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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
12-31-16 03:11 PM - Post#217113
Thought there was already a thread but I didn't see one so... Middlesex Magic AAU team tweeted Cormac Ryan has over 30 offers and recently visited Penn, Yale, Stanford, and Villanova. He may be a long shot but at least we are getting some consideration. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
12-31-16 05:08 PM - Post#217123
Wow. I loved his video. He would be one of the best all around players in a long time. I tried to think of Penn players he reminded me of, but in almost every case you would have needed to start the sentence with "a more athletic version of" or "a better shooting..." Players that came to mind were Jerry Simon, Tim Begley, Jeff Schiffner, Ira Bowman, Andy Toole, Barry Pierce, Caleb Wood... Undoubtedly would be a great prospect. We could win championships with him, our 2017 recruits, and Brodeur. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
01-01-17 06:18 PM - Post#217161
Happy New Year everyone! Saw this article on Twitter whete 2018 target Isaiah Kelly (3 or 4 Star, top 200 type player with P5 interest) is still mentioning Penn among many options (HYP mentioned also): http://www.phenomhoopreport.com/news_article/show/... |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-11-17 12:00 AM - Post#221309
Check out these two names and the season Smyrna is putting together in DE: Caleb Wood and Zubui Nwankwo. My buddy has some friends who are very involved in the DE high school sports world so he shared some interesting updates. I understand that we don't want to tell the whole world who we're recruiting but would it hurt for some of the Penn insiders to share what they know once in a while? We usually get our info from out of the Penn world. It sounds like Caleb, a great shooter and their big scorer from a farm in DE, has an offer from Temple already. Zubui (pronounced Zubi) is 7'2 and came over from Nigeria and just moved here this season from Kentucky. He has played for 4 years and just soaks up rebounds, blocks and points around the basket. My buddy was at his game last night and said his free throw form leads one to believe that there's basketball talent in his raw skill and while a project, he could really turn into a player. I think his line last night was 11-15-7. He went up against a top rated recruit over winter break and the 6'10 kid didn't know what hit him. His dad is a prof at Del St and very much wants his son to get a good education...The story below mentions his younger brother too but he went back to KY. They're the number one team in DE and will be favored to win state. Both apparently visited and Steve has been down there. Caleb and Zubui -Smyrna and Clayton Sun Times |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 |
02-11-17 12:10 AM - Post#221311
Sounds like Steve is looking for his next Jeff Foote. |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
02-11-17 12:44 AM - Post#221315
Sounds like Steve is looking for his next Jeff Foote. Or the next Caleb Wood. |
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gopenngo Masters Student Posts 487 |
02-11-17 02:56 AM - Post#221320
This Caleb is actually Matthews. (I auto-correct too, even when it's turned off.) |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-11-17 04:41 AM - Post#221321
Him too. Knew that would happen at least once. Sorry about that. Wood needs the extra pub nowadays. There's certainly video of these two out there if really interested. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
02-19-17 04:57 PM - Post#222564
From earlier this week, another 2018 with a HM offer list: Julius Kim UPenn will be in today to see 2018 G Noah Locke of @McDMBasketball, per source. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
03-05-17 03:42 PM - Post#225050
TeamMeloBasketball High on list for Melo 2018 G Noah Locke K.State, Marquette,Florida,Xavier, Providence,Butler St.Joe's,Stanford,Penn Julius Kim†2019 guard Jalen Rucker of Team Melo will take an unofficial visit to #UPenn tomorrow, per a source. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
03-05-17 05:46 PM - Post#225112
From the outside we definitely seem to be in with some very high level 2018 prospects. Its still early, but let's hope we can land a few! |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
04-17-17 11:10 AM - Post#228760
Per VC we've offered Siddiq Bey, two-star SG from Sidwell Friends (other offers incl. Temple and URI). |
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20Penn14 Senior Posts 364 |
04-17-17 11:28 AM - Post#228761
If he went to Sidwell Friends, that means Bey was a high school teammate of Jelani Williams. |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1348 |
04-17-17 01:02 PM - Post#228764
If he went to Sidwell Friends, that means Bey was a high school teammate of Jelani Williams. He was - "Batman and Robin" Siddiq Bey - Washington Post |
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yoyo Senior Posts 365 |
04-20-17 10:33 AM - Post#228819
Has Robby Carmody signed with the Quakers yet? |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
04-20-17 05:55 PM - Post#228824
Not sure if this is just a Carmody joke at Sparman's expense, genuine curiosity or something else, but Robby Carmody is a consensus Top 100 player with Butler, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc. offers. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
04-20-17 07:21 PM - Post#228826
David Singleton, whom Penn had offered, committed to UCLA. Chip Miller Bishop Montgomery (CA) 2018 four-star guard David Singleton just committed to UCLA and head coach Steve Alford. |
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Penn90 Masters Student Posts 575 |
04-20-17 10:13 PM - Post#228828
Is LaVar Ball okay with that?
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
04-20-17 11:12 PM - Post#228832
Actually sort of an interesting question: http://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/var sity-t... |
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nychoops Junior Posts 244 |
05-03-17 11:31 AM - Post#229022
Name I've heard more than a few times recently that Penn has serious interest in is Riley Battin at of Oak Park HS |
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yoyo Senior Posts 365 |
05-03-17 12:44 PM - Post#229026
pretty impressive list of suitors. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
05-03-17 01:00 PM - Post#229027
That it is. Is there any reason to believe that Mr. Battin has any interest in Penn? |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
05-03-17 01:13 PM - Post#229028
I'd be mildly surprised if he didn't end up in the Ivy League. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
05-03-17 07:20 PM - Post#229034
Penn channeling George Clinton today vis a vis "the funk" JerseyShoreWarriors†Univ of Penn offers Andrew Funk |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
05-04-17 03:29 AM - Post#229039
Wow. A lot of teams around the country could use Battin. He's got a lot of tools. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
05-04-17 08:55 AM - Post#229042
There's an interview with 4-Star junior Cormac Ryan, where he discusses the main teams in the running in his recruitment. Unfortunately, Penn is not on that list. Yale, where his brother is a sophomore, is in that core group with Notre Dame, Michigan, Stanford, Villanova and Northwestern. http://villanova.247sports.com/Article/Catching-Up... |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
05-04-17 10:19 AM - Post#229044
Penn also apparently offered Andrew Taylor, a guard from Kentucky, last night. http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/andrew-taylor |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
05-07-17 02:26 PM - Post#229126
DeAnte' Mitchell†Wichita Southeast (KS) SG Israel Barnes '18 received an offer from Penn Only other offers appear to be Tulsa and Texas Tech. |
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yoyo Senior Posts 365 |
05-08-17 12:32 PM - Post#229138
https://twitter.com/Ilb_12?ref_src=twsrc% 5Egoogle%... We can work on the name of the institution after he commits. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
05-08-17 05:11 PM - Post#229150
His AAU team, Mokan Elite, is one of the top programs in the country. Based out KC |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
05-08-17 10:00 PM - Post#229154
Team Loaded NC 2018 6'5 SG Trey Wertz of Providence Day has received an offer from Penn |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
05-10-17 09:11 AM - Post#229161
Don't know what are chances are, but interesting update form the St. Joes board on Matt Cotton: Re: 2 recruits on campus... Monday at 10:34 PM JameericleOn54th wrote: PH4L- Where does Matt Cottons recruitment stand? SJU is still very much in the picture... Matt is doing an engineering internship at UPenn right now... |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
05-10-17 09:32 AM - Post#229162
It's too early to tell where this is heading but at least Coach Donahue is being aggressive with his recruiting. It's a step in the right direction. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
05-10-17 10:39 AM - Post#229168
Until Jameer or Delonte Jr come to Penn, i shall never forgive SJU for Stachitas. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
05-10-17 12:33 PM - Post#229180
LeBron's half brother is coming to Penn? |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
05-22-17 03:00 PM - Post#229557
Per Verbal Commits, Penn made an offer to Ryan Young, a 2 Star 6'10" 210 lbs. PF from Stewartsville, NJ and attends Bethlehem Catholic. He has following offers: Ivy - Penn, Columbia, Yale Patriot - Bucknell, Colgate, Lehigh, Lafayette, Navy, American, Boston Unviersity A-10 - St. Joe's, La Salle, Richmond, Duquesne CAA - Delaware, William & Mary, Towson, Elon, Drexel Northeast - Mt. St. Mary's America East - Stony Brook, New Hampshire A link from last year http://www.ncsasports.org/mens-basketball-recru iti... |
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10Q Professor Posts 23492 |
05-22-17 04:31 PM - Post#229558
You can never have enough 2 Stars. |
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mbaprof Senior Posts 346 |
05-22-17 05:18 PM - Post#229560
See his self written profile below, looks like he grew from 6 7 to 6 10 and is an alter boy and wants to study business, we should have a good shot at him My name is Ryan Young, I'm currently a 6'7" rising junior playing AAU basketball for the Jersey Shore Warriors. I attend Bethlehem Catholic HS in Bethlehem PA. I aim to continue playing at the collegiate level regardless of the division or location. I would like to attend a college that would excel in helping me pursue a career in business. I feel that I would be a strong asset to your team because of my basketball IQ, coach-able attitude, and 110% effort I bring to the court every time I play. I believe these attributes are what earned me the captain position of numerous teams I have been a part of in the past. I have been appointed captain of my basketball, football, volleyball, and lacrosse teams by my coaches and teammates. I believe that that says a lot about my character and what I bring to the team. Academically I have been in all honors classes since middle school and have a GPA of 3.2/4.0. I also participate in several groups at school like key club and peer listeners club, I volunteer regularly with my family locally, and I am an alter server at my church. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
05-22-17 05:41 PM - Post#229563
3.2 GPA and Yale made him an offer? Times really have changed. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21272 |
05-22-17 06:37 PM - Post#229564
Out in Bethlehem they're killing time Filling out forms Standing in line PS Altar server; alter kocker |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2818 |
05-23-17 04:58 AM - Post#229566
Oh, he's ADORABLE. My Mom would have loved him. Member of Key Club and Peer Listeners, and he wants to be a businessman! What a dreamer! |
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SteveChop PhD Student Posts 1156 |
05-23-17 11:28 AM - Post#229572
Well, at least that means he won't be going to Princeton's non-existent business school. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
05-23-17 11:59 AM - Post#229573
Since when does Yale have an undergraduate business major program? They are recruiting the kid. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
05-23-17 12:06 PM - Post#229574
They're probably pitching a degree in economics. It's not the same as a business degree, but he might go for it. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2818 |
05-23-17 09:30 PM - Post#229594
True that. A lot of the biz courses that I took (at another institution of higher learning) were dumbed down liberal arts courses (Marketing, Organizational Behavior, Bus. Psych., etc.). |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21272 |
05-23-17 10:51 PM - Post#229596
Interesting. My one Wharton course (Legal Studies) definitely benefited from the humanistic and liberal arts themes sprinkled throughout. Not surprisingly, I was told later that it was the most "unWharton"ish course that existed. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
05-24-17 08:44 AM - Post#229606
With Murray Dolfman? I took that course too. He was a hoot. I can still recite the definition of consideration, so I guess I learned something. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
05-24-17 09:01 AM - Post#229608
So we all took the same course. I took 2 other Wharton courses. One was heavy in mathematical modeling so easy to ace for an engineering student in a room full of Whartonites. Another was in public planning, which was very fascinating but of course no Whartonites took it. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21272 |
05-24-17 09:31 AM - Post#229609
With Bauer, although others took with Dolfman. I loved the course--he used Socratic method in a large room and was an active participant. I really hated my Talmud courses in high school (2 forty minute periods for four years...still don't care for it after all of these years) but that training really came in handy for that course and I aced it. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
05-24-17 09:53 AM - Post#229615
My favorite Socratic method story is at Columbia, where the stern Hans Smit taught Federal Civil Procedure 1 (I had Ruth Bader Ginsberg for II---snore). He worked off a seating chart and called on people, probably checking off those who have answered and moving onto others. Before classes started, the seating chart was on the wall in the hallway and students were required to put their name on a particular seat. Well, not every seat was filled in that class and some joker wrote in "P. Ness" in one unfilled box. You can guess what happened. Smit got around to that box and asked a question, calling out, "What do you think about that, Mr. Ness? Mr. Ness? Is there a P. Ness in the classroom?" Snickers all around...and the Teutonic glare glazed over and he chuckled and said, "OK, you think that's funny?" He then destroyed the class with rapid fire Socratic questions for the next half-hour, with Kingsfield-like putdowns after each student got the answer wrong. Other than that, law school kinda sucked (except for playing noon games at center court at Levien--those were classic). |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1152 |
05-24-17 10:29 AM - Post#229619
(I had Ruth Bader Ginsberg for II---snore) Funny- Stephen Breyer taught Admin Law for a year at my law school and I was told he was boring as hell. We didn't have the imagination that your classmates had. But granted, we only had one professor who was strictly Socratic, and other than letting you hang for several painful moments if you didn't know the answer, he really wasn't a dick. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8313 |
05-24-17 01:30 PM - Post#229634
So we all took the same course. I took 2 other Wharton courses. One was heavy in mathematical modeling so easy to ace for an engineering student in a room full of Whartonites. Another was in public planning, which was very fascinating but of course no Whartonites took it. I took legal studies with Dolfman it as well. I transferred to Wharton after 2 years of Engineering and this did wonders for my GPA. Were your public planning courses in the Regional Science department? I took 2 of those and they were among my favorites at Penn. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
05-24-17 01:59 PM - Post#229637
Yes, it was the Regional Science department. I wish I could remember the professor's name. He did a lot of work with municipal governments on infrastructure projects and was on the road frequently. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
05-25-17 11:52 AM - Post#229653
Looks like Saddiq Bey has a number of other offers. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/recruiting-ins... Per Verbal Commits, his list now includes Pitt, Notre Dame, LaSalle, Davidson, Lehigh, NC State, Georgetown, Rutgers, Northwestern, Miami, George Washington, Elon, Temple, Rhode Island and Temple. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
06-05-17 10:59 AM - Post#229845
Cormac Ryan to Stanford. Penn was not a finalist. http://nypost.com/2017/06/04/march-madn ess-dreams-... |
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20Penn14 Senior Posts 364 |
06-12-17 04:44 PM - Post#230005
Julius Kim†@JKimElevate 2018 @NJ_RoadRunners forward Calistus Anyichie will visit Princeton on 6/13 & UPenn on 6/19. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
06-14-17 09:56 PM - Post#230097
Andrew Funk scheduled to visit 6/16 per Julius Kim tweet. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23492 |
06-15-17 11:26 AM - Post#230112
If he's a good defender, opponents will say "Get the Funk out of my face". |
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echo Freshman Posts 9 |
06-22-17 05:40 PM - Post#230295
Carmody has committed to Notre Dame |
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20Penn14 Senior Posts 364 |
06-24-17 07:53 PM - Post#230343
Julius Kim†@JKimElevate Josh Alexander, a 2018 forward playing with @teamrionational, will take unofficial visits to Temple on 6/24 & UPenn on 6/25. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
06-25-17 11:28 PM - Post#230353
Prep Hoops Michigan 2018 6'6 Divine Child/Reach Legends SF Quinn Blair picks up an offer from Penn. His 8th D1 offer. Top 15 player in state. Congrats! |
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1979Quakers Freshman Posts 81 |
07-07-17 04:58 PM - Post#230597
I don't know if this has been posted but, according to Verbal Commits, SG Dwayne Cohill has removed the Quakers from consideration. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
07-12-17 09:51 AM - Post#230798
The always excellent Josh Verlin from COBL had some interesting thoughts on Penn's (and other Philly schools') roster and recruiting needs in 2018. http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/s... |
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yoyo Senior Posts 365 |
07-12-17 02:26 PM - Post#230814
Matt Cotton would be a great get |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
07-12-17 04:44 PM - Post#230833
I can't say I agree that Penn doesn't need much from the upcoming recruiting class. And I certainly hope that's not the attitude the coaching staff is taking. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
07-12-17 04:57 PM - Post#230834
I came away from that thinking we were in better shape than Villanova. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
07-12-17 05:36 PM - Post#230841
Is it my imagination, or did Matt Cotton's rating just go from 2 to 4 stars. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21272 |
