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Bucknellbisonfan21
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03-09-17 08:43 PM - Post#225971    

You can watch the selection show with the team on Sunday in the Elaine Langone Center on campus. Doors open at 5:00, the show is from 5:30-7:00.
BisonRoadWarrior
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03-10-17 11:00 AM - Post#226045    

Lunardi, in error, this morning has Bucknell-Butler rematch in a 13 vs 4 game.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/bracke...

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03-10-17 11:01 AM - Post#226046    

CBS has 14 Bucknell vs 3 Duke in the East. (Doesn't say where, but I assume that would be in Greenville, SC.)
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/br acke...
BreakinBison
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03-10-17 11:08 AM - Post#226048    

This site provides a nice summary of potential seeding (consensus has us as a 14 although one has us as high as a 12 and another as low as a 16):

http://www.bracketmatrix.com/



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03-10-17 11:16 AM - Post#226052    

If we're a 13 or 14, here are the current likely 3's and 4's per BracketMatrix.com (minus Butler):

UCLA, Arizona, Florida State, Florida, Duke, Purdue, West Virginia.

Low 2's: Louisville, Baylor
High 5's: Virginia, Cincinnati



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03-10-17 11:24 AM - Post#226056    

I would love to play Purdue or Florida State.
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Bucknellbisonfan21
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03-10-17 11:56 AM - Post#226062    

I know the committee has to set up the bracket so conference teams can't play each other until the sweet 16 at the earliest. Does the same apply for non-conference teams who played each other during the season? I feel like I remember round of 64 rematches in the past but I may be wrong.
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03-10-17 12:15 PM - Post#226064    

  • Bucknellbisonfan21 Said:
I know the committee has to set up the bracket so conference teams can't play each other until the sweet 16 at the earliest. Does the same apply for non-conference teams who played each other during the season? I feel like I remember round of 64 rematches in the past but I may be wrong.


Per the NCAA's Principles and Procedures
"If possible, rematches of non-conference regular-season games should be avoided in the First Four and first round."

http://www.ncaa.com/content/di-principles -and-proc...

Bucknellbisonfan21
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03-10-17 12:30 PM - Post#226067    

Thank you roadwarrior. So it won't be Butler, which is good, I wouldn't want to see a team we already played this year and the last time we made the tournament.
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03-10-17 12:30 PM - Post#226068    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
CBS has 14 Bucknell vs 3 Duke in the East. (Doesn't say where, but I assume that would be in Greenville, SC.)
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/br acke...



It seems like Duke always has a defacto home game. It would be nice to see them play someplace out west sometime.
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03-10-17 12:39 PM - Post#226071    

Another item of interest. Lunar do has MSM in the PIG. Fair enough based on overall record. But I think the Mount gets some credit for its brutal ooc schedule and avoids Dayton.
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03-10-17 12:52 PM - Post#226076    

  • BreakinBison Said:
This site provides a nice summary of potential seeding (consensus has us as a 14 although one has us as high as a 12 and another as low as a 16):

http://www.bracketmatrix.com/





Realistically the worst seed BU could end up with is a 14. Here are the RPI's and the Pomeroy rankings for all of the lower seeded teams in the mix, sorted by Lunardi's current projected seed:

16: (RPI/Pomeroy)

Mount St Mary's 149/214
South Dakota State 148/185
NC Central 214/164
New Orleans 178/182
Texas southern 119/203
Jacksonville State 147/157

15:

North Dakota 165/177
Iona 90/118
UC Irvine 134/136
Northern Kentucky 89/144

14:

UC Bakersfield 79/110
FGCU 84/108
Winthrop 69/114
Akron 58/96

13:

BUCKNELL 63/80
E. Tennessee St 57/64
Princeton 53/63
UT Arlington 36/69

12:

Vermont 49/60


I think it is clear the Bison are better than all the 14's except possibly Akron. Also there are at least three undecided tournaments where an upset could help BU:

- MAC: If Akron loses, the next best is Ohio (110/101).
- AE: If Vermont loses, then it is Stony a rook (174/212).
- Ivy: If Princeton loses, the next best is Harvard (129/109).


Remember that the committee is not looking at Pomeroy - but it is a very good reflection of a teams body of work. Also the Bison have a win over a top 50 team and two more over a top 100. As for of SOS, the Bison have a better one than all of the 14's except Winthrop.




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03-10-17 12:55 PM - Post#226078    

Yes I just cannot see Bucknell any lower than a #14 and truthfully I almost expect them to be a #13.
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03-10-17 01:05 PM - Post#226082    

  • Quote:

I think it is clear the Bison are better than all the 14's except possibly Akron. Also there are at least three undecided tournaments where an upset could help BU:

- MAC: If Akron loses, the next best is Ohio (110/101).
- AE: If Vermont loses, then it is Stony a rook (174/212).
- Ivy: If Princeton loses, the next best is Harvard (129/109).



Also monitor the Sun Belt and MWC.

Sun Belt: UT-Arlington is the 1-seed (RPI 36) and currently projects as a 12. If they get knocked off (and very unlikely they get an at-large), the next best teams are at 112/113 RPIs (Poms even worse), so they would fall below us.

