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Bison137
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07-20-17 05:20 PM - Post#231121    

Here is an early look at this PL season, starting with a review of where teams finished last year, followed by what they have returning in terms of minutes, points, rebounds, etc.

Last season, these were the PL records and overall Pomeroy rankings of each team:

Bucknell  . 15-3 . . . 76
Lehigh . . . 12-6 . . . 115
Boston U . 12-6 . . . 192
Navy . . . . 10-8 . . . 206
Holy Cross . 9-9 . . . 215
Loyola . . . 8-10 . . . 227
Colgate . . 8-10 . . . 268
Army . . . . 6-12 . . . 230
American . 5-13 . . . 307
Lafayette . 5-13 . . . 330


And here is what each team is returning from last year in terms of minutes, points, rebounds, assists, and steals - plus a weighted average (double weight for points, minutes, and rebounds, 1.5 weight for assists):


MINUTES
Colgate 93.0%
Bucknell 92.3%
Lafayette 82.8%
Loyola 81.8%
Navy 80.8%
Army 75.5%
Boston 70.2%
American 51.0%
Lehigh 47.9%
Holy Cross 40.7%

POINTS
Colgate 93.9%
Bucknell 92.9%
Navy 82.1%
Lafayette 79.7%
Army 79.5%
Loyola 76.4%
Boston 60.8%
American 58.2%
Lehigh 41.0%
Holy Cross 34.4%

REBOUNDS
Colgate 94.3%
Lafayette 91.4%
Bucknell 89.5%
Navy 79.2%
Loyola 76.9%
Army 67.2%
Boston 57.9%
American 46.6%
Holy Cross 36.8%
Lehigh 36.4%

ASSISTS
Bucknell 96.9%
Colgate 92.0%
Navy 86.8%
Army 86.5%
Loyola 84.2%
Boston 78.7%
Lafayette 68.3%
Lehigh 66.4%
Holy Cross 53.4%
American 50.4%

BLOCKS
Lafayette 98.6%
Bucknell 97.0%
Colgate 92.7%
Navy 68.2%
Loyola 67.4%
Army 65.6%
American 53.4%
Boston 46.4%
Holy Cross 39.5%
Lehigh 27.4%

STEALS
Colgate 93.9%
Bucknell 91.3%
Boston 84.5%
Lafayette 84.4%
Navy 81.5%
Loyola 80.4%
Army 80.3%
American 56.5%
Lehigh 50.2%
Holy Cross 39.7%

WEIGHTED
Colgate 93.4%
Bucknell 93.0%
Lafayette 83.5%
Navy 80.4%
Loyola 78.3%
Army 75.8%
Boston 66.0%
American 52.3%
Lehigh 45.0%
Holy Cross 40.3%


Note: Boston U gets back two solid reserves in SG Cheddi Mosely and forward Destin Barnes. Both were suspended for most of the season last year. Lehigh and American each pick up two transfers who are eligible this year.


Coming next - a compilation of players lost due to transfer or graduation.



Bison137
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07-20-17 05:49 PM - Post#231125    

Here are players lost to transfer since last season began:

AMERICAN
• Delante Jones 6-5 soph SF – to Seattle; was PL ROY in 2015-16; was worse as soph.
• Lonnie Rivera 6-6 soph PF – transferred to Wagner; started a number of PL games after Tolksdorf was hurt.
• Alex Paquin 6-0 jr CG – to McGill (Canada) as grad transfer.
• Andrija Matic 6-10 soph Center – going to Europe ; was a regular in rotation as a freshman, rarely played as soph.

ARMY
• None known at this point. But with 10 freshmen and 10 sophomores on the 2016-17 roster, some churn is inevitable.

BOSTON
• None known.

COLGATE
• Dave Krmpotich 6-7 soph PF – left team during season last year but appears to still be a Colgate student.

HOLY CROSS
• Tyrone Cohen 6-5 freshman wing - to Hutchison Community College; was expelled from HC after 1st semester.

LAFAYETTE
• Monty Boykins 6-5 senior wing - to Pitt for a redshirt senior year. Already graduated from LC but missed senior year due to shoulder injury.
• Dom Cristiano 6-8 PF/C (recruited walk-on) - to NYU.

LEHIGH
• Brandon Alston 6-5 junior wing - transferred to Georgia Tech with two years of eligibility left. Alston was LU’s 6th man for much of the season and then became a key starter for final ten games. Played 33 minutes in championship game.
• Matt Holba 6-7 redshirt soph SF/PF - to Indiana Fort Wayne. Was a starter until mid-January, and averaged about 20 mpg.

LOYOLA
• Dylan Gollihar 7-0 frosh center - to Lees-McRae. Gollihar was a project and missed the entire season due to injury.
• Austin Harriott 6-4 frosh wing - to Bloomsburg. Rarely played as a freshman.

NAVY
• James Butler 6-8 frosh PF - to Drexel. Butler left the Navy team when PL play started.



Paulie777
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07-20-17 09:10 PM - Post#231128    

First of all, thank you Bison137 for compiling and posting this. Its enriching to read and passes the summer faster too. Decidedly good news for Bucknell as their 15-3 team is returning a lot of the stuff that made them winners last year, but Lafayette may be groaning from the abundance of returning production of their 5-13 team! And other teams could be getting great talent in and Army is always a wildcard team. Thats how I see it. Bucknell is in the catbird seat. My question is even with a wider gap between the Bison and the others than last year, can they improve on 15-3 and 26-9? On paper and on court they are a great team, but how good? Nana could be downing the mac and cheese and getting distracted by video games and girls, Bruce Moore could be a book-reading nerd we just don't know. But how are they going to improve on the impressive W column from last year?
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07-21-17 06:09 PM - Post#231161    

Continuing, here are all of the players lost by team, starting with Army ("AR"). Players who transferred out are designated with a "TR".


- Brown, Richard AR 6-6 . 16 games, 4.3 mpg, 0.5 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 0.3 apg.
- Edwards, Kennedy AR 6-6 . 27 games, 14.8 mpg, 5.6 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 0.5 apg.
- Hoffman, Mac AR 6-8 . 32 games, 21.6 mpg, 6.2 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 0.8 apg.
- Mammel, Scott AR 5-11 . 32 games, 13.3 mpg, 3.7 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.8 apg.

- Andrija Matic AU (Tr) 17 games, 6.8 mpg, 1.3 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.2 apg.
- Jones, Delante AU 6-5 (Tr) 30 games, 31.6 mpg, 11.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.8 apg.
- Jones, Charlie AU 6-4 . 30 games, 33.5 mpg, 6.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 2.6 apg.
- Paquin, Alex AU 6-1 (Tr) 25 games, 10.6 mpg, 2.6 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.5 apg.
- Rhea, Jalen AU 6-2 24 games, 14.2 mpg, 4.0 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 0.2 apg.
- Rivera, Lonnie AU 6-6 (Tr) 21 games, 17.4 mpg, 5.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.5 apg.
- Tolksdorf, Leon AU 6-8 14 games, 18.3 mpg, 2.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.7 apg.

- Alston, Justin BOS 6-8 . 32 games, 23.9 mpg, 12.0 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 0.7 apg.
- Fanning, Eric BOS 6-5 . 32 games, 28.0 mpg, 14.9 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 2.1 apg.
- Haines, Dylan BOS 7-0 . 19 games, 6.7 mpg, 1.4 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.3 apg.
- Mbargorba, Blaise BOS 7-0 . 8 games, 9.6 mpg, 2.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.0 apg.

- Azzinaro, John Buck 5-11 . 31 games, 8.1 mpg, 3.0 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 0.2 apg.
- MacLeay, D.J. Buck 6-7 . 33 games, 8.7 mpg, 2.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.3 apg.

- Bargmann Andrew CU 6-3 . 22 games, 8.3 mpg, 1.7 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.5 apg.
- Harries Nathan CU 6-2 . 22 games, 19.0 mpg, 5.1 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.4 apg.
- Krmpotich Dave CU 6-7 (LT) 7 games, 4.9 mpg, 2.4 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.3 apg.

- Alexander, Malachi HC 6-7 . 32 games, 34.5 mpg, 13.3 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.9 apg.
- Champion, Robert HC 6-6 . 32 games, 31.9 mpg, 13.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.3 apg.
- Husek, Matt HC 6-11 . 32 games, 18.8 mpg, 6.7 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.8 apg.
- Thompson, Anthony HC 5-9 . 32 games, 33.3 mpg, 6.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.2 apg.

- Boykins, Monty LC 6-5 (Tr) 1 games, 25.0 mpg, 3.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.0 apg.
- Lindner, Nick LC 5-11 . 30 games, 33.3 mpg, 13.4 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.0 apg.

- Gorski, Nick LOY 6-9 . 19 games, 5.1 mpg, ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.0 apg.
- Harriott, Austin LOY 6-4 (Tr) 16 games, 5.9 mpg, 0.9 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg.
- Jones, Jarred LOY 6-6 . 32 games, 30.8 mpg, 14.9 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.8 apg.

- Alston, Brandon LU 6-5 (Tr) 32 games, 20.6 mpg, 6.7 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 1.2 apg.
- Carter, Devon LU 6-4 . 19 games, 5.1 mpg, 1.2 ppg, 0.2 rpg, 0.1 apg.
- Holba, Matt LU 6-7 (Tr) 31 games, 19.4 mpg, 3.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.0 apg.
- Kempton, Tim LU 6-10 . 32 games, 31.6 mpg, 20.4 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 1.1 apg.
- Price, Austin LU 6-4 . 32 games, 31.4 mpg, 13.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 1.7 apg.

