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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147 
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09-27-17 10:45 PM - Post#233286
Here are the picks from three magazines/yearbooks that came out recently: 1. BLUE RIBBON YEARBOOK: (HoopTime) 1 Bucknell 2 Colgate 3 Lehigh 4 Navy 5 Boston 6 Army 7 Loyola 8 Holy Cross 9 American 10 Lafayette All PL: Foulland (POY), Thomas, S. Brown, K. Ross, A. Walker FOY: Walter Whyte (Boston) 2. ATHLON: 1 Bucknell 2 Boston 3 Navy 4 Lehigh 5 Colgate 6 Loyola 7 Holy Cross 8 Army 9 Lafayette 10 American All PL: Foulland, Thomas, K. Ross, A. Walker, S. Anderson All PL (2nd team): S. Brown, Klinewski, Hankerson, S. Nelson, W. Rayman (Colgate) 3. LINDY's: 1 Bucknell 2 Boston 3 Navy 4 Lehigh 5 Loyola 6 Colgate 7 Army 8 Holy Cross 9 Lafayette 10 American All PL: Foulland (POY), Thomas, K. Ross, A. Walker, S. Anderson All PL (2nd team): S. Brown, Klinewski, Hankerson, S. Nelson, S. O'Brien (Colgate) FOY: Sam Iorio (AU)
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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09-27-17 11:02 PM - Post#233287
Looking at the above, here are the average rankings thus far: 1 Bucknell 3 2 Boston 9 3 Navy 10 4 Lehigh 11 5 Colgate 13 6 Loyola 18 7 Army 21 8 Holy Cross 23 9 Lafayette 27 10 American29 At the moment, I would pick them in the same order as the above, although I think HC could move up a bit if they get good play out of three freshmen. The one somewhat strange pick is HoopTime slotting Colgate in at #2. In his defense, they do return all their starters, albeit from an underachieving second division team. Iirc, I think he picked them for a good finish last year as well. In 2015, he picked Bucknell for 5th (finished 1st) and Holy Cross for 1st (finished 7th). One disappointing thing in his write-up this year was a number of factual errors, such as saying the Bison return their top eight rebounders and confusing Bradley with Butler when discussing a Colgate transfer. Also incorrectly said LU's Jack Lieb missed his entire senior year of HS due to injury.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370 
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09-28-17 06:44 AM - Post#233291
137, I haven't had enough caffeine yet this morning. What are the numbers to the right of each school?
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Bison54 PhD Student Posts 1800 
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09-28-17 08:33 AM - Post#233295
Sum of the ranks from the three lists |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
09-28-17 03:19 PM - Post#233325
I think they're giving Lehigh too much credit. Remember they were 3rd last year and lose a lot of scoring. I'd pick them 6th or 7th. Also think Lafayette with be better than 9th, but maybe not much better. Otherwise, the aggregate rankings seem pretty close, definitely for the top 3. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
09-28-17 03:54 PM - Post#233326
And Kimbal Mackenzie will be 2nd team all-PL at least (only because they won't put 4 Bison on the 1st team). |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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09-28-17 04:07 PM - Post#233328
And Kimbal Mackenzie will be 2nd team all-PL at least (only because they won't put 4 Bison on the 1st team). What is the highest number of Bison 1st Teamers that there have been?