MWC is in a really down year. Nevada is the 1-seed with a 34 RPI, also projecting as a 12. If they lose, you're dropping down to either 70-Colorado ST (84 Pom), 74-Fresno (100 Pom), or 91-San Diego State (77 Pom), so that could go either way.

Given those 5 shots, I really like our chances at a 13, and they may already be a 13. 12 is likely out of reach (would need 3 or 4 upsets in those 5 conferences), but hell, I remember being surprised that they got an 11 in 2013.
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jkrun80
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03-10-17 01:31 PM - Post#226095    

My previous post was wrong. Vermont is playing Albany in the AE final, not Stony Brook. Albany beat S-B in the semi. Albany's RPI is 140 which drops them to a 15 or 16.
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03-10-17 03:35 PM - Post#226132    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
If we're a 13 or 14, here are the current likely 3's and 4's per BracketMatrix.com (minus Butler):

UCLA, Arizona, Florida State, Florida, Duke, Purdue, West Virginia.

Low 2's: Louisville, Baylor
High 5's: Virginia, Cincinnati






Can probably eliminate Purdue as a possible opponent (assuming we're a 13) as they just fell in the B10 quarters to Michigan. Don't see them any higher than 5.

I definitely do not want to see WVU.
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atlantabison
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03-10-17 04:06 PM - Post#226135    

  • Shot Clock Said:
  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
If we're a 13 or 14, here are the current likely 3's and 4's per BracketMatrix.com (minus Butler):

UCLA, Arizona, Florida State, Florida, Duke, Purdue, West Virginia.

Low 2's: Louisville, Baylor
High 5's: Virginia, Cincinnati






Can probably eliminate Purdue as a possible opponent (assuming we're a 13) as they just fell in the B10 quarters to Michigan. Don't see them any higher than 5.

I definitely do not want to see WVU.



The team I want to see is Florida, they are minus their Center out with a knee and lost twice to Vanderbilt. Granted all the coach needs to do to motivate to take us seriously is to play the Vanderbilt tape, but they figure to be overseeded as a 4.
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03-10-17 04:21 PM - Post#226141    

  • atlantabison Said:

The team I want to see is Florida, they are minus their Center out with a knee and lost twice to Vanderbilt. Granted all the coach needs to do to motivate to take us seriously is to play the Vanderbilt tape, but they figure to be overseeded as a 4.




Florida's RPI is currently #4. Lunardi has them as a 4. With an RPI of #4, a 4 would not seem to be overseeded other than if you take the injuries into account.

BTW, Vermont was just moved up to a 12 by Lunardi. I have no idea of how that impacts Bucknell.
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03-10-17 05:50 PM - Post#226153    

Happy to see CBS is pledging to reveal the brackets more quickly than it did in last year's extended show, which was a multidimensional trainwreck:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/media- views...

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03-10-17 07:07 PM - Post#226160    

Yes it was far too long last year...however, I hope to hear a little talk about the Bison and the possibility of an upset.
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03-10-17 07:37 PM - Post#226161    

Love to see Mason win their tourney and win the first round, Bucknell win their first round and meet in the second round. So what is the possibility of Bucknell and Mason scheduling a ref season game in the future?
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03-10-17 08:36 PM - Post#226164    

Couldn't SMU move up to the 4 line if they win their tourney...
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03-10-17 08:45 PM - Post#226168    

  • MrPhillie Said:
Love to see Mason win their tourney and win the first round, Bucknell win their first round and meet in the second round. So what is the possibility of Bucknell and Mason scheduling a ref season game in the future?



MrPhillie, I love the idea of a GMU vs. Bucknell showdown in the Dance, but don't bet on it happening. Aa for a regular season game, there is nothing for Coach Paulsen to gain. So, I doubt it will happen.
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atlantabison
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03-11-17 11:27 AM - Post#226206    

Rooting Guide to a great day for the Bison Today

11:00 am Albany over Vermont
12:30 pm Texas State over UTArlington
1:00 pm. Davidson over Rhode Island
1:30 pm Penn over Princeton
Go outside and get some fresh air
6:00 pm Colorado State over Nevada
7:30 pm Kent State over Akro
8:30 pm Marshall over Mid Tenn St

Wake up Sunday looking at a 12 seed.



Ray Bucknell!

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03-11-17 11:30 AM - Post#226208    

ab, thanks for the info. So, while my wife thinks that I am organizing the garage, I can actually watch hoops all day. What a great Saturday!
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03-11-17 11:36 AM - Post#226209    

Oddly, both CBS and ESPN dropped Bucknell down from yesterday's bracket to today.

ESPN: 14 seed (from 13) playing Louisville in Indianapolis

CBS: 14 seed (the bottom one) playing Louisville.


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03-11-17 11:37 AM - Post#226210    

Lunardi has Bucknell 14 vs. Louisville 3 in Indianapolis. I don't know why, but he has a downward arrow on Bucknell.

Personally, I would not want to face Louisville. They are probably urinated off for losing to Duke, but then again, who wanted to play Kansas in 2005?
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03-11-17 11:57 AM - Post#226214    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Oddly, both CBS and ESPN dropped Bucknell down from yesterday's bracket to today.

ESPN: 14 seed (from 13) playing Louisville in Indianapolis

CBS: 14 seed (the bottom one) playing Louisville.






