). I'm sure that will change with experience. |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 587 |
01-09-16 08:29 PM - Post#199100
Penn needs to play better defense on 7 vs 5 sets |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21225 |
01-09-16 08:32 PM - Post#199103
Yes. Most of the turnovers tonight came from putting the ball on the floor, with Silpe the worst offender. Silpe probably also had to wonder what was going on when he did drive, since most of the time he was getting hammered but no fouls were called. Probably was another factor in his trying to do too much in OT. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2816 |
01-09-16 09:11 PM - Post#199111
Glad I missed the game. I couldn't have taken it after the women's nail biter. As for the fouls, it seems like every time Penn loses a tight game to us, we hear the whines about officiating. How is it that we are so good at controlling the refs? |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4915 |
01-09-16 09:12 PM - Post#199112
The Penn whining about the officiating is unbelievable. Nelson-Henry got away with at least four uncalled obvious fouls, Weisz was repeatedly hacked without getting the call as noted by the commentators, and that play at the monitor where the ball went off Miller was an obvious foul on Foreman raking him across the arm. Home cooking all through the first half, one close make-up call at the end. I feel bad for Bell getting clocked in the head (twice in one play, first by Foreman's forearm on the drive and then by the other Penn guy bulldozing into him) because this was the first game I've seen where he looked like the stud I'd been expecting him to develop into. And I also don't understand people saying the Tigers looked sluggish. On the contrary, they looked rushed and overpumped at times; they got a ton of ORs in the first half and failed to convert them by hurrying. (As predicted near the top of this thread, Penn was hustling and flying around and got some favorable bounces on loose balls, but they weren't always the first one to the ball.) And this was one of Princeton's better efforts at blocking and bothering shots. But Penn did end up with too many second-chance points--if the Tigers box out that poorly against a Harvard or Yale they'll have real problems. I would have liked to see better half-court offense in the second half. Slowing it down like that (they were going really fast in the first half when they made their run) is only a good thing if you move the ball and make good cuts. Still, survive and advance. Cannady missed some big treys but they looked pretty good at launch and his overall confidence is refreshing. That floater into the zone when the chips were down was uber-impressive. He had every right to be bouncing and dancing after the game. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21225 |
01-09-16 09:27 PM - Post#199115
Sorry, but your team doesn't win without the refs constantly calling fouls against Penn but not Princeton throughout the game, particularly on drives to the basket. Princeton can't even make a FG during OT, but gets bailed out by the refs with 30 seconds to play. Please. Even your own fans know you shouldn't have won this game. And none of the Penn fouls were malicious, despite the way you want to paint it. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4915 |
01-09-16 09:29 PM - Post#199116
The officiating was no-call-city in the first half and Penn got away with tons of fouls. The next time Silpe drives without fouling with his off hand will be the first time, but he only got called once. You have nothing to complain about from the officials. |
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thelaird Freshman Posts 33 |
01-09-16 09:33 PM - Post#199117
The whinning from the Penn fans is unbelievable. Penn could have won, and probably should have won but didn't seem to know what to do with a lead. Three pointers going in for them in the first half and it looked like they didn't even try another one in the second half even when they had open looks. Bell go |
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thelaird Freshman Posts 33 |
01-09-16 09:35 PM - Post#199118
crushed on the rebound but didn't look intentional on the replay. He had an outstanding day. Really exceptional. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 |
01-09-16 09:38 PM - Post#199119
Foul count in the first half was 4 on Princeton (1 offensive), 7 on Penn (2 offensive). |
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thelaird Freshman Posts 33 |
01-09-16 09:42 PM - Post#199120
It did look like DNH got into The Tigers head. Seemed Princeton was looking for a blocked shot attempt even when he wasn't around the basket. The exception was Bell of course. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4915 |
01-09-16 10:39 PM - Post#199134