07-12-17 05:48 PM - Post#230843
Historically, the price of Cotton has risen during times of internal conflict. |
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gopenngo Masters Student Posts 487 |
07-12-17 10:10 PM - Post#230851
I don't think the price of Cotton Mathers. |
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gopenngo Masters Student Posts 487 |
07-12-17 10:10 PM - Post#230852
Sorry. |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
07-12-17 10:46 PM - Post#230854
Don't apologize. That was magnificent. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
07-12-17 10:53 PM - Post#230855
You people should all be ashamed of yourselves. |
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20Penn14 Senior Posts 364 |
07-15-17 12:05 PM - Post#230932
According to COBL, Calistus Anyichie is receiving interest from Penn http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/s... |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
07-17-17 08:32 PM - Post#230983
Happy 5th anniversary to COBL. Josh, COBL continues to be my #1 go-to college hoops site. The world has too many lawyers and not enough people who do what you do. |
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The Pine Freshman Posts 61 |
07-18-17 12:25 AM - Post#230985
Does anyone know the current status of Jelsni Williams? Didn't he have an ACL tear. Or am I wrong? Tx |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
07-18-17 12:58 AM - Post#230986
He had an ACL tear and has been training during his recovery. From what I know he is wearing a brace and working out regularly. He won't be cleared to play until he can work out without the brace. Don't know when that will be but should be before official practices begin. I have heard he looks very good, albeit without having played in any of the pickup games. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
07-18-17 08:51 AM - Post#230989
Jelani had a training video up about 2 weeks after his injury. Seems to be highly motivated. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
07-19-17 01:42 PM - Post#231056
Justin Byerly†@JustinByerly Penn has offered Kris Wooten from Stackhouse Elite. 2*. Other offer is Fordham. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
07-19-17 02:33 PM - Post#231064
Another: 2018 St. Maria Goretti (MD) G Amir Harris has received an offer from Penn. @Harris5Amir http://verbalcommits.com/players/amir-harris … 6-5 pg (interesting). 2*, offers from lots of east coast low to mids. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
07-19-17 04:19 PM - Post#231076
these sound a little less... "choosy".. then maybe i thought we were being after JMVERLIN's article. but whatever, it's hot out. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
07-19-17 11:29 PM - Post#231098
Penn mentioned in this bit on Noah Kirkwood: "Kirkwood is currently an Ivy League priority as Harvard, Yale and Penn would love to find a way to add the talented Canadian. However, the Brookwood Elite product spoke highly of Notre Dame, Texas and Vanderbilt, too, as many others are expected to enter the picture for the versatile forward." https://basketballrecruit ing.rivals.com/news/stock... |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
07-20-17 10:23 AM - Post#231103
The scouting services seem to be catching up now, but he's deserved to be a Top 100 kid info the 2017/2018 class for a long time now. If he demonstrated a consistent 3-point shot, he'd be a five-star kid going to Duke or something, but as it stands, he's a dead ringer for a more physically imposing Wesley Saunders. Same playmaking skills for others while being almost impossible to keep from getting to where he wants to go in the lane. There have been some really good, ready-for-primetime freshmen to come into the league recently, but he is more ready than basically all of them. |
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nychoops Junior Posts 244 |
07-20-17 10:45 AM - Post#231107
From what I heard this week Harvard perhaps has a shot but I would think ND, Wisco, UVA |
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20Penn14 Senior Posts 364 |
07-22-17 11:03 AM - Post#231172
From COBL: http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/s... Mezie Offurum is in contact with Penn |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
07-22-17 06:26 PM - Post#231178
Per St Joe's board, Yale has offered Matt Cotton now: http://www.scout.com/college/saint-josephs /forums/... |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
07-24-17 09:09 PM - Post#231215
Princeton just received a 2018 commitment from PG Jaelin Llewellyn (4 Stars). He had many offers including Northwestern, Minnesota, Purdue, Virginia, Florida, Creighton, Providence, URI, Cincinnati, Stanford, and Harvard. Looking at the 2018 commits throughout the league: Jaelin Llewellyn PG (4 Stars) - Princeton Spencer Freeman PG (4 Stars) - Harvard Taurus Samuels PG (3 Stars) - Dartmouth Eze Dike-Nwagbara PG (2 Stars) - Yale David Mitchell SG (2 Stars) - Brown With the improvement in league-wide recruiting, it would be good if Penn could seal the deal with one of the 11 players they have given offers. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
07-26-17 12:25 PM - Post#231313
From VC: Rasir Bolton committed to Penn State Penn offered Quinn Blair, 2* SF from Detroit, mostly mid, lowmid offers. There are still a couple of top-100 types on the list (hey, Matt Cotton) and a few names that have yet to emerge but the trend so far this summer, at least in terms of the offers known publicly, seems to be down. |
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section110 Masters Student Posts 847 |
07-26-17 04:42 PM - Post#231326
With 22 on the roster this year & 16 of them back next year, we need 1 or 2 quality recruits, not 4 to 6 in the class. |
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Glenflesk Freshman Posts 67 |
07-26-17 05:21 PM - Post#231328
Unless the 4-6 are better than 10 of the ones we already have. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
07-26-17 06:06 PM - Post#231330
With 22 on the roster this year & 16 of them back next year, we need 1 or 2 quality recruits, not 4 to 6 in the class. If the staff is able to nail down some three or four star recruits, I agree with that statement. However, if they're only able to bring in two star recruits, they might need 4-6 of them in order to yield 1-2 impact players. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
07-26-17 06:32 PM - Post#231331
This is the first time in I don't know how long when Penn's roster is stocked with legitimately useful players vs. filler material. We obviously don't know enough about the incoming Freshmen or even a couple of the Sophs-to-be but you can make a reasonable argument that pretty much all of the returnees have the potential of making an impact (not saying that all ultimately will). That's progress though we're still not where we need to be and there's room for recruiting impact players. There are 5 seniors on the team. There's definitely room for a few talented recruits. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
07-26-17 11:32 PM - Post#231335
While the team is more solid, it is partly because of the depths the team is coming from. I think a team needs two all-league type of players to be a true contender. AJ Brodeur is the only Penn player that may fit that bill right now. I like Betley, Goodman, and Woods a lot, but I don't think they are all-Ivy dominant players. I'm hoping that some of the Frosh will provide this. |
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gopenngo Masters Student Posts 487 |
07-26-17 11:45 PM - Post#231336
You're right. We don't have a go-to, end-of-game player (like Rosen). If we're hoping for one of the frosh to step up, we're far away from the Promised Land. I mean, this past season SD was using Foreman in the Rosen role. This team is still full of mis-matched parts. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
07-27-17 08:38 AM - Post#231342
With 22 on the roster this year & 16 of them back next year, we need 1 or 2 quality recruits, not 4 to 6 in the class. This class will undoubtedly be smaller than last but there is still a rising quality of recruit league-wide that we need to keep up with. Whether or not we do that is still in question. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
07-28-17 11:25 AM - Post#231375
everything pennhoops says is true. but i'm less worried than last year. he brought in some legit talents, he did it a little later than i thought he would. i get it, not only does he have to do it each year, he has to raise his game further than last year. on a consistent basis. I'm just not as freaked out about it. Now, if Betley isn't as good as I thought he could be this year or if none of the freshmen start by season end, then i'll be pretty worried regardless of the hype/lack thereof for 2018 class. PLEASE, GOD, LET JARROD AND AJ START IN THE FRONTCOURT FOR THREE YEARS! |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
07-28-17 05:22 PM - Post#231392
As I said last year, I think it will be more difficult for Penn in 2018 and beyond as the AI floor is now at 183, trimming a decent portion of the pool that used to exist where Penn could take multiple kids and HYP could take, at most, one. I'm sure the coaching staff will adjust, but it's worth watching. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
07-29-17 01:10 AM - Post#231397
mrjames, can you refresh me on a few things regarding the AI... Was the AI floor raised for the whole league? Was it raised proportionately for the different schools or more for some than others? Also, who makes the decision? Is it 1 vote per school and majority wins? I am not asking to immediately complain about the answers. I was just wondering. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
07-29-17 07:53 AM - Post#231398
Whole league across the board from 178 to 183. I have no clue how it affects the football banding... I believe it's a presidents decision, but I don't know the ins and outs of that piece of it. I just hear about it happening, not the how. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
07-29-17 09:35 AM - Post#231399
As I said last year, I think it will be more difficult for Penn in 2018 and beyond as the AI floor is now at 183, trimming a decent portion of the pool that used to exist where Penn could take multiple kids and HYP could take, at most, one. I'm sure the coaching staff will adjust, but it's worth watching. But HYP have already demonstrated there are 3+* kids out there comfortably above the floor. Penn did need to dip a little bit in the last two seasons but it isn't as though it's 178 or bust. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
07-29-17 12:33 PM - Post#231401
To quantify this (approximately) as I understand it. Moving the AI floor from 178 to 183 means a given recruit needs 1 more point on the ACT than previously OR about .25 higher on their GPA (on a 4pt scale). It's probably a lot easier to move an ACT score 1 pt higher than it is to move your GPA up .25 (e.g. from 3.1 to 3.3). For SA's near the floor that's more challenging but not impossible. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2697 |
07-29-17 01:42 PM - Post#231402
It's a big deal if a recruit worked hard to barely get to 178 (or thereabouts) in the first place. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
07-29-17 05:22 PM - Post#231403
Definitely a good flag from Mike as I'd forgotten about that. I like that Jeff isn't concerned. There is still a lot of time, but clearly Harvard and Princeton are off to a good start. Would be nice if we can land one of our primary targets early too. Seems like our best hope is Matt Cotton. What is more concerning is that all the new offers for 2018 seem to be lower level 2* guys... I'm not worried yet, but let's see where things are by end of the summer. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
07-30-17 07:00 AM - Post#231405
I understand the Ivy concerns about academics, but it's sad that a person is reduced to such numbers. I think Jerome had problems with his test scores and had to re-take. Everything I heard was that he worked hard at the books. I had some team-mates in a similar situation who wound up to be solid students. You can't measure fire in the belly through AI, but you can discriminate against minorities, economically disadvantaged, and foreigners. Congrats to the Ivy Presidents on that. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
07-30-17 08:07 AM - Post#231406
Bingo. The AI is a silly construct given all we know about test scores and given how GPAs differ across schools, but luckily (or unluckily for us sports fans) many institutions are going above and beyond to keep kids out who are indeed AI qualified. (The opposite - taking kids under the bar who demonstrate they genuinely care about learning and the Ivy experience - would be nice as a balance, but alas...). The good news is that, with the incentive structure of FinAid, Ivies are working hard to get the demographics that are often discriminated against in the testing process across the bar, because the ability to provide a quasi-full-ride makes matriculation more likely. Whereas the richer folks among us can get their kids tons of test prep classes to artificially raise their scores, but then are less likely to commit because they'd have to pay full. |
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section110 Masters Student Posts 847 |
07-30-17 10:37 AM - Post#231407
Amen |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21272 |
07-30-17 12:29 PM - Post#231408
Legacy admissions, and/or uberwealthy folks donating a ton of $$ so that their kid can get accepted to an elite school, perpetuate the structural inequity.
Bingo. The AI is a silly construct given all we know about test scores and given how GPAs differ across schools, but luckily (or unluckily for us sports fans) many institutions are going above and beyond to keep kids out who are indeed AI qualified. (The opposite - taking kids under the bar who demonstrate they genuinely care about learning and the Ivy experience - would be nice as a balance, but alas...). The good news is that, with the incentive structure of FinAid, Ivies are working hard to get the demographics that are often discriminated against in the testing process across the bar, because the ability to provide a quasi-full-ride makes matriculation more likely. Whereas the richer folks among us can get their kids tons of test prep classes to artificially raise their scores, but then are less likely to commit because they'd have to pay full. |
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20Penn14 Senior Posts 364 |
07-30-17 08:27 PM - Post#231411
According to COBL, Penn has interest in: Ian Robertson, a 6-6, 205-pound wing forward http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/s... Kenny Jones, 6-1 PG http://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/s... |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
07-30-17 08:54 PM - Post#231412
Another 4*, Jake Forrester, is no longer considering Penn (via VC). |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
07-31-17 03:01 PM - Post#231431
I am a little surprised this didn't happen sooner. JerseyShoreWarriors†Univ of Penn offers Drew Friberg |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
08-04-17 12:21 PM - Post#231633
From VC, Penn has offered Aaron Nesmith, 6-5 SF from Charleston, SC. https://verbalcommits.com/players/aaron-nesmith 2* but most of recent his gazillion or so offers are from HMs so I'd expect that figure to rise. Most of the Ivies have also offered. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
08-04-17 01:48 PM - Post#231634
VC lists him as a SF, but he sees himself as a wing. http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/univer sity-... http://www.gatorcountry.com/florida-gators-basket b... He will be visiting Vaderbilt this weekend and then expects to cut his list down to 6 a few days later. Then, he will make his decision in November. http://www.goupstate.com/sports/20170803/music -cit... |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
08-09-17 12:26 AM - Post#231705
Matt Cotton took unofficial visit to Harvard earlier this week. So with Yale offer too, seems like we've got a lot of Ivy competition here (though we definitely have been talking to him the longest). |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
08-13-17 02:07 PM - Post#231916
Not sure how hard we were recruiting him (since we offered late even though I'm sure staff saw a lot of him), but Jelani Williams high school teammate Saddiq Bey trimmed his list to 6 and Penn didn't make it. Only Ivy school is Princeton (lots of higher level schools like Miami remain). |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
08-14-17 08:30 AM - Post#231937
Aaron Nesmith has trimmed his list to seven and Penn did not make the cut. He is still looking at Harvard, Yale, Florida, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Georgetown and Virginia Tech. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
08-14-17 12:21 PM - Post#231967
Our list is becoming a two-star parade in a hurry. Matt Cotton or bust. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
08-15-17 09:03 AM - Post#232005
this is fine this is fine this is fine |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
08-15-17 07:00 PM - Post#232038
Yeah a little concerning we aren't getting in final lists at least. I'm going to assume your convincing yourself Jeff? Serenity now?! |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
08-15-17 08:56 PM - Post#232042
Michael Wang, 6-9, Mater Dei. Not the dude who sued over supposedly discriminatory admissions practices. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
08-15-17 09:58 PM - Post#232043
serenity now, insanity later. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
08-15-17 11:10 PM - Post#232044
Hey pennhoops - are you saying we are in final group for Michael Wang? I don't see much about his offers online. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
08-16-17 09:44 AM - Post#232051
Not a finalist but I believe we are involved (to what extent, though, I don't know). |
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yoyo Senior Posts 365 |
08-16-17 04:01 PM - Post#232084
Penn Basketball just tweeted out "High Major" but I couldn't open the link. Does anyone know what that is referring to? |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
08-16-17 05:19 PM - Post#232094
Just a shout out to Penn facilities: Franklin Field, Palestra, etc |
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gopenngo Masters Student Posts 487 |
08-16-17 08:55 PM - Post#232106
Yes, it was a response to Nat Graham's tweet about Penn's Athletics facilities: Palestra, Franklin Field/Penn Relays, Penn Park/24 acres (no tailgating allowed), and Weiss Wghtrm/best in US. I guess the tweet would have been too long to mention the skating arena/hockey. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
08-17-17 02:08 PM - Post#232124
Drew Friburg committed to Princeton. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
08-17-17 03:46 PM - Post#232131
Wow (or Ugh)! That's the Tigers' third pickup for 2018. I know a number of people here are not concerned, but it is tough to watch Princeton and Harvard reload while Penn cannot seal the deal with any of the many players that have been offered spots. While the Quakers may not need many players for 2018, the more players taken off the board (especially by other Ivy schools) the more difficult it will be to get talented players to compete with Harvard, Princeton and Yale. |
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gopenngo Masters Student Posts 487 |
08-17-17 11:54 PM - Post#232150
Play Friburg, man! |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
08-20-17 04:30 PM - Post#232244
