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20Penn14
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06-25-17 11:32 AM - Post#230349    

Pat Lawless‏ @PatLawless_
Luke Kolaja, a class of 2020 PF playing for the NJ Playaz, just picked up an offer from UPenn.
besnoah
Masters Student
Posts 803
06-25-17 11:27 PM - Post#230352    

TEAM FINAL HOOPS
6'4 2020 Guard Niels Lane has received his first offer from Penn
Old Bear
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06-26-17 01:50 PM - Post#230362    

How about 2021?
10Q
Professor
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06-26-17 03:48 PM - Post#230364    

I hear Zager and Evans were offered for Class of 2525.
Penn7277
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Posts 1365
06-26-17 04:06 PM - Post#230365    

If man is still alive, if woman can survive.
palestra38
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06-26-17 04:24 PM - Post#230366    

The horribleness of that song really has to be experienced so....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdSqLfuRN18

SRP
Postdoc
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06-28-17 03:36 PM - Post#230422    

Yes, a truly hathetic number.
91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1125
09-14-17 02:33 PM - Post#232837    

Well, no commits for 2018 yet but at least we are doing something, per Corey Evans on the twitter machine:


Penn head coach Steve Donahue & Georgetown were in today for Pacifica Christian Orange County High 2020s Dominick Harris and Judah Brown

besnoah
Masters Student
Posts 803
09-14-17 08:17 PM - Post#232848    

Per Verbal Commits, Penn offered Harris and Brown as well.
SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1154
09-15-17 12:45 PM - Post#232865    

I appreciate the updates but still believe it is INSANE that we (and everyone else) are recruiting guys like this who have just started their sophomore year in HS! Some of them may even be 16 years old but probably most couldn't even get a driver's permit, let alone a license.
section110
Masters Student
Posts 847
09-15-17 02:54 PM - Post#232871    

As usual, agree completely
1LotteryPick1969
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1LotteryPick1969
09-18-17 08:34 PM - Post#232954    

  • SRP Said:
Yes, a truly hathetic number.



And yet it was the number one song on the charts the weekend of Woodstock
20Penn14
Senior
Posts 364
09-22-17 06:18 PM - Post#233155    

Shun Williams‏ @OntheRadarHoops
AOT @AOTBasketball 2020 guard Alyn Breed @alyndbreed has picked up an offer from Penn
Tiger69
Postdoc
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09-22-17 09:21 PM - Post#233157    

Has he finished grade school?
pennhoops
Postdoc
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09-22-17 09:47 PM - Post#233158    

  • Tiger69 Said:
Has he finished grade school?



Regardless, I hope his arithmetic skills are superior to yours
Tiger69
Postdoc
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09-23-17 07:04 AM - Post#233160    

I plead Joker's License.
Toxicavenger
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10-11-17 09:46 AM - Post#233769    

If it helps, Luke is 6'8" barefoot and around 205 now. He plays for NJ Playaz AAU in the spring and attends Montclair Kimberley Academy. He camped down at Penn and got offered right after camp and had Penn coaches following him through the rest spring/summer at various events and AAU camps. Needless to say, he's excited about it.

To the point below about early offers. At this point (Luke turns 16 in Jan 18 so he's not reclassed like so many others), its not much more than trying to get ahead of the curve and build a rapport. Cant act on it/sign anything until Jr year when one has a qualifying test score and grades. Plus the school doesnt have to honor it and offer the signable LOI either, so its more about relationship building. Kids in the top 50-75 and better tend to get 2-3 offers during freshman AAU season (Luke was 77 on rivals and 78 on scout last year). Top 5 kids get 15+ during this time, (look at NJ kids like Noah Farahkan or Jabri Abdur Rahim offers as FYI).

That said, Luke likes UPenn alot and likes the coaches he's met (Mihalich and Bowman and of course the head coach) and is trying to set up unofficial visits for fall and during season to come back to see the school as well as basketball practices.
Okoro Dude
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10-11-17 11:49 AM - Post#233775    

Thanks for the perspective, I hope Luke finds the right place and that Penn continues to be an attractive option.
yoyo
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10-11-17 01:08 PM - Post#233784    

LUKE WHO?
Cvonvorys
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Cvonvorys
10-11-17 02:23 PM - Post#233800    

  • 20Penn14 Said:
Pat Lawless‏ @PatLawless_
Luke Kolaja, a class of 2020 PF playing for the NJ Playaz, just picked up an offer from UPenn.



20Penn14
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01-28-18 10:14 PM - Post#245041    

West Coast Elite
@wceua
2020 6’3 PG Dominick Harris has committed to Gonzaga! Congrats, Dom! #WCE #ALLIN
20Penn14
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06-16-18 01:31 PM - Post#257929    

@ARosenfeldDVHR

2020 guard Niels Lane (@TeamFinalHoops and @PerkBasketball) tells me he's heard from Marquette, Providence, Stanford, La Salle, VCU, Rice, Tulane, Holy Cross, Siena, and Penn since midnight
20Penn14
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06-16-18 01:32 PM - Post#257930    

@jmverlin

Episcopal Academy 2020 G Alex Capitano tells me he’s heard from Yale, Holy Cross, Colgate, Rice, Brown, Princeton, Drexel and Penn so far today, and mentioned that Notre Dame called his high school coach. Columbia his only offer so far.
20Penn14
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06-16-18 02:12 PM - Post#257932    

@ElitePInstitute

Virginia, UGA , Xavier , Michigan, Penn, Yale, Vanderbilt, and Florida have all already reached out to ‘20 PF/C Walker Kessler. @WoodwardBBall @2020GameEliteFL @DMcDonaldRivals @courtcred @OntheRadarHoops

@OntheRadarHoops

Rice, Winthrop, Longwood, Troy, and Penn have all reached out to Georgia Stars @CoachArtis 2020 forward Luke Champion @lukechampion31 of Lambert (GA) @lamberthoops
20Penn14
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06-17-18 02:10 PM - Post#257945    

@VerbalCommits

2020 Westtown (PA) G T.J. Berger has received an offer from Penn.
pennhoops
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06-18-18 01:49 PM - Post#257979    

wanna feel old:


Verbal Commits
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@VerbalCommits
Following Following @VerbalCommits
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Minnesota, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn, UConn and Yale offered 2020 Gulliver Prep (FL) G Jamal Mashburn, Jr.
penn nation
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06-18-18 06:58 PM - Post#257997    

But not Kentucky?
Jay O
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06-19-18 10:28 AM - Post#258010    

  • pennhoops Said:
wanna feel old:


Verbal Commits
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@VerbalCommits
Following Following @VerbalCommits
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Minnesota, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn, UConn and Yale offered 2020 Gulliver Prep (FL) G Jamal Mashburn, Jr.



Not interested. Those Gulliver kids always get called for traveling.
PennFan10
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06-19-18 11:10 AM - Post#258015    

Mashburn Sr. Played for Pitino at Kentucky. I don’t think Cal feels much loyalty to that generation. And it’s a new era, if he isn’t top 25 they aren’t spending much time on him at this point.
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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06-19-18 11:16 AM - Post#258016    

  • Jay O Said:
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Not interested. Those Gulliver kids always get called for traveling.



I'd hate to have him come here, only to discover that he's a Lilliputian.
10Q
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06-19-18 11:20 AM - Post#258018    

I'm sure at least that he's Swift.
palestra38
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06-19-18 11:20 AM - Post#258019    

But what if he's actually from Brobdingnag?
10Q
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06-19-18 11:49 AM - Post#258024    

You can't teach height.
palestra38
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06-19-18 12:01 PM - Post#258026    

Maybe we can recruit the MonStars
pennhoops
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07-01-18 09:41 AM - Post#258373    

Lucas Monroe from Abingdon Central has committed.

http://verbalcommits.com/players/lucas-monroe
91Quake
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07-01-18 11:27 AM - Post#258377    

He is class of 2019.
palestra38
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07-01-18 11:36 AM - Post#258378    

Yes--going into his senior year of HS
Silver Maple
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07-02-18 11:11 AM - Post#258415    

And he looks like exactly the sort of player SD likes.
20Penn14
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08-30-18 09:00 AM - Post#260804    

@PatLawless_
Matt Zona, a class of 2020 PF from Bergen Catholic (NJ), has picked up an offer from UPenn on an unofficial visit.
Penndemonium
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08-30-18 02:32 PM - Post#260817    

I watched his sophomore highlights video and he looks like he would be a GREAT get. Big, physical, and skilled. Perfect guy for a Dohahue offense (and defense) - especially if he can pass too. It's hard to really see his full presence on video, but he appeared to have a good motor.

  • 20Penn14 Said:
@PatLawless_
Matt Zona, a class of 2020 PF from Bergen Catholic (NJ), has picked up an offer from UPenn on an unofficial visit.


Silver Maple
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08-30-18 03:08 PM - Post#260818    

He's from Oradell. Bill Parcells was from Oradell. Just saying. And I love those Catholic HS kids. Penn has had a ton of great ones over the years.
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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08-30-18 03:26 PM - Post#260820    

I seem to recall Bagnoli got a lot of his football players from Bergen Catholic.

Now they go to play at Columbia.
pennhoops
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08-30-18 04:27 PM - Post#260822    

  • Silver Maple Said:
He's from Oradell. Bill Parcells was from Oradell. Just saying. And I love those Catholic HS kids. Penn has had a ton of great ones over the years.



wasn't david klatsky from oradell?
penn nation
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09-02-18 10:08 AM - Post#260879    

Klatsky was from Monmouth County. And definitely not Catholic.
TheLine
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09-02-18 11:47 AM - Post#260884    

Klatsky went to Holmdel HS.

pennhoops
Postdoc
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09-03-18 09:13 AM - Post#260908    

Got my dels confused.
91Quake
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10-23-18 11:16 AM - Post#263323    

Corey Evans tweeted:

"Junior Myles Stute will take his first official visit to Penn this weekend."



His recruitment has picked up in a big way since we got involved so good to see he is taking a visit. He attends Gonzaga High in DC where Eddie attended also.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
10-23-18 11:58 AM - Post#263330    

Nice catch! Very highly ranked (top 100-110) by 247 and Rivals. We seem to be targeting several high level players in 2020 so would be great to land one. First visit seems to mean something so good stuff.
besnoah
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10-23-18 12:06 PM - Post#263334    

To add some concrete names to what 91Quake said about his recruitment taking off, Stute was offered by Cincy, Florida, and Georgetown, and took an unofficial to Villanova in October.
Silver Maple
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10-23-18 01:21 PM - Post#263351    

Right now he appears to be a 2* recruit. That will probably change.
besnoah
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10-23-18 02:17 PM - Post#263360    

I believe that's an issue with VC's API.

Rivals and Scout/247 both have him as a 4*

https://247sports.com/Player/Myles-Stute-46 042436/
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/202 0/myles-...

Also, FWIW, here's Corey Evans talking about Stute's game in July and fretting that they've ranked him too low at 117:

https://basketballrecruit ing.rivals.com/news/new-r...
91Quake
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12-28-18 05:24 PM - Post#270270    

Making an impression with Stute:

https://www.prepcircuit.com/news_article/show/980 4...
Silver Maple
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12-28-18 05:57 PM - Post#270271    

Stute certainly sounds like the kind of player Steve likes. I get the impression he’s underrated at two stars.
besnoah
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12-28-18 08:13 PM - Post#270279    

Just re-linking the above to note that Myles Stute is only listed as a 2* on VC because of a likely tech issue and that he is a consensus 4* prospect on Rivals/247/ESPN.

http://boards.basketball-u.com/showpost.php?post/2...
20Penn14
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01-13-19 03:30 PM - Post#272471    

Verbal Commits
@VerbalCommits

2020 Pacifica Christian Orange County (CA) F Judah Brown has committed to Saint Mary's. http://verbalcommits.com/players/judah-brown …
besnoah
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01-29-19 11:06 AM - Post#274001    

Small update on Myles Stute. Still mentioning Penn:

https://basketballrecruit ing.rivals.com/news/next-...
yoyo
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01-29-19 03:23 PM - Post#274031    

I like our chances
Penndemonium
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01-29-19 03:34 PM - Post#274035    

I watched a Stute video on youtube and he seems like he would be a GREAT player for Donahue. A really good all-around combination of size, athleticism, skill, and shooting. The video I saw showed him alley-ooping against smaller players all over the court, and didn't show him battling against tough defenders. It's tough to tell more about his motor because of that. Fingers crossed.