Lunardi's (ESPN) dropped them one spot, from the worst 13 to the highest 14 due to Akron's win in the MAC semis. The two teams simply switched spots. If Akron wins their final today, they will presumably stay in the same spot.

Need to root for Kent State to beat Akron today (or for Princeton, Vermont, or possibly a couple of others to lose).

Btw, I am not sure what CBS is doing. There is no possible rationale for the Bison being the last 14. It appears that Gerry Palm is mailing it in when it comes to slotting the lower seeds.



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03-11-17 12:00 PM - Post#226216    

Not sure either why they could drop. Would not expect RPIs to move much at this point. Jerry Palm is pretty awful as bracketologist historically. I don't put much stock in him.

Anybody here planning on attending? I probably won't. I did Dallas in '06 (that was damn expensive) and locally here in DC in '11.
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03-11-17 12:12 PM - Post#226218    

Vermont vs Albany just tipped. I don't have much hope for an upset here, but you never know.



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03-11-17 12:26 PM - Post#226222    

  • atlantabison Said:
Rooting Guide to a great day for the Bison Today

11:00 am Albany over Vermont
12:30 pm Texas State over UTArlington
1:00 pm Davidson over Rhode Island
1:30 pm Penn over Princeton
Go outside and get some fresh air
6:00 pm Colorado State over Nevada
7:30 pm Kent State over Akro
8:30 pm Marshall over Mid Tenn St

Wake up Sunday looking at a 12 seed.






Great list. All are results worth rooting for. Two might not matter, however. If Colorado State wins, they probably slot in ahead of the Bison. Better RPI, better Pomeroy, etc. And if Davidson wins, they might also jump them. They would still have a worse RPI (high 70's), but they would be A10 champs with consecutive wins over Dayton and URI.

One other note is that UT Arlington is in the SB semis today, so if they win, they will have another shot to lose tomorrow.



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03-11-17 12:40 PM - Post#226227    

Here's a Bucknell fan/family member of a player trying to get to the tourney game. I believe it's a relative of Nate Sestina's, with an interesting lil back story. Check it out...

https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww....
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03-11-17 12:54 PM - Post#226230    

Depending on where and when, I may try to get to the first round. Go Bison!
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03-11-17 12:58 PM - Post#226231    

  • Bison137 Said:
  • atlantabison Said:
Rooting Guide to a great day for the Bison Today

11:00 am Albany over Vermont
12:30 pm Texas State over UTArlington
1:00 pm Davidson over Rhode Island
1:30 pm Penn over Princeton
Go outside and get some fresh air
6:00 pm Colorado State over Nevada
7:30 pm Kent State over Akro
8:30 pm Marshall over Mid Tenn St

Wake up Sunday looking at a 12 seed.






Great list. All are results worth rooting for. Two might not matter, however. If Colorado State wins, they probably slot in ahead of the Bison. Better RPI, better Pomeroy, etc. And if Davidson wins, they might also jump them. They would still have a worse RPI (high 70's), but they would be A10 champs with consecutive wins over Dayton and URI.

One other note is that UT Arlington is in the SB semis today, so if they win, they will have another shot to lose tomorrow.





Was ahead of myself in the above. If Davidson beats URI, that only gets them to the championship game. Were they also to win that, I am sure they would end up ahead of the Bison in the seeding.



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03-11-17 12:59 PM - Post#226232    

Albany and Vermont tied at halftime.
Bucknellbisonfan21
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03-11-17 12:59 PM - Post#226233    

There's a huge snowstorm coming Tuesday that could definitely affect the travel plans of anyone planning on going to the game and will probably influence when the team leaves as well.
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03-11-17 01:13 PM - Post#226238    

  • BisonFan4 Said:
Here's a Bucknell fan/family member of a player trying to get to the tourney game. I believe it's a relative of Nate Sestina's, with an interesting lil back story. Check it out...

https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww....

How dicey is this from an NCAA compliance point of view? (The notion of boosters giving financial benefit to a player's relative.)
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03-11-17 01:30 PM - Post#226243    

Albany up by 6 with under 10:00 to play....so far so good.
BisonFan4
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03-11-17 01:38 PM - Post#226245    

Well if I was a booster I'd imagine I would be smart enough to not even think about donating anything for something like that.

Also I was sharing this more for the interesting story within it.
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03-11-17 01:44 PM - Post#226249    

A higher seed is generally good, but ultimately success will depend more on how we match up against a given team, less on their seed number.

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03-11-17 01:47 PM - Post#226250    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
A higher seed is generally good, but ultimately success will depend more on how we match up against a given team, less on their seed number.


My thoughts exactly. 12, 13, or 14 it's going to depend more on how we match up and whether we play to our potential.
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03-11-17 02:05 PM - Post#226256    

Perhaps a Purdue or Florida matchup is good?
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03-11-17 02:06 PM - Post#226257    

Vermont comes back to win by 4. Arlington trails by 2.
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03-11-17 02:20 PM - Post#226260    

I think they match up very well with both Purdue and Florida. Louisville makes me nervous, I even think we'd have a good shot against UCLA
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03-11-17 03:26 PM - Post#226274    

UT Arlington is down 18 with under 4:00 to play. You can scratch them from the bracket.
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03-11-17 03:28 PM - Post#226277    

Princeton down 3 at the half
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03-11-17 03:30 PM - Post#226278    

  • jkrun80 Said:
Vermont comes back to win by 4. Arlington trails by 2.



