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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-10-17 11:14 AM - Post#233693
As per annual tradition, throw out your 1-8 order of finish, Ivy POY, ROY and 1st team picks. I'll aggregate and drop here and on Twitter right before the league teleconference! |
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westphillywarrior Sophomore Posts 196 |
10-10-17 11:30 AM - Post#233695
Ivy Tournament Champion: Penn Regular Season: 1) Yale 2) Harvard 3) Princeton 4) Penn 5) Columbia 6) Cornell 7) Dartmouth 8) Brown POY: Mason, Yale ROY: Cambridge, Brown All-Ivy: Mason, Yale Towns, Harvard Stephens, Princeton Brodeur, Penn Oni, Yale Aiken, Harvard |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
10-10-17 11:34 AM - Post#233696
Yale Harvard Penn Princeton Cornell Dartmouth Columbia Brown Playoff winner: Yale (I continue to hope that whomever wins the 14 game tournament also wins the 2) |
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Okoro Dude Senior Posts 309 |
10-10-17 01:13 PM - Post#233702
1. Harvard 2. Princeton 3. Yale 4. Penn 5. Columbia 6. Dartmouth 7. Brown 8. Cornell POY - Aiken ROY - Much 1st Team - Aiken Mason Stephens Oni Boudreaux |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4910 |
10-10-17 05:22 PM - Post#233740
Maximum likelihood: Yale Princeton Harvard Penn Cornell Columbia Dartmouth Brown POY = Mason ROY = Much 1st team: Mason Towns Stephens Oni ?????--call it Boudreaux, what the heck |
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jadwinjungle Freshman Posts 45 |
10-11-17 11:49 AM - Post#233776
Yale Princeton Harvard Penn Columbia Cornell Dartmouth Brown POY: Stephens ROY: Faulds First team: Stephens, Mason, Aiken, Boudreaux, Bruner |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-12-17 12:44 PM - Post#233859
Let's bump this back up... I'll be tallying these up next Tuesday! |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
10-12-17 03:23 PM - Post#233866
Yale Harvard Penn Princeton Cornell Columbia Brown Dartmouth POY: Oni ROY: Jelani Williams First Team: Boudreaux, Stephens, Oni, Betley, Towns |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1171 |
10-12-17 03:33 PM - Post#233867
POY: Oni ROY: Jelani Williams First Team: Boudreaux, Stephens, Oni, Betley, Towns How many ppg would Betley need to average to make 1st team? |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2691 |
10-13-17 12:52 AM - Post#233878
Harvard Yale Princeton Penn Columbia Dartmouth Cornell Brown POY: Mason ROY: Much 1st Team: Stephens Mason Boudreaux Aiken Towns |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1171 |
10-13-17 09:49 AM - Post#233885
Yale Princeton Harvard Penn Columbia Dartmouth Brown Cornell POY: Oni ROY: Much First Team: Boudreaux, Stephens, Oni, Aiken, Bruner |
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 3992 |
10-13-17 10:36 AM - Post#233890
i would prefer to wait until I have seen someone dribble once or twice, but: Harvard Yale Princeton Penn Brown (surprise!) Cloumbia Dartmouth Cornell |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
10-13-17 10:47 AM - Post#233894
In my dreams: Princeton Brown Cornell Dartmouth Columbia Yale/harvard (tie) Penn |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
10-13-17 10:56 AM - Post#233898
As long as you put yourself ahead of Clownbia |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1171 |
10-13-17 11:05 AM - Post#233902
In my dreams: Princeton Brown Cornell Dartmouth Columbia Yale/harvard (tie) Penn That you hate Penn more than Harvard and Yale fills me with hope for the future. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
10-13-17 11:08 AM - Post#233906
He's a typical Princeton guy---he thinks the Harvard and Yale guys would think less of him if he put them under Penn. In actuality, they don't think of him at all. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
10-13-17 04:10 PM - Post#233938
Just giving some of the Penn folks what they appear to enjoy. 
