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atlantabison PhD Student Posts 1835 |
02-24-17 03:21 PM - Post#223254
Anyone who wants to look at the tiebreaker scenarios as posted by the PL. http://patriotleague.org/news/2017/2/24/MBB_02 2417...
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203 
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02-24-17 05:48 PM - Post#223305
"The Mountain Hawks could also end up as the No. 4 seed with a loss, a Navy win over Bucknell and Boston U. loss to Holy Cross that would create a three-team mini-conference, making Boston U. the No. 2 seed and Navy the No. 3 seed." What in the world does that phrase mean? |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147 
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02-24-17 06:54 PM - Post#223313
"The Mountain Hawks could also end up as the No. 4 seed with a loss, a Navy win over Bucknell and Boston U. loss to Holy Cross that would create a three-team mini-conference, making Boston U. the No. 2 seed and Navy the No. 3 seed." What in the world does that phrase mean? It is a silly made-up term that appears nowhere in the bylaws. Just a convoluted way of saying the three would be tied and the records of the three against each other would determine the seeds. The PL frequently tries to be as unclear as possible.
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-24-17 07:12 PM - Post#223317
Has anyone figured out the women's tie breakers? If I understand correctly, Navy would have the advantage if they win tomorrow. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-24-17 08:51 PM - Post#223361
Has anyone figured out the women's tie breakers? If I understand correctly, Navy would have the advantage if they win tomorrow. Even if Navy wins, the Bison likely still have the edge. Since the two teams would have split (assuming a Navy win), that doesn't break the tie. And they would each have the same record vs American, Army, and Boston - the next three in the standings - so that alsowouldn't break it. But Bucknell has a better record against 6th place Colgate, so at the moment that would give the top seed to the Bison. Navy, however, has a better record against 7th place Holy Cross, so if HC passes CU, then Navy would prevail. If CU and HC were tied, it could come down to RPI - where the Bison would also prevail. Colgate's final two games are at Lafayette and at Lehigh. HC plays at Boson, followed by a home game with Loyola. Of course there is another game after Saturdayfor the Bison and Navy. BU hosts Lafayette, who is in last place, while Navy hosts 3rd place American..
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-24-17 09:34 PM - Post#223399
Thanks 137. I knew it was complicated. Colgate has an easier finish than HC. And, of course, Bucknell should have an easier time with Lafayette than Navy will have with American in the last game. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-25-17 09:23 AM - Post#223485
"The Mountain Hawks could also end up as the No. 4 seed with a loss, a Navy win over Bucknell and Boston U. loss to Holy Cross that would create a three-team mini-conference, making Boston U. the No. 2 seed and Navy the No. 3 seed." What in the world does that phrase mean? It is a silly made-up term that appears nowhere in the bylaws. Just a convoluted way of saying the three would be tied and the records of the three against each other would determine the seeds. The PL frequently tries to be as unclear as possible. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-25-17 05:26 PM - Post#223557
With the early 4 games over, the winners were Bucknell, BU, Lafayette and American. Army at Lehigh tonight at 7:30 ET. Looks like the tournament seeding is set now. Scenarios posted yesterday by the league. Bucknell, Lehigh, Boston U, Lafayette and American win: 1. Bucknell (15-3), 2. Boston U (12-6), 3. Lehigh (12-6), 4. Navy (10-8), 5. Holy Cross (9-9), 6. Colgate (8-10), 7. Loyola (8-10), 8. Army (6-12), 9. American (5-13), 10. Lafayette (5-13) Bucknell, Army, Boston U, Lafayette and American win: 1. Bucknell (15-3), 2. Boston U (12-6), 3. Lehigh (11-7), 4. Navy (10-8), 5. Holy Cross (9-9), 6. Colgate (8-10), 7. Loyola (8-10), 8. Army (7-11), 9. American (5-13), 10. Lafayette (5-13) |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-25-17 05:36 PM - Post#223559
Easier on the eyes: 1. Bucknell 2. Boston University 3. Lehigh 4. Navy 5. Holy Cross 6. Colgate 7. Loyola 8. Army 9. American 10. Lafayette |
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MrPhillie Postdoc Posts 2757 
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02-25-17 06:29 PM - Post#223563
Still think Nathan Davis deserves COY over DeChellis. Preseason #3 three games clear of the second place team. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-25-17 06:49 PM - Post#223566
Still think Nathan Davis deserves COY over DeChellis. Preseason #3 three games clear of the second place team. Agree. I would have voted for DeChellis a couple of weeks ago, but Navy's collapse down the stretch hurts his case a lot.
