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BisonRoadWarrior
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01-06-18 05:51 PM - Post#242363    

Intriguing tweet from Bucknell basketball: “All fourteen today”

Do we interpret that as Avi, Kimball and Nate all practicing?

https://twitter.com/bucknell_mbb/status/9 497392412...


Bison137
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01-06-18 06:18 PM - Post#242384    

Sounds like it.

Or maybe it means Ben Robertson was dominating the practice.



Or should I say BR?



Old Bison
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01-07-18 02:49 AM - Post#242539    

137 - don’t you be getting everybody confused now!

BTW - Just in case he does anything out of the ordinary and we must address it...DJB is Downtown Johnie Brown (MBO)...aka Keenan from SNL
Bison89
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01-07-18 05:37 PM - Post#242603    

OK, OB.
New season, new team, new dream . . .

Bison137
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01-07-18 05:44 PM - Post#242604    

Bucknell Game Article:

http://www.bucknellbison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_O...



JDBison2010
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01-08-18 07:46 PM - Post#242744    

Per the pregame, Sestina back tonight. Kimbal back Thursday and and has been doing non contact drills with the team for the past 10 days. Avi back either next Wednesday or Saturday and has also returned to practice this week
HuskyColonial
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01-08-18 08:04 PM - Post#242745    

Just in time to get in game shape for a February and March run. This team has really missed both obviously but the playing time for Sotos has been invaluable in my opinion.
HuskyColonial
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01-08-18 08:05 PM - Post#242746    

Plenty of seats available. I think I just heard the cash drawer close shut on the concessions counter.

Ok this pregame video is killer. They nearly missed two of the dunks and it was over before it started.
jkrun80
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01-08-18 08:07 PM - Post#242747    

  • HuskyColonial Said:
Plenty of seats available


Thought we were playing Lafayette not Colgate (who BTW beat Navy earlier).
jkrun80
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01-08-18 08:15 PM - Post#242748    

Sloppy offense so far. Don't think Moore has touched the ball yet.
nh2032
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01-08-18 08:24 PM - Post#242749    

The color mismatch on the score graphic is especially tilting.
BUFan
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01-08-18 08:33 PM - Post#242750    

That Lafayette pregame video made me cringe...
bison63
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01-08-18 08:39 PM - Post#242751    

Starting to resemble the Boston game.
bison63
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01-08-18 08:41 PM - Post#242752    

Cannot believe this is happening again, and no timeout.
jkrun80
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01-08-18 08:50 PM - Post#242753    

  • bison63 Said:
Starting to resemble the Boston game.


Not a lot of turnovers, just poor shooting. Well, poor defense too. Lucky to only be down 7. Need to get either Moore or Foulland involved in the offense.
Paulie777
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01-08-18 08:51 PM - Post#242754    


Laffy's sixth man: O'hanlon
Laffy's seventh man: the refs
Laffy's eighth man: Davis


BUFan
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01-08-18 08:52 PM - Post#242755    

I know Foulland is getting a lot of defensive attention, but can we please give the guy the ball and let him create!

I feel like he has only taken his patented hook shot about 5 times in the past 3 games versus usually doing it 10x per game!
HuskyColonial
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01-08-18 08:53 PM - Post#242756    

Absolute joke.
bison63
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01-08-18 08:55 PM - Post#242757    

So how come i’m not laughing?
HuskyColonial
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01-08-18 09:07 PM - Post#242759    

I know bison63. I’m sorry I don’t know what else to say. This team is a shadow of what is was after a year of maturation.
Paulie777
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01-08-18 09:30 PM - Post#242760    

Ben Robertson is getting better and better as each game goes by. Give him more minutes.
jkrun80
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01-08-18 09:36 PM - Post#242761    

  • Paulie777 Said:
Ben Robertson is getting better and better as each game goes by. Give him more minutes.