- Abruzzo, Tim NA 6-5 . 24 games, 14.5 mpg, 4.8 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.6 apg.
- Alade, Edward NA 6-9 . 32 games, 16.7 mpg, 4.6 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.6 apg.
- Butler, James NA 6-7 (Tr) 4 games, 6.3 mpg, 1.3 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.3 apg.
- Fong, Zach NA 6-0 . 21 games, 7.9 mpg, 2.6 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.6 apg.
- Hemphill, James NA 6-7 . 19 games, 6.3 mpg, 1.9 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.2 apg.


Note that Boykins missed virtually the entire season due to a shoulder injury and Tolksdorf missed all PL games due to a knee injury. Also Harries missed about half the PL games due to injury. And Mbargorba was suspended for the majority of the season.



jkrun80
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07-23-17 04:40 PM - Post#231191    

Thanks for all the great info 137. It's way too early to speculate on final league standings - so I won't other than to say the Bison should dominate, barring major injuries.

Paulie, don't worry about Nana. He's been in the gym working on his game. It's scary to think how good he might be this season.
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08-31-17 05:40 PM - Post#232532    

More info. Here are all the players being added to rosters. I have included transfers who sat out last year and are now eligible to play, plus a couple of players who missed the entire year to injury. (Also listed in italics are the Army/Navy players who appear to be heading for a redshirt year at their prep schools, although it is sometimes hard to tell.)

Also every reported offer for each recruit is shown, taken largely from Verbal Commits but also from their twitter accounts. For some additional perspective, I have listed each player's commitment date. That is relevant because players who committed early likely would have received more and possibly better offers. Those who committed before July 1st (prior to Summer AAU) might be considered very early and probably would have received more/higher offers. Those who committed by the end of August are somewhat early and might well have improved the offer list. Those who committed later in the Fall and in the Spring often were not going to upgrade the offer list.

As a guess, I would say the team with the top quality freshmen is Boston U, followed by Bucknell and Lehigh. Tops in terms of quantity of legitimate prospects are Lehigh, Holy Cross, and American.

- - - - -

Legend:


Fr = normal incoming freshman.
RFr = Service Academy player who "redshirted" at their prep school last year.
Juco = junior college transfer who is eligible to play this year.
Tran = transfer who sat out last year.
INJ = player who did not play at all last year due to injury.
Prep = Service Academy player who is being "redshirted" at their prep school this year.

- - - - -

ARMY:
1 RFr - - Blackwell, Tucker (MAPS past yr) - 6-1 PG (IN) - IUPUI; committed 5/3/16
2 RFr - - Finke, Nick (MAPS past yr) - 6-7 PF (IL) - none; committed 11/7/15
3 RFr - - Fuller, Cameron (MAPS past yr) - 6-8 PF (CA) - none; committed 12/11/15
4 Fr - - - Grayson, Lonnie 6-2 SG (OH) - none; committed 11/19/2016
5 Fr - - - King, Alex 6-8 SF (IN) - Ball State, Lehigh, Evansville, Indiana State, Navy; committed 3/25/17
6 RFr - - Madden, Mark (MAPS past yr) - 6-4 wing (IN) - none; committed 8/4/15
7 Fr - - - Scully, John 6-2 PG (TX) - none; committed 7/26/16

Prep - Caldwell, Josh (MAPS this yr) - 6-1 PG (SC) - none; committed 7/25/2016
Prep - Duhart, Aaron (MAPS this yr) 5-11 PG (VA) - NJIT, UMBC; committed 11/1/2016
Prep - Helton, Josh (MAPS this yr) 6-9 PF/C (NC) - none; committed 9/22/16
Prep - Kinker, Ben (MAPS this yr) - 6-8 PF (IN) - none; committed 10/29/16
Prep - McGlothan, Gabe (MAPS this yr) 6-6 PF (AZ) - No. Colorado, MT State, E. Wash., Portland St., NDSU, (all 2015 offers), Cal Davis; committed 9/27/16

AMERICAN:
1 Fr - - - Beckton, Stacey 6-5 SG (FL) - Manhattan, JMU, UNF, Alcorn, Bethune (all old offers) - committed 4/21/17
2 Fr - - - Bragg, Marvin 6-7 wing (CA) - none; committed 11/10/2016
3 Juco - Diallo, Cheikh (juco transfer) - 6-3 SG (Senegal/Kilgore CC) - none; 6/17/17
4 Fr - - - Hoekstra, Max 6-7 SF (Netherlands/ss Feet Acad.) - none; 11/20/16
5 Fr - - - Iorio, Sam 6-6 SF (PA) - Boston, Lehigh, LC, Rider, Bing, UNH, Brown, MSM; committed 9/21/16
6 Fr - - - Lamont, Drew 6-8 PF (FL) - Jacksonville; committed 9/30/16
7 Fr - - - Little, Jesse 6-10 Center (MS) - none; committed 3/25/17

8 Tran - Motuzis, Laurynas (transfer, sat out past season) 6-6 SF (IL) - none; started for St. Xaver (NAIA) as a frosh



BOSTON:
1 Fr - - - Mathon, Sukhmail 6-10 Center (PA) - LaSalle, Bucknell, Penn, HC, Colgate, LC, Columbia, Brown, Canisius, Qpac; committed 8/8/16
2 Fr - - - McCoy, Javante 6-5 CG (TX/PG yr at Phillips Exeter) - Yale, Fordham, Northeastern, San Diego, San. Fran., Dartmouth, Cornell, Elon, Colgate, LC; committed 10/15/16
3 Fr - - - Whyte, Walter 6-6 SF (CT) - VCU, Richmond, Davidson, St. Joes, Bona, Fordham, Duq, Rice, W&M, Towson, Bowling Green, Hofstra, Siena, Niagara, Penn, Yale, Brown, Qpac, Monmouth, Lehigh, HC, etc; committed 10/5/16

BUCKNELL:
1 Fr - - - Meeks, John 6-6 SF - Bona, Delaware, Air Force, UNCG, Charleston So., Columbia, Brown, Dartmouth, Army, American; committed 9/19/16
2 Fr - - - Newman, Paul 6-9 Center - Towson, Brown; committed 4/12/17
3 Fr - - - Sotos, Jimmy 6-3 PG - Drake, UNI, IL State, Loyola (IL), W&M, W. Mich., Milwaukee, Priceton, Penn, Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, Army, LC, Northeastern, Wofford, Furman, Elon, Winthrop, Campbell; committed 10/3/16

COLGATE:
1 Fr - - - Baxter, Hugh 6-8 PF (Australia); committed in spring
2 Fr - - - Burns, Jordan 6-0 PG (TX/PG Kent School) - none ; committed 11/11/15
3 Fr - - - Ferguson, Jack 6-2 SG - none ; committed 4/11/2017
4 Fr - - - Maynard, David 6-4 wing (committed in 2015, did 2-yr Mormon mission) - none? ; committed 2/13/15

HOLY CROSS:
1 Fr - - - Butler, Austin 6-5 SG (PA) - UNH, Navy; committed 8/8/16
2 Fr - - - Copeland, Kyle 6-4 SG (VA/PhillipsExeter) - High Point, MSM, St Francis, American; committed 8/9/16
3 Fr - - - Faw, Matt 6-9 PF/C (PA) - American, Navy, LC ;committed 8/11/16
4 Fr - - - Grandison, Jacob 6-6 SF (CA/Phillips Exeter) - none; committed 3/10/17
5 Fr - - - Green, Caleb 5-11 PG (NH) - Fairfield, Stony Brook, Chattanooga, Loyola (MD), LC, Brown, UNH; committed 8/6/2016
6 Fr - - - Niego, Connor 6-8 PF -Winthrop, Evansville, Green Bay ; committed 8/9/16

LAFAYETTE:
1 Fr - - - Hastings, Dylan 6-9 Center (PA) - MSM; committed 8/27/16
2 Fr - - - Jaworski, Justin 6-1 CG (PA) - American; committed 3/30/17
3 Fr - - - Petrie, Alex 6-3 PG (VA) - Towson, Northeastern, Drexel, MSM, Radford, Cal Poly; committed 8/24/16
4 Fr - - - Stephens, Eylijah 6-4 wing (FL) - none; committed 2/20/17

LEHIGH:
1 Fr - - - Bennett, Caleb 6-5 wing (MO) - UTEP, UNI, Bufalo, ORU, San Jose, Middle TN; committed 9/6/16
2 Fr - - - Karnik, James 6-9 Center (CAN) - Cansius, No. AZ, Maine, Montana State, Jacksonville; committed 4/18/17
3 Juco - Porter, Ed (Juco transfer - 3 yrs of eligibility) 6-7 SF (FL) - ?; committed May 2017
4 Fr - - - Wilson, Marques 6-4 SG (OK) - Bucknell, Evansville, W. IL, UMKC, Brown, IA State (?) - from April of soph yr; committed 9/5/16

5 INJ - - Lieb, Jack 6-10 Center (2nd yr but hasn't played due to injury) - 6-10 Center (IL/PG yr in NH) - LC, Boston, App St, Niagara, Siena, IL St, Loyola (IL), SIUE
6 INJ - - Sedore, Caleb (3rd yr but hasn't played due to injury) - 6-11 Center (NY) - Bucknell, Cornell
7 Tran - Tejada, Lance (transfer, sat out past yr) 6-2 PG (FL) - Orig offers: FL State, Miami, Butler, Alabama, UVA, TX A&M, GMU, USF, etc - At E. Carolina, averaged 14 mpg and 4 ppg, shot 30%

LOYOLA:
1 Fr - - - Hart, Isaiah 5-10 PG (GA) - Coastal Carolina, W. Carolina, Alcorn; committed 3/28/17
2 Fr - - - Holcombe, Brent 6-7 PF (FL) - Charleston Southern, Winthrop, Youngstown, TN Tech; committed 4/18/17
3 Fr - - - Johnson, Luke 6-3 SG (KY) - none; committed 9/9/16
4 Fr - - - Reed, River 6-9 PF/C (TX) - Evansville, Rider, St. Francis, Dartmouth, North Texas, Houston Baptist; committed 10/19/16