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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09-28-17 04:12 PM - Post#233329
Lehigh tied for 2nd last year and reached the championship game. That team underachieved and has graduated a fair amount of talent, as you say. But they also have added a fair amount: - Guard Lance Tejada, a transfer from East Carolina who was highly recruited in HS (offers from Alabama, Miami, Florida State, Virginia, and a number of others). He did not play well at ECU, but potentially could be a strong PL player. - JUCO transfer Ed Porter, a 6-7 PF who was also highly recruited in HS before schools backed off when he missed a year with a shoulder injury. Not that it means much, but he has a 3 star ESPN ranking. - Caleb Bennett, a 6-5 wing who had offers from Northern Iowa, Buffalo, UTEP, ORU, and a number of others. - Marques Wilson, a 6-4 wing who had offers from Iowa State, Bucknell, Evansville, Western IL, and others. (I suspect the Iowa State offer had been pulled for a long time prior to his commitment however.) - James Karnik, a 6-9 center from Canada who picked up late offers from Canisius, Jacksonville, Northern Arizona, and a couple other mediocre programs. Additionally they may get back two big men who have had to sit out since they got to LU due to various injuries: - Caleb Sedore, a 6-11 center who had a Bison offer a couple of years ago. He has missed two years with two different ACL tears and is future is questionable. - Jack Lieb, a 6-10 center who missed his freshman year and apparently is out again with related medical issues. Had offers from Loyola (IL), IL State, Siena, Niagara, Boston U, Lafayette, App. State, and a few others. Adding the above to returnees: All-PL PG Kahron Ross, who had already made All-PL three times; All-PL candidate Kyle Leufroy; and two very good sophs (Pat Andree and Jordan Cohen) gives LU a lot of talent - the second most in the league imo IF they are healthy. But then add in the Brett Reed factor - which is why I drop them to 4th. That intangible was a factor last year as well, so things are equivalent between 2017 and 2018 on the coaching front.
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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09-28-17 04:23 PM - Post#233330
And Kimbal Mackenzie will be 2nd team all-PL at least (only because they won't put 4 Bison on the 1st team). Definitely possible. At this stage, there are nine others who seem likely to make one of the top two teams - Foulland, Thomas, K.Ross, A. Walker, Klinewski, Hankerson (if fully healthy), S. Anderson, and S. Nelson - so that leaves another spot. Some others in the mix for one of the teams might include: - Rayman or O'Brien (Colgate) if CU has a decent year. - Karl Charles (HC) - Leufroy (LU) - Cam Gregory (Loyola) - Jordan Fox (Army) - Someone from Boston U, if they finish 2nd or higher None of the above jumps off the page as someone likely to be higher than 3rd team, however, but a good season can change things.
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Bison54 PhD Student Posts 1800
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09-28-17 06:29 PM - Post#233333
Steven Brown? |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
09-28-17 07:28 PM - Post#233334
Steven Brown? Barring injury, he'll be 1st or 2nd team for sure. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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09-28-17 07:30 PM - Post#233335
Steven Brown? Yes, just missed him on the list. I said there were nine likely to make 1st or 2nd team but only listed eight. Should have said: " At this stage, there are nine others who seem likely to make one of the top two teams - Foulland, Thomas, Brown, K.Ross, A. Walker, Klinewski, Hankerson (if fully healthy), S. Anderson, and S. Nelson - so that leaves another spot.
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MrPhillie Postdoc Posts 2757 
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09-29-17 11:16 AM - Post#233358
Mackenzie is certainly talented enough to make a first or second team, but there are only so many points and stats to go around on any team....and stats are def a large component when choosing these teams. But I think all players would take a PL championship number one and then playing in the tourney and winning at least one game there. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203 
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09-30-17 12:22 PM - Post#233377
Bucknell listed as one of the mid-majors most likely to achieve perfect record in league play: https://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/9/30/16383982... |
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S2YB Freshman Posts 63 |
10-02-17 11:00 AM - Post#233421
Interesting question for everyone. I am writing a preseason article for Mid Major Madness on the Patriot League and I was wondering if anyone had a picture they wouldnt mind me using. I dont want to get in trouble for using google pics or some crap. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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10-02-17 11:57 AM - Post#233425
I would contact Bucknell's Athletics Communications and ask them for images you can use, or perhaps first find an image they've posted and ask permission to use it. http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCL... |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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10-16-17 06:02 PM - Post#234058
At 4pm ET on Wednesday, PatriotLeague.tv will stream a 20-minute program to announce the results of the pre-season poll and all-league selections. It will also include interviews with the pre-season player of the year and the coaches of the top two teams. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
10-16-17 07:58 PM - Post#234065
At 4pm ET on Wednesday, PatriotLeague.tv will stream a 20-minute program to announce the results of the pre-season poll and all-league selections. It will also include interviews with the pre-season player of the year and the coaches of the top two teams. I'm hoping by March Bucknell will not look (or act) like a Cinderella. |
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BisonFan4 Junior Posts 211 |
10-17-17 07:38 AM - Post#234071
After knocking off some power conference schools during non-conference play they surely won't! |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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10-17-17 03:31 PM - Post#234101
At 4pm ET on Wednesday, PatriotLeague.tv will stream a 20-minute program to announce the results of the pre-season poll and all-league selections. It will also include interviews with the pre-season player of the year and the coaches of the top two teams. Official Announcement: http://www.patriotleague.org/news/2017/10/17/leagu ... It is a good sign that Nana's picture is shown.