Yoyo, do you have any particular insight on this? Or are you just feeling positive vibes?
Silver Maple
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01-29-19 03:43 PM - Post#274038    

Sounds like he could be a great, possibly transformative player. However, it would be bad for your mental health to get your hopes up. Just don't do it.
Penndemonium
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01-29-19 07:05 PM - Post#274067    

True. His recruitment looks quite full.
OldBig5
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01-29-19 09:36 PM - Post#274094    

  • Penndemonium Said:
True. His recruitment looks quite full.


Yes. And with most of those other teams he will be in the NCAA tournament without winning his conference. At Penn it's more of a crapshoot. Kids like to be in March Madness.
Penndemonium
PhD Student
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01-30-19 01:20 AM - Post#274126    

You may be just trying to be a realist - but I think Penn has plenty of merits too - 1) great education; 2) great urban location; 3) great alumni base; 4) great historic program; 5) great gym; 6) chance to be a team and league star; 7) still a pretty good chance to be in the tournament; 8) great coach and teammates. I neither choose to get my hopes up or down - will just wait to see.
besnoah
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05-04-19 12:54 PM - Post#284183    

Garrett Tucker
@GTuckerHoops
2020 @mtnbrookhoops SG Colby Jones has picked up an offer from Penn

Jones was on a Yale official in April and appears to also have a Harvard offer. He was also recently offered by Georgia, Clemson, and Xavier.
besnoah
Masters Student
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05-15-19 03:36 PM - Post#284560    

Verbal Commits
2020 St. George's (RI) G Tyler Kolek has received an offer from Penn.

https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/ 112872711...
TheLine
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05-15-19 03:48 PM - Post#284561    

He looks like a typical Donahue recruit from the highlight reels.

besnoah
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05-16-19 07:06 PM - Post#284599    

Corey Evans
Penn is the latest to offer Rivals150 junior Donovan Johnson

https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/ 112915084...

Other offers include: UNC, Arizona, Auburn, and Miami
91Quake
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05-16-19 07:38 PM - Post#284602    

One advantage we have there is he attends Moon Area High School. Still a long shot but you never know.
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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05-17-19 09:44 AM - Post#284613    

  • 91Quake Said:
One advantage we have there is he attends Moon Area High School. Still a long shot but you never know.


Is that Simmons' school?
Or did he go to Mars? I used to work in that area and frequently confused the two. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Isn't Calipari from Moon Township? (Too lazy to check.)
besnoah
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05-17-19 10:06 AM - Post#284615    

Calipari and Simmons both went to Moon Area, like Johnson.
TheLine
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05-17-19 03:57 PM - Post#284625    

Robby Carmody went to Mars.

Would rather we shoot for the Moon than not be involved. Or maybe shoot for the Stars and land the recruit from Moon.


palestra38
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05-17-19 05:45 PM - Post#284631    

Both the Moon and Mars are outside of Pittsburgh
20Penn14
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06-07-19 11:30 AM - Post#285021    

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1 137017801...

I believe we recruited him out of high school
besnoah
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06-07-19 12:13 PM - Post#285022    

Penn was his first offer and he made at least an unofficial visit:

https://newenglandrecruit ingreport.com/in-the-news...
Silver Maple
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06-07-19 02:09 PM - Post#285024    

As I recall, the coaches really wanted him. Anybody know why he's transferring?
TheLine
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06-07-19 02:18 PM - Post#285025    

He wanted the coaches to call him Cormac the Magnificent but they balked.

AsiaSunset
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06-07-19 06:52 PM - Post#285031    

It seems strange because he got a lot of PT. Maybe he just wants or needs to be closer to family.
rbg
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06-07-19 09:16 PM - Post#285035    

https://www.ruleoftree.com/2019/6/5/18654703/cor ma...

- This is by all accounts unexpected. Ryan struggled to stay healthy, but started 17 of his 24 caps as a freshman, playing 28.5 minutes per game. Despite streaky shooting, he averaged 8.7 points. With the departures of KZ Okpala and Marcus Sheffield, he seemed primed for a significant role.

Entering the portal does not mean he has committed to leaving. Rather, he is declaring his intention and will gauge interest. At this time there is nothing to indicate the decision is final.

Should he leave, he would become the fifth Cardinal transfer in the last three years (Reid Travis, Robert Cartwright, Sheffield, Malcolm Allen), but the first one recruited by Jerod Haase. Stanford hasn’t had a player transfer prior to graduation since Schuyler Rimmer in 2015. -

https://247sports.com/college/stanford/Arti cle/Sta...

- Ryan was very much the jewel of the Cardinal’s ‘18 recruiting class. He arrived on campus with Keenan Fitzmorris, Bryce Wills, Lukas Kisunas, and Jaiden Delaire and was ranked as a four-star and the #68 overall player in the ‘18 class. He was a major piece of Stanford’s plans for the upcoming 2019-20 season and beyond. Ryan would be the first Jerod Haase recruit to leave the program via transfer. -

Back in 2017, Verbal Commits and the New England Recruiting Report listed the following offers for Ryan:
Stanford, Villanova, Providence, St. John's ,DePaul,Notre Dame, Boston College, Northwestern, Michigan, Indiana, Rutgers, Florida, Oklahoma, Tulane, Rice, Daviidson, George Mason, Duquesne, Penn, Yale, Harvard, and Columbia

https://247sports.com/college/villanova/Art icle/Ca...

Back in 2017, he was interviewed at 247 Sports and listed his final teams - Stanford, Northwestern, Michigan, Notre Dame, Villanova, and Yale. His brother, Thomas Ryan, was on the Yale basketball team and just graduated.

- Can you give a quick comment on each of those schools? What were the highlights of their pitches?

They all have great staffs. They're professionals, all of them. They know how to do this and have done it for a while. With Notre Dame, Mike Brey's a great guy and runs great offense at Notre Dame. Michigan is both high academic and basketball. (John) Beilein is also a great coach and knows how to develop his guards. Villanova speaks for itself coming off of a National Championship two years ago. They have a great basketball culture over there. Coach (Jay) Wright has really done a phenomenal job in building a culture of winning and respect and teamwork. Stanford's a new coaching staff, but Coach (Jerod) Haase and his staff basically put together almost a top ten recruiting class coming in 2017, which is really impressive. I think those guys have a great job of hitting the ground running over there and are poised for success. Northwestern had a historic season this year making it to the tournament for the first time, a lot of energy in the program. Coach (Chris) Collins is a really great guy, loves the game, loves basketball, knows how to use guards in his offense. Yale is shocking to some people. The Ivy League is commonly undervalued, in terms of basketball and the conference is really good. It's not as big time, show time, TV money stuff, but they have some high-level players. Coach (James) Jones and I have had a long relationship. My brother goes there right now. They're doing a great job. -
weinhauers_ghost
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06-07-19 10:39 PM - Post#285038    

Reid Travis had taken a medical redshirt year at Stanford, and played last year at Kentucky as a graduate transfer.
besnoah
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06-16-19 11:08 AM - Post#285168    

West Coast Elite
2020 Clark Slajchert (Oak Park) is heading to the East Coast for 2 Official Visits this week. Clark will visit Penn on June 16-18 & Dartmouth on June 19-21. #ALLIN #WCEUA #WestCoastElite

I know nothing about the level of competition, but he apparently averaged 32 points per game on 50% shooting from 3 for his high school team this year.
rbg
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06-17-19 09:01 AM - Post#285182    

Looking at Verbal Commits, Clark has another Ivy offer at Brown.

His brother Wes just finished his first year at Dartmouth.
rbg
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06-17-19 09:04 AM - Post#285183    

Jamal Mashburn, Jr. (4 star point guard from Brewster Academy)

https://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentuc ky-s...

- The son of UK great Jamal Mashburn was one of the elite recruits on hand for this week’s NBPA Top 100 Camp, the annual showcase for many of the top high school prospects in the country. When talking about his recruitment, Mashburn Jr.’s list of possible college destinations was a bit different from most of his peers at the camp.

“All of the Ivy League schools,” he said during one interview session, specifically mentioning Harvard and Penn in a later scrum with reporters.

“I just want a school that I would go to if I didn’t play basketball,” he said. “Having life after basketball is just as important to me as having life with basketball. So just picking a school that’s right for me, that’s going to be beneficial to me down the line and have longevity with me, that’s big.” -
Jay O
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06-18-19 07:13 AM - Post#285190    

What a great sentiment that I both selfishly and unselfishly hope he tells everyone else at the camp
besnoah
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06-18-19 11:42 AM - Post#285203    

I thought it was good news that he had already decided to major in business as an undergrad.
besnoah
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06-19-19 04:00 PM - Post#285242    

Verbal Commits
2020 Oak Park (CA) G Clark Slajchert has received an offer from Penn.
Penndemonium
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06-19-19 05:54 PM - Post#285246    

Mashburn's video is very impressive. Notwithstanding his last name, he looks like a future Ivy force.
besnoah
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06-21-19 11:23 AM - Post#285284    

Myles Stute update:

  • Quote:
Stute is not too far behind with his own offer count thanks to his shot-making and toughness in the frontcourt. The plan is for the Team Takeover product to cut his list once the Nike Peach Jam completes next month before then taking all of his official visits in August and signing in November. Iowa, Iowa State, St. John’s, and Texas A&M each offered within the past five days, and the hope now is for Stute to get to the campuses at Clemson, Florida, Georgetown and Pitt sometime soon.



https://n.rivals.com/news/three-point-play -down-un...
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
06-21-19 12:25 PM - Post#285287    

Nice the he had his first official visit at Penn, but looks like some tough sledding now for the staff with all these other schools involved.
besnoah
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06-21-19 03:12 PM - Post#285295    

His recruiting has continued to spike while Rivals and 24/7 have dropped him in their rankings. It's odd.
besnoah
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06-24-19 04:39 PM - Post#285349    

Middlesex Magic
Congratulations to Magic and Brooks 6‘9 2020 big man Sam Thomson on his offer from Penn! #GoQuakers
Okoro Dude
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06-25-19 11:28 AM - Post#285366    

Think I saw somewhere that he committed to San Diego St?
besnoah
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06-25-19 12:14 PM - Post#285367    

  • Quote:
Think I saw somewhere that he committed to San Diego St?



Dunno if I'm missing a joke, but Sam Thomson did not commit to San Diego State. He was offered by about half a dozen Ivy and Patriot League schools this week.

Meanwhile, lots of offers going out to guards:

BIG SHOTS
Penn offers 2020 PG Kaden Metheny
@kmeth3 of @_theUbasketball (WV) / @BigShotsEliteVa

https://twitter.com/BigShotsNation/status /11435339...

Penndemonium
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06-25-19 12:21 PM - Post#285368    

I really liked Sam Thompson's video. Looks like he would fill a void from Brodeur's graduation. Very high skill levels and very smooth. Good vision. If he can develop Brodeur's physicality and motor, he would be a force.
Silver Maple
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06-25-19 04:36 PM - Post#285370    

I'm skeptical you can develop a motor. Either you have that or you don't.
Penndemonium
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06-26-19 03:41 AM - Post#285373    

While I agree with your overall point, I think sometimes it can be brought out from competition and role modeling. Rothschild would be my main example. He looked skilled but low energy his first two years, but became a much bigger physical and active presence. He credited Brodeur with driving him in that way.
weinhauers_ghost
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06-26-19 09:23 AM - Post#285376    

I am hoping to see Simmons make a similar leap, building on his contributions late last season into next. I think he's got some skills, and now that he seems to have learned to defend in the post without fouling as much, it's time for him to contribute on offense as well.
Silver Maple
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06-26-19 09:45 AM - Post#285377    

I hope you're right about Simmons. I'm this close to giving up on him. Furthermore, if he doesn't deliver this season, he's likely to end up buried at the bottom of the frontcourt depth chart behind Brodeur, Wang, Lorca-Lloyd and possibly Martz.
Penndemonium
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06-26-19 09:52 AM - Post#285378    

Yeah, I like how much stronger Simmons looked last year, and if you extrapolate it, he could become a physical beast. He just doesn't stay active in the post fighting for position on offense and defense at all times the way Brodeur does, and he doesn't keep his hands in the air. He also drops his head looking at the floor when he's resting instead of always being aware of the ball and court. He would be a major space filler if he just did those things. He's the player who could really develop his motor.
TheLine
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06-26-19 10:10 AM - Post#285379    

I liked what I saw out of Simmons, especially towards the end of the season.

[feverishly checks the numbers to see if my eyes were seeing things correctly...]

It's a small sample size, but there's an uptick in the numbers on the offensive end. Would be better if he can get the TO rate under better control. On the defensive end, that foul rate has to come down. Observationally, I think the footwork and positioning could be better - I'm not sure how fixable that is.