UT-Arlington getting drilled. There's a move up.

Princeton also losing at half.
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03-11-17 03:36 PM - Post#226283    

  • Shot Clock Said:
  • jkrun80 Said:
Vermont comes back to win by 4. Arlington trails by 2.



UT-Arlington getting drilled. There's a move up.

Princeton also losing at half.




Princeton got kind of a raw deal. They went 14-0, which would have sent them to the tournament any other year. But for their reward this year, they get to play Penn in the Palestra in the first round.



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03-11-17 03:40 PM - Post#226287    

  • Bison137 Said:


Princeton got kind of a raw deal. They went 14-0, which would have sent them to the tournament any other year. But for their reward this year, they get to play Penn in the Palestra in the first round.



Yep. Ivy picked the wrong year to start a tourney. And it set up horribly for 14-0 Princeton. Having to win a road game. Then another.

Not sure why the Ivy did it. Certainly not hurting for cash.
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03-11-17 07:39 PM - Post#226400    

  • atlantabison Said:
Rooting Guide to a great day for the Bison Today

11:00 am Albany over Vermont
12:30 pm Texas State over UTArlington
1:00 pm. Davidson over Rhode Island
1:30 pm Penn over Princeton
Go outside and get some fresh air
6:00 pm Colorado State over Nevada
7:30 pm Kent State over Akro
8:30 pm Marshall over Mid Tenn St

Wake up Sunday looking at a 12 seed.







1-3 for the afternoon. Texas State the only cooperating winner so far

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03-11-17 10:31 PM - Post#226416    

Looks like Akron will lose.
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03-11-17 10:44 PM - Post#226419    

Akron goes down!
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03-11-17 11:01 PM - Post#226421    

With the losses by Akron and TX Arlington, that should give the Bison a 13 if the committee does its homework. The only risk factor is if they have to flip flop a 13 with a 14 due its rules on things like teams not playing teams they already played etc.



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03-11-17 11:16 PM - Post#226426    

If anyone is interested in understanding the entire process of selecting teams and then creating a bracket, below is a link for the NCAA report on exactly how it is done. There are a number of rules to follow as to teams that cannot play each other at certain times, including these:

- Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional final if they played each other three or more times during the regular season and conference tournament.

- Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional semifinals if they played each other twice during the regular season and conference tournament.

- Teams from the same conference may play each other as early as the second round if they played no more than once during the regular season and conference tournament.

- Any principle can be relaxed if two or more teams from the same conference are among the last four at-large seeded teams participating in the First Four.

- To recognize the demonstrated quality of such teams, the committee shall not place teams seeded on the first four lines at a potential “home-crowd disadvantage” in the first round.


Additional Considerations

1. If possible, rematches of non-conference regular-season games should be avoided in the First Four and first round.

2. If possible, after examining the previous two years’ brackets, teams or conferences will not be moved out of its natural region or geographic area an inordinate number of times.

3. If possible, rematches from the previous two tournaments should be avoided in the first round.



http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/a rticle/20...



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03-12-17 12:19 AM - Post#226434    

For those who follow college basketball outside of the Patriot League more than me, who would we NOT want to see out of the potential 3/4 seeds due to match ups?
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03-12-17 12:57 AM - Post#226437    

BUFan, I think that some of us answered your question earlier.
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03-12-17 08:49 AM - Post#226458    

Lunardi'a supposed final Bracketology has Bucknell 13 vs. Butler 4 in the Midwest Bracket. Since the Bison have already played Butler, I wonder if there are other NCAA guidelines that are stopping the other 13 seeds from playing Butler or Bucknell from playing any of the other 4 seeds.

He has Florida dropping to a 5 seed. I would have loved to face them.

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03-12-17 08:50 AM - Post#226459    

I saw Louisville mentioned, but wasn't sure if others had thoughts.

On a different note, just like we will likely not play Butler, the following potential 4 / 13 matchups will be avoided due to regular season meetings:

Winthrop - Florida State
FGCU - Florida
FGCU - Baylor (Unlikely Baylor would drop to a 4)

This could make the Florida teams just slightly more probably for us (especially if Princeton gets bounced today)

As I look at it, these are our most likely opponents now...

West Virginia
Purdue
Cincinnati (Jerry Palm's current pick)
Notre Dame (Fox Sports' current pick)
Florida State
SMU
Florida
Virginia
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03-12-17 09:47 AM - Post#226469    

  • Bison89 Said:
Lunardi'a supposed final Bracketology has Bucknell 13 vs. Butler 4 in the Midwest Bracket. Since the Bison have already played Butler, I wonder if there are other NCAA guidelines that are stopping the other 13 seeds from playing Butler or Bucknell from playing any of the other 4 seeds.

He has Florida dropping to a 5 seed. I would have loved to face them.

GO BISON!



I think Lunardi's just didn't notice that Bucknell is not allowed to play Butler.



