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Eric Von Zipper Senior Posts 343 |
01-04-18 09:13 PM - Post#242051
Opens Penn -2 Just like the wind chill factor on 34th Street |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4910 |
01-04-18 10:59 PM - Post#242062
Too bad I'm not a gambler. |
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westphillywarrior Sophomore Posts 196 |
01-04-18 11:24 PM - Post#242065
You're lucky you're not a gambler. I'm kind of surprised you are so high on Princeton for this game. I'm just as high on Penn. The two teams are about even. We're playing at home. Do you remember the last time you came down to the Palestra? Pure luck you won that one. You're team was quite a bit better last year. It's Penn's turn. We're due. Much looks like he's going to be a nice player for you, but not tomorrow. Intimidated by his first time in the Cathedral. All you'll be talking about after the game is how lousy the refs were. You're lucky you're not a gambler. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4910 |
01-04-18 11:29 PM - Post#242068
As I said earlier, possibly irrational exuberance. I just have a pretty good feeling about the way this group is playing--their development has tracked the way I viewed it from preseason, down to the continuing weak spots but with their best ball ahead of them. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
01-05-18 12:17 AM - Post#242070
I admit that I'm concerned about this game. But, it's good to hear the chest thumping over on the Penn board. It will make a win over the Quackers that much more enjoyable. 
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3618 
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01-05-18 04:35 AM - Post#242073
I see very little chest thumping from Penn fans. I read a lot of hopeful thoughts (I sure have some), but plenty of concern to go around. That's fun because it means Penn has gotten back to a point that it matters again. I'm hoping for a good game with a Quakers victory, but expect a seriously tough game that could go either way depending on whose 3's are falling... |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-05-18 09:19 AM - Post#242078
Aha. We can disregard westphillywarrior prior comments. After reading Penn's posts over the years, Penn BB fans are by a large an extension of Philadelphia sport fans. By definition, Freud would have a field day. You may well be right that it will be a competitive game with 3s' deciding it but it might turn out to be a blow out for either team. Vegas always has reasons as to establishing betting lines. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3770 |
01-05-18 10:58 AM - Post#242096
This is nice. It's been quite awhile since Penn and Princeton fans have talked smack like this. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
01-05-18 11:22 AM - Post#242108
If the first post I read tomorrow morning is a whine about officiating, I'll be a happy guy. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3770 |
01-05-18 11:38 AM - Post#242112
It now looks like all the whining will have to be postponed until Sunday. I don't know who's going to be whining about what, but I'll bet a body part that somebody's going to be whining about something. Kvetching is the one constant of Ivy basketball. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
01-05-18 11:49 AM - Post#242117
Friday night, no game. Looks like an evening at home with martinis and Meow Mix. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
01-05-18 12:07 PM - Post#242125
What's the temp out there in the Mexican desert? |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1345 
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01-05-18 12:07 PM - Post#242126
I'll bet a body part that somebody's going to be whining about something. That's a hard bet to evaluate. Some Penn guys are known for excessively touting body part size. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
01-05-18 12:20 PM - Post#242130
Sunny, mid 70s, light breezes diluting the smoke from burning garbage. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
01-05-18 12:29 PM - Post#242132
That burning garbage haze is just part of the majesty of your home |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-05-18 03:22 PM - Post#242173
Amateur hour??? JV high school game follows tomorrow's doubleheader at the historic Palestra. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
01-05-18 04:30 PM - Post#242188
Makes me sentimental about the drive through Philadelphia. 
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
01-05-18 04:41 PM - Post#242189
Although oddly enough, his face has a distinctive orange hue to it. Let's call this one a wash and move on.
