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TigerFan
PhD Student
Posts 1871
03-13-16 09:37 PM - Post#204378    

I bleed orange and am focused on the NIT this week but suppose I'll admit to my Yale graduate degree for at least a few days . There's almost always a 12-5 upset every year so maybe it will be the Bulldogs.
thelaird
Freshman
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thelaird
03-13-16 11:08 PM - Post#204388    

As a Princeton fan, I agree, go get'em Coach.
Tiger69
Postdoc
Posts 2801
03-14-16 12:37 PM - Post#204424    

BOOLA BOLLA. They need a little support from the rest of us. Justin Sears is a class guy. If only he had been a Tiger....
Old Bear
Postdoc
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03-14-16 05:55 PM - Post#204462    

Shouldn't this be on the P'ton Board?

SRP
Postdoc
Posts 4894
03-14-16 06:09 PM - Post#204465    

It was funny to hear the instant "analysis" from the TV hosts who didn't seem to know that Yale is strong inside and a tremendous rebounding team. Sure, Baylor has a lot of athletic bigs, but if they think they're going to overpower the Bulldogs they have another think coming. Foul trouble could be an issue, though, if the banging starts early.
bradley
PhD Student
Posts 1842
03-17-16 01:51 PM - Post#204777    

I agree that Yale's front line will battle them hard on the boards. If Yale does not play nervous, it should be a competitive game. Mason, Sears and Sherrod will hopefully give Baylor fits. Go Bulldogs.
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
03-17-16 04:47 PM - Post#204797    

Up 9 at the 12 minute timeout and the lead has been built with Sears and Sherrod on the bench. The home game nature of this matchup is about to really show itself. Are there any students there? They keep showing the goofy older-looking suspenders guys but I haven't seen the "Dawg pound" anywhere.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21086
03-17-16 04:56 PM - Post#204801    

Had a chance to go up 14 with a few close tip ins that did not fall. They just look like the better team out there, period.
TigerFan
PhD Student
Posts 1871
03-17-16 05:00 PM - Post#204802    

Ah fellas? Looks like Yale has a hell of a lot more coming back next year than I thought...
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
03-17-16 05:01 PM - Post#204803    

Makai Mason came to play today. Up 11 with 6:47.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21086
03-17-16 05:02 PM - Post#204804    

Right now Yale has two concerns:

1) Sherrod and Sears both with 4 fouls.

2) Team foul shooting down the stretch. Weren't really tested with this during Ivy play, but you have to wonder if this will end up being an achilles heel.
TigerFan
PhD Student
Posts 1871
03-17-16 05:03 PM - Post#204805    

When does Jones put Sears and Sherrod back in?
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
03-17-16 05:05 PM - Post#204806    

Lead could be down to 6. Think it's time to get Sears and Sherrod back in there James...
TigerFan
PhD Student
Posts 1871
03-17-16 05:05 PM - Post#204807    

Yale's FT shooting has been inconsistent this year. They shot them really well at Princeton.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21086
03-17-16 05:06 PM - Post#204808    

Well, you got your answer.
SomeGuy
Professor
Posts 6391
03-17-16 05:11 PM - Post#204810    

Well, Mason will be great, and Dallier and Downey will be fine. Filling two starter spots with guys who haven't played much will be the trick. And Dallier (or one of the new starters) will need to pick up a whole heck of a lot of scoring burden.

But that's next year. This year is still going on.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21086
03-17-16 05:14 PM - Post#204811    

What a tremendous defensive rejection, knowing he had 4 fouls. I mean that is Baylor's entire strategy at this point.
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
03-17-16 05:15 PM - Post#204812    

Yale can't get a shot off up 6 and then to make matters worse Mason fouls sending Baylor to the line without the clock moving. That could be big.
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
03-17-16 05:17 PM - Post#204813    

Sad that when the camera pans for Yale fans the best they can find are three staggered dudes. This is less than an hour and a half from campus...Sad.

Baylor gives it right back by fouling Mason after going only 1-2. Huge.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21086
03-17-16 05:20 PM - Post#204815    

Baylor with no time outs left. If Yale hits its FTs it should be in decent shape.