Silver Maple
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06-26-19 10:30 AM - Post#285381    

Simmons still looked lost out there way too much last season. I question whether he has truly been able to adjust to the college game
PennFan10
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06-26-19 10:53 AM - Post#285382    

I would be surprised if Jarrod didn't get an extended look to take up the 15-25 mpg Max had last year. Donahue goes with experience and he trusted Jarrod in the ILT and Jarrod played well. I expect Jarrod to be motivated and work on his shot and his body and come back ready to claim the minutes that are his for the taking.

In order to do that he will have to continue to improve his mental toughness and consistency. He can't make 1 great play followed by a foul and a turnover. Coaches won't trust that. Donahue wants a Jarrod that can switch on ball screens (Ah.Max), defend tough without fouling (see AJ/Max/Antonio) get offensive rebounds and make the occasional 3 (and FT). Jarrod has all of that in his game, just not consistently enough to stay on the floor for long stretches and at the end of games when it matters. If he comes in ready to do all that every night, he will be a major upgrade because of his baseline skill level.
weinhauers_ghost
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06-26-19 11:00 AM - Post#285383    

One of the things I was most disappointed with was that when Simmons did grab an offensive rebound, his immediate instinct was to kick it back out to a guard so that the offense could be reset, rather than trying to score and/or draw a foul.

He needs to develop a mean streak. We saw a couple of flashes on defense in the Brown game and in the tournament, but he needs to bring it consistently.
rbg
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07-01-19 01:00 PM - Post#285481    

On the 28th, Jon Rothstein tweeted that Cormac Ryan has committed to Notre Dame. Ryan's Verbal Commits page has been updated with that information.

http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/cormac-ryan
91Quake
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07-03-19 09:39 PM - Post#285575    

Per Verbal Commits we offered G CJ Jones, 6-5 SG from LA who plays at Vermont Academy.




20Penn14
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07-04-19 08:08 AM - Post#285581    

Connor Kochera 6'4 from Illinois

‏@c_kochera
Extremely thankful and excited to receive a D1 offer from Penn! Thank you to Coach Donahue, Coach Mihalich and the entire coaching staff! #FightOnPenn


besnoah
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07-04-19 11:21 AM - Post#285594    

Two articles on Kochera:

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/preps-talk/st -vi...

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/7/1/20677521/rid ...
besnoah
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07-14-19 10:03 PM - Post#285884    

Verbal Commits
2020 St. Paul's (NH) F Jordan Geronimo has received an offer from Penn.

NERR has Geronimo 22nd overall and 4th in New Hampshire. I think that rating is probably out of date since he also got offers from Penn State and Providence yesterday.

One highlight is below:

https://twitter.com/RivalsNation/status/1 150409350...
Mike Porter
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07-21-19 11:00 PM - Post#286175    

Unfortunately we did not make the Top 7 cut for Myles Stutes:

https://twitter.com/stutemyles/status/115 301930757...
20Penn14
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07-28-19 06:28 PM - Post#286355    

We also did not make the cutdown for Niels Lane

https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/11 552542892...
besnoah
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07-28-19 07:37 PM - Post#286356    

I think Penn probably stopped having a chance at Niels a while ago, but the ship really sailed when Calipari showed up to watch him last month.
PennFan10
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07-29-19 10:21 AM - Post#286373    

A ship that doesn't include Calipari's Cats? Hmmmm.
besnoah
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07-29-19 03:15 PM - Post#286404    

Sorry if my post was unclear. Once a kid is getting that level of recruiting attention, regardless of whether or not he gets an offer, I assume Penn's not gonna make the cut. Would obviously be happy to be wrong in either the near or distant future.
20Penn14
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09-03-19 02:36 PM - Post#287393    

https://247sports.com/Article/Matt-Zona-Not re-Dame...

On the recruiting trail, six schools are beginning to stand out for Zona. He says that Davidson, St. Joe’s, Penn, Harvard, Notre Dame and Penn State have all prioritized him.


“I am not someone who is ever going to go somewhere just because of the conference it is in,” explained Zona. “The name of a school won’t make me want to go there, the fit will. For me to have offers to go to the Ivy League, it is just amazing because it sets you up for life. My parents have always instilled in me that books come before basketball, so I am very interested in the Ivy League.”


91Quake
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09-03-19 03:07 PM - Post#287396    

Geronimo committed to Indiana and Thomson to Colgate.

The big man pool is looking mighty shallow for the 2020 recruits.
besnoah
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09-05-19 11:28 AM - Post#287452    

  • Quote:
The big man pool is looking mighty shallow for the 2020 recruits.



This is true, but they did seem to offer many, many more guards than they did bigs.
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Mike Porter
09-09-19 12:36 AM - Post#287522    

Looks like Alyn Breed committed to Providence this weekend.
besnoah
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09-18-19 07:57 PM - Post#287742    

My inexpert impression is that this is the most impactful player Penn is currently recruiting in 2020:

Rob Noonan
Head coach of UPenn Steve Donahue and St. Joseph’s University assistant Brenden Staughn we’re both at Bergen Catholics open gym today. Both heavily involved with 2020 Matt Zona.
QHoops
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09-18-19 09:18 PM - Post#287743    

Are you suggesting that the highly rated PG's are not really in play?
besnoah
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09-18-19 10:49 PM - Post#287745    

I’m not sure who you’re talking about, but Penn has already taken two guard commitments in this class and it doesn’t seem to me that either guy is a guard/wing, so I assume they’re not recruiting more pure “guards.”

If you’re talking about Jamal Mashburn, his official visit list/what he is currently saying does not suggest “Penn” to me:

https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/09/17/jamal-mash burn...
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Mike Porter
09-19-19 02:04 AM - Post#287748    

Matt Zona definitely looks like a key target with some stiff competition, including the new St. Joes staff that is pushing hard for him.

Harvard is listed as in his Top 7, but they now have taken a 6'8" PF and a 6'9" C both ranked higher than him on 247. Hopefully that puts them out of the mix, but it is Ivy League where you can take a lot of kids.

It seems like there aren't a lot of current high level public targets left if Jamal Mashburn Jr. is out of the mix (and agreed based on that article doesn't sound like it is the case), so seems to make landing Zona that much more important.
besnoah
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09-30-19 08:58 PM - Post#288103    

Matt Zona committed to Notre Dame.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
10-01-19 02:17 AM - Post#288105    

Hmm... that seems problematic.

According to Mike James all the top end talent went other non-Ivy directions pretty quickly this year, but seems like Yale and Harvard (more Harvard) landed quality classes.

Our two PG's look promising in some different ways, but I'd say we need some post players in this class, and not sure what is left on the board (according VC it is no one public). Hoping we can pull a rabbit out of the hat!
mrjames
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10-01-19 10:27 AM - Post#288110    

To be fair, it's less important to "survive" a bad year than it is to get a good piece of the pool during a great year. Penn landed Betley and Brodeur, and Yale got Oni and Bruner while Harvard was out nabbing a Top 10 class and that worked out well for the Quakers and Bulldogs.

Now, what it will do is put a lot of pressure on 2021. You can whiff on one class on the heels of two productive ones. Two in a row and you start venturing into the Harvard mid-2010s wasteland.
91Quake
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10-04-19 07:17 AM - Post#288265    

CJ Jones to BU.
Penndemonium
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10-04-19 05:40 PM - Post#288305    

Does the fact that Penn is much more open about recruiting information under Donahue mean that we're now less likely to be bowled over by an amazing late season recruit?
omegahouse
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omegahouse
10-04-19 09:55 PM - Post#288310    

Yes
PennFan10
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10-04-19 11:52 PM - Post#288315    

No, see Bryce Washington
pennhoops
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10-13-19 12:29 PM - Post#288540    

a name that hasn't popped up yet (i dont think) but to keep in mind is tony sanders jr from gulliver prep in miami. 6-7 sf with hm offers (florida, florida st, georgia, so carolina, illinois).
rbg
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10-14-19 05:27 PM - Post#288557    

Mashburn, Jr., chose to join Minnesota and play for Pitino's son.

http://www.startribune.com/jamal-mashburn-jr-com mi...
besnoah
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10-14-19 08:18 PM - Post#288563    

Obviously I have no information that is not publicly available, but is there an indication, beyond his 24/7 page, that Penn is involved with Tony Sanders Jr.?
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10-14-19 11:54 PM - Post#288570    

Good question as I was wondering that too. Sure hope there is because he looks like a very good target but I can’t find any association beyond that 247 offer mention. Great if we are in the mix and have a shot because he looks like he could be a good one.
rbg
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11-11-19 09:14 AM - Post#290566    

Lauren Charlton, 6'0" wing, from Dallas, PA, gave a commitment to Coach McLaughlin last weekend. She plays AAU ball with JB Hoops National girls team out of Scranton.

http://www.nepabasketball.com/2018-19/articles/Cha...

https://www.mydallaspost.com/sports/local-sports/4 ...

She had offers from La Salle, St. Bonaventure, Binghamton and Merrimack
91Quake
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12-24-19 11:03 AM - Post#295242    

Corey Evans of Rival Recruiting with a positive take on TJ Berger:

The Quakers have not struggled to find success during the Steve Donahue era and that success rate should continue during the years that TJ Berger is on campus. He is a capable shot maker that brings great size to the backcourt where he can even be relied upon for playmaking duties.
TheLine
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12-24-19 06:30 PM - Post#295267    

Berger hit 5 3's on Saturday.

besnoah
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04-02-20 11:54 AM - Post#305579    

Northern Kings
Congrats to Northern Kings & Chaminade 2020 6’5 SG Matteus Case on his offer from Penn! #IvyLeague #KingsOfTheNorth

This is the Chaminade in St. Louis that Bradley Beal attended, not the Chaminade in Hawaii that upset Ralph Sampson's Virginia.

Here are two highlight films:

https://twitter.com/NorthernKingsCA/statu s/1243293...

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/12202500/5e44 2ce0bd75...

Quakers03
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04-02-20 12:31 PM - Post#305584    

Not to be confused with the Chaminade HS on Long Island that produced star Penn TE Luke Nawrocki
weinhauers_ghost
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04-02-20 01:04 PM - Post#305597    

  • Quakers03 Said:
Not to be confused with the Chaminade HS on Long Island that produced star Penn TE Luke Nawrocki



And Penn OL Greg Van Roten, who just signed with the Jets.
Silver Maple
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04-02-20 01:25 PM - Post#305599    

  • weinhauers_ghost Said:
  • Quakers03 Said:
Not to be confused with the Chaminade HS on Long Island that produced star Penn TE Luke Nawrocki



And Penn OL Greg Van Roten, who just signed with the Jets.



And, not to be confused with the Winnipeg Jets, which isn't even a football team.
palestra38
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04-02-20 01:31 PM - Post#305600    

Nor with Benny and the Jets, which is not even a sports team.
Quakers03
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04-02-20 03:55 PM - Post#305615    

  • weinhauers_ghost Said:
  • Quakers03 Said:
Not to be confused with the Chaminade HS on Long Island that produced star Penn TE Luke Nawrocki



And Penn OL Greg Van Roten, who just signed with the Jets.


One of Luke's best friends. I probably should have led with that one...If you can't tell, we're close with the family. 30 years of them hearing about Penn sports finally paid off. Luke's brother played D3 ball at Hopkins and he still talks about a Penn-Yale game we brought them to in either 00 or 02. Man do I miss what we used to have at the Palestra.
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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04-02-20 04:56 PM - Post#305621    

  • weinhauers_ghost Said:

And Penn OL Greg Van Roten, who just signed with the Jets.


Not to be confused with Johnny Rotten, lead singer of the Sex Pistols.
Buckeye Quake
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04-02-20 06:28 PM - Post#305631    


God I hope this kid isn't reading this. If you are Matteus, great clips and we'd love to welcome you at Penn.
Quakers03
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04-02-20 08:48 PM - Post#305638    

Yeah, it would really suck for him to know that Penn athletics sends kids to the NFL.
Buckeye Quake
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04-02-20 09:28 PM - Post#305641    


Right. I'm sure that would be his take.
Quakers03
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04-03-20 11:17 AM - Post#305672    

If he's frantically searching for the Penn message board to see how the thought of him as a Quaker is being received by a bunch of old men, and then gets offended at the lack of chatter about his game, I think he has bigger concerns. Man are you miserable.
Buckeye Quake
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04-03-20 11:40 AM - Post#305689    


At least you got the old men part right. Actually feeling pretty good lately but thanks for your concern.
besnoah
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04-03-20 06:16 PM - Post#305727    

Insofar as Penn was ever an recruiting him, which I don't know that it was, Tony Sanders Jr. committed to Notre Dame today.
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04-03-20 06:39 PM - Post#305728    

Yeah besides seeing that on 247, I never really saw anything anywhere else about us recruiting him. Sadly if we were recruiting him that would be a second recruiting loss to Notre Dame as they got Matt Zona as well who seemed like one of our priority big recruits...