Given the way the game was being played, that was no-call city, as I said. Weisz got hacked on every offensive move. Caruso got knocked down a couple of times without a call. Bell scored and got hit but didn't get and-one a couple of times. Penn couldn't stay in front of the Princeton dribblers or rotate over in time to legally guard so they did what they could and got away with it for the most part. That was smart adaptation to the officiating. But it sure looked like home cooking from here. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 |
01-09-16 10:44 PM - Post#199135
Yeah, no. Only a homer could think there was home cooking. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2816 |
01-09-16 11:09 PM - Post#199137
We can all agree that the level of officiating in Ivy games often leaves something to be desired -- especially Saturday games. So, it seems natural that the losers in a close game will look to blame the officials. However, I don't accept that discrepancy in number of calls against each team indicates anything but the strategic necessity of one team to foul more than the other. There is nothing that says that PFs should be evenly divided. More likely, it is the less talented team that must foul more to neutralize its opponent's advantages. Bad officiating cuts both ways. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2277 |
01-09-16 11:23 PM - Post#199138
There is nothing that says that PFs should be evenly divided. Looks like an opportunity for Mike James to ride into town on a white horse of statistics and give us the Word on this. |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1348 |
01-09-16 11:23 PM - Post#199139
I couldn't find a Fox Sports feed and listened via WPRB. Can someone tell me what actually happened to Amir Bell? To what extent did it look like an intentional foul? Will he probably be back for our next game? Did not look intentional to me. Just a hard play. But like someone said, the Penn whining here is out of control. Tough loss for Penn, but it happens to everyone at times. Move on. |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1348 |
01-09-16 11:31 PM - Post#199142
If the sub could shoot it then teams would have an incentive to fake an injury and substitute a great FT shooter from the bench. The rule is the rule (if I'm wrong about the rule, feel free to correct). And there's not much incentive if the injured player has to sit out for a while. Although in this case there was clearly no advantage sought or gained. |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1348 |
01-10-16 01:22 AM - Post#199152
If the sub could shoot it then teams would have an incentive to fake an injury and substitute a great FT shooter from the bench. The rule is the rule (if I'm wrong about the rule, feel free to correct). Wiki says the rule is as follows; looks like the different opinions here reflect differences in college versus pros: If a player is injured upon being fouled and cannot shoot free throws, the offensive team may designate any player from the bench to shoot in the place of the injured player in college; in the NBA, the opposing team designates the player to shoot, and the injured player can't return, unless the foul committed was a flagrant, in which case the player's own team also gets to pick the replacement shooter. If a player fouled takes exception to the foul, and starts or participates in a fight, and gets ejected, he or she is not allowed to take his or her free throws, and the opposing team will choose a replacement shooter. In all other circumstances, the fouled player must shoot his or her own foul shots. Free Throws So PU designated the foul shooter, just not well. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-10-16 01:54 AM - Post#199155
That's what I thought and why I asked the question in the first place. Why didn't Mitch bring Canady in to take the FTs? Or was he already in the game at that point? I was listening on the radio in the car at that point so it wasn't clear who was on the floor. It sounded like he brought Canaday into the game on the next play so I assumed he was on the bench when Bell got hammered and could have come in to take the shots. |
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thelaird Freshman Posts 33 |
01-10-16 01:56 AM - Post#199156
Cannedy was in the game at that time. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2277 |
01-10-16 09:24 AM - Post#199162
It has taken me a while to think about this game; watching it was so engaging, confusing, draining. Miller worked very hard to defend DNH, and as the game wore on, gained some life of his own on offense. But on the other hand, Penn seemed content to start DNH out high and work to get to the low post; why not post him low to begin with? Amir Bell is all that and more. Move aside and give him the lane so if they get in his face he can drive. If that fails, he's got the pull up J! Weisz, Cannady and Caruso all were forcing shots, especially Caruso, who needs to realize when his low post moves are just not available. This is likely to be the case against Yale, Harvard and Brown. Miles Stephens: great game on both ends. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
01-10-16 11:35 AM - Post#199180
