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Eric Von Zipper Senior Posts 343 |
12-01-17 10:01 PM - Post#238721
opens Princeton +15 1/2 |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 12:08 AM - Post#238730
I expect Larranega will have his guys shadowing Cannady out to the parking lot. He'll need to move without the ball and the others will have to exploit the extra spaces created. Avoid TOs because Miami is much happier running down the open court. And in the half-court, the Tigers will have to bow up on interior defense and box out to stay in this thing. A huge challenge, but little to lose. May as well go out there and play loose, hard, and aggressive. |
Eric Von Zipper Senior Posts 343 |
12-02-17 09:27 AM - Post#238734
The best thing they have going for them tonight is the Hurricanes shoot 57.1% from the foul line. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:44 AM - Post#238736
This game should be a good one for the Tigers. They should be under no illusions tonight that they can run the iso ball that failed so miserably in first half against Lehigh. There's still a lot of talent on this Princeton team. They just need to play as a team on offense and defense and make shots. We'll see... |
Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
12-02-17 11:17 AM - Post#238737
So, start at the end of the bench and foul Miami as soon as they cross mid court. By the second half we have our best players on the court with no fouls! |
JadwinGeorge Senior Posts 357 |
12-02-17 11:59 AM - Post#238740
OK...but we are down 40 by then....if we can keep it under 12 it's a huge victory.... |
Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
12-02-17 12:34 PM - Post#238742
But, they only shoot 57% FT! By halftime, they'll be so frustrated (as well as the fans) and exhausted at the line it may be worse! We average 1.0 each possession and we're in the game |
bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-02-17 02:28 PM - Post#238749
I hope that you are right but I am not sure of it. Although the offense was poorly run, the real culprit was the lack of effort in the first half as well as the last 10 minutes of the FDU game. Coach went immediately to the effort issue post-game Lehigh and he was rightly disgusted. If the Tigers were looking ahead to Miami that it is ridiculous as they are simply not talented enough to get away with not playing with 100% effort. Today will be a good test for HYP. Of the three to date, Yale has not played as badly as HP. The overall quality of play by IL teams as a whole has been poor. What is the cause? -- talent, effort, coaching, too early, etc. Today, you would think that the result(s) will not be a function of a lack of effort. Today will give some answers as to talent level where the issue may really exist. There was a lot of hype regarding the IL by some -- preseason. Hopefully, the hype was correct at the end of the day. |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 03:31 PM - Post#238750
So far, the contagious effort guys have been Aririguzoh and Morales, looking happy and excited to be out there and causing some havoc. LeBlanc also hustling in the pre-Lehigh games consistently. Stephens looks to me like his offensive burden is detracting from his D at times, and he looked like his wrist was nicked up against Lehigh, The contrast between efforts by everybody in the two halfs should be a talking point for the coaches--the players have fresh memories of what the difference feels like. Now if they will at least move the ball from one side of the court to the other once or twice on offense I'll feel better. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 03:43 PM - Post#238753
I thought the effort was pretty good against Butler, the most athletic team the Tigers have played to date. That game was there for the taking (and recall that there several absolutely horrendous calls against the team in that one). I'm watching Butler destroy a decent St. Louis team and the Bulldogs recently beat Ohio State on the road. In that game, the Tigers played a much more mentally focused game than what we've generally seen since and I am hopeful that being in such an obviously challenging environment against such a highly ranked team with have them focused and ready to go. (And yes I think they were looking past Legigh to Miami--how could they not have been). |
bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-02-17 06:01 PM - Post#238761
I like the optimism. Lehigh lost by 21 points to University of Virginia on the road. Harvard is playing Kentucky tough. They look like a talented squad playing well. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 07:04 PM - Post#238765
I'm always an optimist before the games. I can sour as quickly as anyone on here if they don't play well. |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 08:12 PM - Post#238767
The effort only looked like a problem to me in the first half of Lehigh. Lousy ball movement and iffy defense in other games seemed due to other issues. |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 09:12 PM - Post#238776