Seeing SG's post on the league board about recruiting rankings is sobering and still disappointing. I think every other team got a big, and so far we've whiffed. Worse is that it looks like Harvard and Yale each got 1 of the 2 best bigs in the class, Harvard 2 of the best 3 bigs in the class, and Princeton's top recruit from what I see is the 4th best big in the class.


Mike Porter
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04-03-20 06:53 PM - Post#305730    

Regarding Matteus Case - I have to say I do really like his mix tape, shows good form and hits a lot of 3s, shows good athleticism throwing down a couple of impressive dunks, etc.

Hard to find much on him online as it looks like he is Canadian but went to school in Missouri in the US. His team looks like they were good with another senior going to K State, two top ranked sophs, and another good senior (5 starters made it to all district team). For what it's worth though, the other 4 guys got higher conference and all state honors than he did.

Regardless, it looks like he would be a welcome addition from afar, but does anyone else find it odd we are offering another wing and yet there seems to be no public activity on bigs (while every other team has picked one up in recent weeks)?

Sure hope there is some rabbit the staff is going to pull out of a hat, or this is going to be a disappointment.
besnoah
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04-03-20 07:01 PM - Post#305731    

As was discussed here recently, the miss on Matt Zona seems to me to have been a really big and bad one.

One thing that is interesting to me is that they have also not really been publicly linked to bigs in 2021, other than Franck Kepnang who now has offers from UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, and looks likely to get one from Kentucky.
Buckeye Quake
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04-03-20 07:03 PM - Post#305732    


As big a fan of Simmons as I am we'd better pray MLL can contribute heavily. This coach and his staff have had how many years to bring in a legit big after landing AJ? I hope this is a case of aiming high and just not being able to close the deal as opposed to simply not being able to attract someone period.
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04-03-20 07:57 PM - Post#305733    

  • besnoah Said:
As was discussed here recently, the miss on Matt Zona seems to me to have been a really big and bad one.

One thing that is interesting to me is that they have also not really been publicly linked to bigs in 2021, other than Franck Kepnang who now has offers from UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, and looks likely to get one from Kentucky.



Yep Matt Zona was a huge whiff unfortunately, but to whiff on all bigs is really unacceptable.

You can see Mike James opinions on this class on the league board. Short version of it, he thinks our class could be behind Brown and Columbia... who are clearly behind Harvard, Yale, and Princeton... think about that for a second. Mike Martin is a good recruiter, but behind COLUMBIA?!

I've also noticed no real bigs in the mix for 2021, which is very confusing. There are a lot of high caliber targets in the 2021 class (especially locally), so we HAVE to land some highly rated kids.

I really, really like our 2019 class of frosh this year and would honestly take it over any other squads frosh class at this point, BUT it is so critical to not whiff on a whole class. That's precisely why we had so much trouble this year. Not enough depth to manage and we followed up AJ's class with 2 mostly missed classes (injury being a big factor). That just isn't a winning proposition. My worry about the 2020 class is that it is again a small class, so one thing goes wrong and it gets thin VERY quickly.

Mike Porter
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04-03-20 07:59 PM - Post#305734    

  • Buckeye Quake Said:

As big a fan of Simmons as I am we'd better pray MLL can contribute heavily. This coach and his staff have had how many years to bring in a legit big after landing AJ? I hope this is a case of aiming high and just not being able to close the deal as opposed to simply not being able to attract someone period.



Ugh... yeah I am really hoping MLL will be ready, but I think we are all probably concerned that he couldn't crack the rotation this year. If Mike Wang can get healthy that will help. BUT, even if we have Simmons, MLL and Wang healthy, that is a super thin front court. A big problem. That the coaches know this better than anyone, but literally have not landed a single big this class is very, very concerning.
besnoah
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04-03-20 08:06 PM - Post#305735    

I enjoy and appreciate Mike's contributions, but think that he might enjoy concern trolling Penn fans on occasion.
mrjames
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04-03-20 09:17 PM - Post#305737    

I’m happy to be wrong here if, say, Wang comes back and Washington gets back to his freshman-year self. But failing that, unless you see something in this freshman class, you’re looking at a 150ish team that lost over half its minutes including its only efficient players that used a decent percent of team possessions. If that were a generic team, you’d come to the same conclusion I did.

While I know this board has a history with trolls... I’m not really into all the fan rivalry stuff. I don’t get a lot of joy out of other teams failing (I’d like every Ivy team to be Top 100!). This is just what I see.
SomeGuy
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04-04-20 12:31 AM - Post#305743    

Some of this is why I think Wang could be the center next year. He certainly fits the offense best in that spot. Defensively, he will need to get much better, because AJ covered a lot out there with us playing small. He made the defense.

The one thing on MLL is that we heard a lot last year about him being something of a project despite the ratings and high major offers. So I don’t think the fact that he didn’t get on the court is all that shocking, and it isn’t a reason to give up on him or even greatly change our perceptions. If he doesn’t play next year, then we can talk about a miss there.
palestra38
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04-04-20 07:14 AM - Post#305745    

No freshman center was going to play much behind AJ, especially a completely different kind of player. I see no way we have a successful year without MLL acceding to the starting center spot at some point prior to the Ivy season.
weinhauers_ghost
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04-04-20 11:06 AM - Post#305757    

  • palestra38 Said:
No freshman center was going to play much behind AJ, especially a completely different kind of player. I see no way we have a successful year without MLL acceding to the starting center spot at some point prior to the Ivy season.



The offense is going to have to be retooled, given the skill sets of the returning players. If Wang is healthy and can play, I see him as an excellent high post point forward, though a very different one than AJ was. He's got greater range as a shooter, and I think his passing, while not quite at AJ's level, is certainly good enough to make him a dangerous playmaker from that spot. So the question beyond that is, who do you surround him with, and what roles do those players fill?

If Dingle still has the ball in his hands much of the time, does he have the vision to be more of a playmaker, or is he still going to be looking for his own offense much of the time?

Martz, possibly Charles and a (hopefully rejuvenated) Washington are the shooters. Monroe and Scott are your wing defenders. That's still a fairly small team with some real defensive and rebounding challenges. If you expect rim protection and rebounding from MLL, how does he fit into the offense? Can we expect anything at all from any of next year's juniors other than Wang and Washington? Will any of the freshmen even be able to crack the rotation?
palestra38
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04-04-20 11:52 AM - Post#305759    

Any freshman who is a good 3 point shooter will get PT
SomeGuy
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04-04-20 01:15 PM - Post#305763    

Agreed. I think Dingle is a lock to play big minutes, and Martz is close. After that, it will be pretty wide open. I think all three freshmen will be in the mix.
SomeGuy
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04-04-20 01:34 PM - Post#305766    

The other thing in favor of the freshmen is that Donahue seems to have a clear preference for two ball handlers at all times, and Washington seemed to struggle in that role. So we only get Dingle and Monroe back for those spots. Jelani could do it if healthy. Not sure if Charles is just a shooter. So that would leave an opening for Berger and Slajchert to at least be the backup guard (or even push Monroe to another spot).
Condor
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04-04-20 02:50 PM - Post#305771    

You never know with certainty about Ivy freshmen. However, having looked at the video, I think one looks like an immediate fit to me. I don't like to set expectations for any individual for fear of invoking some posters of the past.
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04-04-20 03:20 PM - Post#305772    

I recall Jonah Charles getting a good amount of assists as a HS senior but didn’t see any games so not sure if that was a skill or based on offense his team played.

Slajchert is most definitely a PG. He can surely shoot and a heck of a scorer but he put up huge numbers of assists this year. If he can translate physically and get stronger, my guess is that he will be a very good player for Penn.

Berger I watched a few of his games this year. Take with a grain of salt as I’m not an expert, but he seems to be more a shooter and a deadly one. He brought the ball up sometimes as a secondary ball handler but not sure he has handle for that in college at least yet.
AsiaSunset
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04-04-20 03:40 PM - Post#305774    

There are many question marks next year. Among them is Jelani who would have probably been a key player the past two years but for the ACL’s
weinhauers_ghost
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04-04-20 06:26 PM - Post#305785    

  • AsiaSunset Said:
There are many question marks next year. Among them is Jelani who would have probably been a key player the past two years but for the ACL’s



Seriously. I'm rooting for him to be able to stay healthy and contribute. He's stuck with the program, and it would be nice to see him reap the rewards for having done so.
Penndemonium
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04-04-20 09:50 PM - Post#305795    

That guy deserves a full pain-free season just to see what he can do. I would root for that even over the team's broader success if I had a choice in such matters.
OldBig5
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04-05-20 08:14 PM - Post#305858    

  • Penndemonium Said:
That guy deserves a full pain-free season just to see what he can do. I would root for that even over the team's broader success if I had a choice in such matters.


Is this (2020-21) his last year of eligibility or does he have one more after that? Hoping for an additional one as I would expect him to take a full year of play to get back near his original level.
palestra38
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04-06-20 05:40 AM - Post#305870    

He could petition for an extra year of eligibility but with the advent of the transfer portal and graduate transfers, I think we have seen the last 5th year Penn senior--they get a free ride for grad school elsewhere after already having the Penn degree
Condor
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04-06-20 09:20 AM - Post#305878    

It is an interesting question because I could see JW staying with Penn an extra year to increase his grad transfer options. Of course, that is purely speculative.
SomeGuy
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04-06-20 09:54 AM - Post#305881    

He did take at least one semester off, right (this past Fall)? That may increase the chances of 2 more years at Penn.
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Streamers
04-06-20 10:18 AM - Post#305885    

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. I just hope for his own sake Jelani’s game survived his injuries and the program restarts on time. I’m not convinced the fall semester starts on schedule.
penn nation
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04-06-20 10:23 AM - Post#305889    

  • Streamers Said:
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. I just hope for his own sake Jelani’s game survived his injuries and the program restarts on time. I’m not convinced the fall semester starts on schedule.



It will start, but the question is will it be all virtual? Mrs. Nation is starting to deal with those issues in her school (she's middle school principal).

Streamers
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Streamers
04-06-20 11:46 AM - Post#305893    

Yes, I should have been more specific about that. Virtual = no basketball.
besnoah
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04-06-20 11:03 PM - Post#305918    

Twitter says that Penn offered Andy Barba.

This is listed as a 2021 offer on most sites, but it appears that Barba was original a 2020 Miami (OH) commit, so who knows?

He has an interesting visit list: https://www.prephoops.com/2020/01/andy-barba/

Here's an AAU highlight tape:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEjk8FrsYEU

And highlights from this year:
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/13754563/5e55 451d32dc...
Penndemonium
PhD Student
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04-07-20 01:53 AM - Post#305921    

I liked Barba's video. I'm trying hard to find his comp with former Penn players. Maybe Jeff Schiffner. Good mix of size, athleticism, and shooting, though perhaps not dominating in any one of those categories. It's hard to comp anyone with Schiffner, because he was more as a player than his vitals. He was a heck of a competitor. T I'd love to see Barba in Red and Blue.

While looking at old recruiting links, I watched Jelani Williams' junior year highlights. Damn. He looked so good. I don't think I've seen a recruiting video for a Penn guard where someone had so much ferocity to his game.

Verbal Commits also has us in the running for Franck Kepnang. I haven't seen a Penn recruit front court video like that before either. I don't know if he has offense, but the guy has two ballswatters for hands. Unfortunately, he is the only big man left in our VC pipeline for the next few years.

nychoops
Junior
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04-07-20 09:07 AM - Post#305924    

Ive seen him play twice. Excellent player that would be an immediate impact player. My fav attribute was his obvious competitive nature and mean streak. Athletic, nice release, fearless attacking the basket. Like most kids D needs some coaching but tools are there. Hope this finds everyone and their family safe and well.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
04-07-20 05:13 PM - Post#305953    

Love this kids videos for sure as he looks both skilled and athletic. I see he was a 2020 but reclassified to 2021. Wonder how that works and if he could ultimately opt to switch back to 2020 class? Would be great to see him in a Penn uniform in 2020 or 2021 of course. Be curious to see how it plays out as he definitely has some big school suiters.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
04-10-20 03:14 AM - Post#306080    

Per Twitter, Mateus Case plans to announce his commitment in a few weeks on 4/23.

