Select "print" from your browser's "File" menu.

Back to Post
Username Post: Brown
PennFan10
Postdoc
Posts 3580
02-16-17 10:23 PM - Post#222049    

Line is Penn -2. Over/Under is 150. Game is at 8pm
SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1150
02-17-17 12:50 AM - Post#222053    

Don't forget - the women's game is at 5:30. Let's root those Quakers on to maintaining their undefeated Ivy season. I plan to be there for both games.
palestra38
Professor
Posts 32687
02-17-17 09:36 AM - Post#222063    

Season on the line tonight. This is a game Penn, because of its prior loss to Brown, must win to have a shot. The difference is that we are playing with a very different team than a month ago. In that game, Betley did not play, Goodman played 4 minutes and Rothschild 9 minutes. Betley and Goodman, in particular, have given this team a completely different look and have improved the quickness, shooting and, together with Rothschild, the rebounding. So Let's Go Quakers!
10Q
Professor
Posts 23200
02-17-17 09:52 AM - Post#222069    

Woohoo!!
SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1150
02-17-17 11:07 AM - Post#222078    

Good to see you so upbeat, P38! I'll be there (looking to see you Old Bear) rooting both the women's and mens' teams on. GO QuAKERS!
AsiaSunset
Postdoc
Posts 4350
02-17-17 11:24 AM - Post#222079    

Definitely a different look. Would be great if Jackson Donahue could finally find his shot. He's taken the most 3's on the team and is hitting just .276 of them. The kid can shoot. I don't know what the issue is. Sophomore slump? Trying too hard? Just relax and put the ball in the basket a few times

If we get a little more from Donahue and Dev Goodman avoids the unnecessary offensive fouls, this team should perform better than the team that Brown whipped a few weeks ago.
Silver Maple
Postdoc
Posts 3765
02-17-17 12:29 PM - Post#222087    

Another change-- Sam Jones is now officially a part of the rotation, and seems to be playing solid ball.

Regarding Donahue, the other Donahue seems to have decided that the only way to help Jackson work out his shooting woes is to put him in and leave him in. My guess is that Jackson is working his butt off and shooting the lights out in practice, thus earning this opportunity. Eventually, if the shooting % doesn't improve, the coach's patience is probably going to wear out, but it looks like he's giving the kid every chance to earn a spot in the rotation.
Cvonvorys
Postdoc
Posts 4439
Cvonvorys
02-17-17 12:31 PM - Post#222089    

Spoiler Alert: Penn wins tonight by 6. Caleb Wood actual sees some time on the floor and plays well.
palestra38
Professor
Posts 32687
02-17-17 12:37 PM - Post#222090    

I would be surprised to see Caleb Wood get substantial time tonight, even were there to be a garbage time.
QHoops
Senior
Posts 368
02-17-17 12:40 PM - Post#222091    

Speaking of people who can shoot...
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 01:21 PM - Post#222092    

The thing about Jackson's missing is that almost every single shot is WIDE OPEN. You can't move the ball that well and have it result in success only 27% of the time. You just can't. If he gets his shooting form back it changes the entire season, but I'm not overly optimistic.
Tiger69
Postdoc
Posts 2801
02-17-17 01:25 PM - Post#222094    

Sam Jones. Killer three point shot. He actually looked like he was having fun on court against Princeton.

But, can he play defense?
Cvonvorys
Postdoc
Posts 4439
Cvonvorys
02-17-17 01:31 PM - Post#222095    

  • palestra38 Said:
I would be surprised to see Caleb Wood get substantial time tonight, even were there to be a garbage time.