I'll bet a body part that somebody's going to be whining about something. That's a hard bet to evaluate. Some Penn guys are known for excessively touting body part size. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
01-05-18 04:42 PM - Post#242190
The air is as clean here now as in Princeton. I too remember the odor of the Schuylkill with raw sewage during rainstorms and the polluted haze that existed 40 years ago. But not now. You should visit some time. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
01-05-18 05:27 PM - Post#242198
Why let reality clutter up my recollections? Soooo yesterday! |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
01-05-18 05:36 PM - Post#242199
Yeah, I can see myself in 10 years watching the garbage fires and listening to Jimmy Buffett... |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
01-05-18 07:30 PM - Post#242204
All the garbage and dead grass has burned now. Sky has cleared 🌞 with just enough clouds to make a colorful sunset for an evening kayak and Marguerita🌵 Say, what's this I hear about the ugly weather up there? !Salud y buenas noches!🌴 |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
01-05-18 09:00 PM - Post#242214
16 degrees, going down to 5 |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
01-05-18 10:22 PM - Post#242227
Meanwhile, no snow in Colorado (at least my part). |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1345
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01-05-18 10:45 PM - Post#242232
Call it even, based on his hair color? Sorry, that's as lame a "comeback" as one can imagine. I'll bet (not a body part) even SM chuckled at the post. |
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Tiger84 Senior Posts 379 |
01-06-18 02:08 AM - Post#242244
For all the talk from Coach H about guarding Darnell Foreman, Antonio Woods and the other guards, I’m wondering how the Tigers are going to defend AJ Brodeur, without a Pete Miller on the roster. My guess is they might have Stephens (3 inch differential be damned) on him a little, and see if they can get some productive minutes out of Gladson. I’ve seen too many Geoff Owens-type horror shows not to worry about their bigs. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-06-18 08:51 AM - Post#242246
I believe that there are match up issues for both teams especially when Penn has two bigs on the floor. It may turn out that there will only be one big on the floor for a considerable amount of time dependent on the score and flow of the game. As to Princeton offense, there are two possible mismatches -- Bell taking a smaller Penn guard to the hoop as he has done in the past and at the Palestra and most likely, Stephens using his athleticism inside and outside. Penn does not have a good match up defender for Stephens. As to Penn, Much probably starts on Brodeur and if he has trouble, Stephens will take on Brodeur and Bell will move over to Betley with Young taking a smaller guard. Penn two small guards may be an issue as one of them will be quicker than Bell but Bell has long arms to recover. Rothschild and Brodeur on the floor may mean Much and Arirguzoh/Brennan on the floor at the same time although Mitch may elect to go with Schweiger against Rothschild. I would not be surprised if Stephens, viewed as the shutdown defender, guards Betley for a good portion of the game. At the end of the day, the two key players that may well decide the outcome are Stephens and Betley. Brodeur and Rothschild might create issues defensively for the Tigers but Much and Schweiger outside play may create issues for Brodeur and Rothschild. Simply put, these teams do not match up well with each other based on size and skill sets but we will see shortly. Just an opinion. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-06-18 04:33 PM - Post#242291
One down hopefully one more Quaker to go. Women much more talented. Gladson in uniform. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-06-18 04:42 PM - Post#242295
One ref looks like grizzly Adams out of nursing home. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:08 PM - Post#242304
Scoreless after 2 but Tigers look like better team to me off the jump |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-06-18 05:09 PM - Post#242305
Grizzly is not reffing. No offense yet |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:09 PM - Post#242307
Going to need to make shots though! |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:17 PM - Post#242315
Nelson and Young come into the game and the offense immediately falls apart... Down 4 |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:19 PM - Post#242318
2nd foul on Stephens with 13 to play. OUch! |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:20 PM - Post#242320
Devin Cannady!!! |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:25 PM - Post#242322
Brodeur has been checked well so far but he just strolled by Brennan then Brennan fouls him the next time up the court. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:26 PM - Post#242323
Gladson enters the game with 10 to play. Down 7 |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-06-18 05:26 PM - Post#242324
Floor is a skating rink. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:27 PM - Post#242326
This has gotten ugly. Stevens out with 2 fouls. Cannady trying to do it all himself and taking bad shots. One for six from three. Down 10. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:29 PM - Post#242330
Stevens back in but can't make a shot. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-06-18 05:29 PM - Post#242331
Floor is a skating rink. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:30 PM - Post#242333
Still think we will be ok if guys just make some shots. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2272 
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01-06-18 05:39 PM - Post#242342
D--n Southwest internet too slow to watch. Score and time would help me from time to time. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:40 PM - Post#242344
Penn playing more fundamentally sound basketball than the Tigers, who look lost without Stevens and Much in lineup due to fouls. Down 13. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:41 PM - Post#242346