8-8 start is good with PU doing all the things they haven't been doing in the recent bad patches. Good ball movement, Stephens takes and makes an open trey, Bell hits a trey, Much and Schweger involved offensively. Good job doubling post men and staying connected on D, although the Canes got some good looks from three. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 09:16 PM - Post#238777
Extra passes and help defense and a 13-12 lead |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 09:19 PM - Post#238778
Tigers up 15-14 at the under 12 break. Playing good D and rebounding well tonight. |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 09:20 PM - Post#238779
Big surprise is Princeton drawing more fouls than they commit early on while doing their usual great job on the defensive glass. Miami looks bigger in front but not showing overall physical superiority yet. Cannady got in the lane for an and-one, another good sign. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 09:22 PM - Post#238780
Devin has to settle down! Shooting 1 for 6 and most very tough shots |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 09:26 PM - Post#238781
Three consecutive fouls by the Tigers eroding that advantage. Cannady misses a good look from the corner. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 09:30 PM - Post#238782
When we don't pass, it aint pretty |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 09:30 PM - Post#238783
Stephens forces a bad shot on the drive, but then Brennan (?) draws a charge. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 09:31 PM - Post#238784
You can't have a 1 for 12 stretch against a team like Miami. Gotta make shots |
sparman PhD Student Posts 1345 |
12-02-17 09:32 PM - Post#238785
The familiar cold shooting streak makes its appearance. |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 09:32 PM - Post#238786
Good timeout by MH; Miami on an 11-0 run. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 09:32 PM - Post#238787
We're taking really tough shots |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 09:33 PM - Post#238788
Devin has a green light from anywhere on the floor. I'm waiting for him to take a shot from out of bounds one of these days |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 09:33 PM - Post#238789
Weird how the announcers will not mention the names of any PU players but the Big 3.. |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 09:34 PM - Post#238790
Stephens breaks the drought with his patented move in the lane. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 09:36 PM - Post#238791
And then Stevens throws the ball away on an ugly drive that wasn't there the next time up the floor. |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 09:37 PM - Post#238792
Some bad offensive possessions and Miami is up 14 after some run-outs. Tigers need to settle down and keep this a half-court game. |
penn nation Professor Posts 21187 |
12-02-17 09:39 PM - Post#238794
Princeton has looked pretty tough the first 10 minutes, and pretty dreadful since. This is a very athletic team they're playing that also shoots well from three. It doesn't help Princeton's cause that almost every time down it's one and done (unless they've already turned it over). |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 09:40 PM - Post#238795
Could use a little slow-motion run here. |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 09:41 PM - Post#238796
Their shot blockers at the rim are really bothering the Tigers, but at least they turn it over a fair amount. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 09:42 PM - Post#238797
Tigers now under 30% shooting. Missing from inside and deep. Down 15. |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 09:43 PM - Post#238798
Love Cannady diving on the floor after his missed trey to get the new possession. |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 09:44 PM - Post#238799
Bell dribbles too much and misses the open cutter, turns it over, Miami trey. Bad sequence. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 09:44 PM - Post#238800
And Bell dribbles into trouble and gives up the ball. Pass the damn ball!!! |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 09:44 PM - Post#238801
Brennan blows the layup on the perfect pick-and-roll from Cannady. |
sparman PhD Student Posts 1345 |
12-02-17 09:46 PM - Post#238802
3-22 not going to win many games |
gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3663 |
12-02-17 09:47 PM - Post#238803
Getting totally humiliated out there. Missing 8-9 wide-open threes. 5-6 wide-open layups. This is shades of Joe Scott. These guys are mentally shook. Can't even blame the competition because Lehigh was doing the same thing (and leading by more at halftime). No fire. No fight. Do the guys just think they can "turn it on" for Ivy play? Even if they win the weekend tourney, they'll be the play-in 16th seed at this rate. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 09:48 PM - Post#238804
Miami is too big and too fast for us. Would probably be at least a little closer if our guys acknowledged this and didn't try to take these guys head on. |
penn nation Professor Posts 21187 |
12-02-17 09:55 PM - Post#238805
I would disagree. They are getting intimidated on the finishes--not all of these shots are completely wide open. And cannot get a board--that is the key. Miami is just so athletic--they have everything to do with Princeton getting frustrated. |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 09:56 PM - Post#238806