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03-12-17 11:21 AM - Post#226473    

I need some help understanding the PIGs. I understand why #16s would play each other for the right to get executed by a #1, but I do not understand why there are #11s that have to play in. Why not just set it up so that there are 8 #16s that have to play in to then go against the 4 #1s?
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03-12-17 11:32 AM - Post#226477    

  • Bison89 Said:
I need some help understanding the PIGs. I understand why #16s would play each other for the right to get executed by a #1, but I do not understand why there are #11s that have to play in. Why not just set it up so that there are 8 #16s that have to play in to then go against the 4 #1s?



Because they basically did a compromise - not to penalize the worst 8 non-major champions. Instead taking only 4 from that pot nad making the last 4 in at-larges play off to move on.
B.A. Bucknell University, 1993

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03-12-17 11:34 AM - Post#226478    

Assuming Bucknell is a 13, seeing where the likely 4 seeds are slotted, think they will be in Milwaukee (vs. ND or Cincy), Buffalo (vs. WVU or Cincy), or Orlando (vs. Florida or FSU).
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03-12-17 12:07 PM - Post#226484    

And all three of those sites are Thursday / Saturday. Due to the pending storm I assume we'd hit the road tomorrow
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03-12-17 02:21 PM - Post#226543    

When they added four teams, they added two slots on the bottom and two slots on the bubble. I like that six four bubble teams have to play for two slots in the weekend.

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03-12-17 05:22 PM - Post#226567    

Palm bracket had 13 Bucknell vs 4 Cincy in the South.
Bleacher Report has 13 Bucknell vs 4 Florida in Midwest.
Lunardi has 13 Bucknell vs 4 Butler in Midwest.
USA Today has 13 Bucknell vs 4 Notre Dame in MidWest.

I'm not sure what I want! I just would like to have Bucknell play their best wherever they go and see what happens.
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03-12-17 05:36 PM - Post#226569    

Florida was ripe for the picking. Darn.
MrPhillie
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MrPhillie
03-12-17 05:40 PM - Post#226571    

We were going to watch with the team but we couldn't make it at the last minute. But yeah, Florida would've been a good opponent. Still think Cincy or Purdue could be ok. Surprised to see Duke as the worst #2.
Bison89
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Bison89
03-12-17 05:40 PM - Post#226572    

  • HuskyColonial Said:
Florida was ripe for the picking. Darn.



So true!
New season, new team, new dream . . .

BUFan
PhD Student
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BUFan
03-12-17 06:01 PM - Post#226575    

Florida state
Notre dame
Cincy

Seems to be the options
HuskyColonial
PhD Student
Posts 1976
03-12-17 06:06 PM - Post#226576    

I like this matchup. A lot!
Bison89
Professor
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Bison89
03-12-17 06:06 PM - Post#226577    

Shuffle off to Buffalo to see WVU. I might have to drive if the roads are clear.

GO BISON!
New season, new team, new dream . . .

HuskyColonial
PhD Student
Posts 1976
03-12-17 06:06 PM - Post#226578    

13 seed seems right
BUFan
PhD Student
Posts 1936
BUFan
03-12-17 06:07 PM - Post#226580    

Forgot WVU
MrPhillie
Postdoc
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MrPhillie
03-12-17 06:07 PM - Post#226581    

How bout West Virginia....man they could be very tough. Not my first or second choice...but now we know! Go Bison!! None of the hosts picked the Bucknell upset...prove them wrong!
HuskyColonial
PhD Student
Posts 1976
03-12-17 06:09 PM - Post#226582    

Florida Gulf Coast is overrated. I saw them in person in their defense is wanting to be kind.
Shot Clock
Masters Student
Posts 883
03-12-17 06:10 PM - Post#226583    

Hate it. Nice site for traveling, but damn. The one team I did not want to see. Nathan better practice playing 7 on 5 bringing the ball up the court.
B.A. Bucknell University, 1993

MrPhillie
Postdoc
Posts 2757
MrPhillie
03-12-17 06:14 PM - Post#226585    

Yes their aggressive defense has me worried. When are the game times announced?
jkrun80
Postdoc
Posts 3305
03-12-17 06:26 PM - Post#226587    

We've play against aggressive defenses before. Just need to step it up a notch.
BisonRoadWarrior
Professor
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BisonRoadWarrior
03-12-17 06:28 PM - Post#226589    

With this forecast, how dicey would it be to fly into Buffalo on Wednesday?

WINTER Storm Warning IN EFFECT FROM 8 PM MONDAY TO 8 PM EDT WEDNESDAY...
The National Weather Service in Buffalo has issued a Winter Storm Warning for heavy snow and blowing snow...which is in effect from 8 PM Monday to 8 PM EDT Wednesday. The Winter Storm Watch is no longer in effect.

Locations: Erie, Genesee and Wyoming counties.
Timing: From early Monday evening through early Wednesday evening.
Hazards: Heavy snow and blowing snow.
Accumulations: Around 2 inches Monday night...2 to 4 inches Tuesday...3 to 5 inches Tuesday night...and 1 to 2 inches Wednesday...leading to storm totals of 7 to 14 inches.
Winds: North 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph.
Visibilities: As low as a half mile at times.

IMPACTS: Heavy snow and blowing snow could produce very difficult driving conditions with very poor visibility and deep snow cover on roads.
Shot Clock
Masters Student
Posts 883
03-12-17 06:28 PM - Post#226590    

  • MrPhillie Said:
Yes their aggressive defense has me worried. When are the game times announced?



