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GoBigGreenBasketball Masters Student Posts 806 |
02-19-17 05:38 PM - Post#222570
Dartmouth Basketball Predictions Update Feb 19, 2017 • After beating Columbia 80-79, Dartmouth is now projected to finish the regular season 7-20 (4-10 Ivy). • We currently rank Dartmouth as the #281 team in the country, and the #8 team in the Ivy. • Next game: Fri, Feb 24 vs. #273 Brown. Our power ratings give the Big Green a 63% chance to win.
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1145 |
02-19-17 05:48 PM - Post#222576
Dartmouth Basketball Predictions Update Feb 19, 2017 • After beating Columbia 80-79, Dartmouth is now projected to finish the regular season 7-20 (4-10 Ivy). • We currently rank Dartmouth as the #281 team in the country, and the #8 team in the Ivy. • Next game: Fri, Feb 24 vs. #273 Brown. Our power ratings give the Big Green a 63% chance to win. These seem to contradict each other. Do they expect Brown to win other games to overtake us in the standings even after we beat them again? Or is it possible to be "ranked" #8 in the Ivies even if you finish (say) 6th in the standings? |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
02-19-17 07:37 PM - Post#222590
Home court advantage... |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1145 |
02-19-17 08:16 PM - Post#222593
Home court advantage... That will explain why we are expected to win the game. But it doesn't explain the #8 ranking. If we win on Friday (as projected), we will be two games up on Brown with three left to play. Theoretically, we could still finish 8th if we win against Brown. But it seems very, very unlikely. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
02-19-17 11:19 PM - Post#222621
Well, I assume the overall rankings are like kenpom or the rpi, where they are evaluating the teams based on the entire season. So Brown's out of conference superiority still gets considered, regardless of what happened in the conference season. To me, that makes sense. I think the total picture over 27 games is more accurate than the picture over 14. I think Brown is better than Dartmouth, frankly, but it is close enough that you could easily have Dartmouth end up ahead over a 14 game Ivy season. Heck, it's easy enough to see Dartmouth finishing as high as 5th. If you play the season 1000 times, even assuming Dartmouth is 285 in the country and last in the Ivy, they're going to come up ahead of Brown plenty of times. |
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hoopla Masters Student Posts 486 |
02-20-17 10:07 AM - Post#222637
I think we're better than Brown. I think NOT looking at our opening 9 games gives a more accurate depiction of how good we are. I also think we are on an upswing and that Coach Mac is putting it together. The worst is behind us. It is too bad it was almost an entire season of bad, but the future is bright! We have some serious weapons and players, and next year both coaching staff and players will have an added year of experience. |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1145 |
02-20-17 10:15 AM - Post#222638
Well, I assume the overall rankings are like kenpom or the rpi, where they are evaluating the teams based on the entire season. So Brown's out of conference superiority still gets considered, regardless of what happened in the conference season. To me, that makes sense. I think the total picture over 27 games is more accurate than the picture over 14. I think Brown is better than Dartmouth, frankly, but it is close enough that you could easily have Dartmouth end up ahead over a 14 game Ivy season. Heck, it's easy enough to see Dartmouth finishing as high as 5th. If you play the season 1000 times, even assuming Dartmouth is 285 in the country and last in the Ivy, they're going to come up ahead of Brown plenty of times. I was under the impression that these "rankings" were actually attempts to project the final league standings. If I was mistaken, and these are just "power" rankings regardless of the real-life results, then I'll treat them accordingly. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
02-20-17 08:36 PM - Post#222751
Well, that's a fair question. I always interpreted 281, 8th in the Ivy as telling us where 281 ranks among the Ivy schools. Could be two different things. And to hoopla's point, I certainly think it is arguable that Dartmouth is better now. Brown, Dartmouth, and Cornell are all pretty close. |
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hoopla Masters Student Posts 486 |
02-21-17 10:34 AM - Post#222834
I let go of my kenpom subscription in mid December, so I'm basing this on the eye test and on my perception of the programs and their evolving contexts and trajectories over the last 5+ years... But I think with Columbia's personnel losses and with Penn still recovering/rebuilding that Dartmouth is right there with those two teams as well. I thought we'd be better than Penn this year. |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1145 |
02-21-17 10:46 AM - Post#222840
I thought we'd be better than Penn this year. If we win next week at the Palestra, you would have a pretty good case that we are indeed better than Penn. Even if we are "ranked" 8th by the computers. 