Trey Wertz says Penn is one of the 5 teams recruiting him hardest: http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/08/15/2018-trey- wertz... |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
08-20-17 05:28 PM - Post#232245
to spare adam zagoria a lot of confused emails from you guys, i let him know there was a mistake with the three stars there as we're not involved with anyone who has more than two stars. go ahead and delete your drafts. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2818 |
08-21-17 11:04 AM - Post#232250
Thanks for the heads up. He also mentioned Princeton as another Ivy he is considering. Difficult to tell what factor is most motivating his choice of schools. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
08-21-17 04:51 PM - Post#232262
It's strange - I watched the highlight video of one of Providence Day's games vs. High Point Christian. He was fairly uninvolved from a highlight standpoint. It looks like he plays for a very good team. One video is not a representative dataset on his ability as a player, I realize. Still, if the coaches like him, I hope he becomes a Quaker! |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
08-23-17 09:07 AM - Post#232315
Josh Verlin†Archbishop Wood (Pa.) 2018 G Andrew Funk tells me he's down to three schools: Bucknell, Penn and Delaware. Funk, a 6-4 guard, will be taking officials to each. Bucknell (Aug. 25-27), Delaware (Aug. 30-31) and Penn (Sep. 8-10). Also missed this from 8/7 Dinos Trigonis†Final schools for 6-5 2018 Maka Ellis (Sierra Vista/Las Vegas NV): Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Bucknell, Lehigh, Santa Clara & Nevada |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
08-23-17 01:47 PM - Post#232324
Ryan Young committed to Northwestern. Had just gotten an offer from Maryland so was probably headed off the two* bus (and off our radar). |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
08-23-17 03:50 PM - Post#232330
To the staff's credit, some number of the guys they've lost on this year have been guys whose recruiting has exploded. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
08-24-17 09:58 AM - Post#232356
That's more a defense than a credit, and if you're in hard on someone from the start it should at least keep you in the running if not the lead when bigger offers come in. Sorry but this is just massively discouraging so far, especially considering the leaps the rest of the league are making. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
08-24-17 10:09 AM - Post#232358
No need to apologize to me. This was my biggest concern about this staff when Jerome was replaced. I happen to think their success the last two years (landing Brodeur, having a clearly better evaluation of Betley than most, and last year's class) should probably get them som leeway. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
08-24-17 10:10 AM - Post#232359
It's much harder to recruit when the pool of kids that HYP have to decide whether they can afford to touch and you get a free run at shrinks by nearly half one class to the next. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
08-24-17 10:36 AM - Post#232361
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SteveChop PhD Student Posts 1156 |
08-24-17 12:08 PM - Post#232362
Mike Could you please explain your comment? I don't understand what you are getting at. Thanks in advance. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2818 |
08-24-17 12:48 PM - Post#232364
Mr James. Would you please explain your last post? |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
08-24-17 01:30 PM - Post#232365
I'm concerned that we are at this point putting all our eggs into only 1 or 2 baskets for 3* plus kids, but if we can land 1 (Matt Cotton please) then all will be forgiven for now. It is critical to have another top tier recruiting class this year if we want to get back to the top. This isn't the world in the Ivy any more where you can whiff on a whole class and still win (we all know Dunphy whiffed on some years even though I'm a big fan). The Ivy world has changed and we've at least got to keep up or we'll continue to stay out of reach. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
08-24-17 01:31 PM - Post#232366
While the average AI targets that each team has for its non-football recruited athletes are a closely guarded state secret, it's reasonable to assume that they're somewhere in the low 200s with HYP being slightly higher than others (but that gap has closed SIGNIFICANTLY since I've covered the league). Let's assume that the target to hit is 205. At the beginning of this decade, the AI floor was 171. So, a perfectly reasonable thing to do would be to take three kids right at the floor and take three kids with perfect AIs. That would just slip over your 205 average. Now, some schools might not have the ability to take kids at the floor at all, while others might only be able to pursue one special target at that level, even if they could hit their average regardless. Traditionally, the 170s and 180s have been the "no fly" or "limited fly" zones for those schools taking a more restrictive approach than the floor, while 190s and above really need to shirk their application duties to raise flags. Well, five years ago, they raised the AI to 176 (to account for class rank/GPA arbitrage), which had been the first rise in the AI since it went from 169 to 171 in the summer of 2003. That chopped five points off that no/limited fly zone. A couple summers ago that 176 became 178. Then, this season, the 178 rose to 183 (to account for the fact that the ACT was yielding higher AIs consistently). Given that something around the 190s is a pretty green light level for all, the fact that schools that had a green light to the floor saw their relatively exclusive part of the pool shrink from 19 points at the beginning of the decade to 14, then to 12 and now down to 7, makes recruiting far more competitive in the remaining area above the floor. I expect this to prompt a bit of an adjustment period for Penn. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
08-24-17 02:20 PM - Post#232369
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
08-24-17 04:20 PM - Post#232374
Mike (and Asia), I'm curious if your views on the impact of AI at all affect your view that there isn't really a financial aid effect for HYP vs. the rest. While I earlier feared that the financial aid disparity might have a meaningful impact on recruiting, people who knew the situation better than me (you two) assured me it isn't a big deal. I have accepted it as truth, as I think you both have objectivity and knowledge. In a period when the AI is being compressed, however, would an even slight financial aid advantage create a bigger edge for HYP vs. the rest? Although I expect many comments no matter what you reply, I am genuinely interested in your views. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
08-24-17 06:38 PM - Post#232382
Not really. I mean, I'd prefer a most favored nations calculation where every school can offer the best possible package or outright athletic scholarships (watch this league take off!), but at least on the basketball side, it's not a big deal. There's three classifications of prospects, really: 1) those that basically have to pay full (don't bother); 2) those that basically get a full ride from everyone (no real advantage); 3) those in that transition part from full ride to full pay (where different schools can give different reads). If you happen to be in on one of the latter prospects without another Ivy that might be able to give a more generous read that you could match, you might end up not being in the best possible situation versus non-Ivy athletic scholarships and is the difference between paying some or some plus a little more. What it isn't (any more) is if only Princeton had joined in the pursuit of this kid we could have matched its full ride offer, but alas we're stuck with our five figure read. I just don't think the differences in FA are terribly meaningful (any more). |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
08-24-17 06:57 PM - Post#232383
Thanks, Mike. I'm not sure I understand completely, but what I think I hear you saying is that in the #3 situation (where people need aid but aren't getting a full ride), the ivies can give pretty comparable aid to each other. So the real problem with students in that 3rd bucket is that a non-ivy can probably give a better read and package overall. There is a disparity to non-scholarship schools, but little to no disparity within the ivies. Is that right? While I had my doubts, I can accept that until I hear otherwise from a person with more direct knowledge (and not just fear-based reactions). |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1348 |
08-24-17 08:53 PM - Post#232387
(While I am anti-athletic scholarship, the following is not intended as an anti-schollie screed, just an observation). One reason I doubt scholarships will come into play for bball is that if you do it for one sport, you pretty much have to do it for all sports, and the Ivies have a disproportionately large number of supported sports. This would further the systemic advantage of better endowed schools. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
08-24-17 09:56 PM - Post#232389
Mike, I believe you mentioned earlier that part of the AI issue for Penn is that we now have to fish where HYP more or less get their pick of recruits. My impression is that Penn has few, if any, true recruiting victories over HYP in recent years. To me, the question is why that happens. I'm not sure you can fully discount the FA issue, because we don't ultimately know what drives recruits' reasoning. and even if we could, FA can be tied into other factors in ways that are hard to distinguish. For example, I think sometimes players will choose who was recruiting them "first" or appeared most interested. There may be an advantage to the first mover on FA as a showing of interest.m just matching that later eliminates the gap in terms of money, but it may not in terms of perception of who wants the player most. For the record, I think FA is only a small part of why Penn has been losing recruiting battles to HYP in recent years. The quickest remedy would be to start winning more games. Right now, HYP have brand advantages to a degree AND a basketball advantage. That's a tough double whammy. But to me, the FA discrepancy is something to fix simply from a fairness perspective. The simple fact that we can argue about whether it matters is reason enough to find a way level the playing field. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
08-25-17 12:37 AM - Post#232390
Don't know if it means anything, but I saw on St. Joes board that Matt Cotton officially enrolled at Eastern HS, in Voorhees, NJ. Not too far from Philly, so should give the coaches a chance to see a lot of games and get a lot of facetime. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
08-25-17 01:05 AM - Post#232391
Josh Verlin†Archbishop Wood (Pa.) 2018 G Andrew Funk tells me he's down to three schools: Bucknell, Penn and Delaware. Funk, a 6-4 guard, will be taking officials to each. Bucknell (Aug. 25-27), Delaware (Aug. 30-31) and Penn (Sep. 8-10). Also missed this from 8/7 Dinos Trigonis†Final schools for 6-5 2018 Maka Ellis (Sierra Vista/Las Vegas NV): Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Bucknell, Lehigh, Santa Clara & Nevada Ellis has set three officials: Lehigh, Cornell and Columbia |
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Stuart Suss PhD Student Posts 1439 |
08-25-17 10:18 AM - Post#232397
With respect to the new AI of 183: 1. What SAT or ACT scores will produce a 183? 2. Do GPA and class rank still count in the calculation of the AI or have both been eliminated? Thanks. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
08-25-17 10:30 AM - Post#232398
AI is a blend of test scores and GPA. As I understand it is comprised of two thirds test score and one third GPA. So a 4.0 (on a 4.0 scale) and a 36 ACT would produce a perfect AI of 240. Ivy teams, as MrJ has stated, have to manager to an average so if they take a 183 student athlete, they need another one at 220 to get to a 200 average AI. If my math is right (and there is a good chance it isn't!) one could technically have a 23 ACT and a 4.0 GPA to get to roughly 183. Practically that's unlikely but you get the idea. More likely you are looking at a 26-27 ACT and around a 3.4 GPA as the minimum. These are all approximations but I think it's close. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
08-25-17 04:51 PM - Post#232419
2. Do GPA and class rank still count in the calculation of the AI or have both been eliminated? Thanks. Very few high schools have a class rank any longer. Furthermore, it'll be interesting to see what happens to the AI once admissions departments start doing away with the SAT and/or more high schools get rid of GPA. |
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 4005 |
08-26-17 06:03 PM - Post#232434
The AI dies? Be still my beating heart. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
08-28-17 04:44 PM - Post#232459
It appears that Harvard has just made an offer to Trey Wertz. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
08-30-17 09:18 AM - Post#232485
According to a tweet Amir Harris (2 star combo guard) sent out on 8/23/17, he has trimmed his list and is deciding between Temple and URI. As a result, Penn has been dropped from his list. It would be great if I could post something positive on this thread. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
08-30-17 09:50 AM - Post#232489
Be patient. Still a lot of time and a lot of prospects left out there. Enough Ivies have splintered off in the prospects they're deeply pursuing that I think there are fewer true Ivy vs. Ivy battles than it may seem. So long as Penn's top prospects are very interested in landing in the Ivy, I don't see it swinging and missing entirely. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
08-30-17 12:27 PM - Post#232500
MRJ is right on. Good news coming I believe. |
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westphillywarrior Sophomore Posts 196 |
08-31-17 12:15 PM - Post#232521
Great! You should know. You are talking about Matt Cotton, right? When should we expect some news? |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
08-31-17 01:28 PM - Post#232526
Can it be? That guy looks like he would be a beast in the ivies. He would fill the Matt Howard role and then some. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
08-31-17 01:41 PM - Post#232527
Easy, boys. Always in motion the future is. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2818 |
08-31-17 03:23 PM - Post#232530
I hear that he is secretly awaiting for a commitment from MH. |
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gopenngo Masters Student Posts 487 |
09-01-17 02:15 AM - Post#232538
I hear that he is secretly awaiting for a commitment from MH. from My Hand? |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
09-01-17 10:01 AM - Post#232543
folks, i did the hard work of going through the followers of matt cotton/following list. He isn't followed/following Jarrod or Jelani and they aren't following him. a commitment can't occur without that. and for those asking, it's necessary but not sufficient to ensure commitment. |
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yoyo Senior Posts 365 |
09-01-17 11:51 AM - Post#232550
Fake News |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
09-01-17 12:42 PM - Post#232552
BELIEVE ME! |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
09-01-17 12:58 PM - Post#232553
I have to say that is brilliant, jeff2sf. Only caveat is that he wouldn't have met them on a campus visit (yet?) since school hasn't started yet. So the question would be whether he has taken a visit already and if so whether he is connected on social media with our sophs (Goodman, Betley, Brodeur, and co.). After the start of school, you're right that it's about Jarrod, Jelani, and Eddie. Nice work! |
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westphillywarrior Sophomore Posts 196 |
09-01-17 03:36 PM - Post#232556
PennFan10 is as connected as connected can be. I trust him. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
09-01-17 03:54 PM - Post#232558
Considering what he's saying, I hope he's right. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
09-01-17 04:04 PM - Post#232559
pf10 is definitely connected. i did 11 minutes of twitter stalking that means little. But to be clear, "good news" can refer to lots of things of varying levels of goodness. it'd be good if Shortie Johnson a 5'7 crafty point guard with a high motor plus a 4.0 GPA and 1600 on his SATs committed. But that might not meet my or your standards of good news. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
09-01-17 04:34 PM - Post#232561
Maybe he's referring to the 'good news' of the Gospel? |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
09-02-17 10:49 AM - Post#232569
Jeff, in most contexts I'd find what you're doing as troubling behavior. In this one we thank you for your service. I don't completely understand recruiting rules but I'm guessing that there may be limits with what players on the team can do. There would be no such limit with what another recruit can do since they're not enrolled. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
09-02-17 11:36 AM - Post#232570
You might be confusing booster rules with players connecting with recruits or other recruits connecting with each other via Twitter or otherwise. Jeff has made a solid observation. Perhaps the "expected needs" relates to another player - perhaps Andrew Funk or someone else and not Matt Cotton. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
09-02-17 12:01 PM - Post#232571
folks, i did the hard work of going through the followers of matt cotton/following list. He isn't followed/following Jarrod or Jelani and they aren't following him. a commitment can't occur without that. and for those asking, it's necessary but not sufficient to ensure commitment. It doesn't appear he is following any other players of current college teams, except J'Quan Newton of Miami. He IS following Steve Donahue and Joe Mihalich. To be fair he is also following Rutgers, Towson, LaSalle and a couple others as well. So what does that tell you? Hmmmm.... |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
09-02-17 08:04 PM - Post#232588
Matt Cotton is linked with Andrew Funk. This piece makes our chances with Andrew Funk sound pretty good. http://phillysportsnetwor k.com/2017/09/01/big-5-re... |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
09-04-17 01:53 PM - Post#232611
Verbal Commits†2018 Roselle Catholic (NJ) G Ithiel Horton has received an offer from Penn. Adam Zagoria†Official visits for 2018 Roselle Catholic G Ithiel Horton 9/8 - Lafayette 9/15 - Delaware 9/22 - Penn Transferred to Roselle after St. Anthony's closed. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
09-04-17 02:01 PM - Post#232613
Possibly related to this: Andrew Funk†Thank you to all the schools that have recruited me, but I am very excited to announce my commitment to Bucknell University! #GoBison |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
09-04-17 08:05 PM - Post#232623
FWIW, my wife (taught at St. Ant's until it closed) raves about Ithiel's character and academic drive. Obviously, that's not a basketball scouting report, but assuming that side is there, Penn would be getting an amazing kid. She was very excited to hear that Penn was on his list - said it was very well deserved. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
09-05-17 07:52 AM - Post#232624