NAVY:
1 Fr - - - Davis, Cameron 6-0 PG (MO) - Army; committed 9/12/16
2 RFr - - Lake, Eli (NAPS past yr) 6-6 SF (SC) - Coastal Carolina, USC Upstate; committed 10/28/15
3 RFr - - Lawrence, Jack (NAPS past yr) 6-9 Center (VA) - none ; committed 8/31/2015
4 Fr - - - Loehr, Alec 6-7 PF (MN) - Army; committed 10/22/16
5 Fr - - - Loehr, Luke 6-7 PF (MN) - Army; committed 10/22/16
6 Fr - - - Mathis, JR 6-0 PG (KY) - IUPUI; committed 10/24/16
7 RFr - - Ogele, Daniel (NAPS past yr) 6-6 SF (IL) - none; committed 2/11/16
8 RFr - - Reagan, Ryan (NAPS past yr) 6-8 PF (PA) - Air Force; committed 10/5/15
9 Fr - - - Riemersma, Tyler 6-7 PF (IN) - Army; committed 9/11/16

Prep - Carter, John ( MAPS this year) 6-5 SF (TN) - Campbell; committed 9/15/16
Prep - Marion, Kyle (MAPS this year) 6-1 PG (FL) - Towson, Army, Jacksonville; committed 12/16/16
Prep - Merete, Gabe (MAPS this year) 6-7 SF (FL) - Army; committed 10/3/16
Prep - Silva, Christian (MAPS this year) 6-2 PG (FL) - none; committed 4/14/17
Prep - Summers, Greg (MAPS this year) 6-2 PG (FL) - none; Spring 2017
Prep - Terrell, Jaylon (MAPS this year) 6-3 PG (GA) - none; committed 11/20/16



- - - - -

Fr = normal incoming freshman.
RFr = Service Academy player who "redshirted" at their prep school last year.
Juco = junior college transfer who is eligible to play this year.
Tran = transfer who sat out last year.
INJ = player who did not play at all last year due to injury.
Prep = Service Academy player who is being "redshirted" at their prep school this year.



SomedayCameSuddenly
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08-31-17 11:27 PM - Post#232536    

Not sure if you missed it or didn't list him because he verbally committed after the BU roster came out but Boston University has one more recent commitment, though not as highly touted for the 2017 class in Andrew Petcash.

Petcash, Andrew 6-4 CG (PA) - St. Francis (PA), Army, Navy; committed 8/28/17
Bison137
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08-31-17 11:35 PM - Post#232537    

  • SomedayCameSuddenly Said:
Not sure if you missed it or didn't list him because he verbally committed after the BU roster came out but Boston University has one more recent commitment, though not as highly touted for the 2017 class in Andrew Petcash.

Petcash, Andrew 6-4 CG (PA) - St. Francis (PA), Army, Navy; committed 8/28/17





Definitely didn't miss him - since I was the one who posted his commitment on your board. Just forgot to add him, as my spreadsheet was completed a week ago (although only posted today).

Any news on which Boston U scholarship player has left - or if that account in the Petcash article was incorrect?



Bison89
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09-01-17 05:51 AM - Post#232539    

137, that list must have taken hours and possibly days to compile. Thank you!

Just based on the number and quality of offers per player, there appears to be a big difference between BU/Bucknell/Lehigh and the rest of the PL.

With Bucknell not being an active player in the transfer/JUCO game, It is interesting to see where some players come from. Something tells me that there might be some stories behind these players.
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!

SomedayCameSuddenly
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09-01-17 12:02 PM - Post#232551    

  • Bison137 Said:
  • SomedayCameSuddenly Said:
Not sure if you missed it or didn't list him because he verbally committed after the BU roster came out but Boston University has one more recent commitment, though not as highly touted for the 2017 class in Andrew Petcash.

Petcash, Andrew 6-4 CG (PA) - St. Francis (PA), Army, Navy; committed 8/28/17





Definitely didn't miss him - since I was the one who posted his commitment on your board. Just forgot to add him, as my spreadsheet was completed a week ago (although only posted today).

Any news on which Boston U scholarship player has left - or if that account in the Petcash article was incorrect?



The belief on the BU board was the player is Blaise Mbargorba who was granted an extra year of eligibility due to his injury at SMU apparently. He had been hanging out with the Coach Jones and some other team members this summer in photos. This also makes sense as to why BU hadn't recruited a 13th player for a scholarship until late this summer.
MrPhillie
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09-06-17 11:59 AM - Post#232662    

How might this change in transfer status affect Bucknell? I think it is more fair for players but not sure how GPA angle will work given all of the suspected and known Tom-foolery with athletes courses and grades. And can coaches hold players "hostage" as some have done in the past?

https://twitter.com/aslater247/status/905 184638779...


Bison89
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09-06-17 01:15 PM - Post#232665    

I can't see the NCAA allowing all transfers to be immediately eligible to play. That would be CRAZY!

https://usc.247sports.com/Article/Sources-Major -Po...
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!

KenZ
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09-06-17 08:08 PM - Post#232685    

  • Bison89 Said:
I can't see the NCAA allowing all transfers to be immediately eligible to play. That would be CRAZY!

https://usc.247sports.com/Article/Sources-Major -Po...



i will not be surprised if this happens.
Bison137
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09-06-17 09:31 PM - Post#232686    

I won't be surprised if it happens - and I won't be at all surprised if it is CRAZY. On the one side, it might help a couple of the PL teams that are OK with bringing in transfers - Lehigh, American, Colgate, and maybe Boston U. But on the other hand, Lehigh and American have also had multiple players transfer out. That's good for a program if it's the underperformers who depart - but not good if it is rotation players.



KenZ
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09-07-17 03:16 PM - Post#232710    

article with a number of coaches registering their concerns with the proposal

http://scout.com/college/basketball/re cruiting/Art...


MrPhillie
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09-07-17 07:53 PM - Post#232718    

Excellent points by all. I think they leave it as it is but not allow coaches to hold players hostage if they wish to transfer and sit out a year.
BisonRoadWarrior
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09-07-17 09:38 PM - Post#232719    

  • KenZ Said:
article with a number of coaches registering their concerns with the proposal

http://scout.com/college/basketball/re cruiting/Art...



Wow, those quotes really get your attention. Very interesting. Thanks for posting that.
KenZ
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09-08-17 09:04 AM - Post#232724    

and, of course, Jay Bilas makes the case for immedate elegibility

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/story/...
MrPhillie
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09-08-17 10:09 PM - Post#232744    

Actually, the way he words it, he has valid points as well. The NCAA are hypocritical at several turns.
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09-11-17 11:06 AM - Post#232762    

Apparently, somebody is making a movie about HC's 1954 championship team called Purple Reign. The HC board is talking about it. Personally, I think that the trailer is very interesting. BTW, I never knew that HC is the smallest school to ever win a hoops championship.

http://crossports.freeforums.net/thread/1595/purpl...
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09-11-17 02:20 PM - Post#232770    

Just to clarify, holy cross won the NCAA championship in 1947. That was an eight team tournament, all played at MSG. Their 1954 title was in the NIT.

Hopefully the movie will point out that it took a Bucknell graduate (Doggie Julian) coaching them for them to win the 1947 title.



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09-18-17 08:37 AM - Post#232912    

Looks like practice can officially start on 09/29 which is 2 Fridays from now. Is the athletic department planning anything special to get the students pumped up for what should be an exciting season?
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09-27-17 07:11 PM - Post#233276    

  • SomedayCameSuddenly Said:
  • Bison137 Said:
  • SomedayCameSuddenly Said:
Not sure if you missed it or didn't list him because he verbally committed after the BU roster came out but Boston University has one more recent commitment, though not as highly touted for the 2017 class in Andrew Petcash.

Petcash, Andrew 6-4 CG (PA) - St. Francis (PA), Army, Navy; committed 8/28/17





Definitely didn't miss him - since I was the one who posted his commitment on your board. Just forgot to add him, as my spreadsheet was completed a week ago (although only posted today).

Any news on which Boston U scholarship player has left - or if that account in the Petcash article was incorrect?



The belief on the BU board was the player is Blaise Mbargorba who was granted an extra year of eligibility due to his injury at SMU apparently. He had been hanging out with the Coach Jones and some other team members this summer in photos. This also makes sense as to why BU hadn't recruited a 13th player for a scholarship until late this summer.




Following up on this, the player who left was not Mbargorba - which seemed a bit implausible. It was their starting PG, junior Kyle Foreman, who will remain in school but no longer play hoops. That means their starting PG will presumably be senior Eric Johnson, who has been the backup the last two years, averaging 15-20 mpg. Not as good as Foreman but not a big drop-off. The backup will either have to be frosh Javante McCoy, a 6-5 CG who may not be ready for that role, or else starting wing Cedric Hankerson, who is a 5th year senior. He has played that role occasionally in the past, but it would likely hamper his scoring.



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09-27-17 08:00 PM - Post#233279    

Laffayette gets a commitment from Sean Good who is rated as high as 3.5 stars. I am not sure of the accuracy of that however. He appears to have been recruited at a higher level early on but still a good recruit for the Leopards. 137 any more info ?
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09-27-17 09:53 PM - Post#233283    

  • bisonmania Said:
Laffayette gets a commitment from Sean Good who is rated as high as 3.5 stars. I am not sure of the accuracy of that however. He appears to have been recruited at a higher level early on but still a good recruit for the Leopards. 137 any more info ?





He likely is a solid PL recruit, but I don't think there is much chance of him being another Mike Muscala or Nana Foulland. I doubt he will end up as good as Jared Mintz, although only time will tell.