In 4 hours or so.
B.A. Bucknell University, 1993

Shot Clock
Masters Student
Posts 883
03-12-17 06:29 PM - Post#226591    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
With this forecast, how dicey would it be to fly into Buffalo on Wednesday?

WINTER Storm Warning IN EFFECT FROM 8 PM MONDAY TO 8 PM EDT WEDNESDAY...
The National Weather Service in Buffalo has issued a Winter Storm Warning for heavy snow and blowing snow...which is in effect from 8 PM Monday to 8 PM EDT Wednesday. The Winter Storm Watch is no longer in effect.

Locations: Erie, Genesee and Wyoming counties.
Timing: From early Monday evening through early Wednesday evening.
Hazards: Heavy snow and blowing snow.
Accumulations: Around 2 inches Monday night...2 to 4 inches Tuesday...3 to 5 inches Tuesday night...and 1 to 2 inches Wednesday...leading to storm totals of 7 to 14 inches.
Winds: North 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph.
Visibilities: As low as a half mile at times.

IMPACTS: Heavy snow and blowing snow could produce very difficult driving conditions with very poor visibility and deep snow cover on roads.



Would they not bus to Buffalo?
B.A. Bucknell University, 1993

BisonRoadWarrior
Professor
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BisonRoadWarrior
03-12-17 06:33 PM - Post#226592    

  • Shot Clock Said:
Would they not bus to Buffalo?


Ha....I'm talking about me and others flying in!

Paulie777
PhD Student
Posts 1767
03-12-17 06:40 PM - Post#226594    

I like it. WVU is a raw, athletic team with an annoying fat meanish baby-faced coach. If Huggins loses, I will do a gleeful dance in my living room and it will be icing on the cake that Bucknell does it. But WVU is a strong team with a rich athletic history and no academic filters. A tough nut to crack.
jkrun80
Postdoc
Posts 3305
03-12-17 06:51 PM - Post#226599    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
  • Shot Clock Said:
Would they not bus to Buffalo?


Ha....I'm talking about me and others flying in!



They know how to deal with snow in Buffalo. You should be fine.
crd012
Junior
Posts 262
03-12-17 07:06 PM - Post#226602    

http://www.scout.com/college/west-virginia /forums/...

West Virginia's forum
Paulie777
PhD Student
Posts 1767
03-12-17 07:07 PM - Post#226603    

Here's a good probability map of snowfall monday through thursday. Lewisburg will be getting snow and storm conditions!

http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/pwpf/wwd_accum_probs....
MrPhillie
Postdoc
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MrPhillie
03-12-17 07:33 PM - Post#226610    

WVU board not giving Bucknell a prayer. They feel we haven't played anybody and no way we can handle their pressure. Very little respect.
BuffaloBison
Junior
Posts 223
03-12-17 07:37 PM - Post#226613    

Welcome to Buffalo. For those of you thinking of coming up, here are some random thoughts:

1. If you've been here a few years ago, you might not recognize it now. Sure, the weather is as lousy as ever, but downtown has really developed and the city is used to this, having hosted the NCAA before. For getting around, check: http://buffalonews.com/2017/03/12/cabs-train s-auto... Several new hotels (including one that's part of Harbor Center, which is directly attached to the arena).

2. If you have trouble getting hotels nearby, as a last resort there are plenty in Niagara Falls (NY and ON) that should be available this time of year.

3. Speaking of Niagara Falls, if you haven't seen them you should. Yeah, it's kinda touristy, but you should see it once. But if you do, bring your passport; view is much, much better from the Canadian side.

4. And while you're there, believe it or not that area is Canada's Napa Valley, with lots of wine tours. The wine itself is plonk, but it is one of the world's best for ice wine, worth trying once. And just a few miles, whoops, I mean kilometers, north is Niagara-on-the-Lake. If you're into quaint and charm, that's the place to go.

5. Overall, if the forecast holds true it might slow things a bit but not close anything; it's usually the squalls of the lake that get the national publicity. Just another day here.
BuffaloBison
Junior
Posts 223
03-12-17 07:49 PM - Post#226617    

Do we know which session Bucknell/WVU game is in?
BisonFan4
Junior
Posts 211
03-12-17 08:28 PM - Post#226627    

Wow, I just checked out their forum. I hope WVU's team is just as brash as their fans on that forum. No respect whatsoever. I'm happy to know that our guys are not happy with simply making the tournament. They expect to win the first rd game and are confident in themselves! & a lil bit of info...I think we're going to see more of what Sestina is capable of. WVU's freshman Konate and Sestina battled each other in the State Playoffs in high school. It was Nate's final high school game. I'm hoping for an extended stay up in Buffalo this week. Go Bison!
HuskyColonial
PhD Student
Posts 1976
03-12-17 08:32 PM - Post#226628    

It is disconcerting that our ball handling skills have been an Achilles heel. That said; pride cometh before a fall.
Shot Clock
Masters Student
Posts 883
03-12-17 08:48 PM - Post#226636    

2:45 THU on CBS (Lundquist/Sparnarkal).
B.A. Bucknell University, 1993

Bison137
Professor
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Bison137
03-12-17 08:48 PM - Post#226638    

WVU reports the tipoff is at approximately 2:45 PM.