Except that stupid foul on a missed 3. That hurt.
bison63
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01-08-18 09:37 PM - Post#242762    

We are playing better, but still have not taken charge as ROBErtson commits a 3 point foul.
HuskyColonial
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01-08-18 09:40 PM - Post#242763    

Lots of crappy calls tonight too. All on 14.
HuskyColonial
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01-08-18 09:41 PM - Post#242764    

I thought the 3 foul ticky tack.
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01-08-18 09:48 PM - Post#242765    

Just got out of a meeting....hard to believe this is a one point game. I get that league games are always more difficult but at some point, better talent simply takes over, righty? To me, it is either underachieving or we just aren’t as talented as we think.
bison63
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01-08-18 09:48 PM - Post#242766    

LC has too many frosh that do not seem to know that they can’t beat Bucknell,
HuskyColonial
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01-08-18 09:55 PM - Post#242768    

I’m embarrassed. The win notwithstanding, this team is an underachiever. Period.
bison63
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01-08-18 09:57 PM - Post#242769    

Horrible play by zack. OT vs LC? Ru kidding me?
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01-08-18 10:00 PM - Post#242771    

Just got to win this in overtime and in March, no one will remember how bad this game was.
bison63
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01-08-18 10:06 PM - Post#242772    

Downtown. Stephen Brown!
bison63
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01-08-18 10:08 PM - Post#242773    

Missing key fts
jkrun80
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01-08-18 10:12 PM - Post#242774    

Seems we often struggle to beat Lafayette at their place. You gotta win ugly sometimes. No style points tonight.
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01-08-18 10:17 PM - Post#242775    

Glad for the win, no doubt, and at the end of end day that’s whats most important. But it seems far too many times this kind of play happens and it is always brushed off like it is an anomaly. Even with the injuries Bucknell has a lot of quality experience on the floor but seems to not be able to put it all together. I keep hoping for sustained excellence but it doesn’t happen. If I’m an unrealistic fan then so be it.
HuskyColonial
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01-08-18 10:17 PM - Post#242776    

I think this team goes through the motions. On both sides of the ball too. These guys are capable of so much more. It’s disheartening.
bison63
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01-08-18 10:38 PM - Post#242777    

John Griffin on the postgame show: “I’d rather an ugly win than a well played loss any day.”
HuskyColonial
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01-08-18 10:46 PM - Post#242778    

John has learned Coachspeak well
HuskyColonial
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01-08-18 11:02 PM - Post#242779    

At some point you have to believe your eyes. This isn’t a great team. Maybe it’s a championship team in a down year for the PL but it isn’t what any of us thought it would be.
bison63
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01-08-18 11:11 PM - Post#242780    

Too many games like this. 17 games to get over .500, and almost did not make it. This team will lose some more. do not think that brutal schedule was a good thing.
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01-08-18 11:17 PM - Post#242781    

I get the whole “rather win ugly than lose pretty” stuff. Like I said, the win is the most important thing. But if anyone for a second believes the coaches (and probably the players) are satisfied with games like Boston or tonite or the St. Joe’s game or any other less than stellar performance, you are sadly mistaken.
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01-08-18 11:21 PM - Post#242783    

I'll be very interested to see this team with Mackenzie and Toomer back. I'm sure they will be rusty but I'm hoping to see more spark and energy. But what I'm really hoping to see is some additional quality three point shooting.
BisonRoadWarrior
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01-08-18 11:40 PM - Post#242785    

I remember us needing OT to escape a lowly Lafayette team a couple years ago. I'll take every W and move on to the next game.

I thought there were a few instances where Zach was a little too pre-determined to shoot the ball no matter what, including the play that led to the traveling call at the end of regulation.

I wonder if Sestina's hip is bugging him again.

