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PennFan10
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01-10-18 03:47 PM - Post#242887    

Big game this week. Cornell presents some matchup problems we have not faced this year. Matt Morgan, Stone Gettings and Steve Julian. They have two bigs who can (potentiall) match up with ours and they have an elite scorer in Morgan. Morgan and Gettings are top 5 scorers in the league and Julian is the top rebounder and shot blocker (plays almost 30 min a game).

Cornell hasn't played well on the road (2-6 vs 4-1 at home) yet they will be well aware of how poorly they played last year in the Palestra. The guys need to come out on their game.
palestra38
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01-10-18 03:55 PM - Post#242889    

We've done well against Morgan in the past---although he seems to have really stepped up his game offensively this year. Weak defensive player--gotta make him work on the defensive end. As long as we keep him under control, I feel pretty good about this one. I am more concerned with Smith of Columbia.
penn nation
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01-10-18 04:13 PM - Post#242898    

The only thing better than beating one coaching ex-Tiger is to beat a second in a week's time.
penn nation
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01-10-18 04:15 PM - Post#242899    

  • palestra38 Said:
I am more concerned with Smith of Columbia.



Seconded. As much as Cannady or Bell can go off, Smith--when on--is even more dangerous.

SomeGuy
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01-10-18 05:32 PM - Post#242913    

Um, Mike Smith has scored 25 points in a game 4 times in his career, and never more than 28.

Matt Morgan has averaged 25 per game this year. He’s done it twice in 4 games against Penn.

He also does it while paradoxically having a higher ORAT than Smith and a higher usage rate.

The question is defense, of course, but that is Smith’s weakness, too.

Both very good players of course. But i’d take Morgan, and i’m Not sure there is a particularly good statistical or visual argument for Smith.
palestra38
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01-10-18 05:46 PM - Post#242914    

How about that 20-1 number Smith to Foreman last year at Levien? Morgan really has never beaten us like that, although he has scored 28 and 26 against us in losses. We have beaten Cornell 9 straight times--even when guys like Henry Brooks and DNH were running in slow motion up and down the court. Columbia has been much tougher on us.


TheLine
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01-10-18 09:05 PM - Post#242926    

Matt Morgan scares the crap out of me. Every time I see him play he lights it up. I will likely not watch the Cornell game for just that reason.

penn nation
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01-10-18 09:59 PM - Post#242937    

Cambridge on Brown is going to be a 4 year handful--very, very scary.
SomeGuy
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01-11-18 09:44 AM - Post#242963    

Smith’s 20 that day came on sub 40% shooting for the day (including 4 for 12 on 2 pointers). So to me, most of the time when I watch Columbia, they actually would be better off if he didn’t shoot as much. He got his 20, and it was enough to win. But I think they’d be more efficient with better distribution.

Cornell is the opposite. Almost any shot that Morgan doesn’t take is a bad shot.

I do agree that results matter most, and I also think that we’ve matched up better physically with Cornell in recent years. Columbia was tougher than Cornell overall. My guess is that Columbia and Cornell are more comparable this year. Cornell appears to be better than last year, and Columbia seems about the same as last year. We will find out more soon. If the OOC results translate to the conference season, both Columbia and Cornell may seem better this year, as the lack of top 100 teams will lead to more wins for the back half of the conference.
SomeGuy
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01-11-18 09:48 AM - Post#242965    

Yes, to avoid being misunderstood: Smith and Morgan both scare the crap out of me. My message is don’t sleep on Morgan.

palestra38
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01-11-18 09:51 AM - Post#242966    

You're right, and Morgan may be better without Hatter taking 30 shots, as well.
rbg
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01-11-18 10:13 AM - Post#242967    

Cornell can put up lots of points. Morgan will certainly get his 20+ points and is one of the nation's top scorers. Gettings is averaging just under 16 a game and is capable of putting up Morgan-like numbers. Outside of those two, Jack Gordon averages 8.2 points and Steve Julian averages 5.4.