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-25-17 06:58 PM - Post#223569
It's no contest. This is the second year in a row Navy has folded in the second half of the season. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-25-17 07:08 PM - Post#223572
Colgate and HC women both lost today, which means Bucknell holds the tie-breaker. Hopefully, we can beat Navy tonight and remove any doubt. Don't want it to come down to the last game even though it's against Lafayette. They managed to upset Colgate and played well in stretches on Wednesday. |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370 
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02-26-17 10:26 AM - Post#223712
I was just looking at the PL Tournament Bracket: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Patriot_Lea gu... The potential Loyola vs. Boston U game could be an interesting game, and the winner of that game vs. Lehigh is a toss-up IMO especially if it is played in Boston. A potential HC vs. Bucknell game in round #3 is concerning, but all things considered, I think that the Bison got everything that they could have asked for. They do not have to play Loyola, Boston U, or Lehigh until the Championship game. Now, the Bison just need to buckle down and not look past any opponent. GO BISON!
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Shot Clock Masters Student Posts 883 |
02-26-17 10:43 AM - Post#223718
Is it a set bracket or does Bucknell get the lowest remaining seed in the quarters and semis?
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-26-17 11:52 AM - Post#223730
It's a set bracket; we get the winner of American at Army. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-26-17 11:56 AM - Post#223731
I wish the league would consider even a slight staggering of the start times to give fans watching at home a better chance of flipping from ending to ending. |
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Paulie777 PhD Student Posts 1767 |
02-26-17 12:15 PM - Post#223737
Wow. I think Army is going to be our toughest game. Once (or if) we get by them we should be ok until the finals where it is a toss up who we will be playing. Colgate is going to give Lehigh a good run and that should be a good game, if Lehigh gets by them I think they make the finals. Then we have to step up and beat them and we should. Army is going to be a tough crafty team giving our guys fits they could upset. Colgate could upset Lehigh. We are not as much as the favorites as I would like I fear Army, Colgate, or Lehigh. I would love to see Bucknell in the Big Dance and do feel they are the best Patriot league represent. Nana might step up and I get chills seeing Zach, Moore, Brown, Kimbal, Sestina and the others supporting him in the NCAA tournament. All this if we get by the quarterfinals and play well in the tournament. |
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BisonFan4 Junior Posts 211 |
02-26-17 12:23 PM - Post#223738
Provided we win the conference tourney, which I am confident this great group of young men will take care of business, Bucknell will be a scary matchup as a 13 or 14 seed for any 3 or 4 seed. |
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MrPhillie Postdoc Posts 2757
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02-26-17 12:40 PM - Post#223744
Last week Palm had Bucknell a #15 playing Baylor....but obviously it is fluid. Seems that Bucknell could possibly be a #14 but I can't see them as a #13. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-26-17 12:52 PM - Post#223748
Let's not even talk about theoretical NCAA tournament seeding. All eyes on Thursday night. |
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BisonFan4 Junior Posts 211 |
02-26-17 01:02 PM - Post#223751
Yeah, they've been a 14 thru the majority of the season & 15 a couple weeks in Lunardi's bracketology. I just threw that 13 in there as wishful thinking lol. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-26-17 01:04 PM - Post#223753
Let's not even talk about theoretical NCAA tournament seeding. All eyes on Thursday night. Agree. On Thursday, the Bison will face a hot team and will need to play well. - if Army, it will be a team that has won 4 of its last 5 - including wins over Boston U, Navy, and Holy Cross. - if American, it will be a young team playing its best ball of the year, having won three straight road games over Loyola, Navy, and Army.
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bisonmania Masters Student Posts 920 |
02-26-17 02:31 PM - Post#223769
I agree 137. I am very concerned about Zach's ankle. He was in quite a bit of pain after the game and it is the same one that sidelined him a few games last season. With that said they very much need him to have a chance at winning the tournament imo. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-26-17 04:22 PM - Post#223792
I expect Zach and Nana will be ready to play on Thursday. Tournament games are never easy, but these guys have stepped up when they needed to. We have lots of weapons and lots of ways to score. As long as we play strong defense, there's nobody in this league we can't beat. |
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BreakinBison Sophomore Posts 146 |
02-26-17 10:07 PM - Post#223822
This bracket shows Lafayette playing Army instead of American but obviously it is wrong. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Patriot_Lea gu... |
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Bison54 PhD Student Posts 1800 
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02-26-17 10:21 PM - Post#223823
They fixed it |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-27-17 11:59 AM - Post#223856
It wouldn't be late February without yet another ridiculous bracket distributed by the Patriot League. http://patriotleague.org/documents/2017/2/26// 2016... Why in the hell would you EVER clutter this thing by putting "No 8/9 winner" and "No. 7/10 winner" in those slots, thus making it useless to people who print these out and fill them in as we go? And for God's sake, we're the Patriot League...do you think we might reach the proper conclusion about which teams* are going in those slots all on our own?? * If there's doubt about reseeding, it should be addressed in a footnote |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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02-27-17 01:04 PM - Post#223864
BRW, are you saying that you would like to be the President of the PL?