Yeah, a few cases of hearing footsteps but mostly getting snuffed or altered. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:00 PM - Post#238807
Much is the only one who is consistently getting open shots. Unfortunately, he's 0 for 5. |
gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3663 |
12-02-17 10:00 PM - Post#238808
Some shots are getting stuffed. Just as many if not more are wide-open. Also, they're getting stuffed at the rim because they can't hit a plethora of wide-open 3s they usually make against any competition. No space to operate. Again, Lehigh was creaming us by 19 at the half, so this isn't the competition. To be honest, Miami has been real sloppy on offense and given up lots of open looks on defense. We've had our chances...just playing scared. |
sparman PhD Student Posts 1345 |
12-02-17 10:05 PM - Post#238811
I don't know about playing scared. But poorly, yes. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:06 PM - Post#238812
Down goes Gladson. |
sparman PhD Student Posts 1345 |
12-02-17 10:07 PM - Post#238814
Who is this Gladden the announcers speak of? |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:08 PM - Post#238815
Well we looked good until we didn't... |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:10 PM - Post#238816
Looked like big Will is in a lot of pain. Really feel for the guy. He was hustling out there and had a couple of nice looking moves while he was out there--gave us a very different look. |
gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3663 |
12-02-17 10:11 PM - Post#238817
Cannady was due for an off-night after starting the season as one of the very best 3pt shooters in the nation (combining makes with %). But why did it have to be tonight? The more open he is, the worse he misses. It's been that kind of non-conf slate thus far. Hope Will is okay. Even without scoring, we benefit from his presence in the paint. Maybe he should just sit out non-conf as a precaution. |
penn nation Professor Posts 21187 |
12-02-17 10:11 PM - Post#238818
At this point it looks like the IL will go 0-7 on the evening. Unless you think Princeton will come back like it did against Lehigh....but I don't see that happening here. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:13 PM - Post#238820
The Mike James hype is looking pretty empty right now... |
sparman PhD Student Posts 1345 |
12-02-17 10:14 PM - Post#238821
Yale losing by bigger margin against lower ranked team. And I don't feel better. |
gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3663 |
12-02-17 10:14 PM - Post#238822
The Ivy tourney will be a godsend this year. Any team could end up making it and winning it. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:17 PM - Post#238824
Stevens just does not look right out there. In contrast, Bell may have his shooting stroke back. |
sparman PhD Student Posts 1345 |
12-02-17 10:19 PM - Post#238825
Weird = the espn website is ahead of the TV broadcast. Announcer said Yale is giving TCU all they can handle. They are losing by 19. I guess espn fired all their producers. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:21 PM - Post#238826
Really getting sick of announcers talking about how much better the Ivies are now than ever before. But I guess I keep forgetting that Ivy League basketball didn't really get started until Tommy went to Harvard. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:26 PM - Post#238829
Nice pass from Much goes right through Stevens hands. Come on man! |
penn nation Professor Posts 21187 |
12-02-17 10:27 PM - Post#238830
Quite honestly though there aren't too many teams that could beat Miami the way they are playing and shooting tonight. |
gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3663 |
12-02-17 10:29 PM - Post#238831
After playing great D for 25+ seconds, Miami gives up a totally wide-open 3 to Much at the end of the clock...and it's not even close. After playing great D for 25+ seconds, Princeton limits Walker to a terrible contested NBA three...which he swishes easily. That sums up the game nicely. |
Eric Von Zipper Senior Posts 343 |
12-02-17 10:30 PM - Post#238833
Ivy League goes 0-7 tonight. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:30 PM - Post#238834
I don't disagree with you penn nation. Just hate to watch the Tigers whiff like this. Cannady and Much going 0-12 from 3 is just freakish. |
penn nation Professor Posts 21187 |
12-02-17 10:31 PM - Post#238835
That was a rather tough long pull-up jumper that Cannady did hit, though. |
gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3663 |
12-02-17 10:33 PM - Post#238837
This was the wrong year to go with a super-challenging non-conf schedule. Guys are just going to be demoralized come Ivy play. Unless you have a stacked senior-laden squad, I'd prefer to go with a patty cake non-conf to help the guys gain confidence. Maybe ONE fancy invitational in there for kicks, but that's it. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:35 PM - Post#238838
Another beautiful pass to Stevens who again drops the ball. Hard to watch... |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:37 PM - Post#238839