Wil Bathurst, who is not a point guard, was moved to that spot at the beginning of the year. He got injured after playing the first 7 games and is out for the season. Terrance McBride from Sierra Canyon H.S. is now the team's point guard. He is their best perimeter defender, but not experienced.

They put up a high number of threes, but at a slightly below average rate. They do shoot two pointers well.

Julian is one of the top IL rebounders, but his numbers mostly come on the defensive end. Gettings is better with regards to offensive rebounding. As a team, though, their rebounding is not very strong.

Defensively, they giving up almost 81 points a game, the most in the IL. They allow almost 9 threes a game on a league-worst 37.5%. The Big Red don't created much pressure, so they create a low number of steals and turnovers.

Although Morgan and Gettings should get their points, Penn should certainly be able to win this game.


Jeff2sf
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01-11-18 10:14 AM - Post#242968    

gettings is putting up more shots per 40 than Morgan and doing nearly as well offensively.
Okoro Dude
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01-11-18 01:00 PM - Post#243013    

They can score, but can't defend. The way we lose is if we fail to capitalize on their bad defense.

I am confident we will sweep. As roughly 10 point favorites for both games, chance of a sweep should be around 2/3.
palestra38
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01-11-18 01:09 PM - Post#243015    

I am hopeful. Wandering 10 years through the basketball desert leaves me vulnerable to overexuberance.
AsiaSunset
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01-11-18 02:27 PM - Post#243019    

Seem to remember a similar comment about Toledo. It doesn’t matter who is playing defense if we don’t put the ball in the basket.
palestra38
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01-11-18 02:32 PM - Post#243021    

Well, Toledo DID put the basketball in the basket, so that was part of the problem, at least.
PennFan10
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01-11-18 09:40 PM - Post#243094    

Toledo shot 61% from 3. If Cornell does that, we lose
rbg
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01-12-18 10:52 AM - Post#243153    

Game Notes for tonight's contest:
http://www.pennathletics.com/documents/2018/1/11// ...

Same starting lineup. Jelani Williams, Eddie Scott and Tyler Hamilton listed as injured.

One side item, the Penn Game Notes mention that Vince Curran will be with Joe Tordy. The Cornell Game Notes list Katy Allen working with Tordy. She did last week's game againt Princeton. If he is still broadcasting Patriot League games on CBS Sports Network, their game is not until Sunday. Anyone know who will be calling the game?

Philly.com preview: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/college s/corne...
palestra38
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01-12-18 11:02 AM - Post#243156    

As long as Vince gives us 10 boards and 10 rebounds a game and slam dunks the winning basket against Temple, he has a job for life here as far as I am concerned.
Cvonvorys
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01-12-18 11:22 AM - Post#243160    

The "Notemeal from Princeton" section of game notes failed to mention that this was the first time all season that Penn won when Darnell had 10 or more field goal attempts.

Predictions for tonight's game:

1) Darnell again attempts more than 10 FGs.
2) A.J. gets a double-double.
3) Sam hits 4+ from beyond the arc.
4) Jarrod plays 15+ minutes and picks up 3 or fewer personal fouls.
5) Penn covers the spread.
PennFan10
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01-12-18 12:00 PM - Post#243166    

If 4 and 5 happen, it won’t be in the same game as 1,2,3.


PennFan10
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01-12-18 12:03 PM - Post#243167    

If 4 and 5 happen, it won’t be in the same game as 1,2,3.


mountainred
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01-12-18 12:35 PM - Post#243169    

  • PennFan10 Said:
Toledo shot 61% from 3. If Cornell does that, we lose



If Cornell does that, there should be an investigation. Cornell hasn't 50% of their 3s in any game this season and last hit 60% back in December 2010.

Cornell's wins over Toledo and Duquesne tell me they have a chance, but the Big Red will need to win a shootout, or the Quakers will need to have a brutal night from the floor.
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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01-12-18 12:43 PM - Post#243171    

  • PennFan10 Said:
If 4 and 5 happen, it won’t be in the same game as 1,2,3.