Disappointing another target didn't choose Penn (not that there is any shame to losing a kid to Bucknell since they are a great program). That said, it is kind of interesting that Funk spoke so highly of Penn in that last article, but hadn't visited officially yet and would be visiting "in the near future". Then, without an official visit he picked Bucknell. That could of course simply be that he loved Bucknell and wanted to go for it (new offer to Horton seems to indicate that this wasn't expected). I have no inside info whatsoever, but I wonder where he was in priority for Penn staff because we have a lot of offers to wings. For now I'll just be curious to see how it all plays out... |
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DJ Jazzy Jeff Freshman Posts 58 |
09-05-17 09:32 AM - Post#232628
I appreciate the off the court scouting report on Mr. Horton. It obviously begs the question of, what is the on the court scouting report? Now I can read between the lines if you want and say, if all we're talking about is his personality, then maybe he's not THE one we're waiting for. This reminds me of a time in my single life (before Mrs. Jazzy Jeff) when I was once asked to go on a blind date with a friend of my friend's girlfriend. Being a young man, my first question was "how does she look"? The response was, "she's a nice girl and has a great personality"? I immediately declined the date... Are we in the same situation here? |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
09-05-17 10:25 AM - Post#232629
Nah - don't take it like that. I just have zero info on the on-court side. Offers look pretty okay, so he seems like a solid mid-major prospect. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
09-12-17 11:51 AM - Post#232795
Dwayne Cohill to Dayton Jake Forrester to Indiana The Matt Cotton or bust train is now a maglev |
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section110 Masters Student Posts 847 |
09-12-17 01:17 PM - Post#232799
VC still lists Sean Good, Trey Wertz @ a Savior along with Cotton as Penn recruiting possibles. Anyone have any information on any of those guys? |
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The Quad Sophomore Posts 137 |
09-12-17 01:36 PM - Post#232800
Jake Forrester had decided weeks ago that his top 5 were: Indiana, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Seton Hall, and Xavier Would love to get some 4* players, but as a reminder, Betley was 2* |
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1979Quakers Freshman Posts 81 |
09-12-17 01:41 PM - Post#232801
Per Verbal Commits. Jake Forrester has committed to Indiana. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
09-15-17 05:58 PM - Post#232874
Per Verbal Commits, Quinn Blair (6' 6" SF from Detroit) has chosen William & Mary. Also, Verbal Commits noted that Ike Nweke (6' 6" PF from Bethesda) committed to Columbia yesterday. Penn did not give him an offer. FWIW, the Verbal Commits Ivy League 2018 scorecard looks like this: Brown - 2 Star PG (Thomas Shaughnessy, 2 Star SG (David Mitchell) Columbia - 3 Star PF (Ike Nweke) Cornell - none Dartmouth - 2.5 Star PG (Taurus Samuels), 3 Star SG (Wes Slajchert) Harvard - 3.5 Star PG (Spencer Freedman) Penn - none Princeton - 3.5 Star PG (Jaelin Llewellyn), 2 Star PG (Ethan Wright), 2 Star SF (Drew Friberg) Yale - 2 Star PG (Eze Dike-Nwagbara), 2 Star SG (Michael Feinberg) |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
09-16-17 09:38 AM - Post#232881
So Donahue was up at Northfield Mount Herman this past week. Potentially to see Chuck Hannah who is on an official to Elon this weekend. Potentially to see 2019, 2020, or who knows what other players or years. Also, Kai Toews who is being recruited by other Ivies is on an official to Delaware this weekend. Ithiel Horton is also on his official to Delaware this weekend. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
09-16-17 09:43 AM - Post#232882
Apparently, Zach Light from NMH visited Penn and Dartmouth last month. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
09-16-17 09:57 AM - Post#232883
And Chuck Hannah is visiting Brown next weekend. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
09-16-17 07:23 PM - Post#232887
Sean Good to Lafayette. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
09-17-17 12:19 AM - Post#232889
Matt Cotton is on his official visit to Penn this weekend. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
09-17-17 01:06 PM - Post#232897
Any word on how it went/is going? Unrelated - Is it just me or is it always poorly publicized when stuff is happening with Penn recruiting? There isn't a peep about this on social that I've seen. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
09-17-17 01:27 PM - Post#232898
Don't know how it went but I think it's down to three schools for him, all IL. Suffice to say Penn has focused on Philly area prospects and MC fits the profile perfectly so he is the top priority. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
09-17-17 02:56 PM - Post#232900
why are we focused on philly area prospects? it's neither 1954 nor are we lasalle |
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20Penn14 Senior Posts 364 |
09-17-17 03:41 PM - Post#232901
Jon Rothstein†@JonRothstein 2018 guard Amir Harris has committed to Rhode Island, per a source. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
09-17-17 04:24 PM - Post#232902
I think it was pretty clear from Donahue when he was first hired that his priority was to recruit Philadelphia area prospects primarily. I am sure they still look outside of Philly but they want to win the battle at home. If the recruiting philosophy is indeed "win at home" then the results of this battle for Matt Cotton will be telling. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
09-17-17 04:38 PM - Post#232904
I can't even tell who Penn is battling for Cotton. Seems like he's theirs to lose, though I'm not totally on top of this one to be honest. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
09-17-17 04:47 PM - Post#232905
There are 2 other prominent IL teams in the mix, where he will be taking official visits. Don't know how high a priority he is to those schools. One of them is Yale, who has 2 commitments at guard already. |
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The Pine Freshman Posts 61 |
09-17-17 06:03 PM - Post#232906
We are getting hosed this year in recruiting. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
09-18-17 06:59 AM - Post#232910
Seems way too early to reach this conclusion. This year's class will be very small by design targeting very specific needs. Maybe in a few more months your post will seem more appropriate but the opposite is just as likely. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
09-18-17 08:56 AM - Post#232913
why are we focused on philly area prospects? it's neither 1954 nor are we lasalle My take is that Donahue recruits nationally for his higher profile targets. He also attempts to unearth potentially under-recruited / under-rated prospects more locally, where he should have a home field advantage. Neither Brodeur nor the 3 higher profile recruits from last year were Philly area / NJ recruits. Betley and Goodman were under the radar local recruits who Donahue was right about. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
09-18-17 09:28 AM - Post#232917
it absolutely stands to reason that we can unearth more unpolished diamonds in our backyard than, say, nebraska. i objected to the idea of "focusing". we should be recruiting good players from all over the US, as we did with Brodeur, Scott, Williams, Simmons. |
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section110 Masters Student Posts 847 |
09-18-17 09:38 AM - Post#232919
Agreed. If we get Cotton & one of the bigs we're after, I would say it is a very good class to fit our needs with talented players. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
09-18-17 09:48 AM - Post#232920
Do you really think Donahue has stopped looking nationally for high profile recruits? When he was hired Donahue said he was going to "focus" on recruiting within a 50 mile radius of Philly. Based on the track record of the past 2 years I think it's clear what he meant by that statement. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
09-18-17 10:13 AM - Post#232922
i'm surprised you're surprised i would object to that statement. i'm basically on team donahue. i guess we're arguing semantics, it was just a weird turn of phrase to me to be like "no, it's cool we have no commits right now, we're focusing on philly area (implication to me being "exclusively" focusing). Whatever, his actions prior to this year would say that's not true. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
09-18-17 10:29 AM - Post#232924
Yes, we're arguing semantics. I agree with you that it's a huge mistake if Donahue is focusing on Philly area recruits to the point that he's not bothering to recruit elsewhere. I just don't believe it's the case. I think Donahue's recruiting net is wider than Dunphy's. I'm trying to recall our star players under Dunph and can only come up with Ugonna and Koko as not from the Philly area or from NJ. That Dunphy era recruiting net wouldn't work today. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
09-18-17 11:02 AM - Post#232926
Pursuing high-profile recruits nationally and searching for diamonds in the rough locally sounds like a pretty smart approach to me. As for the 2018 class, while the lack of commitments to this point is worrisome, it's too early to say this class is a bust. Hopefully, something big will happen soon. |
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Stuart Suss PhD Student Posts 1439 |
09-18-17 11:06 AM - Post#232927
Ugonna was not recruited from overseas. He was brought to our attention by a friend of Gil Jackson when Ugonna was at Mercersburg Academy, on the Maryland border, west of Gettysburg. Ugonna was closer to Philadelphia than Jed Ryan (Erie, Pennsylvania) or Scott Kegler (Columbus, Ohio). However, as I have noted before, Fran Dunphy's success was highly reliant on transfers. We went to the NCAA tournament 10 times during the Fran Dunphy era (defined to include the 2007 team coached by Glen Miller, with Fran Dunphy's players). 7 of those 10 teams had significant contributions from one or more transfers. An 8th team, the 2000 champions, received 13 minutes per game from the backup center, Brown transfer Oggie Kapetanovic. Only the 1999 and 2007 NCAA teams did not have a transfer from another team. I trust that the former coaches of Jeff Foote (Steve Donahue and Nat Graham) and Ira Bowman (formerly of Providence) all recognize the value of transfers and will improve upon the quality of the current transfers. |
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section110 Masters Student Posts 847 |
09-18-17 01:22 PM - Post#232934
Stars: Duncombe, Danlye & Ryan. Decent contributors: Trice, Osmundson, Paul McMahon, Frank Brown, Laater, Kegler, Fikiel & Pettinella & Spiva briefly. Still the geographic net was narrower. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
09-18-17 02:26 PM - Post#232936
Thanks Stu and section110. That's more comprehensive. I thought Danley, Ryan and Trice went to HS closer to the Philly area than they actually did. Duncombe was a Schneider recruit. Still, 4 non-Philly recruits in 2 years seems like a wider net than Dunphy had. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
09-18-17 02:42 PM - Post#232937
The transfers thing is interesting... I totally agree that in the past transfers have been a big part of winning teams. That said, the world of transfers in college basketball has changed even in last 10 years since Foote transferred. Not many kids seem to be transferring down, and many more seem to be transferring up... |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
09-18-17 05:53 PM - Post#232952
Ithiel Horton to Delaware. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
09-18-17 08:57 PM - Post#232955
Kale Catchings to Harvard. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
09-18-17 09:23 PM - Post#232957
now you guys are just making up names. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
09-18-17 09:48 PM - Post#232958
According to Verbal Commits, Jake Lanford, a 2 star 6' 8" center from Charleston, has committed to Yale. Also, Jaylan Gainey, a 2 star 6' 10" PF from Greensboro, committed to Brown. Updating the the VC Ivy League 2018 scorecard: Brown (3) - 2 Star PG (Thomas Shaughnessy), 2 Star SG (David Mitchell), 2 Star PF (Jaylan Gainey) Columbia (1) - 3 Star PF (Ike Nweke) Cornell (0) - none Dartmouth (2) - 2.5 Star PG (Taurus Samuels), 3 Star SG (Wes Slajchert) Harvard (2) - 3.5 Star PG (Spencer Freedman), 2 Star SF (Kale Catchings) Penn (0) - none Princeton (3) - 3.5 Star PG (Jaelin Llewellyn), 2 Star PG (Ethan Wright), 2 Star SF (Drew Friberg) Yale (3) - 2 Star PG (Eze Dike-Nwagbara), 2 Star SG (Michael Feinberg), 2 Star C (Jake Lanford) |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
09-19-17 07:57 AM - Post#232961
Just knowing what's left on the board, Harvard and Princeton should end up with the top two classes - how their hit rate on their top remaining targets goes should determine the order and the distance they put between them and the chase pack. Third could be coming down to Brown or Yale. If those two each land a top target or two they have left, they'll be tough to catch for third and fourth. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
09-19-17 11:39 AM - Post#232971
Mike, which of the 2-stars do you like the most? |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
09-19-17 02:00 PM - Post#232979
The ones that I've heard differentiating stuff about would be David Mitchell, Kale Catchings and Ethan Wright. Pretty good stuff on Eze Dike, Drew Friberg and Thomas Shaugnessy too. Right now, my league top six would be: Jaelin Spencer Taurus Ethan/Kale/David I think three of what will ultimately be the top five haven't committed yet... |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
09-19-17 07:18 PM - Post#232999
Per Twitter, Maka Ellis is making his decision tomorrow after being at Columbia this weekend and Lehigh three weeks ago. His final 7 was/is(?) Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Bucknell, Lehigh, Santa Clara & Nevada Also, to circle back on the aforementioned Michael Wang from Mater Dei, Penn was apparently out at Mater Dei last week (no clue if it was for him or who for). Mater Dei Hoops†Thanks for coming out to watch our guys work out @DU_MHoops @HawaiiMBB @PennBasketball @CalMBBall @SantaClaraHoops 👠|
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
09-19-17 08:44 PM - Post#233002
So reading between the lines, Brown and Yale both are likely to pull in a top 5 guy? Seems like based on what is there now, Dartmouth is ahead of them (at least on an "avg recruit" basis). |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
09-19-17 09:44 PM - Post#233005
If Penn were fortunate enough to have Matt Cotton commit, he would definitely be a top 5 recruit in this class. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
09-19-17 10:21 PM - Post#233006
To be honest, "definitely" is a stretch. It's possible he'd be a Top 5 player in the class - depends on what some of the other targets on the board decide to do. I think he'd be a top 5 player right now, but all depends on what gets added down the stretch. That being said, there isn't a lot of quality left - this class looked great/deep and then fizzled fast over the summer, so it's possible he'd end up as a Top 5 kid in the 2018 Ivy class. If so, that'd be an even weaker class than it is currently expected to be. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
09-20-17 12:07 AM - Post#233010
Fair enough - "definitely" was strong considering I only can see public offers and I don't know what else might be out there I haven't seen. That said, of the current commits only Llewellyn and Freedman have public offers at the level of Matt Cotton, regardless of whether or not he ends up at Penn. So if the Ivy has a class with him in the top 5 recruits and it is considered "weak" that's pretty damn impressive! |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
09-20-17 12:29 AM - Post#233011
Matt Cotton is definitely top 5. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
09-20-17 02:38 AM - Post#233012
Maka Ellis is interesting, but Penn wasn't mentioned in 3 officials he was planning (Lehigh, Columbia, Cornell) nor was he mentioned for in-home visits last few weeks. Interesring he is announcing tomorrow before a scheduled visit to Cornell this coming weekend. Since he just visited Columbia this past weekend it feels like Lions will be the choice. Looks like it would be a great pickup for them if so. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
09-20-17 07:56 AM - Post#233014
Important to remember that there is a difference between the offers you have and the offers you had. Right now, I think Cotton would be a Top 5 player in the class. There are four kids on the board right now though that would bump him and a couple more that would be in the conversation. Not all of those (possibly not many) will go Ivy, so I'd feel confident saying he'll definitely be a Top 10 player in this class. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
09-20-17 10:47 AM - Post#233029
Mike James does some interesting quantitative analytics, but in the end his predictions aren't really all that more accurate than what most of us would come up with. The one positive is that his work is devoid of emotion which is the thing that often leads many fans of a particular team, including me, to think with the heart when the head alone might lead to a more accurate conclusion. As for recruiting, I think he is only moderately less in the dark that most of us. Yes - he does talk to some people "in the know", but even the people who run these Ivy programs get it wrong and many evaluate kids and their potential very differently. No one would have thought the kids who've been driving Princeton's success would have been top Ivy recruits. I mean - Steven Cook, Weisz, Caruso? And look at Yale - neither Oni nor Mason were all that highly rated or highly regarded for that matter. We have a league where stars sometimes matter, but in many cases they don't. Case in point - Ryan Betley! |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
09-20-17 10:57 AM - Post#233030
I invited Mike to opine because I find his views informative and more accurate than anyone else. I have no statistical analysis to back that up. I also trust coaching staffs with good recruiting track records. Mitch Henderson is consistently good. No one is going to be 100% accurate. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
09-20-17 11:24 AM - Post#233032
Mikes opinions are always welcomed. I was just making the point that he misses as much as he hits when it comes to this stuff. It's not his fault. It's the nature of recruiting at our level. |
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section110 Masters Student Posts 847 |
09-20-17 12:39 PM - Post#233036
Who are these mystery four plus kids? My only "knowledge" is that I read Verbal Commits, look at the ESPN top 100 list & get a couple of pre-season guides. On those Llewllyn, Freeman & Cotton are the only Ivy targets mentioned. ESPN lists David Duke of Cushing Academy as having offers from Brown & Columbia. Cotton is the highest rated on VC. Sean Good (3.5) and Trey Wertz & Isiah Kelly (both 2.5) & Solomon U. on the Columbia are the next highest rated. nychoops is probably the only poster who may have seen a number of these guys play or have reliable second knowledge. So who are the potential stars still on the H/Y/P radar who relegate Cotton out of the top five if they go Ivy? |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
09-20-17 01:59 PM - Post#233041
Noah Kirkwood, Mason Forbes, Greg Foster Jr. and Trey Jemison are all better prospects than Cotton. Whether or not they end up in the Ivies remains to be seen, but they're better. Maka Ellis ending up at Columbia would be sort of in the same range as Cotton. Drew Peterson would be in the same range as well. Isaiah Kelly will end up in the Ivy, but Cotton's ahead of him. Both those guys are most likely to end up at Yale, FWIW. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