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01-09-18 12:57 AM - Post#242789    

One comment. The Bison committed a defensive blunder at the end of regulation. In the final few seconds, leading by three, they had two opportunities to deliberately foul and send LC to the line for two - one on the rebound and one when LC put the ball to the floor prior to the game-tying three. With time running out, it should be mandatory to foul IF you can make sure it is not a shooting foul from behind the arc. In this case, the foul would have been easy and giving up a possible two free throws would have been far better than giving a good 3-point shooter a chance to tie the game. Don't know if the blame goes to the coaches for not preparing them to foul if the clock got close to zero or if it goes to the players for not doing what they were supposed to do.



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01-09-18 09:52 AM - Post#242795    

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
I remember us needing OT to escape a lowly Lafayette team a couple years ago. I'll take every W and move on to the next game.



Amen BRW. Lehigh @ home on Thursday.
bison63
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01-09-18 10:29 AM - Post#242796    

LC actually seems to have improved greatly from earlier this season, and given their youth that trend likely continues. That said it is not really about them being better than expected, it is about us not playing as well as we should. It has happened all too often this season.

Again, I am confounded by the lack of a TO call when we are being run off the court.
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01-09-18 10:52 AM - Post#242797    

  • bison63 Said:


Again, I am confounded by the lack of a TO call when we are being run off the court.




Agree. ND seems overly insistent on hoarding the first half use-it-or-lose-it timeout 'til the final minute of the half. I think it's more valuable when employed to stop an opponent's run than it is planning a final shot of the half.



HoleinOne
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01-09-18 11:06 AM - Post#242799    

Question for those who watched past few games. Appears that Thomas and Nana getting doubled yet no one seems to have stepped up to take pressure off. In the past great days of McNaughton and Muscala, Bison had shooters to make other teams spread the floor. Is anyone stepped up to play that role?
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01-09-18 11:25 AM - Post#242801    

  • HoleinOne Said:
Question for those who watched past few games. Appears that Thomas and Nana getting doubled yet no one seems to have stepped up to take pressure off. In the past great days of McNaughton and Muscala, Bison had shooters to make other teams spread the floor. Is anyone stepped up to play that role?




Depends on the game. At Army, a lot of guys stepped up: Moore 17 points, Sotos 13 points, Robertson 11 points, Jones 7 - plus Brown with 19. Last night, other than Thomas and Foulland, only Brown put up a lot of points (19), although his shooting - like most of the team - was not very consistent. Don't know if it was mentioned earlier in the thread that the winning basket was his 1000th career point.

One difference between last night and Army is that, while LC focused on Nana and Zach, they didn't do it nearly to the extreme that Army did. Another difference is that at Army, the other players mad a high pct of their open shots. Last night they didn't.



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01-09-18 11:29 AM - Post#242802    

  • bison63 Said:
LC actually seems to have improved greatly from earlier this season, and given their youth that trend likely continues.




Agree completely. Look at their four PL games:

- Lost by five to Lehigh after leading for much of the game.

- Beat Holy Cross by 12 points.

- Beat Colgate (2-0 in PL at that point) on the road.

- Took Bucknell to OT.

Seems like they will beat a few first division teams as the season progresses.



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01-09-18 12:14 PM - Post#242803    

  • bison63 Said:

Again, I am confounded by the lack of a TO call when we are being run off the court.

He called one when the margin reached just six points, at 5:50 in the first half. At the time, I actually thought that was maybe too quick. In any event, it was quicker than he normally calls them.

I guess you guys are saying you wanted yet another one when the lead reached 10 or 13 soon after that?
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01-09-18 01:17 PM - Post#242805    

  • HuskyColonial Said:
The win notwithstanding, this team is an underachiever. Period.



Husky, I was thinking the same thing throughout the entire game. At some point, the head coach and the seniors need to light a fire under everybody's backsides. This team has too much talent to play so poorly.

Also, I might be opening a can of worms, but Lafayette is the whitest team that I have ever seen. Do they have a difficult time recruiting?
New season, new team, new dream . . .