He got an offer from Penn State at the start of his sophomore year - likely based on him already being 6-10 - and then added ones from Rice, Davidson, Penn, Boston U, and Colgate in the spring of his soph year. Then no reported offers for 15 months - except from Columbia - as his game appeared to plateau and he apparently stopped growing. I think PSU and Davidson pulled their offers at some point, but I can't confirm that. Given his school's proximity to Lewisburg, I am sure Bucknell scouted him - but he did not have a Bison offer. His final four were Colgate, Lafayette, Columbia, and Rice.


Good plays for a relatively small Catholic school (Trinity) in Camp Hill. Their competition is reasonably good, but far from great. Good last year - as a 6-10 junior - only averaged 8.6 ppg, but he did get 10.1 rpg and 4.4 bpg. (For comparison, as a freshman two years earlier he averaged 7.7 ppg, 9.7 rpg, and 5.1 bpg.) Not surprisingly, he had a big height advantage over most of his competitors, but is very thin (maybe 205 pounds). He was surrounded by two all-state players, which likely affected the number of shots he took but also meant he got easier shots than if he were the main offensive weapon. In AAU ball, he played for a strong team (Team Final) that had two superstars (ended up at Duke and Oregon) and a number of solid mid-major players. Good averaged about 10 mpg for that team, based on their website box scores.

As for his 3.5 stars, which is a Verbal Commits average of 4 stars from ESPN and 3 stars from Rivals, you have to remember that those sites see very few of the players who aren't superstars. Good suddenly went from unranked to 4 stars from ESPN when he picked up the PSU offer at the start of his sophomore year. Likely the same with Rivals.



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09-28-17 01:01 PM - Post#233308    

Mid-Major Madness story on Holy Cross:

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/9/24/16354114...

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09-28-17 01:05 PM - Post#233309    

Poster on Holy Cross board explains Bucknell basketball success:
"Bucknell no hockey not fighting a two-front war. Basketball featured winter sport."

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09-28-17 01:50 PM - Post#233319    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Poster on Holy Cross board explains Bucknell basketball success:
"Bucknell no hockey not fighting a two-front war. Basketball featured winter sport."



Bad coaching, no Admin support, antiquated facilities, etc.
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11-12-17 10:10 AM - Post#235968    

Navy beat a very poor Pitt team, Loyola only lost by 4 points to #19 Northwestern.

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11-12-17 11:43 AM - Post#235979    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Navy beat a very poor Pitt team, Loyola only lost by 4 points to #19 Northwestern.


And Lafayette only lost by two to George Mason. Navy plays at Miami today.
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11-14-17 09:46 PM - Post#236339    

Monmouth up 12 over Lehigh with 5 to play. Lehigh's freshman center looks decent. They also have Pat Andre back. Still don't think they'll break the top 3 in the PL.
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11-14-17 10:16 PM - Post#236347    

Monmouth ended up winning 80-72 at Lehigh. Monmouth had 27 turnovers vs 9 for LU, but they outrebounded LU 53-24.

In other games, LC had a bad loss to a weak NJIT team, Loyola lost at Fairfield, and Army blew out the always tough John Jay College of Criminal Justice. Army used 20 players in that game.



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11-17-17 12:32 AM - Post#236757    

Very nice win for Holy Cross tonight: 73-69 over Harvard in Worcester. Colgate beat Cornell.
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11-17-17 12:39 AM - Post#236759    

Holy Cross has now beaten Harvard four straight years - all as an underdog - after a very long losing streak to them.



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11-17-17 10:12 PM - Post#236834    

Lafayette down 40 early in the 2nd at Villanova. Can they keep the margin under 50? Loyola gets spanked by Towson 95-72. Lehigh & Sienna down to the wire in OT.
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11-18-17 02:15 PM - Post#236859    

Lehigh ended up beating Siena 91-90 in OT. Siena was victimized by a fast clock at the end. Siena got the ball back with 3.34 seconds left, but buzzer went off within 3.1 seconds, before they could get a shot off. Looks like the clock may have started - incorrectly - when a missed FT hit the rim.



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11-25-17 04:09 PM - Post#237571    

Holy Cross stayed close to a good Albany team for much of the game but got blitzed down the stretch. Albany on fire from three. Final 78-62.

Colgate leads Columbia at home. They have been playing very well. And Lehigh is down by nine points at a weak Pitt team. I thought they had a reasonable shot to win that one.



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11-25-17 05:20 PM - Post#237579    

  • Bison137 Said:


Colgate leads Columbia at home. They have been playing very well. And Lehigh is down by nine points at a weak Pitt team. I thought they had a reasonable shot to win that one.




Lehigh lost to Pitt 80-68. It was 72-69 with just over 3 minutes left - but LU missed their last 8 shots. And Colgate beat Columbia at home 77-71.



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11-26-17 08:27 AM - Post#237905    

Navy was beaten badly by FGCU. Shot very poorly, including a lot of missed layups and 2-18 from 3.


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11-29-17 11:27 AM - Post#238290    

Loyola has lost two close road games that they would have won if healthy. They are missing All-PL PG Andre Walker, who went down with some sort of injury two games ago, and also missing Chancellor Barnard, who is out for the season with a torn pectoral muscle.

Here is how the OOC games have gone for the league, as compiled by SOV on the HC site:


The PL is currently 24-33 against non-conference opponents, and ranked #21 as a conference by Ken Pomeroy.

Tuesday's game:

Loyola 63, Dartmouth 64

American (2-3): L Kansas State, L West Virginia, L Wagner, W New Hampshire, W VMI

Army (3-2): L Hofstra, W John Jay, W Marist, W Columbia, L Niagara

Boston U (2-3): L Northeastern, L Albany, L Connecticut, W Maine, W Wheaton

Bucknell (3-4): L Monmouth, L Arkansas, L North Carolina, L Maryland, W Siena, W Ball State, W Stony Brook

Colgate (3-2): L Connecticut, W Cornell, W UMBC, L Boston College, W Columbia

Holy Cross (2-3): W Sacred Heart, W Harvard, L Rhode Island, L Fairleigh Dickinson, L Albany

Lafayette (0-5): L George Mason, L NJIT, L Villanova, L Princeton, L St. Peter's

Lehigh (3-3): W Marist, L Monmouth, W Siena, W Eastern, L USC, L Pittsburgh

Loyola (1-5): L Northwestern, L Fairfield, L Towson, W Goucher, L UMass Lowell, L Dartmouth

Navy (5-3): W Pittsburgh, L Miami (FL), L Pennsylvania, W Bryant, W Washington College, W St. Francis NY, L FGCU, W Denver

MAC: 1-0
Southern: 1-0
Summit: 1-0
America East: 4-3
Ivy League: 4-3
NEC: 3-2
MAAC: 4-5
ACC: 1-4
Big East: 0-1
Pac-12: 0-1
SEC: 0-1
American: 0-2
Atlantic Sun: 0-2
Atlantic 10: 0-2
Big Ten: 0-2
Big 12: 0-2
Colonial: 0-3

Non-D1: 5-0



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12-01-17 06:12 PM - Post#238714    

Was talking with a friend and he was telling me about a free score update/messaging app called Scorestream. If fans want to chat/message during games that looks like a possibility.
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12-01-17 11:29 PM - Post#238726    

  • MrPhillie Said:
Was talking with a friend and he was telling me about a free score update/messaging app called Scorestream. If fans want to chat/message during games that looks like a possibility.




I would be interested in trying that for some away games if there is enough interest.


Meanwhile, there were three PL games today:

1. HC was blown out by Manhattan in Northern Ireland.

2. Army, who was a slight favorite, beat UMBC at home by 11 points. Tommy Funk, Andrew's brother, led Army in scoring.

3. Navy, who was a slight favorite, beat Delaware at home by 6 points. Bryce Dulin had a career-high 30 points for the Mids, and Shawn Anderson had 20.



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12-02-17 12:59 PM - Post#238744    

Lehigh on ACC Net now (noon) vs UVA
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12-02-17 05:30 PM - Post#238759    

Colgate blew a late lead at Binghamton with a 4+ minute scoreless stretch. Now down 11 under a minute. Show has 19 points including an individual 7-0 run.
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12-03-17 09:46 PM - Post#238924    

Pomeroy's current projections of wins for the PL season:

Bucknell 14.1
Army 11.2
Colgate 10.3
Navy 10.0
Lehigh 9.9
Boston U 8.1
Loyola MD 6.9
Lafayette 6.6
American 6.5
Holy Cross 6.5


I would expect Army and maybe LC to end up with fewer wins. Also I expect Boston U, maybe American (assuming good health), and maybe HC to get more. As for Loyola, if they get healthy, I'd vote for more wins. But if Walker is out for the year, I'd expect less than 6.9.

Some might be surprised at the thought of American winning 7 or more games - especially given their current 2-5 record - but I think that record may be misleading, with several factors possibly making them better than was expected. First, their very good sophomore center Mark Gasperini has yet to play due to a concussion. Secondly, their transfer SF Larry Motuzis is averaging 17.9 ppg with a very good FG pct. Also their FOY candidate, SF Sam Iorio, has missed recent games due to illness. And juco transfer Cheikh Diallo has been giving them good minutes - perhaps more than was expected.



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12-06-17 10:04 PM - Post#239362    

The other 8 PL teams (besides BU & BU) are playing tonight. Navy is the only winner so far. Everyone else lost or is trailing.
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12-06-17 10:49 PM - Post#239404    

Colgate hit a 3/4 court length shot at the buzzer which would have beaten Marist; however, it came 0.1 or 0.2 seconds too late.
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12-07-17 12:55 AM - Post#239448    

  • BreakinBison Said:
Colgate hit a 3/4 court length shot at the buzzer which would have beaten Marist; however, it came 0.1 or 0.2 seconds too late.