Penn appears to be his most recent offer so interested to see how that plays out.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
04-11-20 04:38 PM - Post#306140    

Not sure if all those schools have offered since they aren’t all on VerbalCommits, and this guys seems like a bit of a hype machine for the kids, but:

Via Twitter from the Director of Recruiting at NorthPoleHoops yesterday:

Penn, Utah State, Lipscomb, Western Michigan, Rice, Bucknell, Colorado State and Northern Colorado on one of the best Wings from Canada Matteus Case. (Chaminade/Northern Kings). Decision date set for April 23 http://northpolehoops.com/players/matteus-case/
UPIA1968
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UPIA1968
04-15-20 10:20 PM - Post#306268    

According to the Philly Sports Penn signed 6.0 guard Colin Chambers from Episcopal Academy.
Chambers averaged 11 a game and lead his league in 3's.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
04-16-20 02:11 AM - Post#306269    

I don't have any insight, but I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that perhaps Colin is an AI booster... doesn't have a verbal commits page, no mention of his commitment on Twitter, etc.

While I'm posting I did find this article on Andy Barba:

https://scoopmantv.com/2020/03/08/barba-bein g-pati...

You can read full details in the article, but part that stuck out to me is that he basically said he's open to reclassifying back to the 2020 class for the right fit. This was a little more than a month ago, so timely and relevant to our recent offer.

Sure hope we can still land a promising prospect in this 2020 class, and seems like only Matteus Case and Andy Barba are the recent public offers that might potentially fit that description. Both interesting while being role players on very good teams, but seems Barba might be being recruited at a higher level.
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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04-16-20 07:38 AM - Post#306270    

  • Mike Porter Said:
I don't have any insight, but I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that perhaps Colin is an AI booster...



I'm going to assume that Admissions has done its homework and confirmed that this kid's dad hasn't been indicted for Medicare fraud.
mbaprof
Senior
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04-16-20 07:45 AM - Post#306271    

Paul Chambers son
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/paul-...

i believe he is a preferred walk on, seems like a good fit for that role
Will be fun to have his Dad and Tj Berger’s Dad and mom around the Palestra more often
palestra38
Professor
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04-16-20 08:34 AM - Post#306272    

Paul Chambers also was a basketball walk-on--brought in by Schneider in his last season along with some other football players after Clyde Jr was graduated and Hassan Duncombe found the other method out of Penn and the team was bereft of talent. He made himself a very good player after being extremely raw his first couple of seasons. Had a great senior year.
westphillywarrior
Sophomore
Posts 196
04-16-20 10:30 AM - Post#306276    

Does a " preferred walk on" count towards the AI?
SomeGuy
Professor
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04-16-20 11:09 AM - Post#306278    

Just speculating, but I would think that a preferred walk on would have to count toward AI if he actually played. Otherwise, it could be a pretty big loophole (you could go below the AI floor simply by designating a player as a walk on).
mrjames
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04-16-20 11:55 AM - Post#306280    

You can't ever go below the AI floor. The floor exists along with averaging. Back in the good old days, though, you could use anyone that indicated any interest in basketball toward your AI averaging. They shut that down and limited "counters" to 1.4 times the traveling limit in a four-year span. But you're still free to count anyone toward your AI average, just have to manage those boosters and your real recruited numbers within the overall limit.

And to be clear, there's a fun list of AI All-Stars that gets joked about - players that were All-Ivy level talents AND brought 220s-230s to the party as well...
mbaprof
Senior
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04-16-20 12:17 PM - Post#306281    

Probably more of an issue for the other teams to bring up the ai overall, although football has to be the big issue due to roster size
Good article
https://www.fencingparents.org/college-bound-fence...

Pfd walk ons count and probably have to score pretty well to take a slot

I’m so glad the Jerome sold out the institution so that this issue comes up with a fine kid from a great family who can play a bit in a good league


SteveChop
PhD Student
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04-16-20 12:44 PM - Post#306282    

Mike James (or others knowledgeable about AI) - does this article reflect what you know about the AI? It seems consistent with the VERY LITTLE that I know about AI. Comments?
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
04-16-20 12:53 PM - Post#306283    

Ah, Paul Chambers was before my time but know of him. I just totally didn't together the pieces with my middle of the night post, haha.
SomeGuy
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04-16-20 01:36 PM - Post#306284    

And by “ever,” I assume that means you can’t appear in the basketball game if you are below the floor. Is that correct? The reason this is relevant is because there are students who don’t play sports who would be below the floor.

mrjames
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04-16-20 02:02 PM - Post#306285    

That article seems to have some old information (for instance, AI isn't calculated that way anymore) and some oddly worded information (each team's average doesn't have to be within one SD of the campus average - rather... the overall average of the non-football athletes needs to be within one SD of the average).

The part that does align with my understanding is that, generally, teams are given an AI average target to hit that will contribute to the overall athletic department hitting its assigned AI average. That process isn't mandated by the rules (only hitting the AI average within one SD of the mean is) but seems to be the common practice of how Ivies get to that number.

SomeGuy - not entirely sure the answer to your question... it would be weird to me that someone would get into an Ivy below the floor with D-I skills that wouldn't have been on the recruiting radar and thus coded as an athletic recruit. Entirely possible to admit for other reasons, though I have to imagine they'd be Ivy ineligible as a freshman (not sure if there's a way to "earn" your way in after that). Typically, Ivies handle those cases by stashing them in the NEPSAC for a year.
Quakers03
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04-16-20 02:25 PM - Post#306286    

  • Mike Porter Said:
Ah, Paul Chambers was before my time but know of him. I just totally didn't together the pieces with my middle of the night post, haha.


I now officially feel old. Paul and Vince are really my first memories of Penn basketball as a youngster going to games. That his son will be attending is just crazy. Congrats to the family. I don't know if Vince checks in anymore but I'm sure he's proud.
Penndemonium
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04-17-20 02:40 AM - Post#306300    

Paul Chambers was one of the greatest warriors in Penn basketball history. He is up there with Rosen and Foreman in terms of having sheer will to win. He played on some pretty bad teams in the Schneider year, but brought the team back to relevance with outstanding defense, toughness and leadership. At 5'10, he somehow made himself the player you couldn't stop paying attention to. Jerome Allen commented that when he came to Penn, he couldn't understand how he was getting out-hustled by Chambers in practice. He gives Chambers credit for showing him how to work.

I'm glad to see his son attending Penn, and don't underestimate him if he is anything like his old man.
Charlie Fog
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04-17-20 06:43 AM - Post#306302    

Paul's brother Tim was a badass on the football field.
SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1154
04-17-20 09:55 AM - Post#306306    

And in the movies where Tim made the film "The Mighty Macs" about the Immaculata College (now University) womens' teams of the early 70s, a film that was invested in by the aforementioned Vince Curran. My wife is an Immaculata alum from that era and was in the movie as an extra but, alas, wound up on the cutting room floor.

Silver Maple
Postdoc
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04-17-20 10:44 AM - Post#306309    

Some of my most cherished Penn football memories involve Tim Chambers.
mbaprof
Senior
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04-17-20 12:00 PM - Post#306312    

Might be time to watch it on prime!
I think its great that young Colin is coming to play , maybe it will help purge the awful taste left by Jerome’s disgraceful use of that recruiting slot
lets hope he is able to hit the court a bit over the next four years, you know he will be busting his butt as a “chambers”!

Streamers
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Streamers
04-17-20 12:09 PM - Post#306313    

Brother Pat has been quite successful as HC at State.
Penndemonium
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04-17-20 01:36 PM - Post#306316    

Do I remember correctly that Paul was also a football player at Penn before dedicating himself to basketball?

I still think he was the grittiest defender I have ever seen in a Penn uniform. I think he set the stage for Penn's resurgence and incredible defense of those 1992-1996 teams. He set the tone for players like Barry Pierce, Eric Moore, and Jerome Allen on defense. Those teams would really lock down.
Streamers
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Streamers
04-17-20 04:31 PM - Post#306325    

Pretty sure Paul was a football recruit.
Penn90
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Penn90
04-19-20 11:45 AM - Post#306373    

I believe another football player, Joe Johnson, also contributed to the Paul Chambers team.
Leges sine moribus vanae

palestra38
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04-19-20 12:18 PM - Post#306374    

Scott Schewe
Quakers03
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04-23-20 02:58 PM - Post#306568    

  • Buckeye Quake Said:

God I hope this kid isn't reading this. If you are Matteus, great clips and we'd love to welcome you at Penn.


Looks like we dodged a bullet
Buckeye Quake
PhD Student
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04-23-20 07:18 PM - Post#306581    


"We"?
Quakers03
Professor
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04-24-20 11:26 AM - Post#306602    

How you could even respond after taking an L like that is beyond me, but here we are.
SomeGuy
Professor
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04-24-20 12:15 PM - Post#306605    

Williams could play a fifth year at Penn, and presumably still then go the grad route and perhaps play 2 more years. Who knows if he wants 7 years of school to get his college basketball in, but he’s kept working this long.

So he seems like a more likely candidate for a fifth year at Penn, simply because he should still have the grad option after that.

Of course, with his injuries, will be happy for him if he just makes it onto the court at some point.
section110
Masters Student
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04-24-20 12:57 PM - Post#306615    

I read somewhere that he has already been approved by the NCAA for a fifth year (pre-virus report). I would be stunned if they wouldn't give him a sixth year with the injury history.
Buckeye Quake
PhD Student
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04-24-20 06:28 PM - Post#306641    


I'm sure your opinion matters to someone here but you can wave it at someone else. I'm not in that limited club.
westcoast
Senior
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04-26-20 05:31 PM - Post#306659    

Apparently T.J. Berger has de-committed from Penn.

https://twitter.com/PatLawless_/status/12 544836246...


SteveChop
PhD Student
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04-26-20 10:16 PM - Post#306667    

That sucks. I’m curious why - given much of the uncertainty of the coming academic year, seems like a strange time to do so.
palestra38
Professor
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04-26-20 10:38 PM - Post#306668    

Let's see if he enrolls in a 5th year prep program. If so, you can guess it was academics. But let's wait and see.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
04-26-20 10:56 PM - Post#306669    

Yes, this is of course very unfortunate and strange... both parents went to Penn, near to home so family can watch, etc. Really curious what is at play here.

In terms of how this impacts team, this makes an already thin 2020 recruiting class thinner, at a time when the next 2021 class is going to be tough with likely less testing available. That’s not great.

TJ looks like a great shooter so no doubt seemed to be a great fit for Donahue’s offense. Based on offers and AAU stats, seemed he was probably 3rd most sought after recruit after Slajchert and Laczkowski (in a class not as strong as we’d like), but this is unfortunate and probably really crystallizes our 2020 class as being bottom half of league (by lack of depth, still like potential of players)...
palestra38
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04-26-20 11:37 PM - Post#306670    

Again, given the great strength of this year's freshman class, the real issue will be the health of Wang, Jelani and Bryce and the following class. I'm really not worried about losing what at best would have been a nice Ivy player. I just want to see what this team looks like with Lorca-Lloyd playing major minutes with as athletic a team as we have had in eons.
Penndemonium
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04-27-20 12:01 AM - Post#306671    

I liked the look of Berger. Especially loved that he is a shooter. How disappointing.

  • westcoast Said:
Apparently T.J. Berger has de-committed from Penn.

https://twitter.com/PatLawless_/status/12 544836246...





Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
04-27-20 12:37 AM - Post#306672    

We will very likely be worse next season than this season, and this season was a disappointment. Don’t get me wrong, I think we’ll compete and be fun, but will be far from favorites to win even if we do get everyone healthy. You don’t get out of the hole without adding more talent.

I’m a huge fan of the current frosh class and think they have the potential to be as good or better than the graduating seniors, BUT... the reason the graduating seniors were 15-15 their last 30 Ivy League games is simple. Not enough depth due to missed recruiting classes. Was a big reason for that injuries? Yep, totally, which is why it is so important to bring in not just quality, but some level of quantity.

This is actually why I find the 2020 class especially frustrating. After a great class like 2019 (great in quality and quantity), you must stack another good class. 1 great class every 4 years isn’t going to cut it. I really like Slajchert and Laczkowski from what I’ve seen and read and Case looks like he has tools worth taking a late chance on for sure, but not enough depth and that could come to bite us later (it sure did last two years).