Bison137
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01-09-18 01:28 PM - Post#242806    

I'm not going to get too disappointed about the Bison performance until I see how they play with a healthy Kimbal Mackenzie and a healthy Avi Toomer. I think we sometimes forget how valuable those two were last year. Kimbal was the ONLY soph (or freshman) of all the PL teams to make All-PL. By that standard, he could be regarded as the league's best sophomore. And Avi was nationally ranked in steals and generally played really good defense against wings who the Bison have struggled to defend in his absence. Also was able to create shots when necessary and had a 55% effective FG pct.

I think we will see a significantly stronger Bison team in February.



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01-09-18 01:36 PM - Post#242807    

  • Bison137 Said:
I'm not going to get too disappointed about the Bison performance until I see how they play with a healthy Kimbal Mackenzie and a healthy Avi Toomer.

Good point. I was thinking last night as I read some of the despairing posts here that it must be a testament to our depth that so many people expect us to be romping through the league while missing two starters.
atlantabison
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01-09-18 02:15 PM - Post#242811    

Folks we are not Duke! We just won a road game in the conference and are tied for First place. The sky is not falling. I for one am in the there's no such thing as a bad road win camp.
Ray Bucknell!

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01-09-18 02:58 PM - Post#242813    

  • Bison137 Said:
One comment. The Bison committed a defensive blunder at the end of regulation. In the final few seconds, leading by three, they had two opportunities to deliberately foul and send LC to the line for two - one on the rebound and one when LC put the ball to the floor prior to the game-tying three. With time running out, it should be mandatory to foul IF you can make sure it is not a shooting foul from behind the arc. In this case, the foul would have been easy and giving up a possible two free throws would have been far better than giving a good 3-point shooter a chance to tie the game. Don't know if the blame goes to the coaches for not preparing them to foul if the clock got close to zero or if it goes to the players for not doing what they were supposed to do.





Just watched the replay. The Bison defensive blunder was even more egregious than I thought. They had Petrie dribbling the ball with his back to the basket with just over two seconds left. Mandatory to foul him at that point and send him to the line for two shots - trailing by three.



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01-09-18 03:08 PM - Post#242815    

You say "mandatory," but it must be said that many (perhaps even most?) coaches don't subscribe to the school of thought that says foul the other team if you're up by a three-point margin in the waning seconds.

Bison137
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01-09-18 03:25 PM - Post#242816    

All NBA teams and many of the better-coached college teams foul IF they can foul in the final 1-4 seconds with no risk of a 3-shot foul. It has been proven by many analyses that the teams that don't foul in these situations are making a major mistake. The reason appears to be the the coaches are so afraid of the 1% of the time when it may not work that they accept the other team making a tying shot 25% of the time.

I think the fact that it is normal practice in the NBA - where there are far more analytics and much more advanced thinking - speaks to the necessity of fouling that late in the game up three.




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01-09-18 07:21 PM - Post#242822    

137 - I realize you have qualified your post by saying 1-4 seconds. The distinction I see is that LU was out of TO"s. I don't think it was appealing for ND to stop the clock for them under any circumstance. There are two dangers; one, he sees the wrap up coming, shoots at the same time and the ref gives them the homer call that he drew the foul in the act. Two, he converts the two FT's and you can't inbound in 5 ticks and the holocaust outcome changes from OT to a potential loss. Imagine the Tuesday morning QBing on that! The really uncanny thing was it was a replay of the HC action when we were forced into OT at Sojka in the PL. Tough call either way...damned if you do
Old Bison
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01-09-18 07:25 PM - Post#242823    

I don't know how you watch replays so I can't see the final play in regulation. If anything appeared egregious in my estimation it was why BM didn't pickup Petrie earlier on the first attempt. They inbounded at 12 ticks and the kid dribbled up and took a three from two feet behind the line. Am I wrong in that from someone who has access to the replay? Can anyone post a link to that segment of the archive? Love to see again
jkrun80
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01-09-18 08:11 PM - Post#242824    

Here is a link to the full game replay. https://watchstadium.com/live/bucknell-at-lafa yett...