On that play, Marist was inbounding with 0.6 seconds left. They threw a pass out just beyond halfcourt that was intercepted by Colgate guard Sean O'Brien. He put up a shot that hit nothing but net. But it's hard, in less than 0.6 seconds, to catch a pass coming at you from under the basket and then build up enough momentum to reach that basket from almost 50 feet away. The refs reviewed the video and decided the shot was released after the buzzer.

Video: https://twitter.com/ColgateMBB/status/938 599421306...



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12-09-17 04:37 PM - Post#239777    

Colgate staying close at Syracuse late.
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12-19-17 11:25 PM - Post#240622    

  • Bison137 Said:
Pomeroy's current projections of wins for the PL season:

Bucknell 14.1
Army 11.2
Colgate 10.3
Navy 10.0
Lehigh 9.9
Boston U 8.1
Loyola MD 6.9
Lafayette 6.6
American 6.5
Holy Cross 6.5


I would expect Army and maybe LC to end up with fewer wins. Also I expect Boston U, maybe American (assuming good health), and maybe HC to get more. As for Loyola, if they get healthy, I'd vote for more wins. But if Walker is out for the year, I'd expect less than 6.9.






Updated Pomeroy projections for PL wins:


bucknell . 14.0
army . . 11.7
navy . . 10.5
colgate . 10.3
lehigh . 10.0
boston . 7.9
lafayette 6.6
loyola . 6.5
holy cross 6.3
american 6.2


Army beat Air Force by 25 points Sunday to advance their stock. And Navy had an away win vs Columbia the same day. Holy Cross lost by 14 points tonight at home to a hot-shooting Iona team.

Btw, Andre Walker has returned from injury, so Loyola may be stronger than their record suggests. They are still missing Andrew Kostecka - not sure of his injury - and they lost Chancellor Barnard for the year.



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12-21-17 09:14 AM - Post#240888    

Bonnies wiped Northeastern
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12-21-17 12:38 PM - Post#240941    

Wiped or Whipped?
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12-21-17 01:04 PM - Post#240947    

Wiped...equivalent to "schooled" or in the immortal words of one Kevin Pollins...long ago of Dewitt Clinton H.S. in the Bronx. the Bonnies "served them...served them all"
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12-21-17 06:07 PM - Post#240985    

With Thomas averaging almost 23 points per game (22.9), I was wondering when the last time was that a Bison came out of the OOC portion of the schedule averaging 20+ points per game? I cannot remember anybody in recent memory.
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12-21-17 06:32 PM - Post#240987    

  • Bison89 Said:
With Thomas averaging almost 23 points per game (22.9), I was wondering when the last time was that a Bison came out of the OOC portion of the schedule averaging 20+ points per game? I cannot remember anybody in recent memory.





I imagine it's Chris Simpson in 1993-94. He averaged 20.5 ppg for the entire season on a very high-scoring team. That team, for example, had six games with 98+ points. If it wasn't Simpson, then the next possible candidate would be Patrick King, who averaged over 20 ppg his senior year. Muscala, btw, didn't come close to a 20 ppg average in OOC play.


Here's one item of trivia: The last PL player to average 22 or more ppg for a full season was Brett Eppenheimer (Lehigh) in 1997-98. It was never done by McCollum, Muscala, Kempton, Sprink, etc. I doubt Zach can sustain that pace either - especially if they get some blow-out PL games where he plays limited minutes.



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12-21-17 10:01 PM - Post#240997    

Loyola gets a much needed win over Drexel. Navy, Boston, Lehigh, & American all lose.
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12-21-17 10:38 PM - Post#240999    

Loyola is finally getting healthier. Walker is back and now Kostecka has returned as well. Cam Gregory had 16 rebounds tonight - averaging about 10 rpg for the year. Despite their record, I think Loyola will be very competitive in most league games.



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12-22-17 05:32 PM - Post#241048    

This is a stunner. Wofford did what the Bison couldn't.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ne ws/...

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12-28-17 09:03 PM - Post#241488    

As we head into league season, here is a highlight package of one of the most remarkable PL games of all time - Army coming from 25 points back in the final 12 minutes to win at Navy in the star game. Andrew Funk's brother was in for most of it.

https://twitter.com/GoArmyWestPoint/statu s/9464406...



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12-29-17 10:31 PM - Post#241603    

Boston wins handily over Army at home.
Lehigh struggled at Lafayette, but pulled out a 5 point win.
Colgate pulled away in the 2nd half to win at Holy Cross.
Loyola upset Navy by 9 at home.
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01-05-18 09:47 PM - Post#242218    

Lafayette upsets Colgate in Hamilton. Loyola leading Boston at home.
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01-05-18 10:03 PM - Post#242221    

Loyola hangs on to win. Bison are tied for 1st again. Seven teams tied at 2-1.
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01-05-18 11:40 PM - Post#242235    

Holy Cross led 19-3 at Lehigh before losing, falling to 0-3, 3-11.

In a familiar theme, according to more than one logic-challenged poster at Crossports, the Crusaders' poor performance in the Patriot League springs from the fact that the Crusaders are in the Patriot League.

Declared one of them: "The Patriot League is holding this team back."

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01-06-18 12:26 AM - Post#242240    

Yes, the illogic continues to rise to new levels.

Having said that, there are a lot of HC posters who recognize that the PL is not responsible for their nine years of mediocre (or worse) W-L records.



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01-06-18 12:41 AM - Post#242241    

Lehigh's 6-7 PF Ed Porter is reportedly academically ineligible for the upcoming semester. That effectively leaves LU with only eight players - unless one of their two injured centers miraculously becomes a contributor. Worse, they now only have one interior player - freshman center James Karnik, who has been quite good so far.

Porter was a juco transfer, and it appears Lehigh was afraid they would take some flak for bringing in a recruit from a junior college. When he signed, their press release noted his HS GPA and his Juco GPA - both of which mean nothing without a lot of context. "Porter is a junior college transfer, who just graduated from Florida Southwestern State College. Strong in the classroom, Porter posted a 3.8 GPA this past year and was a strong student coming out of high school (4.1 GPA)."




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01-08-18 12:03 AM - Post#242632    

Navy at Colgate tips at 5. I guess they didn’t want to compete with the college football championship?
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01-08-18 12:16 AM - Post#242633    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Navy at Colgate tips at 5. I guess they didn’t want to compete with the college football championship?





I assume you're being a bit facetious since the crowd is likely to be near zero no matter when the game starts and whether it is up against the football championship game or a local curling match. One possible explanation is that Navy starts classes the next morning and they wanted to get back at a halfway reasonable hour. It is a 6-hour bus ride - assuming they don't have some way to take a flight home. Army and Navy, btw, start second semester classes significantly earlier than the eight other PL schools.



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01-08-18 12:10 PM - Post#242685    

Also, they are calling for an ice storm that will leave a coating ice on roads in NJ starting sometime this afternoon. The Midshipmen probably want to leave ASAP.

BTW, if they never played this game, would anybody know?
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01-11-18 03:29 PM - Post#243029    

Lafayette led Army 45-26 early in the second half - at West Point. From that point on, they were outscored 55-26, losing by ten. The difference in the game was turnovers: Lafayette had 18, Army had 6.



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01-17-18 10:24 PM - Post#243880    

Games tonight:

American 69 Boston U 58 @ Boston
Holy Cross 70 Army 66 @ HC
Navy 75 Lafayette 72 @LC
Colgate 76 Lehigh 72

- Colgate led LU 50-22 late in the first half; outscored 50-26 the rest of the way, but held on.

- Sam Iorio, AU's talented freshman forward, had 26 points. Boston had a 34-25 rebounding edge, but AU countered by having 12 turnovers to 21 for Boston.



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01-17-18 10:27 PM - Post#243881    

Current Standings:

Bucknell 6-1
Boston 5-2
Army 4-3
Colgate 4-3
Navy 4-3
Lehigh 3-4
Loyola 3-4
American 2-5
Holy Cross 2-5
Lafayette 2-5



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01-17-18 10:28 PM - Post#243882    

Woo hoo! back into 1st place. That Boston score is a shocker. I expected the other three games to be close.
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01-20-18 05:13 PM - Post#244214    

No churn at the top today, as Boston University, Army and Colgate all won.
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01-20-18 09:19 PM - Post#244259    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
No churn at the top today, as Boston University, Army and Colgate all won.



One bit of churn. Navy was tied for 3rd with Colgate and Army. Not only did they lose to Boston, but they did it at home. Unless Boston loses to LC on Wednesday while the Bison win at Navy, the Bison game next Saturday at Boston will be very big, possibly for tournament home court advantage.



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01-20-18 09:31 PM - Post#244262    

I’m a bit nervous for the game at Navy.
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01-20-18 10:25 PM - Post#244272    

  • MrPhillie Said:
I’m a bit nervous for the game at Navy.




I am also. Navy has underachieved somewhat in league play, but they have a very experienced team that was generally picked for 2nd or 3rd in various rankings. Note that I was wrong in my post above, however. They actually were one game out of 3rd entering today.

Hopefully the government shut-down won't affect Navy's athletic program, as it has that of Air Force, who cancelled multiple games today. I would hate to have to make up a cancelled Navy game by cramming it into the schedule later in the year.



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01-20-18 11:00 PM - Post#244278    

  • Bison137 Said:
  • MrPhillie Said:
I’m a bit nervous for the game at Navy.




I am also. Navy has underachieved somewhat in league play, but they have a very experienced team that was generally picked for 2nd or 3rd in various rankings. Note that I was wrong in my post above, however. They actually were one game out of 3rd entering today.






I take back my correction. I was right the first time about Navy's spot in the standings. The PL website is wrong, claiming incorrectly that Navy has five league losses. They will probably figure it out eventually.