If 1-5 all happen, I'm selling my shares in the Abner's Corporation.
PennFan10
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01-12-18 02:01 PM - Post#243192    

Do you know when the last time Toledo shot 61% was?
frank
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01-12-18 03:02 PM - Post#243208    

What are the latest lines for tonight and tomorrow?
Quakers03
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01-12-18 03:10 PM - Post#243213    

Penn is down to 9.5 tonight.
penn nation
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01-12-18 03:26 PM - Post#243221    

The lines for the Uber may be steeper than the line for the game.
palestra38
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01-12-18 04:06 PM - Post#243234    

It's surge pricing
penn nation
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01-12-18 04:23 PM - Post#243235    

Which reminds me—there were actually one or two scalpers once rounding DRL from the north prior to the Delaware State blowout.

Sad.
TheLine
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01-12-18 04:28 PM - Post#243237    

Are the scalpers still the way to go for a cheap ticket? Not that it matters to me anymore. Just curious.

Mike Porter
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01-12-18 05:55 PM - Post#243251    

Both Morgan and Getting are very, very good. Morgan is prob one of the best offensive players we will see all year. Cornell doesn't have much depth is their problem, but if they shoot the 3 well and we don't, we can absolutely lose this.

This weekends games are 100% trap games after the win last weekend. Hope the team is ready as both will be very tough games against teams led by 1st Team All Ivy contenders.

P38, stop trying to jinx us with your comments.
palestra38
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01-12-18 05:58 PM - Post#243252    

How am I jinxing this? I just said I feel good about this game and am more worried about Smith than Morgan. We absolutely can lose this game if we don't play defense and don't make them work.
TheLine
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01-12-18 06:09 PM - Post#243255    

Cornell is a scary enough team that there's no reason to think beyond tonight's opponent.

Morgan is a lethal scorer. He can't be stopped, just contained. He can just go off and score 30 or 40.

Then add Gettings to that.

I think we start off with Foreman on Morgan. I think Foreman has been a bit better than Woods at slowing down outside shooters, Woods at drivers. But if Foreman doesn't work then Woods. Ultimately we may need to put Betley on him, with Goodman another option.

I sense a Sam Jones game.

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01-12-18 06:10 PM - Post#243256    

  • palestra38 Said:
How about that 20-1 number Smith to Foreman last year at Levien? Morgan really has never beaten us like that, although he has scored 28 and 26 against us in losses. We have beaten Cornell 9 straight times--even when guys like Henry Brooks and DNH were running in slow motion up and down the court. Columbia has been much tougher on us.





This is asking the basketball gods to smite us with like a 40 point game from Morgan and our first loss to Cornell in a long time.

dperry
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dperry
01-12-18 06:56 PM - Post#243257    

Women up 22-8 after 1. Penn shooting 3's very well. Cornell very bad moving the ball. Palestra very hot. Large fans on all four sides of the court, which of course aren't doing a thing.
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Quakers03
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01-12-18 07:08 PM - Post#243258    

I was wondering if it was going to bad bad in there tonight. Sigh. Now this would be a game that the troll from Princeton would complain about "skating" on the floor.
dperry
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dperry
01-12-18 07:24 PM - Post#243260    

Now 38-18. Cornell has had one good-looking offensive set all night, and even that was only after Penn had knocked it OB. Shudder to think how many turnovers Red must have by now. Hope Princeton gets a good game from Columbia tonight, 'cause they might put up 100 on these ladies. PS, 13 turnovers for Cornell.
David Perry
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palestra38
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01-12-18 07:35 PM - Post#243262    

Come on...I said that early in the week when discussing the upcoming weekend games.