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iabhoops88 Sophomore Posts 107 |
10-13-17 04:48 PM - Post#233942
1. Harvard 2. Yale 3. Princeton 4. Penn 5. Cornell 6. Columbia 7. Dartmouth 8. Brown POY - Makai Mason 1st Team Myles Stephens Miye Oni Seth Towns AJ Broduer Bryce Aiken ROY Jaron Faulds |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
10-13-17 05:50 PM - Post#233947
POY: Oni ROY: Jelani Williams First Team: Boudreaux, Stephens, Oni, Betley, Towns How many ppg would Betley need to average to make 1st team? I think first team is more than just PPG ( just ask Boudreaux) but somewhere in the 14-15 ppg range. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
10-14-17 12:12 AM - Post#233963
Yale Princeton Harvard Penn Cornell Columbia Dartmouth Brown POY: Stephens ROY: Much 1st team: Stephens Mason Aiken Towns Morgan |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
10-14-17 12:15 AM - Post#233964
Like the Bruner pick (though I didn't make it). Will be interesting to see who can make a big soph leap among all the great rookies from last year. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-15-17 01:38 PM - Post#234005
That 2016 class is gonna be an all-timer... NINE 2 win share players and 20 with half a win share as freshmen. Insanity. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
10-16-17 10:08 AM - Post#234035
Based on the assumption that Makai Mason will have lingering effects from foot injury: Harvard Yale Princeton Penn Cornell Columbia Dartmouth Brown All Ivy: Aiken Oni Stephens Towns Bruner POY: Stephens ROY: ? Ivy League Tournament Champion: Pick a name out of a hat |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-16-17 10:39 AM - Post#234037
Alrighty... I'll dive in here. Haven't done the work I'd normally do (probably won't be able to this year, sadly), but generally this is where my head is at: Princeton Yale Harvard Penn Columbia Dartmouth Cornell Brown The top three to me seem to be pretty even, so I'll be the one that goes against the grain. Penn's sorta in no man's land right now, probably closer to Columbia/Dartmouth/Cornel l than HYP, but significantly enough in between that I can see why they're gonna be a near-unanimous pick for 4th. I really think Columbia's strong freshman class is going to help it EASILY outperform the #283 ranking on Bart Torvik's site, but that's a lot of ground to make up on Penn. The freshman class projects for about 24 WS over four years in my model, and last year's seniors only combined for 5, so there's a fair deal of evidence that the production might not drop. I'm not a believer in Cornell just yet (and especially to the crazy Top 200 level that others are). Probably unfair to have them below Dartmouth, but Columbia/Cornell/Dartmout h are about as hard to pick between as HYP. Brown - it's all about the defense. We'll see. They'll score points, for sure. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3050 |
10-16-17 11:23 AM - Post#234042
Regular Season: Yale Princeton Harvard Penn Columbia Dartmouth Cornell Brown Agree with most people here that Harvard, Princeton and Yale are a toss-up for the top 3. While I think Harvard has the most overall talent of that top group, I believe that Yale and Princeton are more disciplined teams. Comparing the Bulldogs and Tigers, I think Yale has a stronger core. With the other 5 programs, I feel that all but Brown will see improvement this season. Penn seems to be a solid four. Columbia should be better than what some non-Ivy commentators are stating. While I think that Dartmouth and Cornell are a little below Columbia, it is not that far a drop. I think Brown will have a harder time this season, but things look better for next season. POY: Mason (Runner-Up Stephens) ROY: Faulds (Runner-Up Much) First-Team Mason, Aiken, Morgan, Stephens, Boudreaux Second-Team Oni, Cannady, Towns, Brodeur, Brunner |
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Columbia Alum Junior Posts 247 |
10-16-17 12:53 PM - Post#234048
Approx KenPom rank at end of the season: 1. Yale 12-2 #50 2. Harvard 11-3 #70 3. Princeton 9-5 #120 4. Columbia 7-7 #175 5. Penn 6-8 #190 6. Cornell 5-9 #220 7. Dartmohth 4-10 #240 8. Brown 2-12 #300 POY - Mason ROY - Faulds 1st Team - Aiken Mason Stephens Morgan Smith Boudreaux 2nd team - Brodeur Oni Faulds Towns Cannady |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-16-17 06:09 PM - Post#234060
Last call!!! |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3618 
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10-16-17 08:47 PM - Post#234067
Yale Princeton Harvard Penn Columbia Dartmouth Cornell Brown All Ivy: Mason Oni Stephens Towns Brodeur POY: Mason ROY: Much |
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tkapiko Freshman Posts 28 |
10-16-17 09:03 PM - Post#234068
Regular Season: Yale Harvard Princeton Penn Cornell Columbia Dartmouth Brown POY: Oni ROY: Faulds 1st Team: Mason, Stephens, Oni, Aiken, Towns 2nd Team: Bruner, Cannady, Boudreaux, Brodeur, Morgan Ivy League Tournament Champion: Yale |
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westphillywarrior Sophomore Posts 196 |
10-16-17 10:52 PM - Post#234070
Three more predictions: Harvard fans will really miss having Chambers to run the show. Princeton fans will be disappointed that Much is not ready to play at this level this year. Desrosiers is more likely to contribute right away. Penn fans will wage a pitched battle all year over the best lineup. It will be the Speedy Freshmen vs the Donahue Deliberates. |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1171 |
10-17-17 08:49 AM - Post#234073
Penn fans will wage a pitched battle all year over the best lineup. It will be the Speedy Freshmen vs the Donahue Deliberates. What are the odds of Donahue settling on a lineup before Ivy tournament time? |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-17-17 09:29 AM - Post#234074
Results posted here!!! https://twitter.com/ivybball/status/92027 397270454... |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
10-17-17 09:44 AM - Post#234075