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01-20-18 11:04 PM - Post#244280    

  • Bison137 Said:
Unless Boston loses to LC on Wednesday while the Bison win at Navy, the Bison game next Saturday at Boston will be very big, possibly for tournament home court advantage.

*Sunday, noon tip

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01-20-18 11:08 PM - Post#244283    

The Navy announcers made it sound like Tom Lacey was playing at less than 100%, Wieck also seems to have a lingering shoulder injury but seemed fine.
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01-20-18 11:17 PM - Post#244286    

  • SomedayCameSuddenly Said:
The Navy announcers made it sound like Tom Lacey was playing at less than 100%, Wieck also seems to have a lingering shoulder injury but seemed fine.




Lacey sprained his ankle near the end of their last OOC game December 21st. He then missed their first league game but returned, albeit for limited minutes, the next game. However, he is averaging 33 mpg the last two weeks, so I doubt he is much less than 100%, although it may still be bothering him somewhat. Of course at this time of the year, a lot of players are performing with nagging injuries.



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01-22-18 12:03 PM - Post#244369    

A battle for the basement tonight at 7ET on CBS Sports:
Holy Cross (2-6) at American (2-6)
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01-22-18 12:52 PM - Post#244376    

I did not get a chance to watch the HC at Bucknell game yet, but from the highlights, it looked like HC was no match for the Bison. So, my pick is probably American for tonight's game.
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!

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01-22-18 08:48 PM - Post#244423    

HC trails AU 25-23 at the half. Ugly game. A lot of passing around the perimeter with nothing accomplished.



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01-23-18 11:05 AM - Post#244450    

HC came back to beat American 60-57. That is exactly why I do not bet on sports.
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01-24-18 10:47 PM - Post#244580    

There were some interesting games tonight:

1. Loyola beat Lehigh in two OT's after trailing by 11 points with 4:30 left. There's always a chance when Brett Reed is coaching. Actual crowd in Bethlehem appeared to be on the low side of 300.

2. Lafayette lost to Boston by 3 points, as Petrie missed a three at the buzzer. The scoring patterns were interesting:

- LC broke out to a 26-10 lead through the first 12 minutes.
- Boston finished the half on a 20-8 run.
- LC extended the lead to 8 points early in the secon half, but then were outscored 37-14 to fall behind 71-56 with exactly 1:00 left.
- LC then outscored Boston 16-4 over the last minute to draw within 3 points, but couldn't hit a shot at the end to tie it.

3. Colgate upset Army on the road 81-78. Stats were even with the exception of CU having a 12-rebound advantage. Going into the game, the two teams were very even in that category - so that shouldn't happen. Colgate, who is 6-3 in PL play, is now in 3rd place one game ahead of Army.



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01-25-18 09:16 AM - Post#244604    

How in the world did LC manage to score 12 points in under a minute and still have the ball and time for a last three? Hard to even comprehend how It was manifest
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01-25-18 09:35 AM - Post#244607    

137 - Disregard I read the ESPN game thread. The most amazing part of the answer to my question is that BU made 4-7 FT’s in the last 1:00...meaning LU scored 17 points in 1:00. Wouldn’t want to play LC in 3 years
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01-25-18 09:39 AM - Post#244609    

Just noticed Hankerson didn’t play for BU...???
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01-25-18 10:16 AM - Post#244611    

Saw a replay and "ugly" nets it out. Recruiting videos will be tough to develop this year for both teams.
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01-25-18 10:17 AM - Post#244612    

  • Old Bison Said:
Just noticed Hankerson didn’t play for BU...???





He tweaked a hamstring early in their previous game vs Navy. It didn't sound real serious so he may be back for the Sunday game vs the Bison.




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01-25-18 10:18 AM - Post#244613    

137-interesting you mentioned Reed since during game I was having dinner with 2 Leigh alums. They both are concerned that he has put in his time at the University and will be looking at a bigger job after this season. Neither has strong connections so just conversation.
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01-25-18 10:29 AM - Post#244615    

  • HoleinOne Said:
137-interesting you mentioned Reed since during game I was having dinner with 2 Leigh alums. They both are concerned that he has put in his time at the University and will be looking at a bigger job after this season. Neither has strong connections so just conversation.



He hasn't had enough success for any of the bigger programs to look at him. He missed his window of opportunity after the Duke win
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01-25-18 11:58 AM - Post#244629    

137 - Thank You
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01-25-18 11:59 AM - Post#244630    

  • JDBison2010 Said:
  • HoleinOne Said:
137-interesting you mentioned Reed since during game I was having dinner with 2 Leigh alums. They both are concerned that he has put in his time at the University and will be looking at a bigger job after this season. Neither has strong connections so just conversation.



He hasn't had enough success for any of the bigger programs to look at him. He missed his window of opportunity after the Duke win




Agree. He is a great recruiter but a poor coach. Has done less with more almost every year.



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01-25-18 12:26 PM - Post#244641    

  • HoleinOne Said:
Neither has strong connections so just conversation.



When you find a Lehigh alum with strong connections to the men's basketball program, please let us know.


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01-27-18 10:20 PM - Post#244907    

Lehigh lost again at home, this time to Navy 77-75. Lehigh had a 3 point lead with a minute to play, but gave up two layups to Shawn Anderson and couldn't hit a shot. They made a couple of comebacks after Navy went up 9 two separate times, but couldn't close. They're now tied with Lafayette for 8th, one game out of the cellar.

They have to travel to Holy Cross for a game on Monday. HC beat Lafayette handily today.
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01-29-18 12:45 PM - Post#245075    

The Bison are finally back in the Top 100 RPI at #85 which is up 25 spots: http://realtimerpi.com/college_Men_basketbal l_rpi2...

Also, Kenpom.com, which is a much better indication of how good the team is, has the Bison at #104. I have always considered being in the Top 100 to be where a quality mid major should try to be.
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!

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01-29-18 01:17 PM - Post#245077    

In the “way too early” brackets, ESPN has Bucknell a 14 in the East playing Ohio State in Wichita. Others have the Bison either a 14 or 15. First, I just want Bucknell to make the Dance, but a 14 seems right...and a small chance for 13.
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01-29-18 03:32 PM - Post#245090    

No PL Tourney, no Big Dance shirtie
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01-29-18 03:38 PM - Post#245091    

  • Old Bison Said:
No PL Tourney, no Big Dance shirtie



That is VERY true!
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01-29-18 04:17 PM - Post#245100    

Brown got stiffed. Andre Walker is POW, and Brown got an Honorable Mention:

http://patriotleague.org/news/2018/1/29/patrio t-le...
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01-29-18 10:26 PM - Post#245119    

In front of a sparse Hart Center crowd tonight, Lehigh beat HC 71-67, although they tried their best to maintain tradition by blowing the lead. LU led by 15 points with 5 minutes left. Then after a few minutes of LU incompetence, HC had an open shot from behind the arc to take the lead with under 20 seconds left. Then with a 4-point lead and 6.5 seconds left, LU inexplicably fouled Grandison shooting a three! Does Brett Reed coach stupid basketball or is there something in the Bethlehem water?

Jehyve Floyd continued his run of dominant play, shooting 7-7 with 9 boards and 6 blocks. I think he may have played his way as high as 2nd team All-PL, with an outside shot to move higher if he continues this level of play. I believe he has now hit 16 consecutive shots, at least half of them dunks.



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01-29-18 10:37 PM - Post#245121    

I turned it off with 8 to play. Guess I should have kept watching. Was surprised when I checked later that the lead was down to 2. At least Lehigh is consistent.
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01-29-18 10:55 PM - Post#245123    

  • jkrun80 Said:
I turned it off with 8 to play. Guess I should have kept watching. Was surprised when I checked later that the lead was down to 2. At least Lehigh is consistent.





With 8 minutes left, LU would have to be leading by more than 30 for the game to be clinched.



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01-30-18 07:30 PM - Post#245186    

  • Bison137 Said:

With 8 minutes left, LU would have to be leading by more than 30 for the game to be clinched.


Ironically, this happened 3 years and a day ago.
http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSI...

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01-30-18 08:22 PM - Post#245191    

That was a great comeback. Kaspar had a great second half, once he was allowed to play.

Last year, you may recall, the Bison had a similar run vs Lehigh in Sojka but couldn't finish. They trailed by 18 points in the second half, then fought back to tie it about four or five times. Had a 26-8 run in the middle of the second half but lost it over the final few minutes.



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01-30-18 11:23 PM - Post#245204    

Let Kaspar be Kaspar! We learned too late.
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01-31-18 02:26 PM - Post#245246    

Watching the highlights of that game, I was struck by the difference between Zach's freshman body and his senior body. There is hope for Paul Newman.

My wife was commenting during the Boston game about how ripped our players look compared to opposing players.
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01-31-18 03:32 PM - Post#245258    

  • HuskyColonial Said:
Let Kaspar be Kaspar! We learned too late.



Interesting to wonder how certain players would have faired under certain coaches. Kaspar would have been amazing in the system ND is running, for example.
Ray Bucknell!

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01-31-18 05:22 PM - Post#245271    

Yes...I wish Steven was allowed to play his game. I mean, if the coach didn’t want him playing hat way, why recruit him?
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02-01-18 02:26 PM - Post#245391    

  • jkrun80 Said:

My wife was commenting during the Boston game about how ripped our players look compared to opposing players.



I bet that she did!!!
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02-01-18 05:07 PM - Post#245414    

  • Bison89 Said:
  • jkrun80 Said:

My wife was commenting during the Boston game about how ripped our players look compared to opposing players.



I bet that she did!!!