Edit: Check that, given Yale's idiotic turnover there.
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
03-17-16 05:21 PM - Post#204816    

We have some major choking going on. These inbounds plays are brutal. Mason gets bailed out on a foul call after Sears turned it over for a free 2 points for Baylor cutting the lead to 2.
palestra38
Professor
Posts 32685
03-17-16 05:23 PM - Post#204817    

Baylor gives it right back
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21086
03-17-16 05:23 PM - Post#204818    

Wow, Baylor got victimized by a pretty bad call during crunch time.
palestra38
Professor
Posts 32685
03-17-16 05:24 PM - Post#204819    

If you miss the foul shots.....
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
03-17-16 05:24 PM - Post#204820    

Sears cannot go 0-2 from the line there. How have his free throws not gotten any better? That is ugly.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21086
03-17-16 05:25 PM - Post#204821    

If you're Baylor, foul anyone except for Mason. If Yale doesn't win, Sears will rue those two misses.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21086
03-17-16 05:27 PM - Post#204822    

Anyone agree with me about that Baylor "charge" even though the defender was clearly not set?
TigerFan
PhD Student
Posts 1871
03-17-16 05:27 PM - Post#204823    

Ghosts of Providence Civic Center are stirring (First round 1-point losses in that ?*&!ing building in '76 and '89).
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21086
03-17-16 05:28 PM - Post#204824    

This has been quite a finish. Prince has really been strong down the stretch.
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
03-17-16 05:28 PM - Post#204825    

My buddy who took Baylor certainly does...
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
03-17-16 05:30 PM - Post#204826    

There is 0 chance Victor goes 2-2 here...none. Especially not after being iced like this.
palestra38
Professor
Posts 32685
03-17-16 05:32 PM - Post#204827    

Would you believe....a steal?
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
03-17-16 05:32 PM - Post#204828    

Wow are they lucky! Victor airballs a free throw, not letting the clock to start, and they get bailed out on a turnover. Another Ivy win coming.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21086
03-17-16 05:32 PM - Post#204829    

Like not even hitting the rim on his 2nd.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21086
03-17-16 05:33 PM - Post#204830    

Note the Yale fan wearing the "Harvard sucks" cap.
palestra38
Professor
Posts 32685
03-17-16 05:34 PM - Post#204832    

Nice to see Ivy wins pretty regularly in the Tournament.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21086
03-17-16 05:36 PM - Post#204835    

Yale survived (barely) down the stretch despite some turnovers and bad FT shooting that could have doomed them.
TigerFan
PhD Student
Posts 1871
03-17-16 05:36 PM - Post#204836    

Love the hat!
TigerFan
PhD Student
Posts 1871
03-17-16 05:37 PM - Post#204837    

Ghosts of Providence exorcised!
gokinsmen
Postdoc
Posts 3634
03-17-16 05:46 PM - Post#204839    

The CBS crew didn't mention this, but Wainwright's foot was out-of-bounds when he "saved" the ball for the layup. But Yale overcame that as good teams do.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21086
03-17-16 05:49 PM - Post#204840    

Even though Sears was the victim of that TO, he still used his head by trying to shield Wainright from the ball instead of trying to directly battle with him for it. With 4 fouls, a direct battle could have been disastrous.
section110
Masters Student
Posts 847
03-17-16 05:50 PM - Post#204841    

The tv announcers agreed it was a charge. The replay showed the Baylor guy lowered his shoulder into the defender. Gutsy & good call.
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers
03-17-16 05:55 PM - Post#204842    

So does this mean the Yale backcourt is still pedestrian?

gopenngo
Masters Student
Posts 487
03-17-16 06:44 PM - Post#204843    

Only when compared to Woods/Silpe/Jackson.
Old Bear
Postdoc
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03-17-16 08:06 PM - Post#204847    

It seems to me that the gurus on these Boards said Yale didn't have a bench. Sherrod and Sears were limited in the 2nd half, Mason was controlled, and Victor can't shoot. How did they win?
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21086
03-17-16 08:17 PM - Post#204849    

  • Old Bear Said:
Mason was controlled



I must have been watching a different feed.

SomeGuy
Professor
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03-17-16 08:18 PM - Post#204850    

You beat me to it.

Quite a performance by Mason.
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
03-17-16 09:25 PM - Post#204856    

Mason had the game of his life. He carried his team on his back big time. Without him Baylor goes up big in the first half and without his free throw shooting they win in the 2nd half. Pretty impressive performance. Sears shot 7-10 and they needed every bit of it, but Mason was the star today. Good for them.
SomeGuy
Professor
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03-17-16 11:05 PM - Post#204860    

And while I am a proponent of Donahue's 3s and lay ups strategy, the 2 point jumpers off the dribble under tight defensive pressure were certainly huge this afternoon.


SomeGuy
Professor
Posts 6391
03-17-16 11:07 PM - Post#204862    

Yes. It's also nice to keep seeing wins where the Ivy simply looks like the better team. That win today wasn't particularly lucky or gimmicky.
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers
03-18-16 01:37 AM - Post#204863    

I thought Mason played similar to how he did in the Columbia game at Levien, especially in the second half of that one.