First, I think whichever team loses that game is going to complain about the officials. They were atrocious and both teams suffered and benefitted at key moments. I would expect a foul and subsequent free throw disparity for someone like Bell who was very athletic and difficult to guard. But he shot 6 FT for the game and Princeton shot 30 vs Penn's 11. 10 different Princeton players shot at least 2 FT and 3 Penn players shot 2 or more. 25-14 differential in personal fouls. That's a tough whistle for the home team. As far as whining about officials, Mitch Henderson is one of the bigger crybaby's I have seen walk the sidelines. To his credit, and my personal disgust, he worked the officials from start to finish. The contact that knocked Bell out of the game came from Jackson Donahue, one of the smallest players on the floor. I went up for the rebound and Bell got caught in the jaw with an elbow. It was unfortunate, but not intentional in any way. I hope he is ok. Great player. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
01-10-16 11:45 AM - Post#199184
As far as Penn getting the ball to DNH lower in the post, I thought Princeton played excellent defense after the first 11 minutes of the game and when DNH tried to establish the low post they fronted him and denied the passing lanes. It was tough to get it into him low. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2277 |
01-10-16 03:47 PM - Post#199212
As far as Penn getting the ball to DNH lower in the post, I thought Princeton played excellent defense after the first 11 minutes of the game and when DNH tried to establish the low post they fronted him and denied the passing lanes. It was tough to get it into him low. Isn't that where coaching comes in? There are multiple ways to respond to being fronted. Honestly I was happy when DNH came out for the high ball screen, because it took him out of the offense completely. Most of his turnovers occurred when he tried to do something with the ball 15 feet from the basket. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
01-10-16 11:19 PM - Post#199229
It's not coaching its execution. If the guards won't throw it into him or rotate it when he is fronted there is no coaching that can control that. I am sure SD wants the ball in DNH hands as deep,as he can get it. But you have to have guards who can make a post entry pass. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21225 |
01-10-16 11:54 PM - Post#199231
That is actually one of Silpe's main strengths. He has wonderful court vision and his passing is beautiful to watch. As others have mentioned, it did not suit Penn well to have him overdribbling, repeatedly, down the stretch. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2277 |
01-11-16 07:32 AM - Post#199236
It's not coaching its execution. If the guards won't throw it into him or rotate it when he is fronted there is no coaching that can control that. Here are some things I did not see him try: If the defender plays in front of you, "step-around" or "step-over" to get position to receive the pass. If the defender keeps moving around in front of you, keep moving the defender outside or up to the high post at the elbow. Then seal on the inside and quickly cut back-door for the lob pass to the hoop. Or face the defender, step into and across the defender's body with your outside foot and quickly reverse pivot, putting your butt back into the defender and seal for perfect post-up position. |
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jadwin Sophomore Posts 191 |
01-11-16 11:15 AM - Post#199248
There is a big difference between a coach working the officials to get an edge vs. fans "crying" about a loss due to referee calls. I understand that as fans we are disappointed when a team loses a very tough game therefore someone may respond emotionally and blame the refs but Penn had every opportunity to win this game independent of ref calls. A great coach from the past, always told his team that the results of the game are in your hands not in the hands of a ref so do not blame them when you lose, i.e. 4 for 11 from the FT line, 18 turnovers. It seems like Quaker and Lion fans are far more prone to blame referees and others for losses than other Ivy League teams based on postings on this web site over the years. With that said, the Penn players and coaches deserve much credit for give the Tigers everything they had -- it was very impressive. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32849 |
01-11-16 12:10 PM - Post#199252
I think if you look at it closely, Columbia people cry far far more about refereeing. What you are missing in your statement is that just about every Penn poster has stated that Penn blew the game--no one is blaming the loss on the refs. Notwithstanding the awful, one-sided calling of fouls on virtually identical plays and the 30-11 FT advantage, Penn still had an 11 point lead with 3 to go. No one to blame but ourselves for blowing that. Yes, you can look at one outrageous call like the final foul that handed Princeton the game on a rebound, but it never should have come to that. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