MrPhillie
Postdoc
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MrPhillie
03-12-17 08:53 PM - Post#226640    

That's a decent time...anybody hear if there is a fan bus or buses? We could drive ourselves but I prob can't take two days off work.
BUFan
PhD Student
Posts 1936
BUFan
03-12-17 09:03 PM - Post#226643    

Vegas also disrespecting us at -14. Bigger line than most other 3/4/5 seeds. I like the disrespect
dirtynine
Sophomore
Posts 127
03-12-17 09:09 PM - Post#226644    

I don't know if the WVU board is universally overconfident. There seems to be a fair amount of angst and worry too - not necessarily about Bucknell (though I detect at least some honest curiosity) but about WVU's shortcomings. I get the sense that some of the fans there would not be surprised to be disappointed.
bison63
Postdoc
Posts 3857
03-12-17 09:11 PM - Post#226645    

Pomeroy has us losing by 13 (80-67). He gives us a 12% shot to win.
Bison137
Professor
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Bison137
03-12-17 09:15 PM - Post#226646    

  • BUFan Said:
Vegas also disrespecting us at -14. Bigger line than most other 3/4/5 seeds. I like the disrespect




iirc, the Bison were a 14 point underdog to Kansas.



BisonRoadWarrior
Professor
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BisonRoadWarrior
03-12-17 09:16 PM - Post#226647    

2:45pm tip confirmed:
http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/a rticle/20...

BreakinBison
Sophomore
Posts 146
03-12-17 09:19 PM - Post#226649    

Huggins comments re: seeding/matchup:

http://www.wdtv.com/content/sports/WVU-na med-4-see...

He says WVU is going to fly instead of bus to Buffalo.
BUFan
PhD Student
Posts 1936
BUFan
03-12-17 09:20 PM - Post#226650    

Since wvu got knocked off in the first round last year, I think they will be focused. We will have to bring out best effort.
MrPhillie
Postdoc
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MrPhillie
03-12-17 09:29 PM - Post#226653    

According to a matchup predictor on cbssports, the score will be 83-67 with WVU given an 88% chance of winning.
bison63
Postdoc
Posts 3857
03-12-17 09:31 PM - Post#226654    

Btw, this is kenpoms # 5 team. Not the dream matchup. Hopefully they get a little complacent.
HoleinOne
Masters Student
Posts 596
03-12-17 09:50 PM - Post#226659    

13? Means a close game. WVU a very good team-no disrespect here.
Bison89
Professor
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Bison89
03-12-17 10:02 PM - Post#226662    

  • Shot Clock Said:
2:45 THU on CBS (Lundquist/Sparnarkal).



Thanks. I just put a "Buffalo Meeting" on my work calendar.

Go Bison!
New season, new team, new dream . . .

HuskyColonial
PhD Student
Posts 1976
03-12-17 10:05 PM - Post#226663    

Huggins is a loathesome individual in my mind. I won't go into th details we probably all know however he represents the height, of the antithesis, that is college basketball.

Were not his teams famous for their 0% graduation rates? Now that's a hell of a guy.
HuskyColonial
PhD Student
Posts 1976
03-12-17 10:06 PM - Post#226665    

And WVU is a great national university so this is not a poke At WVU or their alumni.
BreakinBison
Sophomore
Posts 146
03-12-17 10:21 PM - Post#226667    

Loyola vs. George Mason in the CBI:

https://twitter.com/CBITourney/status/841 108608163...

Lehigh?
Paulie777
PhD Student
Posts 1767
03-12-17 10:31 PM - Post#226669    

.
HuskyColonial
PhD Student
Posts 1976
03-12-17 10:31 PM - Post#226670    

I hope they take a pass frankly.
Bison137
Professor
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Bison137
03-12-17 10:39 PM - Post#226672    

  • BreakinBison Said:
Loyola vs. George Mason in the CBI:

https://twitter.com/CBITourney/status/841 108608163...

Lehigh?




CBI apparently has been turned down by dozens I'd schools - likely by Boston, Navy, and Lehigh (surprisingly). Loyola has a losing record and was the PL's #7 seed. What a great tournament!



MrPhillie
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MrPhillie
03-12-17 10:44 PM - Post#226674    

Watched the Huggins press conference...he's a gem of a guy. Surely he know basketball but that's all I can say. Scary that he says his team needs to get back to being the aggressor. I hope Coach Davis and his guys have some tricked up their sleeves to handle the pressure. We've been doing a better job taking care of the ball of late so I hope some of the turnover troubles do not come to the fore. Guys need to plan for a quicker and more physical game than what they've seen so far.
VoiceofNavySports
Freshman
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03-13-17 06:11 AM - Post#226688    

CBI and CIT hosts pay as much as $40,000 to host.. yikes
Bison137
Professor
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Bison137
03-13-17 08:30 AM - Post#226699    

B
  • Bison137 Said:
  • BreakinBison Said:
Loyola vs. George Mason in the CBI:

https://twitter.com/CBITourney/status/841 108608163...

Lehigh?




CBI apparently has been turned down by dozens I'd schools - likely by Boston, Navy, and Lehigh (surprisingly). Loyola has a losing record and was the PL's #7 seed. What a great tournament!





