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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1171 |
03-16-16 09:32 AM - Post#204625
Not that we were ever in the running for his services, but holy crap am I glad we didn't try to hire him. Some pretty damning evidence here. What an absolute f***ing creep. http://deadspin.com/cal-investigation-fin ds-assist... |
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H78 PhD Student Posts 1458 
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03-20-16 03:47 PM - Post#205079
I know Yanni (Yann), and what I read in this article (and others) shocks and surprises me. It's not the guy I know. May I suggest before any of us get on our high horses, let's see what ultimately transpires. Seriously, a man's reputation is on the line, and before any of us start jumping on our soap boxes, let's see what actually comes out on all this. Please note, T.P.F.K.A.D.W., I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, just suggesting let's see how this all plays out before starting to cast stones. You may remember that I, among others, reserved our opinions on Tony Bagtas, and allowed that story to be played out. I think we can all agree that prior to this recent news, Yanni built up a strong enough resume, and reputation that we all held him in high regard. Let's allow this matter to be fully heard out before casting judgements, and certainly before calling anyone names, OK? |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 
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03-21-16 12:17 AM - Post#205104
Umm, he _was_ fired. What "playing out" are you expecting at this point? |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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03-21-16 01:24 PM - Post#205136
Furthermore, if the report is an accurate record of his testimony, he doesn't exactly paint himself in the best light. His defense is essentially, "Yeah, I came on to her, but she totally wanted it."
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4910 |
03-22-16 10:13 PM - Post#205216
The texts back and forth are not edifying. She sounds like she's desperately wriggling trying not to alienate her key source while still putting off his advances. Don't know why she was so dependent on one guy as a source, though. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
04-04-16 02:52 PM - Post#205735
A summary of Hufnagel's defense. http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2016/4/3/1135... Don't think it's going to trump the parking garage incident, which Hufnagel doesn't dispute and was either creepy or behavior unbecoming a guy you'd want to run your basketball program (take your pick). If you're feeling generous to Yanni (or is it Yann now?) you can point out that Rick Pitino still has his job. |
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20Penn14 Senior Posts 364 |
04-08-16 12:40 AM - Post#205888
And he resigns. http://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/article /Cal-ba... |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12530 |
04-09-16 02:05 AM - Post#205968
And is hired by Nevada. Wow. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
04-15-16 05:52 PM - Post#206198
The gift that keeps on giving: http://www.rgj.com/story/news/education/ 2016/04/15... |
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 3992 |
04-15-16 09:10 PM - Post#206202
May we assume that UNR is U N Reno, nor U of Nevada? |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
04-15-16 09:33 PM - Post#206203
Nevada Reno is commonly referred to simply as "Nevada" as opposed to UNLV |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
04-19-16 09:41 AM - Post#206315
Deadspin's take: http://deadspin.com/fired-cal-coach-who-a sked-repo... |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
04-20-16 07:51 PM - Post#206402
I may be missing something in terms of the chronology, but the quote by the President seems to say that Nevada didn't review this additional allegedly exculpatory information until after announcing the hire. That seems like an incredible lack of due diligence to me. To me, that says that Nevada wasn't interested in or concerned about the issue until faculty and students made it a big deal. Regardless of whether they think the information exonerates him, I think the fact they apparently didn't initially track this down and review it shows a larger systemic issue. I'm not at all surprised that Hufnagel is getting a second chance. I am amazed at how quickly the second chance came, and how it seems to come with the message that there wasn't an issue in the first place. That seems like the wrong message to send regarding somebody whose job is to teach young men. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
04-20-16 08:52 PM - Post#206403
Having read all of the various articles, I have come to the conclusion that Hufnagel is a schmuck. But many coaches are schmucks. The essential allegation is that after the female reporter rejected his advances, he gave her false information. She printed it, it was false and she got fired. (note: reporters are responsible for their own reports). Really schmucky thing to do, as was his continued pressure after she said no, but she wasn't a player, a student or anyone associated with the University. He didn't do anything criminal as far as I can tell. A-hole for sure. But am I missing something based on the fury directed against him? |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
04-20-16 11:11 PM - Post#206405
I may just have less tolerance for schmucks and A-holes! The only thing I would add, and I think it is important here, is that my understanding is that Cal made an initial determination that he violated their harassment policy. My point is simply that, if you are Nevada and you care about the issue, you do everything you possibly can to find out about what happened. It sounds like they more or less took his word for it, asked a few people who knew him, and then made the hire. With the appeal going on, it even sounds like they went out of their way to hurry up and make the announcement before their could be a further riot against him. Then they finally dug deeper when people started to (very predictably) raise a fuss. So my fury is mainly at Nevada here -- I think they behaved in a way that said that they didn't care even if he did do something that violated Cal's harassment policy. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
04-21-16 06:18 AM - Post#206407
Maybe I'm looking at this from a legal point of view, but how can he have violated any harassment policy when she was not associated with the University. Sexual harassment, by definition, requires some form of power or control. If they had a right to fire him, it is based on a general conduct clause (and his conduct was reprehensible). I can't see how this violated the University's sexual harassment policy, however, and I think he was likely to prevail on his administrative appeal. Indeed, it wouldn't totally surprise me if Cal was hopeful he would get another job, so it wouldn't have to defend the policy decision. |