Just relaying to everyone what was told to me last night by Chuck Daly. Penn will enjoy a comfortable lead throughout (if there is such a thing as a comfortable lead for this team), and my guess is SD is trying to keep some fresh(er) legs for Sunday.
Streamers
Professor
Posts 8141
Streamers
02-17-17 01:49 PM - Post#222099    

If we see Wood and MacDonald at all, I expect it will be on Sunday. If JD misses open 3's (and FTs for that matter), Jones needs to get his minutes. We can use Betley and Hamilton to compensate defensively if Spieth starts going off. They killed us shooting over the 1-3-1 last time. They certainly will try that again so we need to mix up the defenses. A stable rotation likely helps witrh that. They will double AJ relentlessly forcing others to step up. Another double-double from Howard is a big part of the recipe for success. Martin knows this and I'll be looking hard at how they defend him and try to keep him off the boards.
Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts 1878
02-17-17 02:00 PM - Post#222100    

I have only watched a few games this season, but in the ones I saw I was surprised that Donahue had a Steph Curry type of shot selection. He seemed to have the green light to jack a shot off the dribble from 24 feet if his defender was giving him a few inches. I was wondering why, as I didn't think he is a good enough shooter for that. I prefer Donahue as a shooter off of a set play. Jones has earned the right. Donahue, not so much.

  • AsiaSunset Said:
Definitely a different look. Would be great if Jackson Donahue could finally find his shot. He's taken the most 3's on the team and is hitting just .276 of them. The kid can shoot. I don't know what the issue is. Sophomore slump? Trying too hard? Just relax and put the ball in the basket a few times

If we get a little more from Donahue and Dev Goodman avoids the unnecessary offensive fouls, this team should perform better than the team that Brown whipped a few weeks ago.


Old Bear
Postdoc
Posts 3988
02-17-17 02:30 PM - Post#222101    

I'm looking forward!
AsiaSunset
Postdoc
Posts 4350
02-17-17 04:57 PM - Post#222113    

True but Penn has better movement lately. He's been getting some very good looks.
Cvonvorys
Postdoc
Posts 4439
Cvonvorys
02-17-17 09:02 PM - Post#222119    

Must Win.

Let's Go Quakers!
tguru
Masters Student
Posts 409
02-17-17 09:02 PM - Post#222120    

  • AsiaSunset Said:
True but Penn has better movement lately. He's been getting some very good looks.


He has usually had open looks when he chucks his best bricks. The proof is in the pudding and also his foul shots. He is, simply, not a polished shooter!
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:06 PM - Post#222121    

Okolie sick...Not sure if he'll play. Need to stop Spieth.
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:13 PM - Post#222123    

When you're running hot why the need to bring in Max again early?
91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1124
02-17-17 09:18 PM - Post#222124    

Is every screen set by Brown a moving pick? Are the refs going to call any the whole night?
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:19 PM - Post#222125    

The refs have already missed two calls that resulted in Brown getting possession and this time it resulted in a Spieth 3. Betley strong so far again with 8.
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:19 PM - Post#222126    

The announcer may call him Bentley but Betley has ten now.
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:21 PM - Post#222127    

Spieth killing us and now a phantom foul on AJ gives them a 3 point play.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 09:22 PM - Post#222129    

  • Quakers03 Said:
The announcer may call him Bentley but Betley has ten now.



He's also mispronounced Ursinus and Max, so he's consistent.

tguru
Masters Student
Posts 409
02-17-17 09:24 PM - Post#222130    

  • Quakers03 Said:
The announcer may call him Bentley but Betley has ten now.



With his usual strong defensive rebounding.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 09:25 PM - Post#222131    

Now the PBP guy gives us the dreaded "U-Penn."

Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:25 PM - Post#222132    

Blackmon with his third. Huge.
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:27 PM - Post#222133    

Well, Jackson certainly isn't afraid to shoot...at least he has made two. I guess. Chucking up two in 5 seconds isnt so smart.
91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1124
02-17-17 09:27 PM - Post#222134    

Can someone stop Jackson? He takes shots Steph Curry would pass up..
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 09:28 PM - Post#222135    

The color guy is matching his partner by being completely ignorant of anything that isn't on the stat sheet in front of him.

Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:28 PM - Post#222136    

It feels like we should be up more than 7 with all these brown turnovers.
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:29 PM - Post#222137    

Again with the free throws...
tguru
Masters Student
Posts 409
02-17-17 09:29 PM - Post#222138    

Whatsup with JD. Shoots a 3 off the backboard and then..... shoots another. Clank.
91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1124
02-17-17 09:29 PM - Post#222139    

Do we even practice free throws?
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:30 PM - Post#222140    

And it's down to two. So bad.
tguru
Masters Student
Posts 409
02-17-17 09:31 PM - Post#222141    

Howard,horrible pass att.to AJ.
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:32 PM - Post#222142    

A Jackson turnover and missed walk/charge (take your pick) and we're tied.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 09:32 PM - Post#222143    

The sheer awfulness of the unforced turnovers Penn commits is exemplified by the one Howard just committed, with a ridiculously aimed bounce pass into the three Brown defenders between he and Brodeur.

Streamers
Professor
Posts 8141
Streamers
02-17-17 09:33 PM - Post#222144    

JD needs to sit... now
91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1124
02-17-17 09:35 PM - Post#222145    

Goodman really needs to turn it down a bit and pick his spots. He frequently gets himself in trouble by driving or committing before he has any goal or plan. The moves don't end well: trapped in the corner, up in the air without anyone to pass to, etc. He will learn we can hope.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 09:37 PM - Post#222146    

Complete bailout call for Triplett obvious on the replay.

Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:39 PM - Post#222148    

Goodman with a big 3 and steps in front of the screen to take a charge. Great look from ryan.

AJ turns galore. But no calls either.
91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1124
02-17-17 09:39 PM - Post#222149    

And they call the moving pick!
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 09:41 PM - Post#222150    

7-0 run after Brown tied it at 25.

Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:41 PM - Post#222151    

Beautiful look out of the double team from AJ and Betley has FIFTEEN. Wow.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 09:42 PM - Post#222152    

Now 10-0 on another Betley 3.

Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:43 PM - Post#222153    

Oh this is fun. AJ with 4 blocks. Betley with 18. Nice run.

Columbia though...
91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1124
02-17-17 09:44 PM - Post#222154    

Chip, an update please.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 09:44 PM - Post#222155    

15-0.

And the frosh shall lead us ...

Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:44 PM - Post#222156    

40-25.
Streamers
Professor
Posts 8141
Streamers
02-17-17 09:45 PM - Post#222157    

rebound margin 20-8
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 09:48 PM - Post#222159    

Brown misses a 3 and a rebound foul puts a Goodman at the line for a 1-and-1. Makes both, 42-25.

Brown finally gets on the board on a floor foul 1-and-1 at the other end.

Streamers
Professor
Posts 8141
Streamers
02-17-17 09:48 PM - Post#222160    

JD sits. Big run
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 09:48 PM - Post#222161    

Another stupid, stupid turnover by the senior Howard.

Streamers
Professor
Posts 8141
Streamers
02-17-17 09:49 PM - Post#222162    

just as I type that, he hits a 3. He now has 3
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 09:51 PM - Post#222163    

The Donahue 3 and 2 Brodeur FTs pushes lead to 47-27.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 09:52 PM - Post#222164    

Brodeur feeds a cutting Betley on the baseline for a backdoor layup. 49-27.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 09:53 PM - Post#222165    

Now 7+ minute FG drought for Bears.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 09:54 PM - Post#222166    

Betley 3 at shot clock buzzer makes the halftime lead 52-27.

Streamers
Professor
Posts 8141
Streamers
02-17-17 09:54 PM - Post#222168    

wow: a 52-spot in the first half. Betley with 23 of them. 11-14 FTs and 9-17 from 3

Who are these guys in the Penn unis?
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 09:54 PM - Post#222169    

Best half of the season...no doubt. And Jackson's confidence is growing...