The basketball gods understand that.
PennFan10
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01-12-18 07:42 PM - Post#243265    

School is back in session so may be a few more people there tonight. I suspect we’ll see Darnell on Morgan and Max on Gettings. The Julian kid worries me as he leads League in blocks and rebounds
dperry
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dperry
01-12-18 07:52 PM - Post#243267    

58-39 after 3. Third string has already seen considerable time. 'Nuff said.
David Perry
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dperry
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dperry
01-12-18 08:27 PM - Post#243268    

68-48 final. The humidity, while still above average, has declined enough that it shouldn't be too ridiculous for the men.
David Perry
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Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
01-12-18 08:57 PM - Post#243272    

Haha okay as long as you got it like that with the basketball gods then we are all good.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 09:12 PM - Post#243275    

Good start on both ends. Foreman with the bonus three, points already from both bigs, and Betley with one of his wild looking but reliable bank shots from a low angle. Big block on a Morgan drive by A.J. too.

The one really bad Play was Foreman penetrating into danger and throwing up a bad shot which generated a fast break the other way for Morgan’s only hoop so far.

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01-12-18 09:13 PM - Post#243276    

Goodman & Simmons with early appearances off the bench.

91Quake
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01-12-18 09:13 PM - Post#243277    

Nice block by AJ! Nice work inside by Max.

Big men looking strong
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 09:18 PM - Post#243280    

7-0 Cornell run since the subs, with Simmons & Brodeur jacking up three misses while Goodman & Wood attempt low-percentage 2-pt. jumpers on the move in an 0-6 possessions stretch.

dperry
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dperry
01-12-18 09:24 PM - Post#243281    

Well, from bueno to suck and back to bueno again. Good on Foreman to fake the dunk and make the nice kiss instead
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01-12-18 09:25 PM - Post#243282    

Good ball movement for a Betley 3 makes a 7-0 Penn run since Cornell tied it at 13.

Now 11-0 with a Brodeur hoop and then Foreman layup off a steal.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 09:28 PM - Post#243283    

Bad pass turnover by Woods; good foul by Max to stop the fast break dunk that would have been the result.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 09:31 PM - Post#243284    

Betley with another hot first half start.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 09:33 PM - Post#243286    

Wow the overhead flip pass from Rothschild to Brodeur looked like McHale to Parish with the Celtics.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 09:34 PM - Post#243287    

And Rothschild does it again feeding Goodman on the backcut with a no-look bullet.

dperry
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dperry
01-12-18 09:34 PM - Post#243289    

Man, they must be working hard on the interior passing this year. Some of these looks have been sublime.
David Perry
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 09:36 PM - Post#243290    

Does Cornell have more than one score in their base half court offense? Seems like all of their points have come in floor imbalance off either transition or offensive rebounds. Way too many of the latter so far.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 09:41 PM - Post#243291    

Sheesh. Three straight wasted possessions with a chance to really open it up. Cornell with a chance to cut it back to single digits.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 09:42 PM - Post#243293    

And they do. 6-0 run after Penn had pushed the lead to 15.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 09:46 PM - Post#243294    

Great inbound play for Brodeur to Betley give-n-go to push lead back to 10 at the break.

Cvonvorys
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01-12-18 10:00 PM - Post#243295    

  • Cvonvorys Said:
Predictions for tonight's game:

1) Darnell again attempts more than 10 FGs.
2) A.J. gets a double-double.
3) Sam hits 4+ from beyond the arc.
4) Jarrod plays 15+ minutes and picks up 3 or fewer personal fouls.
5) Penn covers the spread.



Predictions at the half:

1) Possible
2) Likely
3) Possible, but unlikely
4) Possible, but highly unlikely
5) Likely

Does anyone dispute who is the better team?