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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02-27-17 01:05 PM - Post#223865
BTW, BRW, we both have 3,837 posts. So, I felt compelled to one up you by posting again! 
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-27-17 01:20 PM - Post#223867
BTW, BRW, we both have 3,837 posts. So, I felt compelled to one up you by posting again! Oh, you did, huh? |
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atlantabison PhD Student Posts 1835 |
02-27-17 02:19 PM - Post#223877
BTW, BRW, we both have 3,837 posts. So, I felt compelled to one up you by posting again! Oh, you did, huh? Catch up with 137 and you can worry about such things.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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02-27-17 02:59 PM - Post#223887
I was lurking on the HC board, and I saw that cmo posted the odds of each team winning the PL tournament: https://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/conference-tourna ... Bucknell: 62.53% Lehigh: 20.65% Boston U: 11.66% Other: 5.16% BTW, Bucknell has an 81.28% chance of advancing to the PL Championship game.
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mcapodee Sophomore Posts 156 |
02-27-17 03:29 PM - Post#223892
Playoff status is a little more bearish on us. I would buy on 53%, sell on 63%. Bucknell 53% Lehigh 21% Boston U. 13% Others 14% http://playoffstatus.com/patriotleaguebasketba ll/p... |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-27-17 05:15 PM - Post#223902
Playoff status is a little more bearish on us. I would buy on 53%, sell on 63%. I'm guessing we had great odds last year too. Bucknell 53% Lehigh 21% Boston U. 13% Others 14% http://playoffstatus.com/patriotleaguebasketba ll/p... -----> THURSDAY NIGHT. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-27-17 05:29 PM - Post#223908
Playoff status is a little more bearish on us. I would buy on 53%, sell on 63%. I'm guessing we had great odds last year too. Bucknell 53% Lehigh 21% Boston U. 13% Others 14% http://playoffstatus.com/patriotleaguebasketba ll/p... -----> THURSDAY NIGHT. Probably not nearly as high. Bison last year were ranked 167th in nation (Pomeroy) heading into the tournament, while Lehigh was 166th. Navy was 206 and Boston U was 212th. This year Bison are 80th, with only Lehigh better than 184th.
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-27-17 05:35 PM - Post#223910
THURSDAY NIGHT. |
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Paulie777 PhD Student Posts 1767 |
02-27-17 06:46 PM - Post#223924
THURSDAY NIGHT. I agree with BRW, we are going to have our hands full Thursday night. I hope we Bucknell can overcome a tough Army team. After that it may be smoother sailing. Pick-em game Thursday night. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-27-17 11:31 PM - Post#223966
Daily Item: "New Season" Starts Now for Bucknell http://www.dailyitem.com/sports/men-s-basketba ll-n... |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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02-28-17 11:22 AM - Post#224001
I was looking at tonight's games: - 7pm #9 American at #8 Army - 7:30pm #10 Lafayette at #7 Loyola The questions is, who do we want to win each game? Personally, I would like to see American and Loyola win. I think that American would be much easier for the Bison to beat than Army. Also, I think that Loyola can push both Boston U and possibly Lehigh to the brink. In doing so, provided that the Bison make the Championship Game, they might face a more tired opponent. Any thoughts?
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-28-17 12:29 PM - Post#224011
Army is the better team, but both are young and inconsistent. Loyola is a far better team than Lafayette, but also inconsistent. They've beaten Lehigh twice, by a total of 3 points, along with Bucknell and been terrible at other times. Depending on which Loyola team shows up, they can be a handful for anyone. I don't care who we play. Just win baby! Though a finals matchup with Lehigh would be exciting. |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
02-28-17 02:08 PM - Post#224033
Que sera, sera! |
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atlantabison PhD Student Posts 1835 |
02-28-17 02:52 PM - Post#224035
Right now it is just win Thursday time. It is one of the luxuries of a more spread out tournament. Despite Army being the superior team, I think we match-up better against them in terms of styles. I don't think our kids like to play the pace that American would force the game into.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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02-28-17 03:02 PM - Post#224036
AB, I agree with the JUST WIN mentality. The Bison are peaking at the right time. It is time to win it all and start dancing!!!