Harvard might just hold on. Remember when the CU fans were rooting for Penn last week vs Cornell?
palestra38
Professor
Posts 32687
02-17-17 09:55 PM - Post#222170    

WOO-HOO!
Streamers
Professor
Posts 8141
Streamers
02-17-17 09:57 PM - Post#222173    

Harvard 78 Columbia 72
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 09:57 PM - Post#222174    

Not sure how this is happening given the well-documented ginormous athletic advantage Brown has.

Must be because Okolie is sick and ineffective.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:10 PM - Post#222176    

Ended up 8:14 without a FG for Brown to end the half.

0-9 FGs and 4 TOS.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:13 PM - Post#222179    

Of course Penn starts with 2 turnovers on offense.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:15 PM - Post#222181    

7-0 Brown run.

And Brodeur blows an easy layup.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:16 PM - Post#222182    

9-0 Brown run now, after Foreman and Brodeur yanked for Goodman and Rothschild.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:18 PM - Post#222183    

Betley 3 and Max postup against the tiny Anderson after a defensive switch make the lead comfortable again.

tguru
Masters Student
Posts 409
02-17-17 10:19 PM - Post#222184    

Nice left hand finish from Max.
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 10:22 PM - Post#222185    

Just a complete and total block party out there from our bigs. Max was huge to stop that run.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:23 PM - Post#222186    

Donahue with the awful entry feed attempt to Brodeur.

tguru
Masters Student
Posts 409
02-17-17 10:24 PM - Post#222188    

Mark my prior evaluation on Bradley, excuse me, Betley.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:24 PM - Post#222189    

Betley threads the needle on a bsckdoor bounce pass to Howard for the hoop and Blackmon's 4th foul.

Misses the FT of course.

Penn7277
PhD Student
Posts 1365
02-17-17 10:25 PM - Post#222190    

Howard makes up for it with a three.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:27 PM - Post#222192    

11:55 left, 68-48 Penn after Spieth 3 and Brown timeout.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:30 PM - Post#222194    

Triplett seems to specialize in generating bailout calls.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:37 PM - Post#222197    

76-56 at the under 8:00 timeout.

Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 10:37 PM - Post#222198    

This is really and truly night and day since the Princeton game. The offense could not have looked any worse than it did that night and they couldn't look too much better than they do right now. I'd say a set rotation helps but who could have predicted this drastic of a turn around? Kind of tells us that 0-6 was indeed as unacceptable as we all thought, but let's just keep it rolling. Yale off a loss won't be great but the start time could equalize things.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:40 PM - Post#222200    

Hitting your open 3s makes any offense look better. It's not like there haven't been open 3s.

Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 10:41 PM - Post#222201    

Not against Princeton there weren't, but yes, they were there in the others, especially for Jackson. I think I'll shut up with the look ahead talk now.
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 10:42 PM - Post#222202    

Jackson with what should be the dagger from the corner to go up 19.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:42 PM - Post#222203    

Down to 16 because of stupid freshmen mistakes - Betley fouling Spieth on a 3 and Goodman with ridiculous travel.

Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 10:43 PM - Post#222204    

And then he talks trash and picks up a T. Lol. Nice Jackson.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:43 PM - Post#222205    

... until that Donahue 3.

But of course he has the idiotic T after hitting it.

Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 10:43 PM - Post#222206    

You not watching on espn3 Chip? I'll let you take over with the PBP since I'm ahead.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:45 PM - Post#222207    

JD up to 15 now after another 3.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:46 PM - Post#222208    

  • Quakers03 Said:
You not watching on espn3 Chip? I'll let you take over with the PBP since I'm ahead.



I am, but on Time-Warner Spectrum's crappy service.

Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 10:46 PM - Post#222209    

That 3 from Jackson was VERY confident........Very confident.....

And wow with the savy from Goodman around the rim.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:49 PM - Post#222211    

(Switching to Verizon FIOS as soon as they finish install in our new neighborhood.)