09-20-17 02:27 PM - Post#233047
so he's not that good, but the good news is we're not likely to get him. This is fine. |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
09-20-17 02:28 PM - Post#233048
Isaiah Kelly will end up in the Ivy, but Cotton's ahead of him. Both those guys are most likely to end up at Yale, FWIW. I'm confused. Last week you wrote, "I can't even tell who Penn is battling for Cotton. Seems like he's theirs to lose, though I'm not totally on top of this one to be honest." Now you're telling us he likely ends up at Yale? |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
09-20-17 03:16 PM - Post#233053
Life comes at you fast in September/October. |
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section110 Masters Student Posts 847 |
09-20-17 03:22 PM - Post#233054
But VC and/or 247 Sports only shows Foster as having Ivy interest (Brown). |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
09-20-17 03:39 PM - Post#233057
Life comes at you fast in September/October. Pardon me while I shove my head in the oven. |
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westphillywarrior Sophomore Posts 196 |
09-20-17 04:06 PM - Post#233061
"But VC and/or 247 Sports only shows Foster as having Ivy interest (Brown)." I don't think these sites come close to knowing everything that is going on. The kid that Yale just got wasn't showing on their board until he announced. Harvard has almost no players on their page but I'd guess they are doing some recruiting. And I haven't seen anyone all year on Princeton's page until players commit. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
09-20-17 04:44 PM - Post#233062
FWIW, I think Penn lands Mike Wang. So, there's that. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
09-20-17 06:09 PM - Post#233065
Maka Ellis to Columbia - https://twitter.com/makaellis/status/9106 183262120... |
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 4005 |
09-20-17 07:48 PM - Post#233071
At the risk of sounding like my BFF, T'69, I must admit I take some solace in the "woe is me" posts on this Quaker Board. The good news is the Brown today announced we would be taking the loan portion out of FA packages. It may be very little, very late, but it is a small step in the right direction. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
09-20-17 08:14 PM - Post#233074
FWIW, I think Penn lands Mike Wang. So, there's that. Can't be right. He's from more than 100 miles outside Philly. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
09-20-17 10:02 PM - Post#233076
Mike, do you know if we(Penn) offered Ellis? Somebody said so on the Columbia board. That would be news to me, and bad news. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
09-20-17 10:04 PM - Post#233077
Chuck Hannah to Elon. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
09-21-17 03:31 AM - Post#233080
Mike Wang is an interesting prospect especially in Donahue mold of stretch 4 - 6'8" with a nice looking 3 point form with quick release. Would be a very nice pickup. Sure hope Mike's wrong about Matt Cotton as that would be a real disappointment and especially bad considering how long Penn pursued him and since Yale only offered like a month ago. What Penn can't afford is a total whiff of a class. That would be devastating to the chances of trying to get to higher level of HYP at the moment. |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
09-21-17 08:36 AM - Post#233084
Sure hope Mike's wrong about Matt Cotton as that would be a real disappointment and especially bad considering how long Penn pursued him and since Yale only offered like a month ago. Maybe his cousin Armani has been talking to him. (NB: I have no idea if Armani and Matt are related. I just love the name Armani Cotton.) |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4919 |
09-21-17 02:21 PM - Post#233109
Cheer up. Harvard is using a former Penn and Columbia investment manager to try to get its mammoth endowment on track after underperforming since the 2008 crisis. It might take a while--there is "inertia" in the portfolio, apparently. Another twenty years of underperformance and we'll all be nearly caught up! http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/9/20/hmc -20... |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
09-21-17 03:12 PM - Post#233110
Not going to happen in my lifetime. Harvard is an amazing bargain even with that underperformance. My niece is a Senior at Harvard. My brother pays way less for a year at Harvard than a year at the university my other niece attends. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
09-21-17 03:35 PM - Post#233112
I once heard Leon Botstein describe Harvard as "a very large bank with a small education business attached." |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
09-21-17 08:36 PM - Post#233123
FYI per a respected St. Joes poster who knows Matt Cotton personally: "Matt is down to Harvard, Yale and Penn..." He posted this in St. Joe's board as St. Joe's really wanted Cotton. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
09-24-17 09:53 PM - Post#233191
A Philly Sports Network interview with Trey Wertz from earlier today and a 9/1 interview with hsbasketballbr. http://phillysportsnetwor k.com/2017/09/24/sg/ https://hsbasketballbr.wordpress.com/2017/09/01/in... |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
09-25-17 08:04 AM - Post#233195
Yeah... I don't see Trey Wertz going Ivy, folks. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
09-25-17 10:57 AM - Post#233201
His answers in this QA don't give off the feeling he is warm and fuzzy about Ivy or Big 5 (Temple). |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
09-25-17 09:01 PM - Post#233230
Isaiah Kelly has committed to Yale on Twitter. "Upon admission" he will be continuing his education at Yale. We offered last year but seems we haven't been involved for a long time. Still, worth noting as another one off the board. |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
09-26-17 08:52 AM - Post#233233
Geez. What's the last recruiting battle we won against Yale or Harvard? |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
09-26-17 09:07 AM - Post#233235
With the commitments of Ellis and Kelly, here is the updated VC Ivy League 2018 scorecard: Brown (3) - 2 Star PG (Thomas Shaughnessy), 2 Star SG (David Mitchell), 2 Star PF (Jaylan Gainey) Columbia (2) - 2.3 Star SG (Make Ellis), 3 Star PF (Ike Nweke) Cornell (0) - none Dartmouth (2) - 2.5 Star PG (Taurus Samuels), 3 Star SG (Wes Slajchert) Harvard (2) - 3.5 Star PG (Spencer Freedman), 2 Star SF (Kale Catchings) Penn (0) - none Princeton (3) - 3.5 Star PG (Jaelin Llewellyn), 2 Star PG (Ethan Wright), 2 Star SF (Drew Friberg) Yale (4) - 2 Star PG (Eze Dike-Nwagbara), 2 Star SG (Michael Feinberg), 3 Star SF (Isaiah Kelly) , 2 Star C (Jake Lanford) |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
09-26-17 09:38 AM - Post#233238
Yale (4) - 2 Star PG (Eze Dike-Nwagbara), 2 Star SG (Michael Feinberg), 3 Star SF (Isaiah Kelly) , 2 Star C (Jake Lanford) dear Matt and Yale, You don't need each other. Stop. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
09-26-17 09:38 AM - Post#233239
Yale (4) - 2 Star PG (Eze Dike-Nwagbara), 2 Star SG (Michael Feinberg), 3 Star SF (Isaiah Kelly) , 2 Star C (Jake Lanford) dear Matt and Yale, You don't need each other. Stop. |
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The Pine Freshman Posts 61 |
09-26-17 11:11 AM - Post#233246
I wonder how much Donahue spent to whiff on recruits? Bad |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
09-27-17 06:57 PM - Post#233274
I'm guessing the Noah Kirkwood commitment, that leaves Yale and Penn as options for Matt Cotton. Isaiah Kelly who committed to Yale is also a big wing, Cotton could slide to SG potentially, but seems like muddier waters for him. Not to overstate the obvious, but Penn needs to make this happen. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
09-29-17 08:33 AM - Post#233352
Yeah, Harvard needs bigs. Can't imagine taking four guards in this class makes any sense for Harvard. Especially given the caliber of the ones they already have in the class. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-03-17 11:56 AM - Post#233477
Really, really excited to see how this Penn/Yale battle over Cotton turns out... Would be a strong head-to-head win if Penn can pull it off... |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
10-03-17 12:06 PM - Post#233478
"Excited" is not the word many of us would use. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
10-03-17 01:28 PM - Post#233480
It is definitely a potential program defining moment for Donahue if the Quakers can land Cotton over Yale. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
10-03-17 01:59 PM - Post#233482
anything prompted you (mrjames) popping in? announcement of when he's announcing coming? you noticed he's following jwill now? |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
10-03-17 02:09 PM - Post#233483
It is definitely a potential program defining moment for Donahue if the Quakers can land Cotton over Yale. I think it's a program defining moment either way. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-03-17 02:15 PM - Post#233484
Maybe... although according to Asia, I'm only moderately less in the dark than everyone else. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-03-17 02:18 PM - Post#233485
That last one was a response to Jeff. I wouldn't come close to labeling whatever happens as "program defining," especially when what Harvard and Princeton will be throwing out there in 18-19 is light years ahead of where Penn would be even with Cotton, but it'd be a big step to get another H2H win versus Yale. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
10-03-17 02:31 PM - Post#233487
What does Penn's recruitment of Cotton have to do with what "Harvard and Yale are throwing out there"? Pretty irrelevant statement unless you just like beating your chest. Seems to me that if Penn beats Yale on a kid they both want, it's a big deal for a program that historically hasn't done that. Sorry if we don't measure up to your snooty standards yet, even if we did split the series with both those schools. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
10-03-17 02:36 PM - Post#233489
for the record, he said harvard/princeton... not yale. had to re-read that one. now, wading into less factual ground, I think MRJAMES thinks (and I think as well), That Harvard routinely picks up guys at Cotton's caliber and occasionally higher. Steve needs to raise his game even further if he gets Cotton. But hey, have to start somewhere, so let's get it done. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
10-03-17 02:45 PM - Post#233490
Thanks for the correction. I mistyped in my haste. Again, it seems to me to be chest thumping on Penn's board. Someone should report him to the moderator... |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-03-17 02:57 PM - Post#233491
I will report myself to myself... I honestly do not mean it as chest thumping. It's just a fact, especially if Harvard and Princeton add anything substantial to close out this 2018 class. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
10-03-17 04:43 PM - Post#233493
Last I checked there was a recruiting board for Harvard and Princeton. Besides, doesn't matter how many 4* Harvard gets Aiken is taking all the shots while those guys watch from the bench or some other place on the court. That's how a team like Princeton/Yale/Penn beats an all star team like Harvard... and for the record, I did know that you were the moderator. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
10-03-17 05:00 PM - Post#233494
Who was the target player in the other Penn vs. Yale recruiting battle? |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-03-17 05:41 PM - Post#233495
AJ Brodeur |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
10-03-17 08:39 PM - Post#233499
Kind of hoping this is some foreshadowing by mrjames to fire us up (just his small way of helping with the rising tide). |
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yoyo Senior Posts 365 |
10-04-17 09:24 AM - Post#233504
The Red & Blue Tide! |
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DJ Jazzy Jeff Freshman Posts 58 |
10-06-17 07:43 AM - Post#233542
FYI, Mike Wang took his official visit to Penn last weekend. |
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Cvonvorys Postdoc Posts 4508 |
10-06-17 09:17 AM - Post#233544
This guy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rc2YErIbAk |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
10-06-17 09:34 AM - Post#233545
Yes that guy I wrote to someone about a month ago that he kind of reminds me of Bob Morse from my day. He's more skilled than Bob was and more athletic, but of course the game has changed radically from the early 70's and everyone is more skilled and more athletic these days. The pg in that youtube video is the highly regarded pg going to Harvard. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
10-06-17 10:02 AM - Post#233546
i feel dumb asking this but did he block LaMelo at about the 1:20 minute mark? i wasn't blown away by the tape. ground bound kept floating in my head. |
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Cvonvorys Postdoc Posts 4508 |
10-06-17 10:38 AM - Post#233548
FWIW, this from ESPN: http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basket ball/recr... |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
10-06-17 11:12 AM - Post#233550
yeah fine. i'm sure he's good. just wasn't excited. MATT COTTON OR GTFO. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
10-06-17 11:37 AM - Post#233551
Jeff- I think you are correct in your comments, although I'd describe him as having average athleticism. One thing we know is that above average athleticism doesn't necessarily correlate to success in our league. I mean no one would ever see players like Hans Brase pick a quarter off the top of the backboard. And guys like Sherard and Sears wouldn't qualify either. I think it's paramount in Donahue's scheme that one has the ability to put the ball in the basket. If we have a 4 who can shoot 40%+ and run the floor and rebound a bit, we have a pretty good mid major, ivy league contributor. The problem we struggle with is we don't have guys that consistently make the open shots our offense is designed to generate, nor have we had the kind of guards who can consistently beat their man off the dribble and dish the ball to guys who then knock down the open 3 pointer. I'm guessing a commitment from a player with Wang's skill set would be welcomed and that he would fit in quite nicely with our current mix. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
10-06-17 11:39 AM - Post#233552
yup, i'm sure you're right. just have had more entertaining uses of 2:15 of youtube. |
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Okoro Dude Senior Posts 309 |
10-06-17 12:46 PM - Post#233554
Hopefully he was there Sunday to see the Sixers playing their Blue/White scrimmage at the Palestra. Good chance to see the Palestra full. I saw most of the team and coaches sitting in 116, but didn't notice if any of the people sitting around them were recruits. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
10-06-17 12:47 PM - Post#233555
I'd be guardedly optimistic re Wang. If he can rate 3* and get an HM offer (A&M) playing a decidedly supporting part for Mater Dei then there's got to be some talent there. I'd imagine he'll have a bigger part to play this year and against some high quality competition. If he shows something, he could be a good one. Put another way, Cotton and Wang are about as good as we can hope for (and need) in a class right now. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-06-17 09:23 PM - Post#233567
I agree Wang doesn't look like he will win any jumping contests, but really like the form on his shot, and it seems that he is performing well on a really good team so far this year. I'd be pumped to have him commit. Looks like ESPN and 247 do have him as 3* recruits also, so sounds promising and seems like a fit for Donahue's offense. Also it looks like Matt Cotton has his Yale visit the weekend after his Penn visit and is visiting Harvard this weekend per Rivals. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-06-17 10:03 PM - Post#233568
Hmm... I don't think that visiting info is right. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-06-17 10:22 PM - Post#233569
I certainly hope Rivals isn't that accurate since they also have interest as high for Yale and Harvard but only Med for Penn (even though they do have visit date). Looks like it says yesterday was visit actually. https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/201 8/matthu... Wouldn't surprise me if it was off. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-09-17 10:58 AM - Post#233601
What does GTFO mean? |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
10-09-17 11:12 AM - Post#233603
it was a joke. get the f out. "matt cotton or bust". |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
10-09-17 11:58 AM - Post#233608
MCOB Yes indeed! |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21272 |
10-09-17 12:26 PM - Post#233611
Serenity now. |
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1979Quakers Freshman Posts 81 |
10-09-17 12:36 PM - Post#233612
Insanity later. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
10-09-17 12:36 PM - Post#233613
God-- I wish I could be optimistic here. I'm trying to breathe through my eyelids. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
10-09-17 02:07 PM - Post#233619
It's pretty funny how we are coming off the 2 best recruiting years since Dunphy and everyone is choking on the issue of next year's recruits. We have a chance to be pretty good this year. And no one is saying anything other than going after me for really liking Antonio Woods. You guys have lost all perspective---that's a losing mentality. Time to look forward to what is right before us. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
10-09-17 02:14 PM - Post#233620
first off, i'm not calling Simmons/JWill/Scott a successful recruiting class until I see them succeed. I'm not falling for the Glen Miller "our class is greater than 10 Super Bowls" thing again. second, it doesn't matter that we have the "best recruiting years since Dunphy". That's nearly as meaningless a time period as trying to compare to the Final Four years. It's a completely different era. Doing good isn't good enough. If we keep on our current trajectory we are at best a 3rd place team over the next half decade. I HOPE Steve Donahue isn't as complacent as you. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
10-09-17 02:17 PM - Post#233621
I'm calling you out on this one Jeff. If anyone on this entire board judges recruits long before they play a game, it is you. We have actual talent here right now that by the end of last year, was competitive with the best teams in the league--beat Harvard and were it not for a missed FT, we had Princeton as well. I only judge what I can see. And what I see is pretty good. I am anything but complacent. But I am optimistic. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
10-09-17 02:40 PM - Post#233622
i mean whatever bro. i'm judging the recruiting class, yes, but I allow for people to play above their grade (as Betley did). But you're narrow, luddit-ian, goal post moving buttisn't getting away with the idea that we "were competitive". We're so far behind the top 3 it hurts. The fact that we now have a tourney, which btw, is at home and allows for randomness to occur does not mean we're on the come. no statistic will agree with you on this. You do realize mrjames reads this board right? |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