01-11-16 12:30 PM - Post#199256
Exactly. First, Mitch Henderson is a baby. He went beyond working the officials. He cried like a girl over every call that went against him, whether is was obvious or not. Second, Pointing out statistically significant variances of officiating is no where close to blaming officials for a loss. Penn lost the game by not making FT turning it over on key possessions. As I said in my original post the officials were atrocious both ways but the foul discrepancy was clearly in the Tigers favor. |
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Albert08 Masters Student Posts 574 |
01-11-16 01:20 PM - Post#199263
It sounds like you had Mitch miked up and had an earplug in your ear, so you could hear exactly what he was saying to the refs. Could you please give us some exact quotes of what he was saying, so we can confirm your claim? Thanks. |
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JadwinGeorge Senior Posts 357 |
01-11-16 01:27 PM - Post#199265
Why mention "statistically significant variances" if not to suggest the variances determined the game's outcome? It's actually very "close to blaming" the referees. For you to "go Trump" on Mitch Henderson is silly. To use palestra38's term, I remember an "outrageous" no-call at the end of the game two years ago when the Tigers came in at 12-2 and left The Cathedral 12-3. Stan Van Gundy, the TV color guy, was beside himself in disbelief. Sometimes you get a call; sometimes you don't. |
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mmp629 Junior Posts 259 |
01-11-16 02:35 PM - Post#199274
My husband and I went to the Palestra (yay me!)and it is an amazing and fun place to watch a game. I have nothing to say about the officiating as I am a homer all the way. Anyway, this is the second game I have seen and I love the pace at which the team plays - so much fun as fan. Amir Bell was just unbelievable. Here are my questions: how much room do the coaches get in being on the playing floor during the game? Sometimes it seemed like the Penn coach was on the floor with the players. Second, how much time do teams get before they have to break from a huddle after a timeout? Can teams ever get a technical for taking too long? Go tigers! |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1891 |
01-11-16 03:08 PM - Post#199277
Thank you, Penn fans, for reminding us why we used to hate you guys so much when you fielded a good team. I hope your new/old coach restores the luster to your once proud program so we can hate you guys again in the future. I remember fondly the acrimony, large crowds (sometimes accompanied by fights over your roll out messages), etc of the rivalry. And I always enjoy the failing plumbing, peeling paint, and funky smells of your "cathedral." |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2816 |
01-11-16 03:16 PM - Post#199283
In fairness to PennFan10, while he was watching MH, he confused the whining and crying from the Penn fans around him with what he thought he heard coming from Mitch across the court. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32849 |
01-11-16 03:27 PM - Post#199289
The Palestra has received a top to bottom renovation since the last time Penn was good. Jadwin on the other hand resembles the ruins of the NY World's Fair---a walk behind the curtain and it brings back all the charm of Spacely Sprockets. |
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jadwin Sophomore Posts 191 |
01-11-16 03:27 PM - Post#199290
First, Mitch Henderson is a baby. He went beyond working the officials. He cried like a girl over every call that went against him, whether is was obvious or not. Tough to argue with the above logic. Your comment reminds me of phone calls to 94.1 radio after an Eagles loss on Monday morning to provide context as to why the Birds lost while driving down to the City of Brotherly Love. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
01-11-16 03:34 PM - Post#199291
It seems like Quaker and Lion fans are far more prone to blame referees and others for losses than other Ivy League teams based on postings on this web site over the years. Here are some of the gems from Princeton fans 2 years ago, using the exact same "we should have won anyway but" qualifiers
From where I was sitting, there were several horrible non calls on Penn down the stretch. Total homer reffing.
I thought it was fairly officiated (with 50/50 calls going both ways) until the final minute or so. That Barrett non-call was egregious and game-changing. Stan Van Gundy kept hammering at it as well.
I disagree Chip. Penn was fouling every trip down the court for a long stretch of the second half, while Penn was turning the ball over. There were several really outrageous non calls on Penn down the stretch.
There was nothing 50-50 about the non-call on Barrett's shot in the lane after his OR or the free peek Penn at Princeton's out of bounds play.