SRP
Postdoc
Posts 4894
03-18-16 04:21 AM - Post#204866    

Same old Yale. They have a wide comfort zone and just play within themselves. They are tough, don't take off defensive possessions, and make great interior passes. Downey and Ferguson were amazing off the bench when the battleship and the cruiser (Sears and Sherrod) had to sit with fouls. Was anybody here surprised that Yale out-toughed Baylor mentally and physically? Knowing both teams, it was kind of what I expected, although the intra-Bear altercation surprised me; they had seemed to be more unified this year than last.

Also, I wonder if there isn't some kind of physical training story here because the Bulldog players seem to have terrific core strength despite not looking nearly as buffed-out as the Baylor players. It's like the Bears have put a lot of effort into showy biceps and triceps and shoulders but those comparatively slender Yale guys can't be moved off of their spots even when banged pretty hard. With the new rules about not putting your hands on guys defensively that seems to serve them well.

Finally, mid-range jumpers look pretty good when you shoot them better than most teams shoot layups. Mason loves that elbow jumper off the dribble and must have knocked down thousands of them in practice.
SomeGuy
Professor
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03-18-16 09:28 AM - Post#204878    

I also kind of liked hearing him on Sportcenter saying that he didn't have a very good year.
Old Bear
Postdoc
Posts 3988
03-18-16 01:23 PM - Post#204898    

Perhaps "controlled" was the wrong term. He had 17 pts. in the first half and 14 in the second, but 10 of those were from the line. On a poor foul shooting team, Mason was obviously the wrong one to foul. I did not mean to say that Mason was not effective, he was the best player on the floor. My point was that with Sears and Sherrod in foul trouble, the Yale Bench should get some props in this game.
SomeGuy
Professor
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03-18-16 01:46 PM - Post#204901    

Absolutely. Yale's lack of numerical depth is deceptive because they have quite a bit of versatility among their core 6 guys (the starters plus Downey), and somebody among their big 3 seems to always step up and carry the scoring load if somebody gets in foul trouble or has a bad game. And everybody who plays defends, even when they do have to get deeper into the bench. So while there is probably an exploitable weakness in there somewhere, it is very hard to get to it.

I really like Victor as a player -- he does a lot of the dirty work that makes everybody else better. He did make a huge mistake in taking that quick 3 from the corner down the stretch (negating a huge offensive rebound), and he had a bad turnover on a pass to nobody as well. I liked that they went ahead and took what Baylor gave them and got him the ball in the final 10 seconds, and that he made a very big free throw.


Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
03-18-16 02:07 PM - Post#204903    

  • SRP Said:
Also, I wonder if there isn't some kind of physical training story here because the Bulldog players seem to have terrific core strength despite not looking nearly as buffed-out as the Baylor players. It's like the Bears have put a lot of effort into showy biceps and triceps and shoulders but those comparatively slender Yale guys can't be moved off of their spots even when banged pretty hard. With the new rules about not putting your hands on guys defensively that seems to serve them well.



Well if there's one consistent theme to the types of players Jones has recruited and the style he has coached in his frontcourt, it's physical play, sometimes (actually often) to excess. Remember the late Josh Hill? You get used to getting banged hard everyday in practice.

weinhauers_ghost
Postdoc
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03-18-16 02:33 PM - Post#204905    

For overly enthusiastic physical play, how can you overlook Greg Mangano (who's been playing in Europe the past few years - in Turkey, Spain, Germany, Finland and most recently, Belgium)?
SomeGuy
Professor
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03-18-16 03:09 PM - Post#204913    

To put a slightly more positive spin on it, I think Yale under Jones develops big men better than any other program in the league.

They'll have a huge dropoff with Sears and Sherrod graduating up front, but you can pretty much assume that somebody will average 10 points and 6 rebounds for them. They always seem to have at least one of those guys.
bradley
PhD Student
Posts 1842
03-18-16 03:45 PM - Post#204920    

Yale did not always get a lot of "love" from some forum contributors during the course of the year --- i.e. no bench, pedestrian backcourt etc etc. Plus, they had virtually had no Yale fans to support their cause.

It certainly helps to have two of the three best players in the league plus Sherrod in the top five. Mason is just incredibly good and as Jones said in an interview, he thought that Makai would be a good Ivy League player but he is surprised as to how good he is.

Is it all that surprising that Yale beat Baylor with a 13-1 record --- a loss to the Tigers away and only one close game? Yale lost to SMU by 2 pts away and had Duke knotted up with 10 minutes to go. They are a very good team -- probably one of the best teams in the Ivies in a while.

