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rbg Postdoc Posts 3053 |
02-27-17 05:25 PM - Post#223905
Jonathan Tannenwald, with some assistance from Mike James, has come up with all of the playoff results from this weekend's games. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/c ollege/... |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8246 
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02-27-17 06:45 PM - Post#223923
Wow...and thanks! |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1346 
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02-27-17 09:08 PM - Post#223942
Maybe I'm missing it (and I'm not interested in devoting hours to figuring this out) but I don't understand how they avoid the circular problem of applying tiebreakers for, say, #4 that require looking at W-L record versus #7, when you have to apply tiebreakers to determine #7 that are partly based on W-L versus #4. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
02-27-17 09:30 PM - Post#223944
According to the tiebreaking rules, you break the ties in hierarchical order. So the #4 tie gets broken first. |
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umbrellaman Masters Student Posts 476 
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02-27-17 09:59 PM - Post#223951
Maybe I'm missing it (and I'm not interested in devoting hours to figuring this out) but I don't understand how they avoid the circular problem of applying tiebreakers for, say, #4 that require looking at W-L record versus #7, when you have to apply tiebreakers to determine #7 that are partly based on W-L versus #4. Let's say you need to break 4 and 5, and 6 and 7 are also tied. You compare the combined records of 4 vs 6 and 7 vs 5 vs 6 and 7. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
02-27-17 10:06 PM - Post#223953
Correct. Ties are broken down the ladder so tied teams further down the standings are treated together if tied. |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1346
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02-28-17 11:24 AM - Post#224002
So this means that it's possible (theoretically; I have no idea how realistically) for the tie for #4 to have been broken with the eventual #4 having a worse record versus the ultimate #6 (after tie-breaking with #7) than #5 had versus ultimate #6? |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
02-28-17 11:31 AM - Post#224003
In that unlikely event there will be a 2 out of 3 pie-throwing contest at Robin Harris to determine the winner of the #4 team. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
02-28-17 08:04 PM - Post#224070
In case you missed it, the saga continues. The chachams in Princeton left yet another item ambiguous and is only being cleared up thanks to Mike James and Jonathan Tannenwald's persistent questioning. Check Mike's twitter account for this afternoon's latest. Apparently they now WILL break any ties among the 6-7-8 seeds, if necessary, before breaking a 4-5 tie. This once again changes the calculus. No matter what happens, the Ivy folks need a complete makeover of the rules for next year. In some cases, far more clarity and precision are required. In others, the criteria themselves need to be scrapped or at minimum modified.
So this means that it's possible (theoretically; I have no idea how realistically) for the tie for #4 to have been broken with the eventual #4 having a worse record versus the ultimate #6 (after tie-breaking with #7) than #5 had versus ultimate #6? |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1346
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02-28-17 09:04 PM - Post#224074
I did miss it because I'm not on twitter (I reserve right to change if elected president.) I suppose I should be dismayed the powers that be can't get their act together, but that would presume I expected them to. Maybe if they read these boards they would not be so far behind the curve. At least I learned a new word (chachams), which I did not really have to look up to figure out. (Edit: so actually I mistakenly assumed it was not a term of respect.) |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4911 |
02-28-17 10:52 PM - Post#224081
My N+1 tournament idea is starting to look like common sense by contrast now, isn't it? |
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westphillywarrior Sophomore Posts 196 |
02-28-17 11:18 PM - Post#224084
This has become a total joke. To make sure we get this right we should get PricewaterhouseCooper to figure out the tiebreakers. They might even do it pro bono, I heard that one of their partners is a Cornell grad. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-01-17 08:46 AM - Post#224094
In that unlikely event there will be a 2 out of 3 pie-throwing contest at Robin Harris to determine the winner of the #4 team. This is the best idea yet. I'm totally on board. But why limit it to 2 out of 3? |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32819 |
03-01-17 09:31 AM - Post#224098
Or this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZOLs03vILs |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1346
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03-01-17 10:30 AM - Post#224102
The lacrosse tie breaking procedures (and maybe others) actually included a coin flip, at least a year or two ago. Don't know if they have modified this. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
03-01-17 11:09 AM - Post#224109
The basketball ones also include a coin flip. The ratings were stuffed in ahead of those to (basically) ensure that it would never get to a coin flip, because the coaches didn't want that. |
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DCAJedi Masters Student Posts 582 |
03-01-17 11:51 AM - Post#224117
For what it's worth, I've updated the playoff scenarios post a few times. It should be clearer now than it was in previous forms. Any questions, let me know...
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SecS3 Junior Posts 246 |
03-01-17 12:10 PM - Post#224121
You don't want to waste too many pies. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8246
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03-01-17 05:33 PM - Post#224166
If we can't beat Harvard, we can't beat Princeton either. |
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