I was wondering if I should be worried, but she's got a few decades on them. She also made a similar comment about our women's team. Well, maybe I should be worried.
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02-01-18 05:45 PM - Post#245423    

  • jkrun80 Said:
  • Bison89 Said:
  • jkrun80 Said:

My wife was commenting during the Boston game about how ripped our players look compared to opposing players.



I bet that she did!!!


I was wondering if I should be worried, but she's got a few decades on them. She also made a similar comment about our women's team. Well, maybe I should be worried.



Here's To You Mrs. Robinson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDlAMjM-77Y
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!

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02-01-18 06:35 PM - Post#245434    

  • jkrun80 Said:
  • Bison89 Said:
  • jkrun80 Said:

My wife was commenting during the Boston game about how ripped our players look compared to opposing players.



I bet that she did!!!


I was wondering if I should be worried, but she's got a few decades on them. She also made a similar comment about our women's team. Well, maybe I should be worried.



One man’s worry is another man’s eternal optimism.
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02-01-18 08:07 PM - Post#245438    

  • Bison89 Said:

Here's To You Mrs. Robinson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDlAMjM-77Y





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02-03-18 05:13 PM - Post#245854    

Lehigh beats Boston at home 80-75. In usual Lehigh fashion they tried to give the game away late. With a 3 point lead, 10 seconds left, and the ball, Boston stole the inbounds pass and found Scanlon wide open for 3. The ball went halfway in and popped out and Lehigh got the rebound.
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02-03-18 05:16 PM - Post#245855    

Lehigh beat BU (Boston University) 80-75 in Bethlehem. Mountain Hawks let a 9-point halftime lead turn into a deficit of, I think, 8 points but rallied to polish them off. Career-high 23 for Lehigh's Caleb Bennett.
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02-04-18 10:54 AM - Post#246021    

It is really feeling like after Bucknell there is little difference between 2nd and 10th place. I think Bucknell could just as easily lose in the quarterfinals as in the finals if they have a bad game and/or catch a hot shooting opponent.
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02-04-18 12:35 PM - Post#246038    

Third-place Colgate at fourth-place Navy tips at noon on CBS Sports.
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02-04-18 01:29 PM - Post#246052    

  • BUFan Said:
It is really feeling like after Bucknell there is little difference between 2nd and 10th place. I think Bucknell could just as easily lose in the quarterfinals as in the finals if they have a bad game and/or catch a hot shooting opponent.


I think Boston is clearly the next best team if they get Hankerson back. Army and Lafayette are dangerous because of their 3 point shooting. Our strength in PL play has been defense. That will keep us in any game. Remember, Lafayette put 93 up on Colgate on Wednesday and we held them to 59.
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02-07-18 09:38 PM - Post#246847    

Wow, Army getting crushed by Lafayette 71-41.
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02-07-18 09:49 PM - Post#246854    

Colgate with a 10-point lead over Boston U in the final minute. Colgate will move into undisputed possession of 2nd place. If they were to beat the Bison next Monday, the race would become very tight - especially since Colgate would likely hold the tiebreaker at that point.



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02-07-18 09:58 PM - Post#246855    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Wow, Army getting crushed by Lafayette 71-41.





Army 6-28 on threes. Those sort of nights happen . . . But Army was also outrebounded by a huge margin by LC. They only got 6 out of 39 available offensive rebounds. Even with LC having the best defensive rebounding team they've put on the floor during the entire O'Hanlon era, there is no excuse for that sort of performance by Army.



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02-10-18 02:04 PM - Post#247236    

Excellent three-day weekend of Patriot League hoops. Gotta love today's tightly staggered start times, which sets viewers up to catch three endings in quick succession.

Saturday
Holy Cross at Boston Univ. 1pm
Navy at Army 1:30pm on CBS Sports
Lehigh at American 2pm

Sunday
Loyola at Lafayette Noon CBS Sports

Monday
Colgate at Bucknell 7pm CBS Sports
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02-10-18 03:23 PM - Post#247248    

Under the cloud of suspensions, Holy Cross bouncing back from worst ever loss at home to lead 3rd place BU (Boston University) by 8 on the road in the second half.

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02-10-18 04:08 PM - Post#247253    

Stadium seems to have screwed up their website once again. I can't get to any of the games.
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02-10-18 04:20 PM - Post#247257    

Now it's back. Bucknell women lead by 28 at the end of 3Q at Colgate. Colgate has scored only 4, 8, & 11 in the first 3 quarters. Bucknell scored only 5 in the 1st, but has 46 in the 2nd & 3rd.
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02-10-18 05:32 PM - Post#247283    

3 men's HC over Boston 73-62, Navy over Army 68-59, and (!) Lehigh over American 80-78 in OT.

Women Navy 55 Army 46, Boston 65 HC 58 Bucknell 63-42 over Colgate ; Lafayette 73, Loyola 64

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02-10-18 07:17 PM - Post#247369    

The end of the Lehigh-American game was wild. Down 1 with 45 seconds to play, American drove in for a layup and got blocked. Brennan flipped out at the no-call and get's a T. Lehigh puts Pat Andre (an 87% FT shooter) on the line and he misses the first, makes the second. Lehigh inbounds to Kahron Ross who runs the shot clock down before driving in and misses the layup. Nelson brings the ball up with 15 seconds left and while looking over at the bench, get's the ball stolen. Instead of dribbling out the clock and waiting to get fouled, Lehigh goes for a fast break layup and misses with 5-6 seconds still left. American pushes up court, passes up two open threes to pass the ball inside, but time expires before they get a shot up. Just an incredible comedy of errors.
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02-11-18 05:36 PM - Post#247470    

Lafayette blew out Loyola today 84-67, outscoring them 26-14 over the last 9 minutes. LC was 19-31 on twos and 10-30 on threes. But the biggest factor was LC outrebounding Loyola 39-22. LC has one of the best rebounding teams they have had over O'Hanlon's 23 years, but there is no excuse for Loyola getting outrebounded that badly. With the win, LC moves into a tie for 6th in the PL.

Current standings:

Bucknell 11-2
Colgate . 9-4
Boston U 8-6
Navy . . 8-6
Lehigh . 7-7
Holy Cross 6-8
Lafayette 6-8
Army . . 6-8
Loyola . 6-8
American 2-12

Assuming the Bison hold onto the 1 seed, I don't like seeing LU in 5th, where they've landed after a 4-game winning streak. Otoh, Boston U is in the midst of a mini-collapse - partly due to injuries. Hankerson missed five games before returning Saturday, but Walter Whyte has missed the last couple.



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02-11-18 07:02 PM - Post#247473    

Lehigh plays @Colgate, Army, @Loyola, and Lafayette to close the season. None of those are givens and Colgate and Lafayette could give them a lot of trouble. With seven teams within two games of each other there's still a lot of opportunity for movement. Their four wins have all been close (two in OT) as were the prior two losses. There's no telling with their team which version will show up.
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02-14-18 11:38 PM - Post#247901    

In their win at Army, Holy Cross got 60 of their 70 points from freshmen.

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02-15-18 01:45 AM - Post#247903    

Patriot League Down the Stretch

1. BUCKNELL (13-2) @Holy Cross, Navy, @American
2. COLGATE (9-6) @Loyola, Army, Holy Cross
3. NAVY (9-6) @Boston, @Bucknell, Loyola
4. BOSTON U (8-7) Navy, Lafayette, @Army
5. LEHIGH (8-7) Army, @Loyola, Lafayette
6. HOLY CROSS (7-8) Bucknell, American, @Colgate
7. ARMY (6-9) @Lehigh, @Colgate, Boston
7. LAFAYETTE (6-9) American, @Boston, @Lehigh
7. LOYOLA (6-9) Colgate, Lehigh, @Navy
10. AMERICAN (3-12) @Lafayette, @Holy Cross, Bucknell

I think I have the tiebreakers through 5th correct. Colgate swept Navy; Lehigh and Boston University split against each other and against Bucknell and against Colgate, but Boston University has a win against Navy and Lehigh was swept by Navy.
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02-17-18 08:16 PM - Post#248316    

Navy is currently playing at Lehigh in front of a crowd that is no more than 100 persons. They likely would have drawn 350 if it weren't for the snow.



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02-17-18 09:51 PM - Post#248394    

Lehigh sure is playing great right now. I just hope they are peaking too soon and Bucknell pulls it together and peaks at the right time.

Gotta hope Colgate loses tomorrow. Gate has an easy final 3, but if they could lose one, it would open the door for Lehigh to take the 3 over Gate. In a head to head tiebreaker with Colgate, Lehigh would win. If it is a 3 way tie adding in Navy it would be a different story.


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02-17-18 11:07 PM - Post#248419    

Pathetically HC87 (IndianHoop) has launched another multi-post diatribe about how the PL is dragging down HC and how they could quickly get into the Big East.
"We could be in the Big East tomorrow", says he.

I imagine he also believes in Big Foot, unicorns, and that the sun goes around the earth. Sad.



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02-17-18 11:37 PM - Post#248424    

Poor guy is on the struggle bus.
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02-17-18 11:42 PM - Post#248425    

To interject a phrase popular on the HC board, "sad, so sad."
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02-17-18 11:52 PM - Post#248427    

For the sake of accuracy Lehigh beat a very down Army team tonight. Just over 1,000 patrons were financially in attendance, most posing as empty seats. In fairness to the missing, travel was beyond treacherous. My usual 50 minute travel from work to Stabler took just over 2 hours due to closed roads and accidents. I did see the second half. Lehigh was pretty good but Army just looked sad.
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02-18-18 08:41 AM - Post#248443    

Delusional is the only word to describe any thought of HC to the Big East. If the Big East were looking to expand, I would put Holy Cross at around 150 on their priority list of teams to recuruit.

HC has been a mediocre at best team in around the 25th ranked conference in the nation. They have an arena way too small for the Big East (sure, they could play in a 1/10 full DCU Center, but that wouldn’t look to good). Why on earth would the Big East want them (and I would also ask why would HC want the Big East)?