Cannady hits a huge 3 to pull it to 10. Timeout with 3 to play in the half |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:42 PM - Post#242348
Trois for Jerone. Down 7 |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:43 PM - Post#242350
Bell with a 3. Deficit down to 6 with 1:14 to play. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:46 PM - Post#242354
Betley hits an insane 3 and Cannady takes what looks like an absurd shot on the baseline behind the basket. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:46 PM - Post#242355
Bell in and out and in and out from 3 with 3 seconds left. Down 9 |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:48 PM - Post#242357
36-27 at the half. Can't help thinking that the Tigers will still win this game if they play the starters most of the second half, they stay disciplined on defense, take smart shots and make them |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-06-18 05:48 PM - Post#242358
Penn played well especially Bentley. Their defense was good. They are good ice skaters as well. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
01-06-18 05:49 PM - Post#242361
Stevens and Bol with only 7 pts on 3-12 between them. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2272
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01-06-18 05:49 PM - Post#242362
Just looking at the stats, looks like no one can guard Betley |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 05:53 PM - Post#242365
Betley by far the best player on the floor in the first half. In contrast, Brodeur and Rothschild showed nothing on offense--2 points on 1 for 7 shooting between them. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
01-06-18 05:56 PM - Post#242366
Penn outrebounded P 20-11 and Penn has 3 offensive Rebounds to P zero. Max and AJ are playing some defense. |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214 
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01-06-18 05:57 PM - Post#242367
Penn played well especially Bentley. Their defense was good. They are good ice skaters as well. You'll be happy to know that they wiped the whole floor at half.
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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01-06-18 05:58 PM - Post#242368
Grizzly is not reffing. No offense yet Grizzly is either the official scorer or the timekeeper. He always sits at the scorer's table.
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-06-18 06:03 PM - Post#242370
Losing power. Good luck. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:04 PM - Post#242371
Penn outrebounded P 20-11 and Penn has 3 offensive Rebounds to P zero. Max and AJ are playing some defense. Agreed. But the speculation that Penn's 2 bigs would cause us the most difficulty on the defensive end was certainly not true in the first half. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
01-06-18 06:05 PM - Post#242372
sorry, we meant the defensive end. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:09 PM - Post#242377
I dont understand Gladson playing so much. Rothschild just whizzed by him for 2. Get Much back in the game please. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:12 PM - Post#242380
Atrocious rebounding by the Tigers. Hate to say it but the Quakers just seem to want this game a lot more. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:19 PM - Post#242386
Cannady with a BOMB!. Down 6 |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:21 PM - Post#242387
Just cant get enough stops to anything going. Down 8 again. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:22 PM - Post#242389
Now Rothschild is making me eat my words. The guy is suddenly killing us |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:28 PM - Post#242396
Ok lead down to 5. Penn over the limit. 10:30 to play |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:29 PM - Post#242400
Amir Bell!!! Lead at 3 |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:31 PM - Post#242401
Foreman is a hot head |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:36 PM - Post#242406
Much gets great position, collects the pass then takes two giant steps backwards and throws up a weak fall away. Why? |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:36 PM - Post#242409
Penn over the limit yet Princeton not trying to drive and collect the foul. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:39 PM - Post#242415
Much and Richmond copletely disconnected and Much throws it out of bounds. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:40 PM - Post#242416
Tigers clawed back to 3 with the starters. I dont get the substitions. Down 9 again |
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Vonsid Sophomore Posts 145 |
01-06-18 06:41 PM - Post#242421
I totally agree. I do not agree with the size of the rotation that the coaching staff is going with. It's time to shrink the rotation. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:44 PM - Post#242427
Tigers just cant make a shot and Penn continues to scrap for the 50:50s. Not our night. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:48 PM - Post#242430
Down 4 with 3 1/2 to play. Gotta get stops and make shots. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2272
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01-06-18 06:49 PM - Post#242433
Hanging in there; need stops. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:51 PM - Post#242434
Again: why are LeBlanc and Young in the game at crunch time??? |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:52 PM - Post#242435
Starting to feel like a Harvard fan... |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:54 PM - Post#242440
Bell came down hard! |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:55 PM - Post#242441
Much And One! Down 3 with 1 1/2 to play |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 06:57 PM - Post#242444
Looked like an offensive foul and then a walk to me. Tough no calls |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 07:00 PM - Post#242451
DC with a great move to cut to 2 but then too much hero ball on the next trip misses the drive. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 07:01 PM - Post#242456
Penn not helping itself from the foul line. Gotta score quickly this trip then foul and hope for another miss. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2272