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-28-17 09:26 PM - Post#224075
Army up 12 with 5:00 to play. So far it's the bad Loyola, down 5 to Lafayette at halftime. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-28-17 10:56 PM - Post#224082
FINAL Army 74 American 58 Loyola 67 Lafayette 64 |
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Paulie777 PhD Student Posts 1767 |
03-01-17 10:36 PM - Post#224216
Apparently Lewisburg hotels nearly sold out for the next few weeks. A swimming meet, a wrestling tournament, and the basketball team have things pretty crowded through the 18th. http://www.dailyitem.com/news/local_news/big-s ales... |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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03-01-17 11:43 PM - Post#224227
Apparently Lewisburg hotels nearly sold out for the next few weeks. A swimming meet, a wrestling tournament, and the basketball team have things pretty crowded through the 18th. http://www.dailyitem.com/news/local_news/big-s ales... The EIWA tournament and the PIAA swimming championships bring in a huge amount of money to Lewisburg. One runs two very full days and the other runs six days. Most attendees are from out of the area and stay over for multiple days.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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03-02-17 03:30 PM - Post#224318
This site predicts that Bucknell will "choke" again with Lehigh dancing. I almost threw up. https://www.vavel.com/en-us/ncaa/college-ba sketbal...
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
03-02-17 05:19 PM - Post#224329
That's SOV. Usually he's pretty good about us, and he was in this article up to the point of his prediction. We'll just have to wait and see. |
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LewisburgLocal Freshman Posts 24 |
03-02-17 06:39 PM - Post#224339
Did anyone see this article....Someone is a Kempton fan lol http://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/2/26/14740786/... |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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03-02-17 08:55 PM - Post#224364
HC is ice cold with only 12 points in the first half against Navy. Personally, I would love to see HC knocked out early this year.
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BUFan PhD Student Posts 1936 
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03-02-17 08:57 PM - Post#224365
31 total points in the half. Ugly! Go 'Gate! |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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03-02-17 09:23 PM - Post#224369
Gate up by 4 with 12:30 left to go. Go GATE!
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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03-07-17 07:03 PM - Post#225463
Radical idea for rewarding top seeds in league tournaments. I'm ok with the bye, but spotting a 10-point lead is crazy. http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ne ws/t... |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
03-07-17 07:15 PM - Post#225466
They do not even mention the PL best team stays home system. Also given the way the PL tourney schedules, best team would sit for 10 days awaiting the tourney winner. Might work if you did it over a few days at champs sight. 10-0 lead is anti American. (not meaning AU) |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
03-07-17 08:29 PM - Post#225477
Fwiw I believe the grandfather of all tournaments was the ACC. At the time there were fewer teams in the dance (32?) and the ACC Champ was definitely at risk of getting left out. They played every year at the Greensboro Colisseum, and it was a huge moneygrab that caught on. I thought it was a dumb idea then, and still do. But with the Ivy's capitulating, there ain't no stopping it. We have beaten two teams that we already beat twice. Now LU has to beat us for a third time. If they can, we can urinate and moan, but we really cannot complain about the conference rep being a team that beat us three out of three. One way to stop that! |
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MrPhillie Postdoc Posts 2757
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03-07-17 08:46 PM - Post#225479
Quite simply, if we cannot defeat Lehigh one time, we do not deserve to dance. |
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MrPhillie Postdoc Posts 2757
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03-07-17 08:47 PM - Post#225480
Quite simply, if we cannot defeat Lehigh one time, we do not deserve to dance. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
03-07-17 08:52 PM - Post#225482
Radical idea for rewarding top seeds in league tournaments. I'm ok with the bye, but spotting a 10-point lead is crazy. http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ne ws/t... The OVC uses an interesting bracket, but their tournament is played on four consecutive days. http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/tou rnam... |
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HuskyColonial PhD Student Posts 1976 |
03-07-17 10:43 PM - Post#225501
I mentioned that before Mr. Phillis. The regular season title and perhaps a good NIT showing is what we honestly should expect for not winning one game out of three with two of them at Sojka |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
03-08-17 02:39 AM - Post#225516
Top two seeds had a bye to the semis. #1 lost in the semis and #2 in the final. |
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