Streamers
Professor
Posts 8141
Streamers
02-17-17 10:50 PM - Post#222212    

Anyone know where to get cheesesteaks in Providence?
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:52 PM - Post#222214    

Funny to see Donahue on this perimeter hot streak after hearing the Brown announcers in the first half incredulous that he would even be shooting them given his 28% from beyond the arc.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 6997
Chip Bayers
02-17-17 10:54 PM - Post#222218    

No cheesesteaks for you!

Streamers
Professor
Posts 8141
Streamers
02-17-17 10:54 PM - Post#222219    

spoke too soon
TheLine
Professor
Posts 5597
02-17-17 11:17 PM - Post#222227    

The team is entirely different now that Ryan and Dev are rotation regulars.

Was about to question why Jackson is still getting so many minutes and then he finds his stroke.

Darnell was masterful in how he controlled the tempo. Maybe it wasn't so apparent from the box score - I don't think he scored that many points and some of his assists were secondary - but it was from watching the game.

Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-17-17 11:52 PM - Post#222234    

The offense is immeasurably better when Darnell doesn't have to do too much and can concentrate on what he does well. This was so fun I may just watch it again. At least the run. I love not having to play tomorrow and maybe we can even get lucky in Hanover.
penn62
PhD Student
Posts 1053
02-18-17 12:05 AM - Post#222236    

Betley letting the game come to him.
Goodman's speed.
Good ball movement.
gopenngo
Masters Student
Posts 487
02-18-17 12:12 AM - Post#222238    

Delirium has set in. Almost haiku and Q-03 heading to Hanover to get lucky before the game in New Haven.

Yes, indeed, all will be right with the world in just a few weeks!
Cvonvorys
Postdoc
Posts 4439
Cvonvorys
02-18-17 12:36 AM - Post#222241    

I'm not sure we can replicate this on a regular basis, but this is the "pick your poison" Penn offense... You wanna double team AJ every time he touches the ball? Well then that leaves us open for three pointers (Betley 6-10; JD 6-11).

Based on tonight, do you think Yale will constantly double team AJ on Sunday?

Anyone predict Betley to be this good?
Cvonvorys
Postdoc
Posts 4439
Cvonvorys
02-18-17 12:44 AM - Post#222242    

One more thing...

I'd like to go back through all of the previous posts on this board about how much better athletically Brown is than Penn...

Anyone out there who wants to retract his/her opinion?
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12480
02-18-17 02:02 AM - Post#222245    

I'm not someone who said it but to make that comparison is incorrect. Betley (0) and Goodman played 4 minutes in that first game when the comments were made. They played 61 tonight.
Mike Porter
Postdoc
Posts 3615
Mike Porter
02-18-17 02:08 AM - Post#222247    

This thread is a great reminder of why I'm glad I've decided not to post during games. After a game like this the in-game complaints read to be very silly (and I know I'd be doing the same if I did post!).

Considering how frustrating it was to start the Ivy season it's great to see this 3 game streak, and love how the team keeps fighting. Still a LOOOONG way to go, but let's see what these kids can do. Obviously hitting shots make everything look better, but think critical thing is that Donahue has found a good rotation (just wish it didn't take so long). Clearly learning for everyone, but one has to ask how Betley got a DNP in first Brown game?

Also think that two things have made a big difference: 1) AJ is handling the double teams better and 2) the guards are doing a better job getting themselves open when he gets doubled.

P38 - I imagine you'd like some of those posts about Brown back? ;-)
Charlie Fog
Masters Student
Posts 586
02-18-17 03:26 AM - Post#222253    

  • Streamers Said:
JD needs to sit... now



Let him sit on Monday.
Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts 1878
02-18-17 05:22 AM - Post#222254    

I've mentioned that there has been quite a few games since the last I've seen. My observations:

- Goodman and Betley really change the profile of the team in terms of ball handling and shooting. Goodman has freakishly long and fast steps for a 6' guard. He can get to the hoop. I agree with the points that he doesn't seem to always know what to do with the ball - would like to see him keep the handle and not get into the air as much. He could become our first strong ball possession guard for a while. Betley brings a good combination of rebounding, shooting, length, and self-control.