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hoopla Masters Student Posts 486 |
02-21-17 10:49 AM - Post#222841
Yep |
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hoopla Masters Student Posts 486 |
02-22-17 12:06 PM - Post#222996
Back to the Brown game. Is Brown too demoralized to win any more games? We have managed to stay out of that zone despite an abysmal season, probably because our guys see a bright future. I sense Brown is lacking the confidence and strength that comes with a positive outlook. We need to remain focused and vigilant in case they pull it together for a night. Another huge game for us. |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1145 |
02-22-17 12:13 PM - Post#222997
Another huge game for us. I figure that if we don't finish 3-1, we're out. And even then might not be enough... |
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hoopla Masters Student Posts 486 |
02-22-17 01:25 PM - Post#223013
They can do it! |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1145 |
02-22-17 02:04 PM - Post#223018
They can do it! Brown should be the easiest of the remaining games. Hopefully we take care of business. |
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GoBigGreenBasketball Masters Student Posts 806 |
02-22-17 09:06 PM - Post#223069
We need to win both of these home games and draw on the momentum those wins will provide.
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GoBigGreenBasketball Masters Student Posts 806 |
02-23-17 08:39 PM - Post#223160
I anticipate our hot shooting will continue, especially since we're at home. I think if guys play hard and within themselves we have a better than the odds chance to sweep this weekend. Go Big Green Basketball!!!
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 3992 |
02-24-17 10:23 PM - Post#223443
I came back to this post to reread the above. This may have been the worst refereed game I have ever seen, but the better team won. |
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hoopla Masters Student Posts 486 |
02-24-17 10:57 PM - Post#223453
Agree to disagree, Old Bear. |
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hoops123 Freshman Posts 97 |
02-25-17 01:43 AM - Post#223474
Mike. Fleming. Is. A. Disaster. We lost the Brown game today because of our poor defense, led by "run by me any time you want" Fleming...he was awful. |
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hoops123 Freshman Posts 97 |
02-25-17 02:44 AM - Post#223478
Cam Green played great for his few minutes in the game. Cam needs to play over Fleming, but hey, too little too late. Cam can play!! He's a stud! Barry awful. Sistare awful. Boudreaux a beast again. Smith played well but got hosed on cheap fouls. Carter played decently. Our defense is truly atrocious. Browns guards made it to the basket on almost every possession. ugh |
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Cooper Sophomore Posts 143 |
02-25-17 09:27 AM - Post#223486
This was the perfect example of what happens when you let a struggling team get off to a fast start on the road. Brown jumped out early and Dartmouth spent the rest of the night fighting back. The Big Green showed a lot of heart in a devastating loss, but if Dartmouth had built the big early lead Brown would have collapsed. Unaccountably, defensive intensity was missing at the outset and it proved costly. A few other thoughts. The crowd. What crowd? Interesting contrast between Spieth and Boudreaux, two of the best players in the Ivy League. Boudreaux is all about effort. He's the hardest working man in rock and roll, the proverbial bull in a china shop. Spieth is an artist. He's an excellent passer, a heady player with a deadly fadeaway. Two different styles but two throughly enjoyable players to watch. Nice to see EB swat a couple of shots but Dartmouth's inability to defend the drive was on full display most of the night. This time it wasn't just drives but defenders getting picked off and wide-open Brown players getting bounce passes under the basket for uncontested shots. As for the officiating, it was a joke. Both ways. Both coaches had reason to be upset and the wonder is Mike got the only technical. The game ended a good 20-25 minutes later than usual. Absurd. Regarding the earlier comment comparing Dartmouth and Penn. You do realize Penn has won its last five games, including three on the road? Steve has the Quakers hitting their stride. Winning at Brown isn't anything to write home about, but Penn did win there by 24 points. The next night it was a 16-point win at Yale. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
02-25-17 09:55 AM - Post#223489
On the comments about Fleming, defense and intensity, I'll make the same point I made on the Penn board when we lost at home to Brown. Brown is the #3 offensive team in the league, behind Princeton and Harvard. They got by you last night and got good looks largely because that is what they do. The reason Brown loses games is that they clearly have the weakest defense in the league. So your offensive end is probably where you guys had to take it to them to win. It's what makes Brown dangerous -- if you have an off shooting night against them, they will score enough to beat you. |
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GoBigGreenBasketball Masters Student Posts 806 |
02-25-17 10:50 AM - Post#223494
Cam Green played great for his few minutes in the game. Cam needs to play over Fleming, but hey, too little too late. Cam can play!! He's a stud! Barry awful. Sistare awful. Boudreaux a beast again. Smith played well but got hosed on cheap fouls. Carter played decently. Our defense is truly atrocious. Browns guards made it to the basket on almost every possession. ugh Im even more confused as to why Cam didn't play more this year. Even if he's a situational player there were enough situations like last night where he could have been utilized. He was ultra effective. 🤔
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1145 |
02-27-17 09:29 AM - Post#223837
We'd be hard to make any argument that we're not the #8 team anymore... |
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GoBigGreenBasketball Masters Student Posts 806 |
02-28-17 10:30 PM - Post#224079
Thinking about the Brown game again and focusing on the number of points the Big Green were able to put up. It was good that they were able to keep pace with Brown for most of the game. It showed that they could play an more uptempo game and still play through Evan. If they can match that pace and through in some defense they might have a chance to get one or both of these games this weekend. We were right there with P'Ton at home and we got a W over Penn....anything is possible!!!
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