Equating a standard block/charge call with an obvious rake across Barrett's arm is silly. Van Gundy couldn't stop talking about it either ("Clearly missed that foul...obvious foul there...gotta call that foul..."). And yes, I realize that 99.9% fans will always deny getting any "home cooking" whatsoever and deny that any call had anything to do with any game's outcome, even if it's by a single basket. And then this gem today a whole two years later:
He, and I, remember all too well going there at 12-2 two years ago. When an egregious no-call on a Will Barrett shot ended the game not one Penn poster refused to count the game as a win for the Quakers. Maybe the reason it looks like these two fanbases complain more is because there are more of them actually involved in the conversation? |
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jadwin Sophomore Posts 191 |
01-11-16 03:56 PM - Post#199297
Same standard should apply as to not using referee calls for losing a game for both Quaker and Tiger fans. In my opinion, it is wrong both ways and you have made a good point. Any independent objective viewer of this website postings would see an excessive amount of whining by some Quaker and Lion fans not only for referee calls but for many other topics. It would probably require more disc space to attach all of the examples just over the past two years. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2816 |
01-11-16 04:35 PM - Post#199301
Hey, I'm retired and currently sitting on my a** in Mexico. So, while perhaps pathetic, it is somewhat understandable that I waste perfectly good time posting to this board. But you, Quacker03, must have better things to do than entertain us old bucks with your methodical rants. Are you, by chance, an attorney? |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4915 |
01-11-16 09:27 PM - Post#199317
Each and every one of Quaker03's quotations is obviously a defensive response by a Princeton fan to a Penn fan's claim of getting jobbed by the refs. They are all reactive. He is proving the point he attempts to refute very effectively. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2816 |
01-12-16 12:13 AM - Post#199342
I say, everybody have a beer. This is, after all, a kid's game. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21225 |
01-12-16 12:39 AM - Post#199345
I guess for you water's not an option given where you're now living. Enjoy finding las cuchrachas in your bed as you get confused when watching Les Tigres playing futbol. |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214 |
01-13-16 12:14 AM - Post#199426
And I always enjoy the failing plumbing, peeling paint, and funky smells of your "cathedral." And you'd kill to have one just like it. In fairness, I'd love to have a athletic facility like Jadwin, too. I just wouldn't play basketball in it.
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214 |
01-13-16 01:32 AM - Post#199427
My husband and I went to the Palestra (yay me!)and it is an amazing and fun place to watch a game. I have nothing to say about the officiating as I am a homer all the way. Anyway, this is the second game I have seen and I love the pace at which the team plays - so much fun as fan. Amir Bell was just unbelievable. Here are my questions: how much room do the coaches get in being on the playing floor during the game? Sometimes it seemed like the Penn coach was on the floor with the players. Second, how much time do teams get before they have to break from a huddle after a timeout? Can teams ever get a technical for taking too long? Go tigers! Hi, MMP, 1.) Strictly, the coach is never supposed to be out of the box while play is in progress. The ref is supposed to warn him once, then call a technical. As you've probably noticed, this isn't enforced. I think the only times it actually gets called are when the coach gets in the way of the play, or is berating the officials or committing some other unsportsmanlike act. If you think that rule is tough, assistant coaches aren't allowed to stand at all during play except to briefly celebrate when good things happen for their team (this seems to be more adhered to.) 2.) The horn goes off 15 seconds before any timeout ends, and then a second time when it actually ends. Again, strictly speaking, the team should begin heading back into play immediately when the second horn goes off. The same applies at the beginning of any period (except that the horn only sounds once there.) Again, as you've probably noticed, they tend to string it out for a while longer. A technical can also be called for this; I'm a little confused as to whether a warning is required first or not. Personally, in light of the discussion on the Penn board about how long games take to finish, I think that if the team throwing the ball in takes too long to break from a timeout, the ref should just start the five-second count, and if the team defending the throw-in takes too long, the ref should just give the other team the ball and let them start.
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mmp629 Junior Posts 259 |
01-13-16 09:50 AM - Post#199431
Thank you dperry! |
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