- Even though JD lit up the stats, most of it was in garbage time. I saw him make plenty of turnovers, get burned on D, and take and miss a lot of 3's. I liked the look of Silpe more, but perhaps Silpe will need to have JD's alleged shooting ability to move up in the order.

- Rothschild looked great out there. He has gotten much stronger and was incredibly active out there. He looks like Brodeur has rubbed off on him. It's nice to have two big men who are always moving and jostling for position - and are always boxing out.

- Ivy basketball is so much better than in the Schneider and Dunphy years. I was surprised at the pace of ball movement. I don't think the bottom half Ivy teams in the in the 90's had personnel athletic enough to move the ball and penetrate like these teams were doing.

- I can see why our lineups with Foreman and Donahue as our primary ball handlers were more stagnant. Foreman doesn't move the ball around as quickly as Goodman, and Donahue isn't really a direct threat with the ball in his hands. It slows down AJ and Howard when the ball isn't moving.

- AJ doesn't get much time to do his one-on-one moves or even make his backdoor passes. The Ivy teams will collapse on him quickly.

Great win!
palestra38
Professor
Posts 32687
02-18-17 07:01 AM - Post#222255    

Ah, to wake up to see myself getting slammed for my comments after that ugly Brown game here at the Palestra. While I will readily acknowledge that I was down after a terrible loss and also state for the record that I would be happy to be wrong (something I said then) about Penn, here is the comment that most of you are harping on:

"I don't understand how you guys don't see this. Both Yale and Brown were light years quicker than we were and stronger too. They beat us not with long outside shots but by driving by us and if they missed, they followed and scored. Yale outrebounded us 42-31 and their guards outrebounded our guards 21-16 (and that includes Howard, who really played forward for us). Their freshman big guard Oni killed us both driving and rebounding....total mismatch as to which we had no answer. The only reason is was relatively close for a while (although we never threatened to actually win) was that we only had 9 turnovers. Against Brown, the Brown guards scored 56 of their 82 points, and repeatedly drove by us as if we were encased in lead. As I noted earlier, they managed an amazing 20 FTs from the guard position while shooting 27 FG attempts....so that is an efficiency that makes it impossible for us to win. Meanwhile, anyone not named Brodeur, Foreman or Howard looked like JV. That was the most discouraging game I have attended in years (not the worst loss, since Jerome had one of those almost every week), but we were supposed to be better and we're not. I see no way we make the playoffs. Brown is not as good as Columbia or Cornell, which has guards who will throw up 50 against us."

OK, I said that anyone not named Brodeur, Foreman or Howard looked like JV. I said we lost because of our guards. I said in another post that we had no one to make a team pay for doubling Brodeur. So what happened? Not that the guys playing that day turned from Nerdlucks into MonStars----we put Betley and Goodman out there as the major players in the backcourt and the transfers moved to the bench. So all of you guys are correct that my statement that we had no chance was wrong---but who among us at that time foresaw the insertion of Goodman and Betley?


So I rest my case. And again, I'm happy to serve my time if they make the playoff (and I have tickets for the Columbia game).
Streamers
Professor
Posts 8141
Streamers
02-18-17 09:31 AM - Post#222261    

  • Charlie Fog Said:
  • Streamers Said:
JD needs to sit... now



Let him sit on Monday.



Yeah, that was right after a particularly bad sequence bricking a 3 and a turnover. He must have heard me since he started to go off (in more ways than one - he mouthed off and got a T) right after that. He was getting great looks, importantly from the spots on the floor that he likes. Not sure why they had him on Spieth though. His line says it all - Betley numbers.

All those who did not see Begley, I mean Betley, coming: search the board. We have been talking him up for a while now. One thing about being able to attend the games in person again is that I have a good look at the progress of both Betley and Goodman. A lot of what they do is off the ball and their impact was the big difference between this and the first Brown game.