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Jay O Masters Student Posts 547 |
04-21-16 08:02 AM - Post#206411
It sounds like you're saying that the university forbids sexual harassment if the victim is part of the Cal community proper, but shouldn't care if the victim isn't. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
04-21-16 10:03 AM - Post#206414
You add an editorial which is nothing close to what I said. I never said they shouldn't "care." But in order to fire him FOR CAUSE for a violation of the sexual harassment policy of the University, you have to follow that policy, which states that it covers only those affiliated with the University. They have the right to fire him and probably pay his remaining term for other reasons (unless this falls within the general conduct clause, which I doubt), but I am just looking at the legality of what they did. And as to that, I think he had a pretty good defense because she was not affiliated with the University. Yes, they should care. But if you want to fire someone for violation of a policy, the terms of that policy are controlling. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
04-21-16 11:00 AM - Post#206418
The reporter would be covered by harassment laws, at least in California. Her job required interaction with Cal employees, with the Cal employee able to exert control over her ability to do her job. I've gone through enough of the material from both sides to believe that Yann's behavior forced Cal's hand. UNR doesn't have the same liability that Cal has so it's less of a concern for them I guess. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3770 |
04-21-16 11:02 AM - Post#206419
Do we know if there's a civil suit in the works? |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
04-21-16 11:08 AM - Post#206420
Different issue. I'm just addressing the discharge for cause. |
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digamma Masters Student Posts 468 |
04-21-16 04:32 PM - Post#206436
You add an editorial which is nothing close to what I said. I never said they shouldn't "care." But in order to fire him FOR CAUSE for a violation of the sexual harassment policy of the University, you have to follow that policy, which states that it covers only those affiliated with the University. They have the right to fire him and probably pay his remaining term for other reasons (unless this falls within the general conduct clause, which I doubt), but I am just looking at the legality of what they did. And as to that, I think he had a pretty good defense because she was not affiliated with the University. Yes, they should care. But if you want to fire someone for violation of a policy, the terms of that policy are controlling. As I read the Policy (linked), the definition of University community is likely broad enough to cover the reporter. (Visitors to the campus are included.) Further complainants under the policy can be any person. The sort of weird thing is that I think you're correct that I'm not sure she would have any recourse under the policy, but I don't think there's anything that prevents her from reporting his conduct under it or for him being punished or terminated. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4910 |
04-21-16 06:27 PM - Post#206448
Lock up your daughters, Yanni's coming for a recruiting visit! Seriously, won't this tend to hurt his effectiveness somewhat? |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2691 |
04-21-16 07:15 PM - Post#206455
Not at Trump University! |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
04-21-16 10:30 PM - Post#206466
Well, I wouldn't send my sons to play for him. There may not be many folks who will feel that way, but if there are any, it hurts his effectiveness. Also, Dealing with the media obviously was part of the Cal job, and I can't imagine that he'll be as effective in that part of the job going forward (if he can doing t at all), as he's obviously lost a lot of credibility there. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
04-21-16 10:38 PM - Post#206467
It is entirely possible that you are correct and Cal overstepped its policy. Why assume that, though? You have another university taking action against a guy for violating their harassment policy. Cal presumably has more facts on this than you, or me, or Nevada. Why is the assumption that they got it wrong? Again, the disturbing thing to me is that Nevada doesn't even seem to have checked it out. Would you hire anyone who literally just got fired for violating his prior employer's harassment policy? Thinking about it as a lawyer, would you counsel a client to hire such a person? |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
04-22-16 08:35 AM - Post#206480
Why do we care about this creep, anyway? He's gone from the Ivies. Good riddance. This is a good example of what can happen when the desire to have something (here, big time bball prospects) clouds good judgement. |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1345 
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04-22-16 09:02 AM - Post#206481
Thinking about it as a lawyer, would you counsel a client to hire such a person? While we agree on the answer, the reality is that the question is what you would advise the client to do when he/she comes to you and says they have already hired this person, what should they do now? |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
04-22-16 09:47 AM - Post#206483
The reality is any affect on Yanni will be short lived. people will forget about it in short order. I would guess that virtually no one on here can cite the reasons any assistant coach in the Ivy's left another position to come to their current job. Unfortunately, if people can forget about what Kobe did in Colorado and cheer him the way they did in the finale, they will forget Yann Hufnagel and the reasons he "almost got fired from Cal" fairly quickly. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-23-17 05:50 PM - Post#228038
Saw a report on hoopdirt that Yann Hufnagel is "no longer a coach at Nevada" http://www.rgj.com/story/sports/college/ nevada/201... That didn't take long. Also, about the time this happened I saw a report that Eric Mussleman, HC at Nevada, was a candidate for the Cal job....and then yesterday he withdrew his name from consideration. Interesting developments. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4910 |
03-23-17 06:06 PM - Post#228040
Another candidate, I can't remember who, also bailed on the Cal job. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3770 |
03-23-17 08:34 PM - Post#228050
That's always struck me as a job that has failure baked into it. |
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