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01-06-18 07:04 PM - Post#242466
Very absurd lob pass |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3664 |
01-06-18 07:05 PM - Post#242467
Our guys didn't wake up until midway through the 2nd half. Should have been more physical inside with Penn's iffy FT shooting. With the Ivy tourney, it's not a big loss, but a good wakeup call for the guys. Maybe a little too pleased with themselves after their non-conf finish. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 07:06 PM - Post#242471
Ugly end to an ugly game--badly botched alleyoop to Stephens, ugly step back missed 3 in the corner by Much and a weak fall away by Stephens in the lane. At least it was nice to get a couple of O rebounds. I guess the rivalry is officially back on. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-06-18 07:11 PM - Post#242473
I'll be a broken record here but I just don't understand why MH played 11 guys in the biggest game of the season so far. (Sorry, I'm not willing to join the crowd that just cares about making the end-of-year thing. I want to beat Penn every time we play them and want our best guys on the floor.) |
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umbrellaman Masters Student Posts 475 
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01-06-18 08:27 PM - Post#242490
It’s no longer a 14 game tournament, Henderson is wise not to coach that way anymore. Any game at the Palestra is going to be difficult. Chances are good that we will have to beat them there to get to the tourney. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4910 |
01-06-18 08:55 PM - Post#242493
That was a frustrating affair. You cannot allow Penn to go 22-38 from inside the arc, with almost every make at the rim. Nice job cutting off Betley's water in the second half, but jeez. Would have loved to see some zone cheating toward Betley. Make the other guys on that team put up shots from outside--they're mostly brickmasons. What the heck was going on? Princeton could have scored much more efficiently if their eyes didn't get so big when they saw a mismatch where they would immediately go one-on-one. Penn had much the better ball movement and passing, which I hate to see. (Rothschild was really good for Penn, playing very solid perimeter defense at times while moving the basketball effectively and finishing in close. ) On the few possessions the Tigers did move without the ball and zip it around they got great looks. Penn was playing to cut off the three-point shot first, but with a little passing and off-ball screaming Princeton could have converted some of their 10 turnovers into extra trey attempts. And of course, just an average shooting performance on the shots they did take out there would have swung the game. As for the rotation issue, my only concern is that some guys get in for a couple of possessions without settling in, like LeBlanc with a scattered 5 minutes. Arirguzoh could have used more than 4 minutes; I thought he gave the Penn bigs more physical resistance on both ends than the other post guys. Officiating not as bad as i've seen in the past on Saturdays. At least they were fairly consistent in making it almost impossible to draw a charge while allowing dribblers to push off, dip the shoulder into a defender, etc., subject only to a set of random traveling calls. (Penn's guards might not have travelled on all those clumsy lose-possession-and-regai n-it drives, but it sure looked like there was a lot of missed foot-shuffling.) |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3664 |
01-06-18 09:17 PM - Post#242495
Like every other opponent we've faced, Penn was scoring at will one-on-one at the rim. Only Aririguzoh was able to get any stops by himself. We need more minutes for him, more hard double-teams inside, and more fouls to force bigs to make FTs. We fell back into bad habits in that area today. It's a new age due to the Ivy tourney. Losing a close road game to a top 4 team is not a big deal anymore. Just learn and move onto the next game. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-06-18 09:47 PM - Post#242503
Walkaways: Penn deserved to win as they played harder and smarter with good defense, Donahue had a very good strategy of not letting his bigs get trapped in the corner by making a quick pass unlike last year, Bentley clearly outplayed Stephens; interior defense other than Arirguzoh is an issue, etc. Refs were fine. Tigers did not play desperate until the final 12 minutes instead of the entire game. When they played desperate, it showed. Bell played insanely competitive in 2nd half shutting down Bentley -- Cannady is a warrior. DesRosiers is going to be a very good player but defense needs to improve. They will be fine as the year progresses. Palestra court was a joke tonight. May be smart not to have 4 and 6 year olds mop floor when it is wet and slippery. The woman giving out prizes took over the chore in the last few minutes after Foreman started to mop the floor with 6 minutes to go -- minor league. Palestra was pretty dead for a big win. Looking forward to the rematch at Jadwin. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
01-06-18 11:02 PM - Post#242511
I agree with your analysis. But it's Betley, not Bentley--that's what old Princeton grads drive. And it wasn't the court--it was having 6 year olds who had no concept of what to do mopping the floor after players went to the ground. And I am embarrassed as a Penn fan that they hired a DJ company like a bad NBA team to lead cheers (wasn't it great when she implored fans to stand and no one did?) and MC'd the various contests. |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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01-06-18 11:24 PM - Post#242520
Palestra was pretty dead for a big win. Students still on break; extreme cold held down other attendance. Mrs. Perry and I went to the Shake Shack two blocks away for the post-game feast, and that was definitely doing less business than usual (in that we only had to wait in line two minutes to order rather than 10.  ) Traffic seemed lighter than usual as well; I only had to slow down below 30 once on the Schuylkill.  It could have been worse; the high in Hanover was -1, and the prediction for the overnight low was -18. 