The CBI 16-team field inclues five teams with losing records in mediocre conferences:

Coastal Carolina (200 Pomeroy ranking)
Hampton 306
Illinois Chicago 245
Utah Valley 190
Loyola 251

Also included are:

MO- Kansas City 223
Eastern Washington 188
Green Bay 185
Stony Brook 212

No teams with Pomeroy rankings better than 100.

GMU has to be the favorite. I wonder how they will draw for this fraud of a tournament. I think it's time for the NCAA to eliminate tournaments whose sole goal is to allow teams to buy publicity and a couple of extra weeks of practice.




Bison89
Professor
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Bison89
03-13-17 09:32 AM - Post#226709    

I just completed my bracket, and unfortunately, I do not have the Bison going all the way. I went with my heart and have the Bison winning the first round. Even though I want Nova to win it all again, I picked Gonzaga.
New season, new team, new dream . . .

Bucknellbisonfan21
Masters Student
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Bucknellbisonfan21
03-13-17 10:23 AM - Post#226718    

Bucknell and West Virginia common opponents:Manhattan and Mt St Mary's

West Virginia beat Mt St Mary's 87-59 and Manhattan 108-61.

Bucknell beat Mt St Mary's 81-65 and Manhattan 76-64.
VoiceofNavySports
Freshman
Posts 67
03-13-17 10:25 AM - Post#226720    

Bison 137 I believe there is no value, other than extra legal team practices, to playing in CBI if you are paying..
BisonRoadWarrior
Professor
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BisonRoadWarrior
03-13-17 12:02 PM - Post#226743    

The All-Academic Bracket
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/03/13/nca...

Bison89
Professor
Posts 5370
Bison89
03-13-17 12:21 PM - Post#226747    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:


NOW, THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!!

BTW, I just printed the academic bracket and put it on my coworker's desk who graduated from Duke. She immediately blamed it on One-And-Dones.

Vade Universitas Bucknellensis!
New season, new team, new dream . . .

BUFan
PhD Student
Posts 1936
BUFan
03-13-17 12:24 PM - Post#226748    

How is Kentucky in the National Championship of that??? Coach Cal has never heard of GPA.
Bison137
Professor
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Bison137
03-13-17 12:56 PM - Post#226752    

  • BUFan Said:
How is Kentucky in the National Championship of that??? Coach Cal has never heard of GPA.




Kentucky has shown an amazing ability to keep players eligible, which is what the APR measures. I suspect there is a fair amount of fraud, with friendly profs giving passing grades to players who do no work. But I can't prove it.



Bison137
Professor
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Bison137
03-13-17 04:27 PM - Post#226807    

  • Bison137 Said:
B
  • Bison137 Said:
  • BreakinBison Said:
Loyola vs. George Mason in the CBI:

https://twitter.com/CBITourney/status/841 108608163...

Lehigh?




CBI apparently has been turned down by dozens I'd schools - likely by Boston, Navy, and Lehigh (surprisingly). Loyola has a losing record and was the PL's #7 seed. What a great tournament!





The CBI 16-team field inclues five teams with losing records in mediocre conferences:

Coastal Carolina (200 Pomeroy ranking)
Hampton 306
Illinois Chicago 245
Utah Valley 190
Loyola 251

Also included are:

MO- Kansas City 223
Eastern Washington 188
Green Bay 185
Stony Brook 212

No teams with Pomeroy rankings better than 100.

GMU has to be the favorite. I wonder how they will draw for this fraud of a tournament. I think it's time for the NCAA to eliminate tournaments whose sole goal is to allow teams to buy publicity and a couple of extra weeks of practice.





The CIT, which traditionally has been a 32 team tournament, could only find 26 teams willing to participate this year despite inviting a lot of very mediocre teams. Had Bucknell not been on spring break, no doubt their intramural champion would've got an invitation.



BisonRoadWarrior
Professor
Posts 5203
BisonRoadWarrior
03-13-17 05:03 PM - Post#226819    

Do both the home and away team pay to participate in CIT?

jkrun80
Postdoc
Posts 3305
03-13-17 08:18 PM - Post#226859    

  • BUFan Said:
How is Kentucky in the National Championship of that??? Coach Cal has never heard of GPA.


Probably all Communications majors. Probably not many bio-med engineers on their roster.
MrPhillie
Postdoc
Posts 2757
MrPhillie
03-13-17 08:25 PM - Post#226861    

Hmmm....my undergrad was communications and Sociology...but thanks. I could not have been a bio-med engineer either. I think the Bucknell roster has a history major as well as non-engineering majors, but I get your point.
jkrun80
Postdoc
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03-13-17 08:47 PM - Post#226866    

  • MrPhillie Said:
Hmmm....my undergrad was communications and Sociology...but thanks. I could not have been a bio-med engineer either. I think the Bucknell roster has a history major as well as non-engineering majors, but I get your point.


No offense intended toward communication majors, but it does seem to be a common choice at the basketball factories. Nana is a double major in history and education and two time PL all-academic team member.
HoleinOne
Masters Student
Posts 596
03-16-17 09:49 PM - Post#227418    

This is Bucknell. No majors are easy.




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