Here’s to hoping there is another surprise quality addition to 2020 class to help makeup for loss of Berger. I really like Andy Barba from what I’ve watched and what nychoops said. If he reclassified to 2020 and committed I would feel a whole lot better, but who knows odds of that. There is just safety in numbers and we don’t seem to be getting where we need to be to achieve that safety.
palestra38
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04-27-20 09:46 AM - Post#306676    

I think that a lot of us have preconceived notions about incoming classes that are not based on reliable information. I never make predictions about players until I see them play at this level. Few would have predicted 2 potential stars in last year's class with one of them (the one with the most glowing reviews) never playing. I'm not sure that Berger was a player who was going to be a difference maker, but it's too bad he won't be coming. I don't think it had anything to do with our team or staff, though.

As for next year, I am looking forward to it with anticipation. As a 50 year fan of college basketball, I just love the 4 year changeovers and transition. It's too bad AJ didn't get to go out as we would have liked, but the issue is that we needed to replace the two guards who brought us to our last title. And I think they now are there and are only sophs. The big question will be Wang's health and the integration of Lorca-Lloyd into our gameplan. I'm not too worried about making the playoff with that talent level, though. I think Harvard has something to worry about on offense as does Princeton after losing Aririguzoh. Only Yale looks like a lock.

One of the things I don't think gets enough attention was how much our ridiculous scheduling hurt us this year. We gave up home games and were forced to go into the 2 Princeton games cold. We never got into any sort of rhythm until very late in the year, after it was almost too late. While I understand trying to upgrade the schedule, the way we did it was a terrible mistake. I hope we go back to playing competitive teams in home and home settings---teams like the A-10, Colonial and MAAC. Beating Providence and Bama wasn't worth much by the time we got to 2020.
mrjames
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04-27-20 10:02 AM - Post#306680    

I mean, the schedule is unlikely to improve. Much like last season, Penn has to count every Myrtle Beach Invite game (they're out of allowable, exempt MTEs per Ivy rules until the 21-22 season). So that means they have:

14 Ivy Games
3 MTE Games
4 Big 5 Games
6 Remaining Games (possibly 5 if Penn in fact did get penalized for playing excess MTEs)

I don't exactly know what their return situation looks like or if they're going to play one of the other teams in the Myrtle field (since exempt teams get a fourth game for free and are likely to offer one - mostly likely Dayton or Pittsburgh would make sense for proximity). But that leaves precious little wiggle room for traditional matchups...
weinhauers_ghost
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04-27-20 10:04 AM - Post#306681    

I really, really hated having to play Princeton on successive weekends to open the Ivy schedule the last two years. I thought going 0-4 in those games really put us behind the eight ball, and while we managed to right the ship enough to sneak into the tournament as the #4 seed, both seasons were really scuffles.
Stuart Suss
PhD Student
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04-27-20 10:48 AM - Post#306685    

Mike James,

Does this article accurately summarize the rules proposal for college basketball schedules?

It appears to prohibit 4th games in exempt tournaments, such as last year's Penn at Providence game.

mrjames
Professor
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04-27-20 10:56 AM - Post#306689    

YES! With all the stuff going on, I forgot that proposal.

Wouldn't really matter for Penn's schedule, since it would have counted either way, but makes it far less likely those schools would care to schedule Penn, specifically.

So, then, Penn probably has 5 or 6 slots for games depending on whether the Ivy League chose to penalize Penn for playing extra MTEs. I assume some of those games have been announced by Rothstein or similar and some of them are already contracted return games.
Naismith
Sophomore
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04-27-20 11:21 AM - Post#306690    

I hate all travel partners playing each other on back to back weekends. Would be best as first and last league games each season.
Stuart Suss
PhD Student
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04-27-20 12:54 PM - Post#306697    

If there is a 2020-21 Ivy basketball season,

and if that season follows the new conference schedule system, beginning on Saturday, January 2, 2021,

then one of the two travel partner games will be on the final weekend of the conference season.


SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1154
04-27-20 06:27 PM - Post#306705    

I believe that our first Ivy game this season is Brown (not sure if home or away). As Stu noted, our last game is one of the two Princeton games; the other is likely to be the middle game of the Ivy schedule.

As to other games, we are playing Bucknell, Towson and Lafayette. I think Howard owes us a game but not sure about whether that will be this season.
pennsive
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04-28-20 01:09 PM - Post#306743    

I think that the loss of Berger is significant. From his films he looked as though he could have seriously competed for time at the point guard position. We really need someone who can distribute the ball on offense, shoot, and defend his position, and he appeared to have that potential. I know in the past we often have played with combo guards, but somebody with those skills also has to bring up the ball, not dribble into double teams and to start the offense rolling. Who do we have that is healthy who can do all all of those things now?
Penndemonium
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04-28-20 01:29 PM - Post#306747    

Agree - I was hopeful about TJ having a skill set that adds more value to the team.

  • pennsive Said:
I think that the loss of Berger is significant. From his films he looked as though he could have seriously competed for time at the point guard position. We really need someone who can distribute the ball on offense, shoot, and defend his position, and he appeared to have that potential. I know in the past we often have played with combo guards, but somebody with those skills also has to bring up the ball, not dribble into double teams and to start the offense rolling. Who do we have that is healthy who can do all all of those things now?



weinhauers_ghost
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04-28-20 01:32 PM - Post#306748    

  • pennsive Said:
I think that the loss of Berger is significant. From his films he looked as though he could have seriously competed for time at the point guard position. We really need someone who can distribute the ball on offense, shoot, and defend his position, and he appeared to have that potential. I know in the past we often have played with combo guards, but somebody with those skills also has to bring up the ball, not dribble into double teams and to start the offense rolling. Who do we have that is healthy who can do all all of those things now?



At this point, we're looking at some combination of Dingle and Monroe, both with a year's experience under their belts. Jelani Williams could be a wild card if he's healthy (and I hope he is), but anything he can give the team would have to be viewed as an unexpected bonus at this point.
SomeGuy
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04-28-20 01:34 PM - Post#306751    

Certainly changes the profile of the class for the worse. I know nothing, but I am hoping he does a post grad year and is part of our class next year. We’ll see.

As for combo guards, Dingle and Monroe are your leaders. Dingle seems to have some specific repeated errors that lead to turnovers that should be addressable. Monroe had a weird year, where he was great with the ball OOC, and then suddenly hit a wall and turned it over like crazy in conference. I think that can get cleaned up as well. He may have hit the Gensler wall.

Jelani would qualify if healthy too.


Mike Porter
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04-28-20 05:14 PM - Post#306760    

I'm bummed about losing Berger for sure, but to be honest, it's not his PG skills I'm bummed about.

I watched several of his games, and while he is listed as a PG, he didn't play that role. Jalen Warley, a big PG who is a junior getting recruited by P5 schools was their PG. Berger sometimes brought the ball up, but really he was the designated shooter. My guess is that the shooting is what we'll be missing on (he wasn't blowing by people off the dribble or anything like that, really shooting a lot of jumpers).

Clark Slajchert is really the PG from this class if that makes you feel any better. In general, I'm not that worried about PG. Dingle is a heck of a player and will only get better, Monroe played PG in HS, we have Slajchert coming in, and if Jelani Williams was healthy he was a PG as well.

I'm more worried about general depth of classes. If you look back at 2017, 2018, and now 2020 you are looking at classes of 3 or less truly "recruited" players per class. As we've seen, injuries can devastate those classes, and the reason why a Harvard or a Yale have overcome those types of injuries to still be top of the standings is depth...
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
04-28-20 05:19 PM - Post#306762    

  • SomeGuy Said:
Certainly changes the profile of the class for the worse. I know nothing, but I am hoping he does a post grad year and is part of our class next year. We’ll see.

As for combo guards, Dingle and Monroe are your leaders. Dingle seems to have some specific repeated errors that lead to turnovers that should be addressable. Monroe had a weird year, where he was great with the ball OOC, and then suddenly hit a wall and turned it over like crazy in conference. I think that can get cleaned up as well. He may have hit the Gensler wall.

Jelani would qualify if healthy too.





Jordan Dingle's TO Rate was 18.4% for the season, 15.1% in Ivy League (lower than senior Dev Goodman). I would bet if you took the time to look at other players across the league playing PG and holding the ball as much he Jordan did, that it compares well.

Now his assist rate isn't as high because he is more of a scorer combo guard, but his TOs have been overblown statistically.
Streamers
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04-28-20 06:09 PM - Post#306763    

  • SomeGuy Said:
Certainly changes the profile of the class for the worse. I know nothing, but I am hoping he does a post grad year and is part of our class next year. We’ll see.



I have to believe current events are having a profound impact on this year's HS seniors. Their Senior tear is deprived of real classes, proms, graduations, etc. and they have no idea what their freshman experience will be like. This is especially true for athletes (especially IVY athletes) who may have eligibility concerns if the season is impacted.

Doing a secondary school PG or gap year must look pretty good to kids who can make that work.
Penndemonium
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04-28-20 07:02 PM - Post#306768    

This is true. I've heard from several people with graduating seniors that if classes aren't in-person next fall, they'd rather have their kids take a gap year. They figure that Freshman year really is an experiential year as much as it is an academic year.

I think schools will be slightly less open to gap years as a result. They wouldn't want that to cause a shortfall to enrollment and overload the admissions system next year.

  • Streamers Said:
  • SomeGuy Said:
Certainly changes the profile of the class for the worse. I know nothing, but I am hoping he does a post grad year and is part of our class next year. We’ll see.



I have to believe current events are having a profound impact on this year's HS seniors. Their Senior tear is deprived of real classes, proms, graduations, etc. and they have no idea what their freshman experience will be like. This is especially true for athletes (especially IVY athletes) who may have eligibility concerns if the season is impacted.

Doing a secondary school PG or gap year must look pretty good to kids who can make that work.



HARVARDDADGRAD
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04-28-20 07:04 PM - Post#306769    

May not be an option.
I thought I read that if matriculating seniors decide to postpone they lose their place.
UPIA1968
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UPIA1968
04-28-20 08:04 PM - Post#306770    

There are no health reason to forgo school next year. Moreover, there are profound economic reasons to have it. Let's hope the decision makers come to their senses soon.
penn nation
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04-28-20 09:37 PM - Post#306771    

It's a legitimate question, particularly in the Northeast, whether or not it will be safe to start the school year in person.

It's difficult enough for administrators like my wife (middle school principal) who are currently mulling this very issue and, even in the somewhat unlikely event that they began in person, the protocols that would need to occur on their closed campus.

On a college campus, those kind of controls are simply not possible.

  • UPIA1968 Said:
There are no health reason to forgo school next year. Moreover, there are profound economic reasons to have it. Let's hope the decision makers come to their senses soon.



mobrien
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04-28-20 11:39 PM - Post#306773    

College campuses are particularly ill-suited for social distancing. It won't be easy for them to have in-person classes in the fall.
palestra38
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04-29-20 06:17 AM - Post#306774    

If you are going to pay the price for a private college higher education, there is no way you want it to be remote in the freshman year. My daughter is starting med school, which is different, but for undergraduate, you make friends and start a new social life that is irreplaceable. Unless a vaccine is widely available by September, the community colleges will have their biggest year ever and private colleges will have their smallest classes ever. And in general, they don't have the bargaining power to demand that students start this year if they cannot either give the experience that justifies the cost or greatly reduce the first year cost.
10Q
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04-29-20 06:25 AM - Post#306775    

We’re getting our applications in to local schools at a fraction of the price.
penn nation
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04-29-20 08:27 AM - Post#306778    

Totally agree. Community colleges and low cost local public 4 year colleges will be the big winners. As long as they have the capacity to handle all of the on-line teaching.


HARVARDDADGRAD
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04-29-20 10:59 AM - Post#306791    

How many enterprising colleges will offer online degrees for a lesser price once the infrastructure is built?

Hopefully not the Ivies, but I could see many others charging for a distanced degree. University of Phoenix will have competition. Betsy Devos will have her hands full! Politicians will pitch this as a way to avoid student debt. No hazing, less sexual harrassment. Sporting events can take place but without fans. Normal?
HARVARDDADGRAD
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04-29-20 10:59 AM - Post#306792    

How many enterprising colleges will offer online degrees for a lesser price once the infrastructure is built?