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
01-06-18 11:33 PM - Post#242522
A lot of people who would have come last night had plans for today. 2 of my 5 tickets were unused because of that and I know many people simply could not make it on that kind of short notice. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12530 |
01-07-18 12:23 AM - Post#242528
Just be happy shake shack was open. They had been closing at 5 all break. As to the ballboys, the littlest kid was wearing Princeton gear for what it's worth. No idea how that happens. It was almost like they grabbed the nearest kid they could find. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
01-07-18 01:35 AM - Post#242537
Palestra was pretty dead for a big win. Do you think Penn WANTED to have this game played during its Winter Break? |
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umbrellaman Masters Student Posts 475
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01-07-18 02:01 AM - Post#242538
In days of olde, the first game would have been in a month and the second would have been after the last weekend of the league, and probably for the whole shootin’ match. But now we have our tourney. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3618
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01-07-18 04:34 AM - Post#242540
Tough but good game and this is a very good Princeton team. Cannady especially impresses me, so nice to finally see a Penn team beat him. Going to be a heck of an interesting Ivy season especially once Aiken gets back for Harvard and assuming Mason comes back for Yale. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-07-18 08:40 AM - Post#242542
It was winter break -- it was cold -- it was a postponement but it is a major city in the U.S. and there was a small crowd of mostly older people who were pretty laid back during the game. I met a very kind Penn alumni who came to the Palestra at 6m last night only to go to the Drexel game and he asked me how did I know last night's game was cancelled. Glorious win for Penn without many people seeing it other than attendees and ILDN. Players from both teams had trouble keeping their footing -- may have been a function of the outside/inside temperature with some warming up due to people in the building. Foreman did the best job of mopping up. Announcer for games and prizes hurt one's ears. My son who attended a wonderful ACC school at a historical venue had some fun with me regarding IL BB yesterday. Palestra is a great classical building and deserved better. Poorly handled by Penn Athletic Department from Friday afternoon going forward. Not a great advertisement for the Palestra as to IL Tournament in March. I have always expressed a preference for the Palestra for the tournament if the silly tournament is held but ... Hopefully, Robin and the merry men will have contingencies in March. If IL wants to enhance reputation, schools need to step up. |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 586 |
01-07-18 09:07 AM - Post#242543
great win Penn and the Palestra will be rocking again real soon! |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
01-07-18 09:08 AM - Post#242544
The dynamic of an older crowd that is laid back in comparison with the glory days of the rivalry is identical at Jadwin as the Palestra. It only makes a small difference that the students are on break--the number of students at both schools regularly attending basketball games is tiny now. The student bodies are completely different from those 20 years ago or earlier. I do not believe that is likely to change. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12530 |
01-07-18 10:05 AM - Post#242546
I find it pretty funny when a fan of any school in this league takes shots at Penn attendance. Especially when it comes from Princeton and their stupid schedule is the reason we had 0 students. I guess you don't watch much other Ivy basketball? While it will never match what it once was, the students would have turned out for this one, much like they did for the first game of the year. As for these awful conditions to which you keep referring, I just didn't see it. Yes there were mop up issues but where was all this skating? Was there even one travel called because of it? I don't doubt the outside cold and inside heat had some effect, and I've seen wet Palestra floors before, I just didn't see all the skating to which you keep referring. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
01-07-18 10:33 AM - Post#242549
Same here---the mopping was a result of players of both teams going to the floor. It's a legitimate criticism that you cannot have 6 year olds with mopping duty, but it really wasn't an issue in the game. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