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
10-17-17 07:35 PM - Post#234111
I'd be shocked if Nana is not pre-season POY. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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10-18-17 01:02 PM - Post#234142
NBC Sports Patriot League preview: http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/10/18/... 1. Bucknell 2. Lehigh 3. Colgate 4. Navy 5. Boston University 6. Loyola 7. Lafayette 8. Army 9. American 10. Holy Cross |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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10-18-17 02:21 PM - Post#234145
I think that Colgate or Boston U have the potential to finish #2.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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10-18-17 03:35 PM - Post#234149
At 4pm ET on Wednesday, PatriotLeague.tv will stream a 20-minute program to announce the results of the pre-season poll and all-league selections. It will also include interviews with the pre-season player of the year and the coaches of the top two teams. Official Announcement: http://www.patriotleague.org/news/2017/10/17/leagu ... It is a good sign that Nana's picture is shown. I'm on patriotleague.tv, but I do not see the 4pm show listed. Does anybody know how to find it?
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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10-18-17 05:07 PM - Post#234163
I'm on patriotleague.tv, but I do not see the 4pm show listed. Does anybody know how to find it? As of right now, it's the program that automatically starts showing at this link: https://watchstadium.com/network/patriot-leagu e-ne... |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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10-18-17 05:40 PM - Post#234164
The Facebook link I posted on the first post of the other thread ("Official PL Preseason Poll") works well.
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bowie Freshman Posts 28 |
10-18-17 05:45 PM - Post#234165
Sestina will be great this year!! |
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BisonFan4 Junior Posts 211 |
10-19-17 08:44 AM - Post#234181
Yes he will! Sestina is going to unleash the beast this season. |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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10-19-17 11:00 AM - Post#234192
I'm on patriotleague.tv, but I do not see the 4pm show listed. Does anybody know how to find it? As of right now, it's the program that automatically starts showing at this link: https://watchstadium.com/network/patriot-leagu e-ne... That was a good program. Overall, I am satisfied with the coverage. IMO, it is an improvement over previous years. I enjoyed the interviews with Nana and Coach Davis. When I hear how well spoken Bucknell players are, it always gives me a good feeling. Also, the interview with BU's Coach Jones was interesting. You might want to watch it starting around 16:40 where he talks about what makes Bucknell tough to beat. To paraphrase, he said, '5 all league caliber players, shoots it well, dominant force in the middle, best forward in the league (Thomas), and best player in the league (Foulland).' GO BISON!
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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10-23-17 10:21 AM - Post#234374
Kenpom.com 2018 preseason rankings: 75. Bucknell 163. Navy 174. Colgate 181. Lehigh 188. Army 224. Boston U 257. Loyola 268. Holy Cross 275. American 293. Lafayette People have previously mentioned that Kenpom.com tends to be more accurate after the out of conference schedule, but still, it looks like the PL is VERY weak this year.
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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10-24-17 06:14 PM - Post#234476
Kevin Sweeney league preview https://cbbcentral.com/2017/10/24/32-confere nces-3... |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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10-24-17 06:50 PM - Post#234477
Kevin Sweeney is a Loyola guy, which may account for him being optimistic about their team.