Well at least Much hit the rim on that one |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:38 PM - Post#238840
Miami is just ridiculous from behind the 3-pt line. My goodness! |
sparman PhD Student Posts 1345 |
12-02-17 10:38 PM - Post#238841
I cannot recall such consistently bad 3-pt shooting. |
penn nation Professor Posts 21187 |
12-02-17 10:41 PM - Post#238842
To be fair, a few of those three point attempts were from NBA land. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:41 PM - Post#238843
Bell and Stevens are combined 5/8 from three. Much and Cannady 0/15. Rest of team 2/7. |
sparman PhD Student Posts 1345 |
12-02-17 10:42 PM - Post#238844
Yes, but when you are 0-fer, why keep taking them? |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:45 PM - Post#238845
Really classy of Miami to keep starters in when they are up by 25+. |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-02-17 10:50 PM - Post#238846
Amir Bell 5/7 (2/3 from 3), 13 pts., 6 reb., 2 asst. 1 steal |
1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2272 |
12-02-17 10:56 PM - Post#238847
Well, about what I expected. Miami is one good shooting team! (Did I hear the announcers say they have the best two shooting guards in the country?) Looked like Villanova against Georgetown in the national championship game. I hope it was not a season ending injury for Gladson. And so to to bed. |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-02-17 11:05 PM - Post#238848
That was a blowout expanded by unusually good three-point shooting by Miami and unusually bad three-point shooting by PU. Tons of wide-open, in rhythm treys didn't go down, many missing badly. Meanwhile, the Miami sharpshooter couldn't miss and a bunch of guys who usually don't shoot threes were also knocking them in. 8-32 vs. 14-25s accounts for 18 points by itself. At 33% for both teams you'd have that as plus-3 for PU (note they'd still lose by seven if happened). Miami is really good and will challenge in the ACC and the NCAA tournament. A lot of the Princeton turnovers were unforced by caused by players hurrying or worrying because of Miami's swarming play. And in the second half, the Canes started to get second shots as the Tigers wore down. |
bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-03-17 09:28 AM - Post#238868
My walkaways from last night: Miami coach post-game stated that their goal was to shutdown Cannady which they did as Miami is very athletic on the perimeter. Will IL teams be able to shutdown Cannady? Amir stepped up which he strangely does against better competition. Myles style of play gets somewhat negated against big athletic players. Although Much missed so many 3s', he had the guts to take them and a number of them were just a little too long. He looks like he will be the 4th option. The 5th - who knows - especially if Gladson is injured. Tigers played very competitively thru the first 12 minutes of each half which is actually a positive sign. Tigers and Miami's 3 pt shooting results wildly different and Tigers do not shoot the 3 as well as last year although we shot the same % last year against Notre Dame. Princeton has a lot of growing pains if they have enough talent. Other walkaway from yesterday is that the IL continues to demonstrate issues as to the quality of their play. To me, Harvard is the most talented team with the most amount of upside but they are 3-6. IL regular season, other than possibly Harvard, will be a crap shoot and who knows the results of the absurd IL Tournament. Unfortunately, the winner will not be a 12th seed like the Tigers, Yale and Harvard teams of recent years. Finally, watching last night's game reaffirmed the grit of last year's Tigers team and affirmed the absurdity if Penn not Princeton went to the NCAA Tournament based on being a 12th vs 15th/16th seed. |
1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2272 |
12-03-17 09:41 AM - Post#238869
Morales did not play--was he suited up on the bench? Vasiljavic was awesome. He followed Cannady as tightly as humanly possible. Then turns around and dropped 3-balls like they were layups. |
Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
12-03-17 10:18 AM - Post#238871
Time to give the guys some quiet time and follow the women. Penn has good reasons to be concerned about our young and improving group, now 4-2 with strong performances in both their losses to ranked teams Villanova and Georgia Tech 🅠|
bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-03-17 10:30 AM - Post#238875
I understand what you are saying but disagree. Playing against that type of competition gives the coach and the players very clear, visible feedback. Cannady and Much should walk out of the Miami game with some important takeaways. Stephens experienced the need to shoot 3 pointers as he cannot simply go to the hoop. There really is no substitute to playing to the highest level of competition. I doubt that the blow away loss will take the fight out of the Tigers. The first 12 minutes of the second half showed that they had fight in them. Losing to Lehigh at home and playing the first half like they did may well be depressing vs. the Miami game. IL teams will be loading up on Cannady so he needs to keep learning how to get his shot off under severe pressure unless the 4th and 5th options emerge. |
Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
12-03-17 11:37 AM - Post#238882
Enough of the hand-wringing. It's the IL that counts. The IL Champ is never going more than 2-3 rounds in the NCAAs in bball anyway unless we create a parallel universe for super jocks as some (not me) folks might like. We have plenty to offer bright kids with good judgement who are talented athletes and don't need the adoration of crowds to reenforce their egos. I'm content with a good dose of Ivy Crowns and an occasional exciting match with a jock power. The costs of competing at the level of the Dukes, Kentuckies and Miamies far outweigh the benefits. |
HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2688 |
12-03-17 12:17 PM - Post#238887
Agreed, but note that you just created your own parallel universe in which there are apparently multiple Miamies and Kentuckies! I think one of each was more than enough for each of us yesterday! |
TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
12-03-17 02:29 PM - Post#238900
IL teams will be loading up on Cannady so he needs to keep learning how to get his shot off under severe pressure unless the 4th and 5th options emerge. This is true but Tigers need to figure out how to give Cannady some help getting open shots. There were almost no high screens last night. #1 from Miami was wearing Devin like a shirt (that kid is impressive) and I kept waiting for MH to try something to help Devin out. |
1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2272 |
12-03-17 02:37 PM - Post#238901
There were almost no high screens last night. #1 from Miami was wearing Devin like a shirt (that kid is impressive) and I kept waiting for MH to try something to help Devin out. I went back and watched the replay a bit. I was dismayed to see how little effort was made to screen Vasiljevic off the ball. You just gotta make the guy pay for trying to stay so close. More hard screens off the ball might have hindered his shooting touch as well. |
westcoast Senior Posts 302 |
12-03-17 03:49 PM - Post#238906
Morales did not play--was he suited up on the bench? Morales was on the bench with some type of boot on his right foot. Hopefully just a minor ankle sprain. |
1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2272 |
12-03-17 04:20 PM - Post#238907
Thanks. When I watched the replay I thought I saw him on the end of the bench. |
SRP Postdoc Posts 4909 |
12-03-17 04:28 PM - Post#238908
Generally the Tigers ought to be cutting off more screens away from the ball. And if they could run set stuff for Clay Wilson a few years ago, they could do it for Cannady. |
bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-03-17 08:19 PM - Post#238920
Devin has added features to his game this year vs. prior years. Besides the obvious 3 pt shooting and the soft floating shot to the basket, he has added a slight 2 pt fade shot in the lane and he has been finishing drives to the basket besides the floater. Even with the poor shooting night at Miami, his offensive stats are crazy good plus he does not turn over the ball very much. He is not a great defender although he has gotten better and he is not a great passer but he has improved. Should be a great match up when he faces Aiken later this year. Aiken is obviously a very good player but look at the comparable stats between the two of them so far this year. Some screens would be great like the subtle screen by Stephens on a corner 3 against Lehigh in the 2nd half. |
1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2272 |
12-03-17 09:32 PM - Post#238923
Generally the Tigers ought to be cutting off more screens away from the ball. And if they could run set stuff for Clay Wilson a few years ago, they could do it for Cannady. I'd like to see some double stagger away screens. Really puts pressure on the defender. |
HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2688 |
12-03-17 10:38 PM - Post#238927
Both Cannaday and Aiken are great players, but they are playing very different roles. Cannaday is a shooting guard and Aiken is a point guard. They are scoring roughly the same per game. Cannaday is shooting far better, but Aiken is doing more things, evidenced by the fact that Bryce is among the league leaders in assists and Cannaday only has 6 assists on the season. Frankly, I was surprised to see that stat on Devin, as I assumed he sees a lot of touches and has a lot of scorers on the court with him. I venture to say that if Bryce played off the ball he'd be a more efficient scorer. I'll give the nod to the one who is able to play better defense. Jury's still out I assume. |
bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-04-17 10:37 AM - Post#238955
Appears that Aiken is not only the point guard but the shooting guard as Bryce averages 13 shots per game vs. 10 by Cannady. I agree that he is a better passer but his 3pt percentage 27% is pretty low. I think that he takes 6 3 pt shots per game vs. 7 by Cannady. In all likelihood, the percentage in 3 pt shooting will narrow over time. |
HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2688 |
12-04-17 12:06 PM - Post#238971
Therein lies the Crimson heel of Achilles Well done my liege! Oh, and bring me a Shrubbery! |
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