01-07-18 10:59 AM - Post#242551
The 6 year olds are the only ones who could make it in for the game. They had 10 year olds scheduled for Friday. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
01-07-18 11:11 AM - Post#242554
Excellent win by Penn who showed the talent and adaptability to compete for the real prize. Let's put the Tournament out of its misery. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
01-07-18 11:15 AM - Post#242556
We all know that is not going to happen. But it is good to hear a Princeton fan admire play by a Penn team--it's been a while. Donahue truly values ball movement and Penn's bigs repeatedly passed to cutters out of a double--something you would think Princeton would be doing. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2272
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01-07-18 11:41 AM - Post#242561
Well played game. Just watched the replay as I was in the air yesterday and the Southwest internet could not stream it. Penn showed what I expected after watching the Dayton game: excellent team play on offense and defense. After we clamped down on Be(n)tley (just so we all know who we are talking about) in the second half, it became a 4 on 4 contest with less help available by Princeton. This opened the floor for driving and interior moves by the Penn bigs. Derosier and Gladson are a step slow on defense, and Cannady is a half step slow. Much is undersized for interior D. Aririguzoh remains intriguing. That broad base of his in defense allows him to slide, but not much of a leap is possible when his man goes up. Bell played great on defense and just shy of great on offense. The downside of his sliding, reaching move to the hoop is that he cannot dish if help comes. He's a senior now; not much hope he can significantly modify his game. I would like to see him drive more and dish. Cannady is scary when he drives--sometimes a great finish, and sometimes a bad turnover. At the 2:08 mark, with Bell lying on the floor in pain, Foreman steps over him like he's not worth walking around. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
01-07-18 12:00 PM - Post#242566
I saw that Darnell step over. And I also saw Cannaday bump AJ on his lower back, after he returned from injuring it, while walking through the Penn huddle back to his bench. The little tricks we play! |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2272
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01-07-18 12:02 PM - Post#242568
Missed that! What time? |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
01-07-18 12:28 PM - Post#242583
First timeout after AJ returned. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
01-07-18 12:28 PM - Post#242584
Mid to late second half |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2272
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01-07-18 01:01 PM - Post#242589
Kind of a Noah Savage move?
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-07-18 01:12 PM - Post#242592
Think of the irony if Penn wins a brutally difficult IL regular season crown this year or next on the last weekend. They then lose on a late bad call by a referee at the Palestra or next year at Jadwin, Mohegan Sun or somewhere else at the IL Tournament. Let's hope everyone stays consistent as to the merits of the IL Tournament. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
01-07-18 01:14 PM - Post#242593
If Penn goes to the NIT, or for that matter any other post-season tourney this year, no-one on the Penn board will be complaining. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
01-07-18 01:16 PM - Post#242594
I thought Princeton guys know the meaning of irony. The majority of Penn posters were not in favor of a tournament, nor were they responsible for the selection of the Palestra as the site for such a tournament. So the suggestion that a Penn loss in the tournment would be a "hoisted on their own petard" kind of irony is misplaced. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3770 |
01-07-18 01:24 PM - Post#242595
Let's hope everyone stays consistent as to the merits of the IL Tournament. Refresh my memory, please. What are these 'merits' of which you speak? |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
01-07-18 09:36 PM - Post#242623
Yes, seems to me that outside of maybe me and Jeff, the Penn fans all hate it. And I think even those of us who favor it do so in kind of a "everyone else is doing it, so I guess we should get with the program" kind of a way. And I frankly didn't think it would be at the Palestra, and never would have suggested it be there. All that said, I like it at the Palestra simply because I love the venue and it is unlikely I could personally travel to any other league spot for the tournament. And I guess I'll take the advantage it provides if it is offered! |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