We can't expect the shots to fall like that all the time, especially the FTs, but we can expect the defense to be better as a result of the set rotation and mixing the looks. We have crushed opponents off the boards in this streak (almost doubled Brown up last night, and not the result of missed shots.) We do that on Sunday and I like our chances.
SomeGuy
Professor
Posts 6391
02-18-17 09:40 AM - Post#222262    

Well, the insertion of Betley was predictable -- it was a bit of a mystery why he didn't play in the first game, since he had been starting or playing substantial minutes off the bench every game leading up to it (and the same has been true every game since). He did have a very tough game on both ends the night before against Yale, and it would have been his first time playing a back-to-back. I also wouldn't be surprised if he was hurt or sick, since the minutes really look like an outlier.

Anyway, I think we all got the result we wanted, regardless of expectation. Nice to see us get some of the variance that seemed to consistently go against us for a while there turn our way the last two games.
Cvonvorys
Postdoc
Posts 4439
Cvonvorys
02-18-17 11:25 AM - Post#222275    

22 assists on 34 field goals. Pretty good, yes?

Mike Porter
Postdoc
Posts 3615
Mike Porter
02-18-17 12:43 PM - Post#222280    

P38 - please don't take my comment seriously, as mine was meant tongue in cheek. I was right where you were after the Dartmouth game so I get it.
Cvonvorys
Postdoc
Posts 4439
Cvonvorys
02-18-17 01:00 PM - Post#222282    

  • SomeGuy Said:
Betley did have a very tough game on both ends the night before against Yale...



Well, then I guess he's got some making up to do for us on Sunday...

palestra38
Professor
Posts 32687
02-18-17 01:08 PM - Post#222283    

That's OK---
I am happy to be wrong about this...even though with Betley and Goodman playing starter's minutes they are a different team.
PennFan10
Postdoc
Posts 3580
02-18-17 03:22 PM - Post#222301    

P38

There are a few qualifying posts that sort of let you off the hook but you were wrong. You said their guards were too athletic. We got more athletic with Goodman and Betley but they didn't get less athletic. We still played a lot of Howard, Jackson, Jones, AJ. Your assessment of Brown's talent was wrong. They played well last time and we played poorly. This time it was reversed. You said things like "it will take two more recruiting classes", "Brown is just better, I was there and saw it...". The game at the Palestra was an anomaly. We are more talented that Brown. Own it. You were wrong. We move on.
palestra38
Professor
Posts 32687
02-18-17 03:48 PM - Post#222307    

Well, I don't know if I was wrong, but you clearly were right predicting a Penn win by 10.
SomeGuy
Professor
Posts 6391
02-18-17 03:52 PM - Post#222308    

In regard to Donahue guarding Spieth, it was interesting and surprising. Not sure it didn't work though. Most of Spieth's points when the game was in doubt came off Betley when Donahue was sitting, and Brown's little run from down 7 to tie the game at 23 actually came with Spieth off the floor. So overall the way they defended seemed to result in Spieth getting his and nobody else doing much. Seemed to work, although everything seems to work when you hit your 3s and score 96.


PennFan10
Postdoc
Posts 3580
02-18-17 05:46 PM - Post#222331    

  • palestra38 Said:
Well, I don't know if I was wrong, but you clearly were right predicting a Penn win by 10.



Oh I was just as wrong. No way I had an idea we would do that last night.



Copyright © 2004-2012 Basketball U. Terms of Use for our Site and Privacy Policy are applicable to you. All rights reserved.
Basketball U. and its subsidiaries are not affiliated in any way with any NCAA athletic conference or member institution.
FusionBB™ Version 2.1 | ©2003-2007 InteractivePHP, Inc.
Execution time: 0.286 seconds.   Total Queries: 15   Zlib Compression is on.
All times are (GMT -0500) Eastern. Current time is 12:00 PM
Top