10-09-17 02:44 PM - Post#233623
What were the stats for the last 8 games, when we had integrated last year's freshmen (notwithstanding the seasonal overuse of AJ by that point)? I'm not going pure Luddite here---it is based on the actual level of play in the last quarter of the season, combined with the return of a very good player (I know we disagree, but you'll be wrong on this) in Woods and recruiting in the areas we really need some help. I think we crack the top 3---one of those 3 will falter (probably Princeton). |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
10-09-17 02:48 PM - Post#233624
"I'm not going pure Luddite here... except for the part where I throw out all the stats that don't fit my theory of the case" he said unironically And it's not like I'm the only person who thinks Woods wasn't as good as you do. Why do you do that to him? You unfairly put expectations on kids that makes people who see the truth have to tear a kid down. I'm thrilled he's coming back. But that doesn't mean I expect him to be good. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21272 |
10-09-17 02:57 PM - Post#233626
Say what you want, but at least Woods has athletic upside. We need to have some non-freshmen who can make up for Howard's absence in this area. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-09-17 02:59 PM - Post#233627
I'm looking forward to this season for sure, and hoping we are above expectations. Above expectations is what, maybe a 3rd place finish and winning a game in the Ivy tournament? Dream scenario is we upset the apple cart and win the whole thing? The reality is we are still behind the top 3 - doesn't mean our season won't be fun and exciting, but we are far from the favorite. If we want Penn to rise again to the top 1/2 kind of position, in this day and age of Ivy Basketball you just can't whiff on an entire class. That will be a big setback when we are still trying to climb the ladder. If we miss on Cotton, besides Mike Wang, do we have literally anyone left on the recruiting board?! |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-09-17 03:05 PM - Post#233628
and P.S. I am actually really looking forward to this season and think that it will be a fun one. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
10-09-17 03:06 PM - Post#233629
i am too. i really am. But where we may part company is that part of that is knowing there's an IL tourney that we could win. If there wasn't, I'd not be as pumped. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-09-17 03:12 PM - Post#233631
I've said this before on here - the "final quarter" talk is really tricky. Yes, Penn was No. 130 over the final month of the season (9 games - starting with the win over Columbia). That's was a close third to second-place Harvard and way ahead of Yale. BUT, looking at the final 5 games of the year, Penn was No. 207. And that was a DISTANT fourth. That's not great, consistent information that Penn was pointed in the right direction. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-09-17 03:15 PM - Post#233632
This is totally fair Jeff, and also probably why I am still excited. I would always be interested, but this does step it up. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
10-09-17 03:21 PM - Post#233633
Actually, Penn played very well in every game over those 9 except for the Dartmouth home game. And best of all, in those 9 games, the points scored by the AJ-Betley-Goodman trio were 26, 50, 49, 35, 38, 33, 37, 34 and 32. They were freshmen! So if you add Woods, Foreman has a good senior year, we get some bounds and easy points from Rothschild in his minutes and we get the off the dribble shooting from Donahue and Jones, we have a lot of points before even thinking about the freshmen. Penn will have a lot of depth this year and if the freshman class is as good as advertised, we have a chance to compete. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
10-09-17 03:26 PM - Post#233634
I am more optimistic on Woods than I have represented. I only reported what I have heard since his return. I liked him as a player and am more in P38's camp that he will be better used in this version of SD's system than he was on a talentless team 2 years ago. I believe AW can be a starter for this team and a major contributor. Based on his participation and progress thus far I was pessimistic that could happen. |
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section110 Masters Student Posts 847 |
10-09-17 03:42 PM - Post#233637
Keep on trolling. In the Ivy tournament, and over its last four games, Harvard was the fourth best team in the league. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-09-17 03:46 PM - Post#233639
What does "compete" mean to you? The context of where you see other Ivies and what you're competing for is important. To me, competing for the one seed means being a Top 75 team. Having a reasonable shot at stealing a tourney game at home or maybe even two probably is more like Top 150. While I think the latter is possible, the former is seemingly crazy talk. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-09-17 03:52 PM - Post#233640
Over Harvard's final 4 games, it was No. 119 nationally. Over the same span, Princeton was No. 43, Yale was 126 and Penn was No. 213. Trolling is throwing purposely inflammatory opinions out there meant to provoke others. I'm literally just reading you the facts. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
10-09-17 03:59 PM - Post#233641
Didn't Harvard lose to all 3 of those teams in it's final 4 games? |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
10-09-17 04:12 PM - Post#233642
Trolling is acknowledging that the numbers for the last 9 games are much better than the last 4 (as well as a larger sample) and then trying to make a point using only the last 4. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
10-09-17 04:12 PM - Post#233643
no, no that's not at all what trolling is. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-09-17 04:17 PM - Post#233644
That's not really trolling, and that's not what I was trying to do either. My point merely is that if you wanted to use the final 9, which is a really small sample, you'd feel more comfortable if two halves of the 9 were closer than Top 50 team and non-Top 200 team. That's what makes Penn's final 9 game ranking so pointless, because it didn't really ever play like that average team. |
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section110 Masters Student Posts 847 |
10-09-17 04:25 PM - Post#233645
It's ranking for the season may have been 119 over the last four games; but, in the last games it lost to Penn, Princeton & Yale. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
10-09-17 04:26 PM - Post#233646
That's why I tried to give you the numbers on the 3 freshmen, which were pretty consistent over that period. The variance occurred primarily among guys like Donahue and Jones, who aren't going to play as much this year. Moreover, their 3 losses in the last 9 were by 2,3 and 8 in OT while their wins (except for Harvard) were big wins. I think they played pretty consistently well over that period. But I agree that it is a small sample. We'll just have to see how it goes from the start this year. It will be important not to burn out AJ as they did last year. But there are more options. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-09-17 04:47 PM - Post#233651
No, that's the ranking from that four-game sample. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
10-09-17 05:08 PM - Post#233653
Penn was a pretty uneven team with results that ranged from a home loss to Dartmouth and a home victory over Harvard. My guess is if we don't have a few new bodies in the mix, we'll be uneven again. I doubt Brodeur hits the wall like he did last year and that ought to help some. Still ....., I happen to think Woods looked very good in most of the games leading up to his academic issues. The 3 point shooting wasn't great but we don't get great 3 point shooting from our other pg candidates. So I'm guessing he starts. I also think if our freshmen don't see the court early on, we'll end up with the same team we put on the floor last year. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
10-09-17 05:12 PM - Post#233654
Matt Cotton set to announce decision at 6 today per the twitters. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21272 |
10-09-17 05:34 PM - Post#233656
Gonna take his talents to [insert joke here].... |
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20Penn14 Senior Posts 364 |
10-09-17 06:05 PM - Post#233657
He is going to Yale |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
10-09-17 06:45 PM - Post#233660
Ack. Is this confirmed? |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-09-17 06:49 PM - Post#233661
Yeah, announced shortly after 6. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
10-09-17 06:53 PM - Post#233662
Shoot. I thought he would be the perfect bridge in our recruiting classes to raise the team a notch. Per the observations of others, one very strong recruit helps solidify us in the top 4 and makes us a threat among the top 2-3. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-09-17 07:45 PM - Post#233664
So, not a great look for our recruiting efforts or ability to close against the top 3 Ivy teams... we literally had the home court advantage (his parents live in SJ), and still couldn't make it happen. With the litany of other misses, there is Mike Wang who I think would be a nice pickup and then... Seriously curious if anyone knows of any other quality kids on our radar for 2018? As I said above, in today's Ivy you can't whiff on a class and expect to succeed. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
10-09-17 08:19 PM - Post#233667
I am sure there are gap year kids at the NMH, New Hampton Brewster league that are available. |
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20Penn14 Senior Posts 364 |
10-09-17 08:22 PM - Post#233668
The other players still listed on VC are: Kris Wooten 6'0 180 PG Trey Wertz 6'5 180 SG 3* ESPN Akuwovo 'Savior' Ogeneyole 6'9 SF |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
10-09-17 09:01 PM - Post#233669
Mike Wang or GTFO |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-09-17 09:35 PM - Post#233670
Trey Wertz looks like a great prospect, but based on online information he doesn't seem to be considering Penn at this point. Not much about Kris Wooten online, but we offered in July so seems relatively recent (and decent offers in Fordham and BU). Saviour Akuwovo looks like an interesting prospect, but we offered him almost a year and a half ago, so have no idea where that really stands. Also very little about him online. Then there is Mike Wang who I would be happy to see commit to Penn. Still... not a lot of options left that are public. |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
10-09-17 10:08 PM - Post#233671
Well phooey. Nice to see all the Yale fans overjoyed at this news over on their board. What the hell is James Jones selling over there? It's not like the facilities are all that (though Payne Whitney does have its quirky charms). I'm not aware of a super-involved fan base or noisy alums with a deep commitment to the basketball team. Is it just the brand advantage? Financial aid advantage? J.J.'s sparkling personality? A few weeks ago Mike was telling us that he "wasn't sure who we were competing against" for Mr. Cotton's services. Nice to see Yale swoop in and grab him. This really stinks. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
10-09-17 10:16 PM - Post#233672
Josh re: Penn's remaining 2018 effort Josh Verlin†It's not the type of class where they need kids, with 2016/17 being so strong. So they went after a few top kids, but ultimately focused on '19. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-10-17 12:35 AM - Post#233673
Trey Wertz looks like a great prospect, but based on online information he doesn't seem to be considering Penn at this point Well, shows what I know from reading into stuff online. Per @JustinByerly 2018 guard Trey Wertz of Team Loaded NC/Providence Day will take an official visit to Penn this weekend. Based on most recent offers, Trey Wertz looks like a great prospect. I don't know what type of chance we have, but good job by coaches to get him to visit. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
10-10-17 07:50 AM - Post#233675
He took an official to Temple two weekends ago and was on an official to Santa Clara last weekend. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-10-17 08:13 AM - Post#233676
Don't read into it that Yale wasn't in there and suddenly swooped in. Yale was there. A lot was unclear at that time (Harvard hadn't landed its targets yet, for instance, so whether it would be in the running wasn't known), but it became clear pretty quickly that it was Penn-Yale and that Yale was the leader. There was a bit of time last week where that seemed to vacillate, but yesterday there wasn't a lot of mystery about who he'd choose. Trey's more highly regarded than Cotton, so landing him would be a nice response. Don't see it happening, though. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
10-10-17 09:07 AM - Post#233678
Cotton's choice should not be much of a surprise - back on 9/20, Mike posted that Kelly and Cotton would both end up at Yale. While I have no ties to the Elis, I could certainly understand why an highly rated student-athlete would want to join its team. Top 5 university, very good coach, 2 championships in the last 3 years, 17 years in the upper division of the IL, and 8 players presently in the pros are some of the reasons why a clear headed young man would choose to go to Yale. While Penn certainly has lots to offer, can it, at this time, match Yale's recent results? It would be great if Wertz ended up at Penn, however, I am trying to keep lower expectations. FWIW, his father, who covers local basketball for the Charlotte Observer, re-tweeted an announcement that SMU would be coming to Providence Day to watch his son. He did not re-tweet the items regarding his son's upcoming visit to Penn. I certainly appreciate Josh's statement about '18 recruiting. On the other hand, Penn gave out a rather large number of offers (at least 15, I believe) for a class they may not have had much interest. Also, they lost out to conference rivals for several of the top prospects that they may have targeted. While Harvard, Princeton and Yale continue to distance themselves from the other 5 schools with on-court performance, they seem to be doing the same on the recruiting trail. Assuming SD has taken a more passive approach to the class of '18, the pressure will really be on for the class of '19. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
10-10-17 11:17 AM - Post#233694
you know what? This S U C K S. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
10-10-17 04:45 PM - Post#233731
To be clear, I think Josh's statement is valuable from an informational standpoint and extremely disappointing from the standpoint of Penn's ability to execute in recruiting thus far. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
10-10-17 06:12 PM - Post#233746
For the record, I think we have a good chance to close the gap to the top 3 this year. I am optimistic. I think we've got two very good players who complement each other in AJ and Betley. Just need another to join them. My quibble with you was just with the liklihood that Woods is that guy -- I think it is more likely to end up being one of the freshmen. Sorry if we got kind of negative in discussing that. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-11-17 09:59 PM - Post#233830
Mike Wang to Penn. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
10-11-17 11:08 PM - Post#233831
So, would we call this good-ish news? |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-12-17 02:16 AM - Post#233833
I'd be curious to hear what Mike James and others closer to it think. Particularly what the perception of Wang is versus other 2018 bigs that have committed. Without any inside info I'm personallly excited for it. Wang is a 3 star recruit per 247 and ESPN (he was actually rated higher overall than Matt Cotton by both). He plays at a top school with big time players in practice everyday, and he is 6'9" or 6'10" and shoots 3s which is a good fit for our offense. He has a nice looking shot with a seemingly quick release. He also seems to be playing well starting his senior season even sharing the ball with highly rated kids. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
10-12-17 08:23 AM - Post#233835
I don't know much about Wang but based on the few clips and writeups I've seen I think he's a good fit for Donahue's offense. His ability on defense is likely to determine what his ceiling is. I don't know one way or the other about that. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
10-12-17 09:27 AM - Post#233840
Seriously glad we got Wang. Now excited to move on the really fun part of recruiting where Penn's coach signs someone in February and is shocked that they were able to find such a good recruit under the radar while we all nod knowingly. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
10-12-17 10:19 AM - Post#233843
While Miller and Allen played that game on occasion (remember that kid Gallagher recruited from a trip to Australia?), Donahue hasn't. BTW Wang has been a PF because he plays with Manute Bol's son on his HS team and Shaq's son on his AAU team. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
10-12-17 10:34 AM - Post#233845
I think Wang is a PF period. He might be considered a 5 in a Princeton style offense even though their style has evolved. But teach him the hook shot and the up and under and he looks like Hans Brase or the many Princeton 5's that proceeded him. For us, he looks like a 4. PS Bol did play on that California Supreme team along with Harvard recruit Spencer Freedman. When Bol showed up, he was their lead scorer. When he missed games Freedman usually led them in scoring. Wang actually played against Mason Forbes in the Peach Jam tourney. The big question has already been asked by others - defensive ability. There is little team defense played in AAU ball and highlight film tends to feature blocks rather than defensive fundamentals. So - who knows. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
10-12-17 10:58 AM - Post#233847
Maybe I'm naive, but I'm not worried about his defensive abilities. Donahue et al appear to have developed a defensive scheme that players who are not individual defensive standouts can execute effectively as a team. I expect that Wang will be able to play within that system as well. I also can't help but notice that he seems to have a pretty good form on his jump shot, with a nice, high release point. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
10-12-17 11:18 AM - Post#233848
SM, you're being naive. First, there's little chance he's going to be able to get away with being the primary "under the basket" defender (I know you didn't say he would be, just pointing it out). It's Brodeur now, then hopefully Simmons after that. So I'm happy he's played mostly at PF in HS. Wang is going to have to be able to guard the other team's PF, which is sometimes going to be a tall wing. And you can't hide everyone on defense, even with the type of schemes Penn was using last year. And you can't play zone all the time. |
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Okoro Dude Senior Posts 309 |
10-12-17 11:28 AM - Post#233849
I'm with you. Seems like a solid recruit with a track record playing with and against other very good players. Doesn't catch us up to the others, but I would have been seriously depressed to lose out on yet another known target. Let's hope there is at least one nice surprise left. Only need to hit on a couple of the right kids per class. Our margin for error in this class is still low, but I feel better than I did yesterday. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-12-17 11:55 AM - Post#233852