01-07-18 09:57 PM - Post#242626
i like the tournament. it's fun. it gives us a chance to win when we're not the best team, which we haven't been the last 11 years. i think holding a 14 game tournament to be some mathematical certainty of who deserves what is flawed. but whatevs. I also think you could optimize the tournament to make it more fair/more well attended but if they want to continue putting it 15 mins from my house, cool. |
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westphillywarrior Sophomore Posts 196 |
01-07-18 10:11 PM - Post#242628
"Yes, seems to me that outside of maybe me and Jeff, the Penn fans all hate it." I was and am 100% against the tournament. But I think you're forgetting some of our other fans. PennFan10 for one. He was so in love with the tournament you got the feeling that he was being paid to promote it. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
01-07-18 10:55 PM - Post#242629
Easy there big fella. I do like the tournament and always have. I think the players love it also. I do think it will help with recruiting and eventually to overall play and stature of the league. I am not getting checks, but am glad to accept any that are sent my way..... |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12530 |
01-08-18 01:13 AM - Post#242634
The shots continue, but still no response to harping on the "skating" that no one else seems to have seen. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4910 |
01-08-18 05:14 AM - Post#242640
Watched some big-time college hoops today, which provided useful perspective. Saw Wichita State obliterate South Florida. What was interesting was that even with a 30+ point lead, the Shockers had more intensity on each possession than the Tigers did on most of theirs Friday. Marshall is unusual in getting his guys to play that hard all the time, but it's interesting to see that higher-level basketball isn't just about size, speed, and skill. (I also Virginia beat UNC, similar level of every-possession intensity.) Saw Michigan State, ranked #1, go into Ohio State and get smacked in the mouth. Missed threes, trouble defending in the post, too many turnovers. Sound familiar? Stuff like that happens all the time. So probably this Penn game is not much of a harbinger. Princeton has a good team this year and it should show up (barring injuries). I think 1Lotterypick1969's scouting report on the limitations of some of the players was accurate, but they could get around some of those weaknesses with better team play. The scoring droughts seem to come from a collapse of ball movement and too much immediate one-on-one play. The problems cutting off drives are partly failures of help defense to get over in time. Those are remediable. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-08-18 09:18 AM - Post#242647
Cannady acknowledged after the game that Tigers energy level was not at the level that it needed to be, especially during the 1st half -- lesson learned. Henderson was totally exasperated after Lehigh game as he stated that it has been rare indeed when the Tigers do not play hard. May be somewhat of a function of a young team but Coach has to figure out a way for the Tigers to play confident but scared. During the second half, Bell played like a "crazed" man guarding Betley and going to the hoop. Upcoming weekend will be a good measuring stick. They should be fine but it will be good to see that they are focused from the opening tap. I assume that they will be. |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1345
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01-08-18 10:02 AM - Post#242650
What concerns me is that this is not the first time it has been observed the team played with lack of energy. After each prior time, someone (player, coach) "acknowledges" they need more, yet we still see it happen. If the guys cannot understand they need to bring it in the foremost rivalry league game after having played 10 or so games already, I am not confident they will fully appreciate that fact every weekend as the season begins to drag on into winter. Hope I'm proven wrong, of course. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
01-08-18 10:27 AM - Post#242658
I guess the rivalry is officially back on. Thank you. It's been 10 years in the friggin wilderness. Nice to be good enough to be taken seriously again. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
01-08-18 11:33 AM - Post#242671
If no one were complaining, it wouldn't be the Penn board.