Unfortunately, what will probably get them in the short or long run is their foul shooting.
Old Bear
Postdoc
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03-18-16 09:00 PM - Post#204946    

Victor is an enigma. He is an overachiever on D and rebounding. He has had some games when he has scored, but he is a horrible shooter. He's a 50+% FT shooter. How can you make the first of a one and one, and air-ball the next?
SomeGuy
Professor
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03-18-16 10:04 PM - Post#204954    

Well, it's even more enigmatic than that. Victor can shoot 3s. He just can't shoot free throws. He managed to hit 45% from 3 this year. An even stranger stat -- as a soph, he hit a higher percentage of 3s (.281) than free throws (.280).
SRP
Postdoc
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03-19-16 02:03 PM - Post#204993    

Wasn't Bruce Bowen of the Spurs like that?
bradley
PhD Student
Posts 1842
03-19-16 05:45 PM - Post#205029    

Coach K was so complimentary regarding Yale's performance post-game. Charles Barkley stated prior to the Baylor game that Yale would get killed and he completely changed his tune after today's game. Down by 27 pts to a very close and competitive game over the last 10 minutes. The Ivy League got a lot of good press this week that should help the League in the future as to seeding of teams.

Yale did a great job representing the Ivy League. They had a legitimate chance to get to the sweet 16. Unfortunately, Duke was unconscious in the first half and Yale, without Montague, could not hit 3 pointers.

Coach Jones really helped putting Yale on the map and I would not be the least bit surprised that their tournament play will help them on the recruiting front. Although they will lose a lot next year, it would not be surprised if they are playing in the inaugural Ivy League tournament as Mason will probably get even better. Coach K raved about him.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
03-19-16 06:22 PM - Post#205034    

Yep - well done by Yale and even though Penn is not good, it is great to see the quality of the league over the last 6 years.

I expect Mason to be a POY candidate as a junior and don't forget they have a 4* 6'9" frosh coming in who chose Yale over Clemson and South Carolina. If he can play right away Yale should be good.
Old Bear
Postdoc
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03-19-16 08:36 PM - Post#205041    

I have not been a James Jones in the past, but I am now. He Reppen' the league with class.
Bruno
PhD Student
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03-20-16 10:25 AM - Post#205063    

I thought this was a truly credible performance. I was proud to be an in the Ivy hoops hound this week.

Yale is really good, a really good college basketball team. Not just a great Ivy team. The combination of Sherrod and Mason and Sears was outstanding and this team's poise, effort and resolve was awesome.

I did not like Jones' fouling to get into the bonus in the final minutes - thought they needed to go for steals and not let them put points on the board. But in the end I think the right team won - Duke's a little better than Yale. (and how many years could you say that sentence with 'a little better'?)


LET'S go BRU-no (duh. nuh. nuh-nuh-nuh)

SomeGuy
Professor
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03-20-16 01:46 PM - Post#205069    

They may have fouled one too many, but down like they were, if you don't foul them when they did, you won't have the option later if you don't get the steal.
SRP
Postdoc
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03-20-16 02:27 PM - Post#205071    

The way Yale never gave up while absolutely pummeling Duke on the boards, in a game where Mason was not a scorer, against a team that took them seriously and had familiarity, deprived the media of all their facile story lines. They had to admit that Yale was just a good, tough basketball team, although I don't think they gave Sears, Sherrod, and Victor much individual love during the game. The parallel with Wichita State's similar rebounding and defense fueled near-comeback in the prior game was striking. Lots of guts by all four teams was shown in those two games.
SomeGuy
Professor
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03-20-16 06:05 PM - Post#205082    

Absolutely.

Though it struck me that some in the media didn't have it quite right in the Baylor game, when they were asking Baylor players about getting outrebounded after the game. Yale didn't actually outrebound Baylor in percentage terms -- they just got more total rebounds because Baylor missed more shots.

Yale outrebounded Duke though. And it was great to see them look like the same team playing against the high majors. You just can't take all three of those guys away. Duke made it hard for Sears and Mason, but that meant they had no answer for Sherrod.

Those were two fun games to watch.
Old Bear
Postdoc
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03-21-16 03:11 PM - Post#205142    

Does anyone think Montague might have made a difference?
SRP
Postdoc
Posts 4894
03-22-16 10:01 PM - Post#205211    

Hard to say. He couldn't have hurt on the offensive end. I think some of the guys playing instead of him may be marginally better defenders.
SomeGuy
Professor
Posts 6391
03-22-16 11:13 PM - Post#205221    

I think he'd make a difference. Duke's pressure on Mason and Sears was leaving Ghani and Phills open for 3s. If that is Montague, there's a better chance they go in, and a better chance Duke approaches things differently. Just as important, Montague takes some ball-handling pressure off Mason (though Dallier actually does a decent job bringing the ball up the court). Just having another guy helps too.i

Despite the fairly close result without Montague, I want to emphasize that making a difference doesn't mean beating Duke.



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