My comp would be Jon Jaques. Role player. Good floor spacer. Might not ever be a guy that plays 25-30 mins a game - rather more of a right spot, right time type. He certainly has a plus skill, which is always a good starting point. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
10-12-17 12:42 PM - Post#233858
Funny, Jaques was the player I was thinking of but I haven't seen enough of Wang to know how good of a comp that really is. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-12-17 02:29 PM - Post#233863
I was wondering if a slightly more versital Jan Fikiel was a good comparison? Either way still happy to see him come to Penn. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
10-12-17 03:08 PM - Post#233865
Mike, you may be underestimating how good Jaques was as a floor spacer his senior year. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-15-17 07:12 PM - Post#234017
Think we've hashed out Mike Wang convo quite a bit but sorry I never responded here. Bottom line I don't like any of the comparisons (including my own) because I've seen so little video, but what I do know is I'm glad Wang is coming to Penn because I'm a fan of 6'9"/6'10" guys who can hit 3s! I'm going to see if I can catch a game or two of his out here if possible. That will prob be more valuable. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-15-17 07:14 PM - Post#234018
Changing gears... I saw Amir Harris decommitted from URI. I know his final two before were URI and Temple, but anyone know if there is a chance we could get back in the mix here? |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
10-15-17 08:52 PM - Post#234022
Bottom line I don't like any of the comparisons (including my own) because I've seen so little video, but what I do know is I'm glad Wang is coming to Penn because I'm a fan of 6'9"/6'10" guys who can hit 3s! I'm pretty sure Steve Donahue feels the same way. Wang's game is likely to fit well into Penn's system. |
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20Penn14 Senior Posts 364 |
10-16-17 05:57 PM - Post#234057
Kris Wooten tweeted that he will announce his decision on Friday 6'0 180 PG with offers from: Fordham, Penn, Boston University, Elon, American |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-20-17 02:46 PM - Post#234266
Doesn't seem like he was a priority, but looks like he committed to Elon. |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
10-22-17 02:12 PM - Post#234332
Verbal Commits 2018 Providence Day (NC) G Trey Wertz has committed to Santa Clara. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-22-17 03:34 PM - Post#234336
Yeah, sadly was never going Ivy. Won't lose good kids like this forever, but still not quite to the point where going Ivy is an easy decision for all. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
10-22-17 05:23 PM - Post#234339
mrjames, I'm curious what you mean by that. Is there still a meaningful financial gap vs. a scholarship? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21272 |
10-22-17 07:47 PM - Post#234345
mrjames, I'm curious what you mean by that. Is there still a meaningful financial gap vs. a scholarship? This has been the subject of many a heated thread on this board, as the answer is "it depends". If you're talking about Harvard nowadays, for example, the answer is probably 'no' given its unparalleled ability to dole out financial aid versus some of the other Ivies. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-22-17 08:47 PM - Post#234347
Our league loses/does not compete for lots of talent each year that doesn't get a full or substantially full ride under current FA guidelines. There don't seem to be real substantial, consistent differences between the schools on the FA front, however the strategy behind which prospects to pursue given an FA read obviously differs. It's all game theory; Finite resources, can't pursue everyone, so, all else equal, do I pursue the prospect that will get a full ride but for whose services I face stiff competition across the league OR do I pursue a prospect that has to pay a substantial amount, but for whose services I might have a much clearer shot. Teams that are more confident they can win battles against the rest of the league might, given the parameters of this game, opt to endure the competition for prospects who get full aid, while others might try to prioritize some prospects who might be willing to pay to attend but might not. Not speaking to the specific case here, but just Ivy recruiting in general right now. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
10-23-17 03:44 AM - Post#234353
Thanks mrjames. Clearly Harvard and Princeton are in the camp of confident they can win vs. competition. Not clear if Yale or Penn should feel that confidence or not. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2818 |
10-23-17 11:20 PM - Post#234449
Perhaps, you could cite a few examples? |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
10-24-17 08:59 AM - Post#234456
Looks like Wertz chose Santa Clara, in part, for the allure of playing for Coach Sendek and becoming the next James Harden. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/high-schoo... |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
10-27-17 06:31 AM - Post#234712
Penn offered 2018 Ricky Lindo who I believe is a 2018 hs grad even though one of the recruiting sites lists him as a 2019. Lindo is 6-7 or 6-8 with guard like skills (grew 6 inches in hs). He would seem to be a wing in our system who would be strong at attacking the basket and defending his position. The film on the internet dates back to Dec 2016 and shows him making his 3 pointers. He has a classic stroke but, as we all know, highlight film tends to leave out the misses. At any rate, we missed out on a couple of good wings, Lindo has a bunch of Ivy and other mid major offers and would be a very interesting addition to our 2018 class (assuming he is a 2018). |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-27-17 08:23 AM - Post#234730
Heard that name a *lot* more earlier in the cycle. It's not a great sign when you stop hearing a name, but there can be a lot of reasons for it - not all bad. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
10-27-17 08:50 AM - Post#234742
Highlights remind me of Danny Monckton. Has some hops, could be a useful defender, made outside shots (of course) and didn't look awkward at it. Other offers look to be from comparables (Ivy, Patriot) and low/mid-majors if info on sites are accurate. Plays in a public HS which may account for lack of publicity. I'm in just for that - AI's biggest casualty has been the urban public HS player. https://www.prephoops.com/2017/07/recruiting-re por... |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
10-27-17 08:50 AM - Post#234743
Between Twitter and other recruiting sites there are indications of the following offers: Penn - just now Long Beach State - 10/18 Bucknell - 10/13 East Carolina - 7/4 JMU - 5/2 GW - 5/1 Lehigh 4/26 Loyola -4/26 Yale - 4/24 High Point - 4/23 Brown -4/18 Harvard - 4/8 Campbell -2/17 RMU - 1/25 BGU - 1/25 Canisus - 1/25 Mt St Mary's - 1/3 |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-27-17 09:34 AM - Post#234749
Don't know about Brown, but Harvard and Yale offers don't exist anymore, I don't think. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
10-27-17 09:55 AM - Post#234755
Plays for Panamanian youth teams. Seems stoked about the Penn offer on twitter. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
10-27-17 10:02 AM - Post#234758
I agree Mike. You have Kirkwood and Yale has Cotton. I forgot Columbia on the list I posted. They offered him on 1/16. |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
10-27-17 10:11 AM - Post#234761
Kid plays at Wilson, my local public school. May have to check him out. What exactly constitutes a recruiting violation? Just want to be clear. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
10-27-17 10:46 AM - Post#234778
Considering UNC got no penalties for fake classes, I think you have to hand them an envelope of cash. And post the video online. And alert the NCAA as to what happened. (For the record, I joke.) |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
10-27-17 11:00 AM - Post#234784
Yet Pitino got run out of town by a blowjob (he clearly would have survived the current scandal had it not been for that). |
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KenZ Postdoc Posts 2777 |
10-27-17 11:33 AM - Post#234799
Lindo indicated some time ago that he plans to do a post grad year. i assume this is why the chatter quieted down and also why he is listed as a 2019. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
10-27-17 12:51 PM - Post#234811
That is accurate but he seems to have recently maybe changed his thinking and could come in as a 2018. Another interesting aspect here is that he grew 6" from his sophomore to his junior season and went from being a guard to much more of a wing player. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
10-27-17 01:24 PM - Post#234820
A meet and greet at ShopRite is OK. Offering to put the tab on your Price Plus card might not be. |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
10-27-17 01:49 PM - Post#234829
A meet and greet at ShopRite is OK. Offering to put the tab on your Price Plus card might not be. How about the Whole Foods across the street from his high school? |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
10-27-17 02:19 PM - Post#234835
That would equate to an athletic scholarship. Don't tell Robin Harris. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-27-17 02:37 PM - Post#234841
Per Jesse Dougherty of WashPo: Lindo Jr. is extremely versatile at 6-7 and is still deciding whether he’ll prep next year or enroll at a college in Class of 2018. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-27-17 02:38 PM - Post#234842
Like the sound of this: Ricky Lindo Jr. 6'8" 2018, Wilson HS, awarded Doctor of Dunk 1 of best dunkers in DMV Exc D1 recruit prephoops.com/2017/10/doctor… @Lanky_smoove_ |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
10-27-17 02:46 PM - Post#234845
Wonder if our offer is for 2018? Also looks like he did well at local Philly event in last few weeks: #BlackCagerClassic standouts: Ricky Lindo, Jyare Davis, Eric Dixon, Seth Lundy, Xander Rice, Ace Baldwin, Ayinde Hikim, Tyler Spann |
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20Penn14 Senior Posts 364 |
02-20-18 05:17 PM - Post#248711
Pat Lawless @patlawless_ Breaking: Savior Akuwovo has committed to Howard University - Talks about his journey and decision https://t.co/t6BtWmGDpb https://t.co/nNckDlbsZK |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
02-20-18 10:43 PM - Post#248739
I think we might start thinking about our Class of 18 as a 3 man class: Wang, Scott and Williams. |
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Stuart Suss PhD Student Posts 1439 |
02-20-18 11:17 PM - Post#248744
AsiaSunset posted: I think we might start thinking about our Class of 18 as a 3 man class: Wang, Scott and Williams. . . . . . and Mark Jackson and Tyler Hamilton. Then, we should compare the Penn "incoming" class to Harvard's "incoming" freshman class, and include Tommy McCarthy (and a full season of Bryce Aiken) in the Harvard group. I invite Mike James to contribute any relevant numbers to this comparison. |
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QHoops Senior Posts 369 |
02-20-18 11:23 PM - Post#248745
Have we heard anything about how Mark Jackson fared in practice? |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
02-21-18 12:56 AM - Post#248752
Did you see Penn's game against UCF last year? Think Taco Fall. Mark Jackson is the Taco Fall of the IL. He is going to get on the floor and when he does, you cannot keep him from getting rebounds and put backs. He will also be a great rim protector without ever jumping (or being able to jump) |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
02-21-18 06:47 AM - Post#248755
Stu You are not one who normally misses the point. Michael Wang, Eddie Scott and Jelani Williams will all have 4 years of eligibility next fall. None of the other names you mentioned will have 4 years left. Thus - all 3 will be effectively freshmen in terms of basketball next fall. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
02-21-18 07:36 AM - Post#248756
Couldn’t Jackson be as well? He’s been in street clothes with the injured guys for most of the year. Not real confident about the Taco Fall comparison, or about his prospects for playing down the line, but he seemingly would be in position to have 4 more years of eligibility. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
02-21-18 07:51 AM - Post#248757
You need a season ending injury in addition to not having played in the second semester. If Jackson has been injured, it’s something I’m not aware of. But - maybe .... |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
02-21-18 09:03 AM - Post#248762
Jackson has been in street clothes. Was assuming due to injury. Of course it's only four years for Penn if the athlete wants it and can afford it. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
02-21-18 09:18 AM - Post#248763
We've been on the road for a couple weeks and there are restrictions on how many can dress. Let's check it out this weekend. Maybe he is injured. I haven't heard anything that confirms that though. Of course, Ivies aren't particularly free flowing with that type of information. I'm pretty sure at this point in time the master plan is for Jelani and Eddie to be around for 4 more seasons. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
02-21-18 09:39 AM - Post#248765
Jackson hasn’t been dressed for home games either, in months. I’ve never heard what the injury is, if any, but it appears there is one. So theoretically he could be clear to play and dress this weekend, but I doubt it at this point. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
02-21-18 09:46 AM - Post#248766
SomeGuy is correct - this isn't something new and I've noticed him in street clothes for home games. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
02-21-18 10:15 AM - Post#248768
Yeah I meant to ask about Jackson post Columbia game when I noticed him in street clothes. It's been at least that long. |
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yoyo Senior Posts 365 |
02-21-18 01:58 PM - Post#248795
it's been all season |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
02-21-18 02:17 PM - Post#248796
Mark Jackson has been practicing with the team. Not sure why he doesn't dress. He may not be cleared. I know early this season he wasn't cleared to play but was able to work out. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
02-21-18 05:25 PM - Post#248809
Harvard's class is very strong, especially for a small class. Noah Kirkwood is a ridiculous talent - essentially a 6'7 point guard that is great in the open floor and plays strong defense. If he could shoot the three consistently, he'd be at a Duke/Kansas/Kentucky, but that part of his game is a work in progress. For now, he's a more physically developed and overall bigger Wes Saunders. I think Spencer Freedman is overhyped as a consensus 4-star, but should be a very solid and steady backup point guard for a couple years barring injury. You'll really see him shine as a junior/senior (when, by the way, he'll be 22 and 23). Mason Forbes is a bit of a project in the post (and I'd have rather seen the team go with Trey Jemison, who was a bit more of a true 5), but he could be a good energy guy early in his career. Kale Catchings is interesting - super athletic slasher - but not a likely freshman breakout candidate. All told, it's a Top 50 class nationally, possibly on the fringes of the Top 25 depending on how good you feel about Kirkwood. Princeton's class is similar. Jaelin is a stud. Ethan Wright is a solid off guard, who could also make an impact right away. The rest are intriguing pieces that could be big contributors later in their careers. Not a huge fan of what Penn has done with the combined 2017 and 2018 classes, though Wang, Williams, Scott as a class is *probably* the third best one in the Ivies. There's just such a big gap between what Harvard and Princeton were able to do in this down year and everyone else did. |
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FlaQuaker Junior Posts 223 |
02-21-18 05:38 PM - Post#248811
Mike, how are things looking for 2019 throughout the league--any info on how that class is shaping up at this point in the process? |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
02-21-18 05:49 PM - Post#248814
Lot of pressure on Donahue this year. He's really got to up his recruiting game or this season's success will be seen as more of an aberration than anything. I cannot imagine how frustrating recruiting must be, particularly with a shrinking (thank you, AI minimum) universe of eligible talent. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
02-21-18 06:20 PM - Post#248819
Always hard to say until the test scores come in and the targets continue to progress (or not, as in the 2018 class) over the spring/summer circuits. From what I've heard, 2019 should be a big year for Ivy-eligible bigs, if not for Ivy prospects for the class as a whole. At the very least, many Ivy teams have made sure to leave themselves a bunch of open slots for the 2019 class rather than taking extra players in the 2018 class, so that's usually a sign of belief in what's to come (could also be a further condemnation of what was available for 2018, though). |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
02-21-18 08:35 PM - Post#248839
Well, I think he has some time. Obviously it would be great to capitalize on the soph class as fast as possible, but we still have them for 2 more years after this. So I’m not too worried. Think of the Wang class as a stronger version of Dunphy’s Solomito class. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
02-22-18 11:23 AM - Post#248884
Speaking of injuries, Dave Zeitlin had a nice article on Dan Dwyer. He was operated on post Christmas for a rare form of diverticulitis and lost 30 pounds in the process. He's stayed very connected to the team and will be honored on senior night but is not expected to take a 5th year at Penn. He is on track to graduate in May. He might take a 5th year at another school as a grad student but that's yet to be determined. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
02-22-18 11:30 AM - Post#248885
http://www.pennathletics.com/news/2018/2/21/mens-b ... |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
02-22-18 11:30 AM - Post#248886
Wouldn't it be nice if Dan could take that 5th year at Penn as a grad student? I'd be interested in hearing the argument against such a policy. |
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SteveChop PhD Student Posts 1156 |
02-22-18 02:10 PM - Post#248896
I'm not sure that the NCAA (or the Ivy League) permits that. He could choose to double major at Penn (though it may be too late for that) and get a 5th year. Keep in mind that staying at Penn means paying $75,000; having another school pick him up may give him a free year. My hope is that he makes the best decision for HIS future and that he fully recovers from this unfortunate illness. |
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13otto Masters Student Posts 779 |
02-25-18 03:36 PM - Post#249505
Jackson hasn’t been dressed for home games either, in months. I’ve never heard what the injury is, if any, but it appears there is one. So theoretically he could be clear to play and dress this weekend, but I doubt it at this point. Mark Jackson had a boot on his right foot last night, and I think I recall seeing him wearing the boot at the Palestra a few weeks earlier, as well.