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
01-08-18 11:43 AM - Post#242673
Tournament: Most of us don't like it. Some resigned to it. Players and coaches allegedly like it. Fine. I still haven't heard why the regular champion can't receive NCAA bid and tourney winner an NIT bid. That rightly rewards the 14 game winner and gives a consolation prize to (if there is one) the 2 game wonder. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
01-08-18 11:46 AM - Post#242676
Because it is rare that a 2nd place Ivy team (much less a 4th place team) qualifies for the NIT. The playoff loser rule only applies to regular season champs. |
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westphillywarrior Sophomore Posts 196 |
01-08-18 01:34 PM - Post#242700
"Easy there big fella. I do like the tournament and always have. I think the players love it also. I do think it will help with recruiting and eventually to overall play and stature of the league. I am not getting checks, but am glad to accept any that are sent my way..... " Sorry to keep fighting a lost cause against the tournament. Was just responding to the Someguy comment that he and Jeff were the only Penn fans in favor of it. Thanks for confirming that was inaccurate. The huge diminishment of the 14 game season really hurts. What a great season this could have been with Penn, Princeton, Yale and Harvard fighting for the title. Now, does it really make any difference at all whether you finish first or second or third or fourth. Oh well. And I don't get a check either. It's called direct deposit. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
01-08-18 02:55 PM - Post#242708
well, last year was far more exciting than a Princeton 14-0 season would have been with many fans biting their nails through the final weekend to see who would make the tournament. So two heads to that coin. The Ivy League was fun to watch down the stretch with games that mattered for the entire league instead of being over after 2 weekends. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
01-08-18 03:10 PM - Post#242712
I disagree. Princeton fans would have been much more energized for their home season had it been a victory parade the last two weekends---I remember the Palestra during the Ibby years and Jerome/Matt years. They were by no means less exciting since we knew what we had accomplished. Princeton was a foul shot away from losing everything they had earned. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4910 |
01-08-18 04:41 PM - Post#242731
The worst part was the attention diversion. Nobody paid attention to the good teams vying for the title or the games between them. Instead it was the battle of bottom-feeders and mediocrities that got all the pixels. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
01-08-18 04:44 PM - Post#242733
Sounds like a case of P envy to me. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
01-08-18 06:31 PM - Post#242742
Tail wagging dog. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
01-08-18 07:08 PM - Post#242743
I disagree. Princeton fans would have been much more energized for their home season had it been a victory parade the last two weekends---I remember the Palestra during the Ibby years and Jerome/Matt years. They were by no means less exciting since we knew what we had accomplished. Princeton was a foul shot away from losing everything they had earned. How is that disagreeing? Seems to me 1 fan base was not happy and at least 5 others were nervously rooting their team on for the 4th spot. That's less excitement for Princeton and 4x the excitement for the rest of the league. The IL tournament made our league a lot more interesting for many, many more people (outsiders included). It sucks for the top dog though. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1885 |
01-08-18 09:53 PM - Post#242767
I guess the rivalry is officially back on. Thank you. It's been 10 years in the friggin wilderness. Nice to be good enough to be taken seriously again. I grew up on Princeton basketball as Jersey kid in the 70s, went to Princeton in the 80s, and have followed the team closely ever since. For most of that time, the Princeton-Penn games were one of the highlights of the winter for me. You guys have really sucked for a long time and I've missed the rivalry. (You still suck, but your team is respectable again.) |
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westphillywarrior Sophomore Posts 196 |
01-08-18 11:33 PM - Post#242784
I disagree. Princeton fans would have been much more energized for their home season had it been a victory parade the last two weekends---I remember the Palestra during the Ibby years and Jerome/Matt years. They were by no means less exciting since we knew what we had accomplished. Princeton was a foul shot away from losing everything they had earned. How is that disagreeing? Seems to me 1 fan base was not happy and at least 5 others were nervously rooting their team on for the 4th spot. That's less excitement for Princeton and 4x the excitement for the rest of the league. The IL tournament made our league a lot more interesting for many, many more people (outsiders included). It sucks for the top dog though. So, that's what it's come to. We're going to play those 14 games, all of those grueling road weekends, to see who comes in fourth. Just amazes me that a Penn or Princeton fan could support this thing. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2814 |
01-09-18 12:02 AM - Post#242787
Few do. Let's be honest: it is just a second chance for losers, but with the better prize. 
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
01-09-18 12:24 AM - Post#242788
I definitely support it. I think it’s a great thing for the league. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
01-09-18 09:42 AM - Post#242793
I only support it if Princeton gets screwed by it. Otherwise it sucks. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-09-18 09:22 PM - Post#242825
I was thinking of you after tonight's Mitch Henderson radio show. Still suupports the IL Tournament but now believers with the AD that the format should be changed because he stated that we learn as we go. They will advocate home-cout advantage for the regular season winner as the league champ should have a competitive advantage -- no kidding. Still laughable but an improvement over the current format. He gave Penn a lot of credit for their play and he was very disappointed in the play of the Tigers. Hopefully, he reflects on how he coached the game. No complaints as to Stephens and Much getting two early fouls but it did present issues especially in the first half -- Much played 19 minutes vs. high twenties. Everything else was coach talk. You would think that the Tigers will come out focused and angry on Friday night but time will tell. |
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