Seriously, I can’t imagine the rationale that would make someone believe the BE would want HC? Is it because of the large number of Catholic schools in the BE? By that logic, I guess mighty Saint Francis PA should also be getting ready to add the BE logo to their court? Or is the logic that HC was a basketball power almost a century ago so the BE wants that “tradition”? By that logic, I think the first Orange Bowl winner should be expecting to contend with Alabama in the college football playoff next year

Holy Cross is a great academic institution and they are in a good league with other schools who equally value academics. If they desperately want out of the PL for some reason, they can enjoy playing in the MAAC or NEC where they will be competing against schools with lower academic standards in equally empty gyms!

To be fair, 95% of HC fans get this and unfortunately, they have to deal with the constant crazy logic coming from a small minority.
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02-18-18 11:10 AM - Post#248459    

  • BUFan Said:


To be fair, 95% of HC fans get this and unfortunately, they have to deal with the constant crazy logic coming from a small minority.





True. The responses to him last night were mostly to call him "delusional".



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02-18-18 07:45 PM - Post#248537    

Or they simply ignore it, and let others judge the delusions of the few

DoCtoR62
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02-19-18 11:31 AM - Post#248574    

The fact is Holy Cross is pulling the PL down. If they would have performed up to the level of the flagship program they were supposed to be, the league would have a higher profile.

It was HC who threatened to leave in the mid 2000's which would have been the end of the PL. That is when the league gave in to HC & voted to allow basketball scholarships. Of course, HC was the first to award which propelled them to a multi-year run as a league power.

However, all HC has to show for any of this over the last 15 years is an NIT upset of Notre Dame and a "cute little run as a 10-seed" to a PL tourney championship ... with players the HC "faithful" demeaned for most of their careers.

Meanwhile, Bucknell has several wins over ranked teams, both regular season and post-season, and ended 2006 with a national ranking. Lehigh knocked off Duke in the NCAA's, and both Bucknell and Lehigh have produced NBA players.

Where has Holy Cross been? Despite spending more $$$ than most PL programs since the mid 2000's, they have done nothing to promote the PL's stature nationally. If they would have been the equal to Bucknell and Lehigh over the last decade, it is safe to assume the PL would be at a place ... though still not up to Big East standards ... that would make most HC posters rejoice.

And, FWIW, Holy Cross was in the MAAC for 7 years before joining the PL. They had one winning season overall in those 7 years. In its last 3 years in the conference, the MAAC ranked 21st, 24th and 22nd of 33 conferences. The first 3 years after they left, the MAAC was 16th, 18th and 18th. So, you can make the point, they pulled the MAAC down as well.

Save for a several year run where they had a distinct scholarship advantage, HC is a middle of the road basketball program. Not even worth the time to read their fan board.

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02-19-18 12:20 PM - Post#248582    

Well said. Basketball fans may forget that any athletic conference is about many sports. While basketball may be the marquee sport for some, the success of the conference should be judged by the success in every sport. Prior to the last 2-3 years, HC had the worst overall athletic program in the PL. They have improved under the new AD, but still have not demonstrated the ability to win consistently in any sport other than baseball. HC has done nothing to elevate the status of the PL in any sport, let alone basketball.
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02-19-18 02:56 PM - Post#248613    

How can you forget Gordie Lockbaum?
http://www.espn.com/college-football/stor y/_/id/13...

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02-26-18 02:46 PM - Post#249611    

Zack Thomas received another Player of the Week award. He tied Tim Kempton's record for 7 in a season:

http://patriotleague.org/news/2018/2/26/patrio t-le...

Also, congratulations to Zack (651 points and counting) for breaking the Bucknell all time single season scoring record that was previously held by Mike Muscala (637 points).
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!

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02-27-18 11:07 PM - Post#249786    

Lehigh isn’t all bad
https://twitter.com/pennlive/status/96868 036052666...
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02-28-18 08:25 AM - Post#249803    

Please do not go down that road on this board.
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02-28-18 10:17 AM - Post#249818    

I agree. Let's try to stick to basketball and other NCAA sports when possible.
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!

Bucknellbisonfan21
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Bucknellbisonfan21
03-08-18 02:19 PM - Post#251393    

G.G. Smith got fired per Rothstein
jkrun80
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03-08-18 02:35 PM - Post#251397    

  • Bucknellbisonfan21 Said:
G.G. Smith got fired per Rothstein


He seems like a good guy and a decent coach, but they consistently under performed year after year. It was only a matter of time. Have to wonder if the clock is running out for Brennan as well. All the player turnover and poor W-L record has to be wearing thin.
HoleinOne
Masters Student
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03-08-18 02:49 PM - Post#251401    

Wonder if any school will take a look at Dr. Reed from Leigh this year. Not sure he can accomplish much more than he has.
atlantabison
PhD Student
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03-08-18 03:04 PM - Post#251406    

  • Bucknellbisonfan21 Said:
G.G. Smith got fired per Rothstein


Actually Rothstein's tweet was about gigi smith, I wonder if that is his sister??
Ray Bucknell!

Bison137
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Bison137
03-08-18 03:26 PM - Post#251419    

  • HoleinOne Said:
Wonder if any school will take a look at Dr. Reed from Leigh this year. Not sure he can accomplish much more than he has.





If a school is looking for an expert in getting more from less, then he is their man. Great recruiter but very mediocre coach.

Lehigh may be the preseason favorite next year, so that may be his best chance to get out. They underachieved last year and they underachieved this year, so I doubt that will have schools beating down his door.



Bison137
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Bison137
03-08-18 03:29 PM - Post#251421    

  • jkrun80 Said:
  • Bucknellbisonfan21 Said:
G.G. Smith got fired per Rothstein


He seems like a good guy and a decent coach, but they consistently under performed year after year. It was only a matter of time. Have to wonder if the clock is running out for Brennan as well. All the player turnover and poor W-L record has to be wearing thin.




Brennan has two more years left on his contract, and I doubt American wants to eat that much money. They could be a first division team next year if Gasperini comes back healthy, which would save his job. Otoh, if they have any more high-profile transfers, that may force AU's hand.



A Western Bison
Sophomore
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03-08-18 03:43 PM - Post#251426    

The men's conference RPI ranking was 28th, while the women were 15th the last time I checked. Turnover might be in order.
BUFan
PhD Student
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BUFan
03-18-18 07:22 PM - Post#253728    

Not looking to start a political debate, but figured this is worth a share here as an FYI.

http://www.telegram.com/news/20180315/holy-cr oss-t...
Bison137
Professor
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Bison137
03-18-18 08:10 PM - Post#253736    

  • BUFan Said:
Not looking to start a political debate, but figured this is worth a share here as an FYI.

http://www.telegram.com/news/20180315/holy-cr oss-t...




This move was met with great disapproval by many HC alums. At least they didn't end up with the nickname of River Hawks, as the Susquehanna Crusaders are now called.



HoleinOne
Masters Student
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03-18-18 08:39 PM - Post#253740    

With all respect to a strong academic school, seems like a fight they didn't need. Alum feedback that they need to move to a different sports league and now this?
BisonRoadWarrior
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BisonRoadWarrior
03-19-18 10:21 AM - Post#253778    

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article66737...
Bison89
Postdoc
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Bison89
03-19-18 10:35 AM - Post#253783    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:


Is that a new recruit?
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!

atlantabison
PhD Student
Posts 1769
03-19-18 12:38 PM - Post#253803    

  • Bison89 Said:
  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:


Is that a new recruit?



Hopefully a new mascot.
Ray Bucknell!

Bison54
PhD Student
Posts 1407
Bison54
03-19-18 12:43 PM - Post#253805    

For Holy Cross. It looks like a neutered crusader

Bison89
Postdoc
Posts 4467
Bison89
03-19-18 01:03 PM - Post#253809    

  • Bison54 Said:
For Holy Cross. It looks like a neutered crusader



It is the right color for HC.
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!

Bison137
Professor
Posts 13142
Bison137
03-21-18 04:03 PM - Post#254018    

Boston U SG Cheddi Mosely is transferring. He got a lot of playing time his first two years. Then missed most of his 3rd year due to a suspension for disciplinary reasons. Then missed virtually all of last year with an injury. Will transfer somewhere for graduate school and presumably be eligible immediately.



Bison89
Postdoc
Posts 4467
Bison89
03-22-18 11:56 AM - Post#254083    

Sorry to see talent go, but this should help the Bison next season.
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!

Bison137
Professor
Posts 13142
Bison137
03-28-18 12:05 PM - Post#254464    

Although not confirmed as yet, the new Loyola coach is reportedly Tavaras Hardy. He has been an assistant at Georgia Tech, would followed a few years at Georgetown, and a fairly long stint under Bill Carmody at Northwestern where he also had played in college.

He may turn out to be very good, but seems like a bit of a gamble. First, he has no head coaching experience. Secondly, no midmajor recruiting experience. And third, no recruiting high academic prospects. Northwestern has reasonable standards for basketball players - but nowhere close to the Patriot League academic index.



DoCtoR62
Senior
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03-28-18 02:14 PM - Post#254480    

  • Bison137 Said:
He may turn out to be very good, but seems like a bit of a gamble. First, he has no head coaching experience. Secondly, no midmajor recruiting experience. And third, no recruiting high academic prospects. Northwestern has reasonable standards for basketball players - but nowhere close to the Patriot League academic index.



When Loyola hired Donna Woodruff as AD last spring, she came to them through the Parker Executive Search firm. So, when the AD goes looking for a head coach, guess what she does ... she uses Parker who just happened to have Tavares Hardy as a client.

https://twitter.com/BlackCoaches/status/9 275654607...




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