I'm no expert, but I'm with 137 on this one. Definitely should have fouled after the first miss.
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01-09-18 10:04 PM - Post#242826    

  • Old Bison Said:
137 - I realize you have qualified your post by saying 1-4 seconds. The distinction I see is that LU was out of TO"s. I don't think it was appealing for ND to stop the clock for them under any circumstance. There are two dangers; one, he sees the wrap up coming, shoots at the same time and the ref gives them the homer call that he drew the foul in the act. Two, he converts the two FT's and you can't inbound in 5 ticks and the holocaust outcome changes from OT to a potential loss. Imagine the Tuesday morning QBing on that! The really uncanny thing was it was a replay of the HC action when we were forced into OT at Sojka in the PL. Tough call either way...damned if you do



First, to set the stage: Lafayette still had one timeout left. Each team gets one timeout added for the OT. Bucknell at that point had three timeouts left.

Your first scenario is why I said there were two specific opportunities to foul when they couldn't take a shot, i.e. first when LC was grabbing the rebound facing away from the basket; and secondly, when Petrie was in the middle of a dribble with the ball not in his hand. However if you foul when they are inside the arc - as was the case just after the rebound - it is fine as long as they don't have a makeable shot.

As for the second scenario, two comments: First, Bucknell has been very good inbounding the ball against the press this year; Second, BU had timeouts left, so they would be able to draw up an inbound play; and third, if they got in trouble on the inbound, they could take another timeout. (And even another one.) Or they would just have to lob a high pass past midcourt. The odds of LC intercepting a pass 50 feet from the basket and immediately releasing a successfull shot is remote.

I'll just repeat that virtually every NBA team fouls in that situation once the clock is down to five or fewer seconds. Stan Van Gundy says the magic number is six seconds. Phil Jackson says it is five seconds. But for virtually every coach, it is no less than four seconds.

Two other factors are (a) the foul must be committed when the other team has no chance to launch a three as the foul occurs; and (b) your team must have competent rebounders in the two interior spots on the free throws. Bucknell has two of the league's top three rebounders.

Btw, I'm told that BU wanted to foul Champion intentionally when he corralled the airball, but no-one was able to get to him.



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01-09-18 10:09 PM - Post#242827    

  • Old Bison Said:
I don't know how you watch replays so I can't see the final play in regulation. If anything appeared egregious in my estimation it was why BM didn't pickup Petrie earlier on the first attempt. They inbounded at 12 ticks and the kid dribbled up and took a three from two feet behind the line. Am I wrong in that from someone who has access to the replay? Can anyone post a link to that segment of the archive? Love to see again




The shot was from about 3.5 feet behind the arc, but your point is well taken. Bruce played normal M2M defense, staying back a bit to make sure Petrie didn't try to blow by him. But at that point, with just under 8 seconds left, defending the three should be, by far, the major consideration.

Btw, Stephen Brown didn't box out Jaworski after the miss, which led to his rebound that set up the basket.



Old Bison
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01-09-18 11:13 PM - Post#242828    

137 - the additional TO in OT is irrelevant - if I’m not mistaken OHanlon used up his last TO with circa 1:10 left in regulation (I haven’t checked BRW’s link yet, nor checked the ESPN game flow because I was watching a movie but will do so tomorrow. I understand fully your points but I think the guy in the corner got the ball back to Petrie by the time any bison got close enough to foul him. I’m not sure I’m correct about that either...considering all the high rebounds that LU kept getting for second shots and the flashbacks to HC I was in shock. If I were in shorts and a strap shirt I probably would have wrapped someone up. If you stop the clock and foul a tragic ending can in fact result in a loss. If you play it straight the tragic ending is OT. Good pull out in OT despite a bad offensive showing. Bison bent but didn’t break. I do want to look at the D on the first shot though as opposed to the second.
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01-09-18 11:19 PM - Post#242829    

I agree with your postscript. Petrie blowing by him wasn’t the primary defensive priority if everyone was instructed to stay home in the huddle. If Petrie drives the length of the court and scores a two I don’t think the timekeeper can just arbitrarily stop the clock. Bison can walk around for a couple of seconds before anyone goes near picking it up to inbound...NO?
Old Bison
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01-10-18 08:35 AM - Post#242831    

BRW - TX for the link BTW (you know btw don’t you?)
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01-10-18 10:00 AM - Post#242835    

  • Old Bison Said:
(you know btw don’t you?)