Penn fans will wage a pitched battle all year over the best lineup. It will be the Speedy Freshmen vs the Donahue Deliberates. What are the odds of Donahue settling on a lineup before Ivy tournament time? I think you are being facetious. I think SD will settle on a lineup by the time IL play begins. He knows a lot more about his players this year than every before but also has some uncertainty with the return of AW and the 3 frosh. With the emergence of AJ and Betley, along with the experience he has coming back, he has the ability to be more patient with how he fits the new guys in. Last year he needed to figure out where his scoring was coming from, how they were going to defend and who was best fit for those roles. This year, as they shift to 2 bigs, there is some uncertainty as to who will become the producers alongside those top 3, but it seems more defined. And on defense I think they know what they have already. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3770 |
10-17-17 10:03 AM - Post#234076
I'm pretty sure that, if you caught Steve in a moment of candor (perhaps with the involvement of alcoholic beverages), he would acknowledge that he took too long last season to settle on a lineup. I don't think he's going to make the same mistake this year. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
10-17-17 10:13 AM - Post#234078
Mike, Thanks for doing this. It's a fun way to kick things off. Love your stuff on twitter. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
10-17-17 10:40 AM - Post#234080
Ditto to PennFan10's remark. It's fun to have an appetizer to the long-awaited season to debate and carp about. There were no MR Jameses at harvard in my day.🅠|
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
10-17-17 11:32 PM - Post#234117
I see why you think #1. Of course, Aiken could make a big frosh to soph leap and come back as more of a real PG. The Princeton frosh are interesting. I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of them ends up starting right away. I'm just not sure who. Finally, on the Penn lineup, I wonder what would have happened if Betley hadn't gotten hurt early. Lineup might have stabilized a lot sooner if they had him from the start. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-18-17 08:13 AM - Post#234122
The funny thing about Harvard's offense is that it doesn't really need a point guard, per se. The motion offense is all about having multiple people combine to try to break a defense down. What it does need is an end-of-shot-clock playmaker off a high PNR. Aiken was more efficient in that set than any other past Harvard point guard. Harvard's puzzles to solve are going to come in how to handle a front court rotation and the best combinations to play sound team defense. While I might be a little pessimistic this year, I will say that I expect Harvard to have a huge 2018-19 and 2019-20. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
10-18-17 12:13 PM - Post#234135
I agree. However, as Harvard develops, so does everyone else. I would make them my SLIGHT favorites this season,and strong favorites in 2018-2019. But, by 2019-20 anything could happen as other Ivies close the gaps with talented newcomers. Then, there are the unknowns -- key injuries, dropouts, personal tragedies -- that one can never predict. And, you can only put five men on the court at once. I recall 2012 when Harvard was easily the deepest in talent in the League. But, a lot of that talent simmered on the bench as a thinner squad of Tigers ultimately prevailed. 
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
10-18-17 02:53 PM - Post#234147
personal tragedies? You know something T69? |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-18-17 03:13 PM - Post#234148
I think you're thinking of 2011... The 2012 team was deep and talented and did win the league. The 2014 team was the best of this era. I suspect 2020 will be as good or better than those. That being said, I don't doubt another Ivy could come along as well. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
10-18-17 04:38 PM - Post#234160
Another way to put this -- just because Amaker preferred pairing Chambers/Curry and Chambers/Aiken when he had the option doesn't mean that he has to have 2 PGs to succeed. Obviously Chambers will be missed, but playing a bigger lineup will have it's advantages as well (assuming that is how it shakes out). |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4910 |
10-18-17 07:22 PM - Post#234169
In theory, Amaker's motion offense doesn't require a PG to move the ball. In practice, in the games I saw, when Chambers was off the floor the offense all too often ended up in that desperation PNR at the end of the shot clock. That's supposed to be the bailout option, not the primary action. There were a lot of young guys playing, so perhaps the ball movement will improve and this will become a non-issue. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2691 |
10-19-17 06:05 PM - Post#234218
USA Today Coaches Poll gives Harvard 2 votes (45th rank). No other Ivy votes Note that James Jones has a vote as does St. Mary's coach Randy Bennett. St. Mary's vs Harvard headlines first round of upcoming Wooden Legacy Tournament. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
10-19-17 09:24 PM - Post#234226
I stand corrected. I was thinking of Doug Davis' 2011 playoff team. Years go by faster at my age🙠|
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3618
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11-10-17 11:32 PM - Post#235878
Yale Princeton Harvard Penn Columbia Dartmouth Cornell Brown All Ivy: Mason Oni Stephens Towns Brodeur POY: Mason ROY: Much Um... can I get a Yale injury waiver do-over?! |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-04-18 03:03 PM - Post#250766
POY: Oni ROY: Jelani Williams First Team: Boudreaux, Stephens, Oni, Betley, Towns How many ppg would Betley need to average to make 1st team? I think first team is more than just PPG ( just ask Boudreaux) but somewhere in the 14-15 ppg range. FYI, Betley averaged 14.5 ppg |
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