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DJ Jazzy Jeff Freshman Posts 58 |
02-25-18 10:47 PM - Post#249540
I'm pretty sure that how Penn handles the Ivy League rule when it comes to "red shirts"/extra years of eligibility (even when it comes as a result of an injury) is as follows: if you are on campus and participating in basketball activities then that counts as a year of eligibility. I.e. Antonio has a extra year because he left school. I believe everybody else that has been previously mentioned as "moving to another class" won't be able to do so. Penn is different than other schools that make their students effectively withdraw from school, in that if a student doesn't participate in basketball activities while on campus, they don't count it as a year of eligibility. To further explain, if you are a student at Harvard and in your senior year decide to tryout and make the basketball team, you have that 1 year of eligibility left, while if you were at Penn, you would have 4. So to sum things up, since everybody previously mentioned hasn't stopped basketball activities, they are all still in their respective classes. If I'm wrong, please correct me (but I'm pretty sure I'm right). |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2697 |
02-25-18 10:49 PM - Post#249541
Big advantage for Penn over other schools. Wonder if it's used much. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
02-25-18 11:04 PM - Post#249542
It's not just Penn, and it's one year, not four. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
02-26-18 10:56 AM - Post#249561
It's not used much. I think there still needs to be a compelling reason why the student athlete requires 5 years to complete a bachelor's degree. For example a dual business / engineering degree requires 5 years worth of classes. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
02-26-18 11:03 AM - Post#249564
Last 3 I can remember are Bernardini (made a difference), Darren Smith and Andreas Schreiber, who made little or no difference in their 5th years |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
02-26-18 11:21 AM - Post#249569
Yeah - I think any advantage that this afforded has waned significantly due to the attractiveness of the grad transfer market. Any player good enough to make an impact in his fifth year is probably good enough to get a multi-bid league grad transfer scholarship. Maybe in the right circumstances (full FA and a desired double-major) it makes sense for a high caliber player to stay for the 5th year, but I'd expect that many of the players we regret losing to the grad transfer wouldn't have stayed in this league as a 5th year anyway. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
02-26-18 11:56 AM - Post#249578
Mater Dei Hoops †@MaterDeiHoops Feb 24 FINAL: MD advances to the CIF Open Division Final next Friday w/ a 76-66 win over Etiwanda! Wang flirts w/ a triple/double 23pts/10rbs/8ast, Freedman 22pts (13-16 FT)/5ast, Lundeen 11pts, Breidenbach 10pts/8rbs, Butler 4pts/12rbs |
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yoyo Senior Posts 365 |
02-26-18 01:39 PM - Post#249601
I cannot wait to see this kid in a Penn uniform |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
03-03-18 10:27 AM - Post#250398
Meanwhile Mater Dei squeaked by in the CIF -SS finals. Wang had 14 and Freedman 13. Wang fouled out with 5+ to go and Freedman made some key plays down the stretch to secure a 2 point victory. |
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Stuart Suss PhD Student Posts 1439 |
03-03-18 11:23 AM - Post#250410
Is there any live video of upcoming playoff games? Is there archived video of past playoff games? |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
03-03-18 01:14 PM - Post#250421
https://www.materdei.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC... |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
03-09-18 04:23 PM - Post#251583
We were checking out Caleb Matthews, the Gatorade POY from DE, last night. Kid went 13/13 from the line, including 6/6 in the final 30 seconds to win 47-45 vs a private school powerhouse. My buddy has been telling me about him the whole season and while he's not a game changer, he's a dead on shooter, especially at the line and off screens. Seems we could use someone like that. He's 6'3 and we're competing with Brown, Drexel and Bowling Green. He will have some trouble creating his own shot and needs to get stronger but the shot is pure. He's a senior... http://www.hockessincommunitynews.com/sports/20180... |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
03-09-18 10:21 PM - Post#251622
We are graduating 2 very good 3 point shooters so seems like this would be a welcome addition! |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
03-19-18 12:30 PM - Post#253802
Per this Idaho newspaper, Penn has offered a College of Southern Idaho (JuCo) guard who broke the team record for 3 pointers: https://news.hjnews.com/allaccess/hendricks-b reaks... |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-19-18 12:44 PM - Post#253806
He checks off all the boxes of the hint that Penn is recruiting a tall thin guard who can shoot from the outside. As a JuCo he presumably could have immediate impact. One of the recruits in this year's Wrestling class has the same name but I'm assuming that's just a strange coincidence. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
03-19-18 01:00 PM - Post#253808
Well, that's one solution for replacing Caleb Wood. Go out and get another Caleb Wood. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2143 |
03-19-18 01:18 PM - Post#253813
Well, that's one solution for replacing Caleb Wood. Go out and get another Caleb Wood. I had a very similar thought. The resemblance is uncanny. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-19-18 01:22 PM - Post#253814
Height : 6'5" 3FG% : 41.7% FT% : 82.4% Already sounds better than over half the recruits from the Dark Era (TM). |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2143 |
03-19-18 01:25 PM - Post#253815
Height : 6'5" 3FG% : 41.7% FT% : 82.4% Already sounds better than over half the recruits from the Dark Era (TM). And what's not to love about his FT shooting percentage? |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
03-19-18 01:29 PM - Post#253816
And what's not to love about his FT shooting percentage? Well, it IS against JuCo defenses. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
03-19-18 03:20 PM - Post#253825
Height : 6'5" 3FG% : 41.7% FT% : 82.4% Already sounds better than over half the recruits from the Dark Era (TM). And what's not to love about his FT shooting percentage? Don't worry. We'll fix that. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
03-19-18 03:23 PM - Post#253826
I'll also point out, for those who look down their noses at JUCO kids because it's a some sort of 'academic sellout,' that Caleb Wood apparently maintained a 4.0 average while at Penn. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-19-18 03:37 PM - Post#253827
Four years of college isn't affordable to everyone. JuCo / Community colleges are a real good way to cut back the costs for the first couple of years. And paradoxically we're at a point where Ivies are more affordable than many other universities. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2143 |
03-19-18 03:46 PM - Post#253829
I seem to recall reading somewhere that in Wood's case, the issue was that he didn't receive any D1 scholarship offers he found appealing, and realizing that his game needed work, went the juco route. |
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SteveChop PhD Student Posts 1156 |
03-19-18 05:02 PM - Post#253835
Including the goatee! If he can come close to what Caleb meant to this year's team, he will be a great fit. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
03-19-18 05:20 PM - Post#253840
First, of course, he has to decide to come here. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
03-19-18 06:14 PM - Post#253842
Caleb is one of the feel good stories of the year. I always wondered how he got lost on last year's team when he was one of very few people who could shoot straight. He looked good in the early games I saw (I didn't watch many). This year, he really blossomed into his role. He was able to surprise opponents with sneaky fast penetration when they overplayed his three pointers. He was the key to many of our wins. I remember when he was recruited, someone on the board (maybe NYCHoops?) said that someone they trusted said Wood would be the best player on the team. Well, he was one of many "best" players on the most cohesive Penn team I've seen. Hoping we get more like him. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
03-19-18 07:27 PM - Post#253853
With the exception of Ira Bowman, I don't think Penn has ever had a better 6th man. He was every bit as valuable to the team as any starter. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
03-19-18 07:58 PM - Post#253857
Caleb really improved, especially moving without the ball. He played decent, not great defense - good enough to stay on the court. He was a terrific 1st option off the bench. Hendricks does look like the same type. He certainly has the 26 foot jumper in his arsenal. Will need to play defense and that will be his challenge. Meanwhile the women got a 2019 commitment from a 6-2 forward with an inside and outside game named Silke Milliman from Northfield Mt Hermon. She looks like a very good recruit for Mike. |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
03-19-18 08:01 PM - Post#253858
"With the exception of Ira Bowman, I don't think Penn has ever had a better 6th man. He was every bit as valuable to the team as any starter." Phil Hankinson on the Wohl/Bilsky/Morse/Calhoun /Wolf team. Littlepage was the number 7 guy. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
03-21-18 11:01 PM - Post#254046
We were checking out Caleb Matthews, the Gatorade POY from DE, last night. Kid went 13/13 from the line, including 6/6 in the final 30 seconds to win 47-45 vs a private school powerhouse. My buddy has been telling me about him the whole season and while he's not a game changer, he's a dead on shooter, especially at the line and off screens. Seems we could use someone like that. He's 6'3 and we're competing with Brown, Drexel and Bowling Green. He will have some trouble creating his own shot and needs to get stronger but the shot is pure. He's a senior... http://www.hockessincommunitynews.com/sports/20180... Since it seems this is getting some more play (nice to hear) his team won the title... Here are his playoff highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzD8fgSp_WM |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
03-22-18 08:40 AM - Post#254059
Seems obvious that Imegwu is not the guy that Chip heard some whispers about. Personally I think the JUCO transfer has a better shot of contributing next year, but I really have no idea where we stand with either of these kids. I do see a recurring theme in our current approach; that is, recruiting priority placed on the ability to shoot the ball. Imegwu definitely has range and can hit the 3 pointer, both standing still or coming around a pick. Wang also can play on the perimeter. These other two are Caleb Wood types, although I see that Jake Hendricks has been struggling with his shot recently. His team is in the JUCO Elite 8 and plays today. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-22-18 12:47 PM - Post#254093
Imegwu's shot release reminds me a lot of Caleb's to be honest. His build reminds me more of Antonio's. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21272 |
03-22-18 12:57 PM - Post#254096
The body going up on the jumper reminded me of Bromwell. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2143 |
03-22-18 02:57 PM - Post#254128
Not a bad thing at all, when you consider that he can still get stronger. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
03-22-18 05:37 PM - Post#254156
Jake Hendricks found his shot today. He went 6 for 9 from 3 and scored 20 as his team upset the #2 seed. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
03-22-18 05:40 PM - Post#254157
Seems obvious that Imegwu is not the guy that Chip heard some whispers about. Personally I think the JUCO transfer has a better shot of contributing next year, but I really have no idea where we stand with either of these kids. I do see a recurring theme in our current approach; that is, recruiting priority placed on the ability to shoot the ball. Imegwu definitely has range and can hit the 3 pointer, both standing still or coming around a pick. Wang also can play on the perimeter. These other two are Caleb Wood types, although I see that Jake Hendricks has been struggling with his shot recently. His team is in the JUCO Elite 8 and plays today. For a while I wasn't sure if Donahue was going off strategy. None of this year's freshman top recruits was known as a sharpshooter. They were all known for athleticism. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2143 |
03-23-18 09:34 AM - Post#254203
Seems obvious that Imegwu is not the guy that Chip heard some whispers about. Personally I think the JUCO transfer has a better shot of contributing next year, but I really have no idea where we stand with either of these kids. I do see a recurring theme in our current approach; that is, recruiting priority placed on the ability to shoot the ball. Imegwu definitely has range and can hit the 3 pointer, both standing still or coming around a pick. Wang also can play on the perimeter. These other two are Caleb Wood types, although I see that Jake Hendricks has been struggling with his shot recently. His team is in the JUCO Elite 8 and plays today. For a while I wasn't sure if Donahue was going off strategy. None of this year's freshman top recruits was known as a sharpshooter. They were all known for athleticism. Which, given our competition, made sense. We need to be able to match up with guys like Towns, Oni, Stephens and Cambridge. That requires size and athleticism. Skill doesn't hurt, though. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
03-23-18 09:58 AM - Post#254204
Sounds right, but I still think SD would like to replicate similar dynamics to what worked for him at Cornell. That is - a mix of guys who can execute an inside/outside game and hit that 3 with regularity when the opportunity presents itself. I think we saw the impact a Caleb Wood type can have in his offensive scheme. So perhaps having a mix of guys who are athletic and can shoot the three is the ideal. I would not consider Michael Wang unathletic for a 6-10 kid. In fact he appears to have a better skill set than other tall players we've recruited. Imegwu also looks like he's a pretty decent athlete as well as a shooter, at least from what I saw in the highlight video. If we get Jake Hendricks, he would be the Caleb Wood lookalike, but in each case, every player has to master the offense and be prepared to grind it out on the defensive end to play for SD. I thought Caleb got way better in both areas as the season progressed and that, more than anything else, might have dictated an adjustment of Penn's allocated PT minutes. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2143 |
03-23-18 10:28 AM - Post#254205
Coaches certainly have to teach their players what they want defensively (and making the transition from high school level defense to college level defense is a huge leap), but the simple fact of the matter is that some players have better defensive instincts than others. You can teach guys what you need them to do defensively, but some players may not assimilate that information and translate it into action as well as others will. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 |
03-23-18 04:40 PM - Post#254229
Possible transfer target? From the Wilmington News-Journal reporter on the Blue Hen beat, via Jon Tannenwald: Ryan Daly leaving Delaware |
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Penn7277 PhD Student Posts 1365 |
03-23-18 07:26 PM - Post#254238
Didn't Penn recruit him? I seem to remember the name. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 |
03-23-18 11:43 PM - Post#254243
Yup. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
03-24-18 01:31 AM - Post#254244
I have no inside info on his current thinking but I do know that: 1) We offered him around same time as Betley 2) Once Betley committed, Daly’s offer didn’t stand 3) Daly wanted to come here and we said no With that in mind, I’d be pretty surprised if he now wanted to come to Penn after we said no (not the best of decisions in retrospect). After putting up those numbers I would guess he is aiming higher, but guess we will see. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32877 |
03-24-18 08:21 AM - Post#254249
If he is aiming higher academically, I don't think the fact his offer got pulled 2 years ago will make him reject a Penn offer out of pride. Remember, he will have to sit out a year and Betley would then be a senior, even if there is any overlap in roles....remember, Caleb made it clear that we play well with 2 shooting swingmen in the lineup. |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 587 |
03-24-18 09:58 AM - Post#254252
I wonder why he wants out at Delaware? |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
03-24-18 11:55 AM - Post#254253
Don’t have any info but we offer a lot of kids. A Daly offer doesn’t mean he is admissible or would be satisfied with whatever fin aid the family would qualify for. It’s certainly possible but there are many missing pieces of info we posters don’t have access to. Meanwhile Jake Hendricks was 3 for 4 from distance last night and his team plays for the Juco national championship tonight. |
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jadwinjungle Freshman Posts 45 |
04-08-18 08:14 PM - Post#254937
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/98 312896403... Ryan Daly committed to St. Joe's tonight |
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besnoah Masters Student Posts 803 |
04-10-18 11:42 AM - Post#255020
I will guess that the recruit still in play for 2018 is Bryce Washington from Southfield Christian: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/high-sch o... He had mostly mid-major offers, then Pitt offered. Here's a highlight film from his junior year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjTgtZK7eNE |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
04-10-18 12:19 PM - Post#255028
Yep. Was on campus last week for an official I believe. |
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QHoops Senior Posts 369 |
04-10-18 06:59 PM - Post#255048
Obviously a dynamic talent, but from Donahue's perspective, I bet there's a lot of Tony Hicks in that video. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
04-11-18 12:28 AM - Post#255061
This kid is a long way from Tony Hicks. Not even close in terms of style. |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 587 |
04-11-18 07:08 AM - Post#255063
nice |
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SteveChop PhD Student Posts 1156 |
04-11-18 10:39 AM - Post#255074
Why wouldn't we want a guy who shoots 100% from the field and blocks every shot on defense? Never sure how much these films are useful. What size schools constitute Class D in Michigan? |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
04-11-18 11:35 AM - Post#255079
He also never commits a turnover. Look at it this way: he's a 3 star recruit with interest from some pretty good programs. He's obviously athletic, looks like he can score on the break and off penetration, and probably can hit the 3. Penn clearly still has room in the 2018 class. If the kid signs on, it's only a good thing. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
04-11-18 12:25 PM - Post#255086
Most important from Donahue's perspective is that it appears he can play D. And athletic D at that. Think he'd have to get his release point higher and quicken his trigger to develop into a scoring threat at our level. He has the range but appears to need more separation than he'll probably be afforded. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
04-11-18 04:33 PM - Post#255110
With a quick internet search, he lead his team to a state championship, he won at high jumping earlier in high school career, he averaged 21 points on 55% shooting from the field this year. And he has a family history of success... both his older bros won bball state championships also - one runs track now at Michigan and one plays basketball for Michigan State. Sounds good to me so hope he picks Penn! |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21272 |
04-11-18 04:52 PM - Post#255111
he won at high jumping earlier in high school career The next Adam Chubb? both his older bros won bball state championships also - one plays basketball for Michigan State. Oy--let's not go there.... |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 |
04-11-18 05:48 PM - Post#255113
Sorry I don’t get your first point? Just because he can jump who said he is a player at all like Adam Chubb (who I thought Dunphy under utilized by the way)? It just means he is athletic. While that is no guarantee of success there certainly isn’t a downside. And I’m not up on news but I think I see your point #2 based on new horrible news. I hadn’t seen that. His brother is a frost only and maybe just a walk on. Point there was just that he clearly has athletic family history. Again doesn’t guarantee anything, but if Donahue and team want him, I’m in. |
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penn64 Freshman Posts 47 |
04-12-18 01:05 PM - Post#255168
Just read, Jake Hendricks signed with Wyoming. |
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jadwinjungle Freshman Posts 45 |
04-12-18 01:48 PM - Post#255169
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/9 844867515... Minnesota transfer G Jamir Harris is visiting Penn this weekend, looks like he's a sit 1 play 3 transfer after playing this year as a true freshman at Minnesota. 3 star recruit from NJ had offers from Penn, Princeton, Seton Hall, Alabama, and Creighton among others. Played in 28 games for Minnesota this season and started 2, scoring 4 PPG and shot 35% from 3 in 14 minutes a game. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
04-12-18 04:52 PM - Post#255182
um, yes please. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
04-12-18 05:27 PM - Post#255183
The NCAA will consider the no sit out rule this summer. The one year sit out requirement will be waived for students with a GPA that exceeds 3.0 Like all quantitative measures, this one is not without controversy. Is a 3.0 the same across all D1 institutions when you consider academic rigor? Can schools purposely manipulate a GPA downward to discourage a player from transferring? Is it racially discriminatory? We know from our own AI system that uniform standards and academic hurdles raise thorny issues that are uncomfortable for many of us. PS If the proposal passes (I heard it's a real possibility) Jamir Harris might be able to play immediately. He's supposed to be a very good student. |
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nychoops Junior Posts 244 |
04-12-18 06:11 PM - Post#255185
Know Jamir quite well, yes excellent student and even better kid. He made the wrong choice initially and this move has less to due with the typical playing time and more to do with maturing and understanding the complete benefits of college |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
04-12-18 08:02 PM - Post#255192
So where do you think we fall on his list? Thanks to the Princeton fan for breaking it. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
04-12-18 08:21 PM - Post#255194
Don't get my hopes up. Would prefer a pleasant surprise than have my heart slammed. |
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pennhoops Postdoc Posts 2470 |
04-13-18 09:36 AM - Post#255205
PS If the proposal passes (I heard it's a real possibility) Jamir Harris might be able to play immediately. He's supposed to be a very good student. according to the twitter he carries a 3.9 gpa |
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nychoops Junior Posts 244 |
04-13-18 10:15 AM - Post#255208
I would say he views Penn as a very viable option..he has some HIGH majors inrerested so lets see ..... |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
04-13-18 10:28 AM - Post#255210
Can a twitter GPA be used by the NCAA for eligibility? It wouldn't surprise me. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
05-16-18 04:56 PM - Post#256878
FWIW, Saddiq Bey, a 4 star SG who was teammates with Jelani Williams at Sidwell Friends in D.C., was released from his scholarship at N.C. State on Tuesday night. The Wolfpack recently got a number of transfers and Bey may have felt like the odd man out. Penn was one of many programs offering him a spot. It probably won't take long for one of those schools to get him for the fall. http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/saddiq-bey |
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westcoast Senior Posts 302 |
05-16-18 11:56 PM - Post#256887
Princeton was one of his Final 6 last fall, but I'm not sure if that is still a possibility this late in the process: https://twitter.com/dougherty_jesse/statu s/8967525... |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4366 |
05-17-18 09:58 AM - Post#256914
The Ivy rules were modified a couple years ago in terms of standard application deadlines because there was general recognition that spring athletes often don't get their formal release from NLI's or scholarship commitments until after the deadlines for other Ivy hopefuls. Don't know the specifics though and don't know if this applies to just transfers or includes graduating seniors who get a release from an NLI. And - I obviously don't know if Bey still has interest in any Ivy or whether he would still qualify to be admitted or whether he would be a good fit in any Ivy recruiting class at this point in the year. But - while I'm personally doubtful it happens, if all the ducks line up, it's technically possible. |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 587 |
05-17-18 10:51 AM - Post#256921
this would be another great late signee. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3066 |
06-01-18 08:34 AM - Post#257507
Meg Hair, who will be attending Penn this fall, was named the New York Class A Player of the Year by the New York State Sportswriters Association. http://newyorksportswrite rs.org/blog/2018-05-31-ny... In her junior and senior seasons she was named Co-Player of the Year. She led her team to three consecutive Class A championships. http://highschoolsports.syracuse.com/news/article/... |
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