Hopefully not the Ivies, but I could see many others charging for a distanced degree. University of Phoenix will have competition. Betsy Devos will have her hands full! Politicians will pitch this as a way to avoid student debt. No hazing, less sexual harrassment. Sporting events can take place but without fans. Normal?
palestra38
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04-29-20 11:10 AM - Post#306793    

It just goes to show you that the college experience is much more than the classes. That's just how they charge you. And without the experience, it isn't worth the charge.
penn nation
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04-29-20 02:09 PM - Post#306808    

My father-in-law got an Ed.D. from an on-line university.
Penndemonium
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04-29-20 03:20 PM - Post#306810    

This is a classic view and I understand it - but I do wish at least one of the ivies actually tried to innovate and make itself accessible to larger populations through distance learning. We've all benefited from the elitism of the institutions, and elitism preserves the funding, branding, and population segmenting that comes with them. That said, if one ivy broke ranks, it would force the others to actually innovate in their business model and population a bit.

If you think that is negative, ask yourself how much has school enrollment grown in the last 40 years? Certainly not enough to make the schools as accessible as they were to us. How many of us would get into our colleges today? That is why I won't shed a tear for the ivies if their model is upended one day.

That said, I think their ecosystem is protected and safe for now. Athletics is one chink in the armor and Covid-19 distance learning is another. It would take lot more to disrupt their current entrenched advantages.

  • HARVARDDADGRAD Said:
How many enterprising colleges will offer online degrees for a lesser price once the infrastructure is built?

Hopefully not the Ivies, but I could see many others charging for a distanced degree. University of Phoenix will have competition. Betsy Devos will have her hands full! Politicians will pitch this as a way to avoid student debt. No hazing, less sexual harrassment. Sporting events can take place but without fans. Normal?



HARVARDDADGRAD
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04-29-20 03:37 PM - Post#306811    

Can you take an online HarvardX course if you belong to a single sex social or golf club?

Can you captain a sports team?
Streamers
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Streamers
04-29-20 05:27 PM - Post#306814    

Penn's business model has evolved more than you might think.
There is also this - continuing Ed and the evening school has been around for decades until it was folded into college of General Studies now rebranded LPS.
Penndemonium
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04-30-20 03:19 AM - Post#306826    

Lo and behold, a professor at NYU commented on exactly these issues. I obviously subscribed (and paid) for an Ivy education. It served me well. That said, I agree with many of his points.

Maybe the ivies don't have to be the ground-breaker, and perhaps certain schools should just focus on pushing the envelope of academia rather than the number of people served. Still, higher education has been extremely slow to change.


Streamers
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Streamers
04-30-20 09:26 AM - Post#306831    

One thing I have preached for a while is that the value of an undergraduate Ivy education is more about branding and relationships than the actual education that can be replicated in most cases in a state school. Graduate degrees are much more evaluated by the reputation of the granting institution.

If you can say on your resume that you have a Wharton degree, exactly how you got it (daytime, nighttime, onsite or remote) does not matter very much. OTOH, remote learning does not foster the kind of long term relationships that make up so much of the value of conventional learning.

Bottom line: some learning works remotely, but the pricing needs to reflect the diminished overall value.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
05-02-20 04:25 AM - Post#306899    

Clark Slajchert is still racking up awards. Per Twitter he has been honored with:

- Being named to LA Times All-Star Boys Basketball team: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/sport...

- Being named to Division 2, 1st Team All State by CalHiSports.com: https://www.calhisports.com/2020/04/25/boys-bb-di v...

In good company on both lists.
UPIA1968
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UPIA1968
05-02-20 09:05 PM - Post#306933    

Note in the LA all stars the 6'10" kid headed for Pussyville.
PennFan10
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05-28-20 07:55 PM - Post#308078    

Steve Donahue was interviewed by alum Max Rothschild as part of the Wharton undergraduate Sports Club and among other things he mentioned they have 4 for this year and may be adding another recruit to this class.

He talked about next years recruiting, the schedule change, how the pandemic has affected recruiting, how the league has changed since his days at Cornell, the leagues ability to get ranked players, and a range of other things. It went about an hour. I missed the first part but heard most of it. Hopefully its available via replay somewhere.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
05-28-20 09:08 PM - Post#308081    

Oh very interesting, would like to listen to that also. Hopefully they do make a replay available somewhere. If someone sees one, do let us know here.
rbg
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07-15-20 12:38 PM - Post#310416    

Men's Basketball Announces Class of 2024 Recruits

https://pennathletics.com/news/2020/7/15/mens-b ask...

Matteus Case, Colin Chambers, Andrew Laczkowski, and Clark Slajchert

Matteus Case (6'5") - from Toronto. Went to Chaminde Prep School in St. Louis. College of Arts & Sciences

Colin Chambers (6'0") - Episcopal Academy, son of former Penn basketball player Paul Chambers, nephew of former Penn football player and Hall of Fame member Tim Chambers, and nephew of Penn State basketball coach Pat Chambers. College of Arts & Sciences

Andrew Laczkowski (6'6") - St. Mark's School in Dallas. Scored 2,054 points in his high school career. Wharton.

Clark Slajchert (6'1") - Oak Park school in LA. Scored 2,833 points in his career, finishing second in Ventura County history and 17th in California history. Helped his team to three Coastal Canyon League (CCL) championships. His brother Wes Slajchert plays for Dartmouth. College of Arts & Sciences.
mbaprof
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09-09-20 01:37 PM - Post#313039    

Lots of people on this board are going to be excited about the juco transfer that will be announced today!

palestra38
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09-09-20 01:58 PM - Post#313040    

But you don't want to be the one to give us that pleasure?
mbaprof
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09-09-20 02:02 PM - Post#313042    

Im technically under non disclosure but

https://www.fiba.basketball/europe/u20/201 8/player...

palestra38
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09-09-20 02:13 PM - Post#313048    

That o-fer from 3 worries me some. Is he a legit player?

Stuart Suss
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09-09-20 02:24 PM - Post#313053    

From Kankakee CC in Kankakee, IL (approx. 60 miles south of Chicago).

Was a 58% foul shooter as a freshman.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Michael-Moshk...
He should fit right in perfectly.
palestra38
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09-09-20 02:31 PM - Post#313055    

I miss your curmudgeony comments, Stu
mbaprof
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09-09-20 02:35 PM - Post#313056    

Pretty good shooting percentage overall..
penn nation
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09-09-20 02:37 PM - Post#313057    

Will there now be a Mosh pit at the Palestra?
Penndemonium
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09-09-20 03:10 PM - Post#313064    

Not sure what to make of his Israel stats, but 15 Points, 10 Rebs, 5.7 Assists, and 1 Block per game is a great stat-line.

MBAProf, should we be excited? Sounds interesting to have a 22 year old who can play - but not sure I know how to calibrate this. I will need the interpretation of more seasoned fans.

Here is some video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3tMxO8brYY

I like his physical style. He likes to put his body on the other player on both offense and defense. That's how it's done. Some of our forwards don't seem to relish that contact, especially on rebounds here it helps most.
Penndemonium
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09-09-20 03:17 PM - Post#313066    

OK, here's another video. He looked kind of slow in the first video. He looks much faster and more athletic in this one. Either this is not the same guy, he has improved a lot athletically, or else they sped up the video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYF58qRfESQ


91Quake
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09-09-20 03:28 PM - Post#313067    

From his coach on the twitter machine in April:

Division 1 coaches: 6'7" Freshman qualifier Michael Moshkovitz currently has 7 or 8 division 1 coaches talking to him. My question is what are you waiting on? This year as a FRESHMAN:
-First team All-Region (3rd in voting)
-16pts, 11reb, and 6ast
-Best passer I've seen from a 4
-3.87 GPA taking Calculus, Physics, English 1, Speech, Humanities
-1340 SAT
-Was near top in the Region in points, rebounds, and assists.
-Averaged a Double-Double
-Had 3 Triple Doubles
-58% from the field & 33.3% from 3


penn nation
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09-09-20 03:47 PM - Post#313072    

I will work my Israel sources to see if they know the back story here.

How does a guy from Israel end up in a junior college in Kankakee (which I’ve been to—in the middle of nowhere)?
andybech
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09-09-20 03:47 PM - Post#313073    

We certainly need more depth in the frontcourt. If he can rebound and pass that might be enough for some depth minutes and he will be older (age 22-24 if he has 3 years left) which might give him some advantage.
penn nation
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09-09-20 04:29 PM - Post#313080    

https://pennathletics.com/news/2020/9/9/mens-ba ske...
SomeGuy
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09-09-20 08:34 PM - Post#313088    

More depth can’t be bad. If he is able to play at this level, he might be a guy who could you could run the high post offense through while paired with Lorca-Lloyd.

The one paranoid thought I had, though, is whether this says anything about Wang’s health. Seems to me we needed another big regardless, so probably unrelated, but Michael is likely the key for next year. So I hope he is all rested up and ready to go.
10Q
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09-09-20 09:08 PM - Post#313089    

Chi five!
penn nation
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09-09-20 09:24 PM - Post#313090    

Is 6'7" (at 220 lbs) truly a big, though?
20Penn14
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09-09-20 09:49 PM - Post#313091    

Will he be just another Mensch on the Bench or will he lead the Quakers to the Promised Land?
Silver Maple
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09-09-20 09:52 PM - Post#313092    

Like a lot of good Ivy players, he might be undersized for his game. Juco transfers tend to be high variance recruits. There's not a lot risked in recruiting him. While there's a good chance he'll warm the bench for two years, he could also be another Caleb Wood. And adding another player with potential to the class makes sense-- when you're going after high variance recruits, the bigger your classes the better your chance of finding 1-2 gems.

I'm hopeful, but tempering my expectations.
gopenngo
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09-09-20 09:52 PM - Post#313093    

  • Stuart Suss Said:
From Kankakee CC in Kankakee, IL (approx. 60 miles south of Chicago).

Was a 58% foul shooter as a freshman.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Michael-Moshk...
He should fit right in perfectly.


But he only averaged 3 turnovers per game...
palestra38
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09-09-20 10:09 PM - Post#313094    

What I saw in his clips are moves around the basket that no Quakers have---AJ had them but now, this kid will probably be a major contributor.
penn nation
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09-09-20 10:12 PM - Post#313095    

This is not a typical JUCO transfer.

Unless he got an exemption, Moshkovitz had compulsory military duty in Israel beginning at age 18 immediately after high school. We know that he was on the national under 20 team, although it's clear on what that might have meant about performing said duties.

Plus, if the courseload and standardized courses as mentioned by his coach in that Twitter feed are accurate, that's probably not the typical JUCO profile.
SomeGuy
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09-09-20 11:38 PM - Post#313100    

Depends on what you mean by big. I do not see him playing as the lone big in the way AJ or Simmons often did last year — he doesn’t appear big enough for that. But he could be more of a 4 than Martz, who got a lot of run at the 4 spot last year.

penn nation
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09-10-20 12:04 AM - Post#313101    

FWIW my Israeli brother just WhatsApped me that he remembers his jersey name from the U20 tourney in 2018, but doesn't remember offhand if he specifically made an impression on him.
Mike Porter
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09-10-20 01:41 AM - Post#313103    

I'm going to be honest here...

Happy we are adding a big (any big) to the 2020 class.

Taking positive angle - on highlight video from this year, he looks like a plus passer, shows aggression and some moves in the post, and looks like eager rebounder. This will boost depth inside where frankly we were going to be a little thin in 2020. I also think the staff is very good at identifying under recruited talent, so if he can develop to point of providing any kind of numbers close to what Caleb Wood did his senior year that would be awesome. Maybe the dream scenario for upside is a poor man's Mark Zoller type growth arc (which would be high praise). He already seems to have the hair for it.

Taking negative angle - am I excited about us adding a slightly undersized, not terribly athletic big, who shoots poorly from FT line, and is mediocre from 3? That is a bit of a stretch for me, especially when in 2020 Harvard brought in a top 300, 6'8" power forward (FROM NJ) and a top 200 6'9" C, Yale brought in a highly regarded super athletic 6'9"PF, Princeton brought in a big 6'9" 3* C, and even Brown brought in a well regarded 6'7" PF from NMH.

I think added depth is great for this year (and hopefully we HAVE a this year), but what will get me excited at this point recruiting-wise is closing on one or more of our top 2021 targets still available.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
09-10-20 02:49 AM - Post#313104    

  • SomeGuy Said:
More depth can’t be bad. If he is able to play at this level, he might be a guy who could you could run the high post offense through while paired with Lorca-Lloyd.

The one paranoid thought I had, though, is whether this says anything about Wang’s health. Seems to me we needed another big regardless, so probably unrelated, but Michael is likely the key for next year. So I hope he is all rested up and ready to go.