Was he a Bison guard in the late 60s?

res
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01-10-18 10:23 AM - Post#242837    

I get the "btw", but what the hell does Texas have to do with anything?

Old Bison
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01-10-18 10:36 AM - Post#242840    

Look at you BRW...not only is your mental acuity improving, you're learning the art of subtle sarcasm. I think from reading over the years w/o posting however that you had a certain latent talent in that area. Texas again, I watched the last play three times and had the following takeaways.

1. Zach's walk was very subtle, he backed out and established his right foot as the pivot and then released it from the ground on his fade-away.
2. SB wasn't in position to foul in the corner but Zach was (except he had 4 fouls and probably didn't want to get DQ'd)
3. Bruce played really good defense on the last shot attempt except leaving his feet cut off Zach and the kid made a really good play by recognizing he still had time and good spin out of the double.
4. We're lucky the kid just didn't drill the 1st attempt from the key...BM gave him lots of room
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01-10-18 11:26 AM - Post#242845    

  • Old Bison Said:
137 - the additional TO in OT is irrelevant - if I’m not mistaken OHanlon used up his last TO with circa 1:10 left in regulation




Teams are given an additional timeout in OT. Thus O'Hanlon still had one left. He did not use that timeout at any point in the OT.



Bison89
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01-10-18 11:39 AM - Post#242847    

Old Bison, no more players' initials please. It takes 2 seconds to write a first or last name.
New season, new team, new dream . . .

Bison137
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01-10-18 01:17 PM - Post#242855    

  • Bison137 Said:
  • Old Bison Said:
137 - the additional TO in OT is irrelevant - if I’m not mistaken OHanlon used up his last TO with circa 1:10 left in regulation




Teams are given an additional timeout in OT. Thus O'Hanlon still had one left. He did not use that timeout at any point in the OT.





You are correct that it's irrelevant to the regulation finish however. I am mixing up the OT finish with the regulation finish.



Paulie777
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01-10-18 01:22 PM - Post#242857    

  • Bison89 Said:
Old Bison, no more players' initials please. It takes 2 seconds to write a first or last name.



The real MO was to drop the shot straight through, but AT the time he did what he could do and it swirled around the rim and went in. The BM gave him a lot of room and all was well.
The Psycho of Sojka
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01-10-18 01:57 PM - Post#242863    

I think at the end of the day it was just a very odd sloppy game and just be happy we get the W in the end. Now, since it is done and over with we use it to get better for match ups down the road whether that is against Lehigh tomorrow or Army the last game of the season.
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01-10-18 02:07 PM - Post#242864    

  • Paulie777 Said:
  • Bison89 Said:
Old Bison, no more players' initials please. It takes 2 seconds to write a first or last name.



The real MO was to drop the shot straight through, but AT the time he did what he could do and it swirled around the rim and went in. The BM gave him a lot of room and all was well.



Thanks, Paulie. It might be time for a BM right now . . .
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01-10-18 04:22 PM - Post#242905    

137 - CORRECT! If the other team has no time outs and you're playing from 12.8 tics down and your up three it's malpractice to stop the clock for them. My response gave you leeway because you qualified your post with "from 1-4 seconds" and that is an important distinction in this application because there was a follow-up chance and 2 opportunities to foul. However, if you don't foul YOU CANT LOSE...holocaust result is OT. I'm seeing your distinctions but you were missing mine because we were still in regulation.



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