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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10-24-17 07:22 PM - Post#234478
Kevin Sweeney is a Loyola guy, which may account for him being optimistic about their team. I thought he was Holy Cross...am I confusing him with someone? |
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MrPhillie Postdoc Posts 2757
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10-24-17 07:32 PM - Post#234479
Bucknell is obviously the favorite and it would be a huge upset if they do not win the league. Seems like Boston could be a legit second place team. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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10-24-17 08:00 PM - Post#234480
Kevin Sweeney is a Loyola guy, which may account for him being optimistic about their team. I thought he was Holy Cross...am I confusing him with someone?Yes, you are thinking of Kevin Doyle, who posts as Sons of Vaval. https://twitter.com/kldoyle11?lang=en
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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10-25-17 03:30 PM - Post#234586
Matt Norlander ranks all 351 D1 teams and slots the Bison at # 72. Lehigh is next at #157. "Brett Reed's going to prove again how good of a Patriot League coach he is, because this team is going to wind up top-three in the conference despite losing a star in Tim Kempton." https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ne ws/... |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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10-25-17 03:36 PM - Post#234590
His comment about Reed is laughable. Reed is a great recruiter - and he will have good talent again this year - but he is very weak when it comes to X's and O's and in-game coaching. If LU can find a center this year - which is a big question mark - then they could challenge for 2nd despite Reed's coaching.
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HuskyColonial PhD Student Posts 1976 |
10-25-17 05:58 PM - Post#234613
I see Kempton landed in the Spanish First Division. He should do well. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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10-25-17 06:14 PM - Post#234617
I see Kempton landed in the Spanish First Division. He should do well. Thus far he is averaging 8.8 mpg, 3.3 ppg, and 2.8 rpg. Has taken 17 shots in 34 minutes. Team is 2-3.
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
10-25-17 06:38 PM - Post#234620
I'll be surprised if Lehigh finishes higher than 5th. They have no front court and consistently under achieve. For some reason, they seem to have a lot of injury issues as well. |
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HuskyColonial PhD Student Posts 1976 |
10-26-17 11:31 AM - Post#234653
As I recall, Mike was an upper echelon performer. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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10-26-17 12:10 PM - Post#234661
As I recall, Mike was an upper echelon performer. Your recollection is accurate. Muscala led the league in rebounding during his tenure (7.8 rpg) and was 7th in scoring (14.6 ppg) despite only playing 26 mpg since his coach gave everyone on the bench a lot of minutes. He hit about 55% on FG's and 87% on FT's. Even in three or four years, I doubt you will see Kempton putting up those types of numbers.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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10-27-17 03:37 PM - Post#234847
BU might have gotten weaker. Kyle Foreman, who had started 54 of the last 59 games at guard and averaged a team leading 4.5 assists per game last season, quit the team. The following article states that he is still enrolled at BU which is very interesting: https://sportswtbu.com/2017/09/18/breaking-k yle-fo...
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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10-27-17 03:58 PM - Post#234850
BU might have gotten weaker. Kyle Foreman, who had started 54 of the last 59 games at guard and averaged a team leading 4.5 assists per game last season, quit the team. The following article states that he is still enrolled at BU which is very interesting: https://sportswtbu.com/2017/09/18/breaking-k yle-fo... He left the team back in mid-August, but it wasn't made public until about September 15th. They have an OK replacement in senior PG Eric Johnson, who has started a number of games, but his loss certainly affects their depth. The backup will either be 6-5 freshman CG Javante McCoy, who may not be ready to run the point at the D1 level, or else they will be forced to slide Cedric Hankerson over from the wing. A third option is SG Cheddi Mosely, who is back from being suspended most of last year - but he is really not a PG.
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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11-01-17 12:47 PM - Post#235258
Doug Birdsong was interviewed on the Steve Jones Show. They talk Bison football and then look ahead to the basketball season. Hour two on the 10/31 broadcast: http://stevejonesshow.com/podcast-2/ |
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