SG - I'm might have to call you out a little bit here (in a good natured way of course). Is my recollection right that you were a bit defensive about our recruiting miss on bigs in the 2020 class? I sort of remember that kind of line of thought when the other bottom 4 Ivy's were taking bigs later in the cycle, but I could be misattributing to you, haha.

Either way, for whichever posters were being a bit defensive when folks were arguing it was a total miss to get no quality bigs in 2020 class, this is a clear signal of just how much of a miss it was.

I'm glad for depth and hope he turns out to be a huge contributor, but to be adding a junior college transfer big this late in the game for 2020 isn't exactly a show of confidence in our big depth. In fact, I'd argue its the opposite and is pretty clear evidence that those of us concerned with depth in the post were concerned with good reason.
SomeGuy
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09-10-20 08:24 AM - Post#313112    

Yes, I did defend our not getting a big in the sense that it looked to me like for whatever reason we ultimately chose not to take one. I can’t imagine that we couldn’t get a recruit at the level Brown and Cornell got if we wanted to. However, I think I said at the time that, at least for an Ivy roster without scholarships, we seem thin up front in terms of bodies. I speculated that that could reflect positively on Wang’s health and could mean we are comfortable with our eggs in the baskets they are in. And that’s why I raised the Wang point now. The fact we brought someone in this late could indicate Wang’s situation has changed.

That said, you generally don’t just find a player in September for the upcoming season. So another fairly likely possibility is that this has been in the works for a while. So it could also be that the reason it looked like we intentionally didn’t take a big is because we had one in Moshkovitz, and for whatever reason it couldn’t be finalized/announced until now.
Streamers
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Streamers
09-10-20 08:24 AM - Post#313113    

I’m going to join the skeptics parade here in a way. Unless he develops as a 3-threat, he looks like the antithesis of a Donahue guy offensively aside from his passing prowess. On the plus side, it looks like he can run the floor and is a willing rebounder. The other thing to consider is that when you being someone in at this age, you have already seen most of his upside. I agree he looks like a useful guy off the bench who could score inside on some Ivy bigs and also be a serviceable defender.
palestra38
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09-10-20 08:32 AM - Post#313115    

He's not a "big"---on defense. But he would enable Martz to play the 3--his natural position, since he clearly has better inside moves than any current Quaker. And I see it as more unlikely than likely that we will get anything from Wang (although he is not a guy with inside moves either)--so having Martz taking the 3s and this kid taking the pass inside when they rush out at the 3 point shooter seems to me to be exactly what is expected in a Donahue offense.
AsiaSunset
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09-10-20 08:34 AM - Post#313116    

Not sure I agree. Seems like the Israeli National U 20 team and this community college are both a step up from hs basketball and 22 has to be better than 18. This addition could be very good for Penn
Streamers
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Streamers
09-10-20 09:37 AM - Post#313119    

  • AsiaSunset Said:
Not sure I agree. Seems like the Israeli National U 20 team and this community college are both a step up from hs basketball and 22 has to be better than 18. This addition could be very good for Penn



Which is what I am saying. With an 18YO, you project physical growth and development against better competition. Here, what we see is mostly what we will get.
Streamers
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Streamers
09-10-20 09:41 AM - Post#313120    

  • palestra38 Said:
He's not a "big"---on defense. But he would enable Martz to play the 3--his natural position, since he clearly has better inside moves than any current Quaker. And I see it as more unlikely than likely that we will get anything from Wang (although he is not a guy with inside moves either)--so having Martz taking the 3s and this kid taking the pass inside when they rush out at the 3 point shooter seems to me to be exactly what is expected in a Donahue offense.


Hope you are wrong about Wang. When I look at those floaters in the lane, I see something more at home in a Dunphy offense. Maybe they can use him offensively the way they did with Max R who can cover Ivy 4’s.
91Quake
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09-10-20 09:43 AM - Post#313121    

He adds some depth on the front line which was paper thin so this is good. They have 3 years to improve his shot but mostly what you see is what you will get which is pretty solid.
palestra38
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09-10-20 09:51 AM - Post#313122    

Just from the video, I can see he is a much much better offensive player than Max
Streamers
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Streamers
09-10-20 11:42 AM - Post#313124    

  • palestra38 Said:
Just from the video, I can see he is a much much better offensive player than Max


Clearly this is true, my comment was more in anticipation of using him as a passer in the high post as they did with Max with the constant threat of pick and roll. Whether he can defend as well as Max is another matter. The rebounding should be there though.

Of course, this raises the question of whether they will feel comfortable putting him on the floor with MLL and Martz. Of course, this is a long way off, so I'm locked in on the NFL for the rest of the week.
TheLine
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09-10-20 05:33 PM - Post#313158    

I'm having a hard time seeing his game translate.

I admit I have become more jaded over the years.

He did make 3rd team All-Academic at Kankakee, so there's that.
https://www.newsbug.info/iroquois_countys_tim es-re...

Penndemonium
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09-10-20 06:03 PM - Post#313162    

It's hard to know for sure, but I think I see something here. While I think there are many aspects of his headlines that seem undifferentiated, the 10 rebs and 6 assists is what speaks the loudest to me. There's room on our teams for a physical forward who knows how to play the game and knows how to battle. We'll need a lot of toughness with some of the bigs coming into the league.
palestra38
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09-10-20 06:44 PM - Post#313165    

Watch those highlights again--watch him go both ways inside and lay it in from all angles. We have no one who can do that with AJ leaving. That's very very important for a team with no returning inside scoring
Quake Show
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09-10-20 09:40 PM - Post#313169    

I'm seeing on Twitter that Andrew Laczkowski had a serious looking knee surgery on August 19th.

https://twitter.com/HeadsUpSI/status/1296 095395525...

Not sure for what, or how serious the injury is, but this puts the recruitment of Moshkovitz in a whole new light.
TheLine
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09-11-20 08:07 AM - Post#313170    

After seeing the videos and having some idea of the level of competition, my take is similar to Mike Porter's.

I don't like these sorts of discussions so will bow out.

palestra38
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09-11-20 09:45 AM - Post#313175    

I hear you. I generally stay away from recruiting posts too. But this guy reminds me of Lefko, and we desperately need someone with that skill set.
TheLine
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09-11-20 10:08 AM - Post#313177    

Stylistically, very much so. And he's probably learned a few advanced techniques to bother opponents.

Mosh doesn't have Lefko's size or level of skill. Doesn't appear to have Lefko's motor, which was very high. And not the same athleticism either, which is even more important in the current Ivies. Lefko's athleticism was highly underrated.

Lefko was closer to AJ then Mosh is to Lefko. Lefko was a freaking talented player.
https://pennathletics.com/sports/2016/7/11/_131 485...

And now I'll try real hard to be done.

palestra38
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09-11-20 10:20 AM - Post#313179    

looks to me to be about the same size--maybe an inch shorter. But it's impossible to tell at this stage whether the kid can be a Lefko---but if he has skills to score inside against bigger or faster guys, we really can use him.
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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09-11-20 10:50 AM - Post#313180    

Not only that, Lefko went to the same high school as Art Monk.

Have a happy Friday, everyone.
penn nation
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09-11-20 11:04 AM - Post#313183    

  • T.P.F.K.A.D.W. Said:
Not only that, Lefko went to the same high school as Art Monk.

Have a happy Friday, everyone.



Art Monk went to White Plains High School. Lefko went to Edgemont (which my freshman year girlfriend at Penn also attended....she told me all kinds of stories about Lefko).
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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09-11-20 01:21 PM - Post#313193    

  • penn nation Said:

Art Monk went to White Plains High School. Lefko went to Edgemont (which my freshman year girlfriend at Penn also attended....she told me all kinds of stories about Lefko).



Ah, I stand corrected.
LyleGold
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09-11-20 04:27 PM - Post#313203    

  • penn nation Said:
Lefko went to Edgemont (which my freshman year girlfriend at Penn also attended....she told me all kinds of stories about Lefko).



Wait, you can't just leave that hanging. Do you remember any of them?
LyleGold
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09-11-20 04:36 PM - Post#313204    

  • palestra38 Said:
looks to me to be about the same size--maybe an inch shorter. But it's impossible to tell at this stage whether the kid can be a Lefko---but if he has skills to score inside against bigger or faster guys, we really can use him.



That's the big question. Nothing in the clips addresses it because the level of competition is pretty unimpressive. Mosh is older, bigger, and stronger than just about everyone else on the floor. Every time I saw him make a move around the basket, my reaction was either,"Where's the defense?" or "That gets rejected in DI."

I don't know where all this talk about Lefko's athleticism is coming from unless you consider a series of pump fakes followed by getting knocked to the floor as "athletic". He was a great Penn player with tremendous drive and determination, which enabled him to overcome a lack of athleticism and be effective against more skilled opponents.
Silver Maple
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09-12-20 10:41 AM - Post#313206    

Yeah. By D1 basketball standards, Lefko wasn't much of an athlete. What he had was relentless drive, excellent fundamentals, meanness and cunning. He made many highly-athletic opponents look like donkeys, which was fun to watch.

That said, I do agree with some of the comments I've read recently about AJ Brodeur's athleticism being somewhat underrated. He had a lot of the same qualities as Lefkowitz, but with more quickness and leaping ability.
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09-12-20 10:53 AM - Post#313207    

  • Silver Maple Said:
Yeah. By D1 basketball standards, Lefko wasn't much of an athlete. What he had was relentless drive, excellent fundamentals, meanness and cunning. He made many highly-athletic opponents look like donkeys, which was fun to watch.



We have had a number of similar over-achievers in the front court over the years, especially in the Dunphy era. Zoller and Grandieri come to mind immediately.
Silver Maple
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09-12-20 10:58 AM - Post#313208    

Unless you're Tommy Amaker and maybe James Jones, underrated overachievers have nearly always been the path to success for Ivy coaches. Thats why I'm (VERY) cautiously optimistic about this JUCO kid. He could be one of those. We'll see.
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09-13-20 08:43 AM - Post#313224    

OK, be cautiously optimistic if you want. However being an over-achiever is only a piece of the puzzle. Guys like Bruce and Darnell certainly had way more than their fair share of drive but they also had enough athletic ability to back it up.

Even if I concede your Amaker and Jones point, look at where Harvard and Yale finish in the standings year after year.

rbg
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09-29-20 05:14 PM - Post#314249    

Penn men's basketball newcomers adjust to virtual fall

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/09/penn- mens-ba...

- The brand new freshmen and transfers on the team are unable to live on-campus this fall, so they’ve been stuck playing basketball, training in the gym, and getting acclimated to their new team alone at home. Uncertainty remains over whether they’ll even be playing a season this year after the Ivy League canceled all athletics events until at least Jan. 1. Despite this, the team is still preparing as it would in a normal year, just under very different circumstances.

Many of the upperclassmen on the team already had off-campus housing set up for this year in Philadelphia, so they are able to meet up and work out together. Freshman guards Matteus Case and Clark Slajchert are back home in Toronto and Los Angeles, respectively, adjusting to a new team and to virtual college life. -

- Case’s situation is unique, as he was a late commit to Penn and never even visited campus. He had planned a visit for last spring, but it was canceled due to the pandemic. Getting to know all of his new coaches and teammates virtually has been a challenge, and he is itching to get on campus as soon as possible to meet everyone in person.

Weekly newcomer meetings held via Zoom have been helpful for Case and the rest of his class to get to know the coaches and each other better. During these meetings, the group doesn’t actually talk about basketball. The coaches use this time to check in on how the freshmen are doing mentally, how their classes are going, and how life is back home.

On the basketball side, however, learning a new system virtually has been especially challenging for the first-year players. The lack of an in-person, on-court component is something new for all the athletes on the team, but at least the upperclassmen are already familiar with how the Quakers run their offense and defense. -

- Out on the West Coast, Slajchert has been able to find a weight room to train in and a gym for on-court work. To learn Penn’s system, however, he has been forced to come up with new strategies.

“Penn is not an easy offense to learn,” Slajchert said. “We’re even watching film from [past] practices so I can kind of envision myself doing what I would be doing if I was actually there.” -
rbg
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03-17-21 04:15 PM - Post#322243    

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Mashburn, Jr., chose to join Minnesota and play for Pitino's son.

https://www.startribune.com/jamal-mashburn-jr-com m...


A day after Pitino was let go at Minnesota (and was hired by New Mexico), Jamal Mashburn, Jr. has left Minnesota.

https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1 372240501...

Jeff Borzello
@jeffborzello

Minnesota freshman Jamal Mashburn Jr. has entered the transfer portal, sources told ESPN. Former four-star recruit averaged 8.2 points this season.
1:36 PM · Mar 17, 2021



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