Quakers03
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01-12-18 10:04 PM - Post#243296    

It's now down to 4 and Morgan only has 5. Not good. Not good at all. This has the smell of down to the wire.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:04 PM - Post#243298    

Ugh. 8-2 Cornell run to start half. And Morgan has done nothing so far.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:05 PM - Post#243299    

Foreman and Betley with out-of-control layup attempts haven’t helped.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:06 PM - Post#243300    

Foreman stuffed again. Way too much dribbling, not enough ball movement on offense so far.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:07 PM - Post#243301    

Gettings on fire.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:08 PM - Post#243302    

Max armbar on Gettings brings 3rd foul.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:11 PM - Post#243303    

Yikes, JD hitting a 3 almost shocking at this point, but welcome.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:14 PM - Post#243304    

#%$@ FTs.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:15 PM - Post#243306    

Donahue is a terrible defender but great actor, drawing offensive foul call.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:17 PM - Post#243307    

FT woes continue as Simmons backs up Max’s 0-2 with his own.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:18 PM - Post#243308    

Just awful offense, lead down to 4.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:20 PM - Post#243309    

Pushed back to 6 after nice Goodman to A.J. dump off in transition.

Why does Jackson Donahue insist on doing three really bad things for every one good thing he contributes?

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:24 PM - Post#243311    

Trading baskets, no defense. As Q03 says, not good at all.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:26 PM - Post#243312    

Now Betley can’t shoot FTs. 0-7 in half?

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:32 PM - Post#243314    

Back to 10. Time to put the hammer down.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:35 PM - Post#243315    

Finally a 2-2 FT trip from Betley.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:36 PM - Post#243316    

Simmons gets his 5th, in not many more minutes.

Going small with Wood replacing him.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:38 PM - Post#243317    

Morgan has embarrassed both Goodman and Wood with transition blocks tonight.

Chip Bayers
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01-12-18 10:40 PM - Post#243318    

Huge offensive rebounds extending possession.

Absurd offensive foul call on Antonio.

91Quake
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01-12-18 10:41 PM - Post#243319    

OTOH, Morgan's 1-12 shooting could be considered embarrassing.
91Quake
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01-12-18 10:42 PM - Post#243320    

Then he has to go and make one.
tguru
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01-12-18 10:43 PM - Post#243321    

  • Chip Bayers Said:
Huge offensive rebounds extending possession.

Absurd offensive foul call on Antonio.



Nah, he did jump in a bit.
Chip Bayers
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01-12-18 10:47 PM - Post#243322    

Morgan working toward his average, finally, in desperation time.

Chip Bayers
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01-12-18 10:48 PM - Post#243324    

  • tguru Said:
  • Chip Bayers Said:
Huge offensive rebounds extending possession.

Absurd offensive foul call on Antonio.



Nah, he did jump in a bit.



Thought the guy was riding his hip. Call was contrary to supposed freedom of movement directives.

tguru
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01-12-18 10:50 PM - Post#243325    

  • Chip Bayers Said:
  • tguru Said:
  • Chip Bayers Said:
Huge offensive rebounds extending possession.

Absurd offensive foul call on Antonio.



Nah, he did jump in a bit.



Thought the guy was riding his hip. Call was contrary to supposed freedom of movement directives.




OK.
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01-12-18 10:50 PM - Post#243326    

  • 91Quake Said:
OTOH, Morgan's 1-12 shooting could be considered embarrassing.



In other words, he continued to expend effort on D even while struggling on the other end.

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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:52 PM - Post#243327    

For #%$@ sake the FTs. This game is not yet salted.

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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:52 PM - Post#243328    

Unbelievable.

rbg
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01-12-18 10:53 PM - Post#243329    

Free throws are 5-14 this half. Ugh!
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:54 PM - Post#243330    

This is going to be a foul fest given the perfect match between Penn’s horrible FT % and Cornell’s quick strike potential.

rbg
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01-12-18 10:54 PM - Post#243331    

Betley goes 1-2, then charge on Morgan! Whew!
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:57 PM - Post#243333    

Goodman tries to throw ball away, but then bails himself out on steal back.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 10:59 PM - Post#243334    

This is some horrible officiating.

Chip Bayers
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01-12-18 11:01 PM - Post#243335    

Phew.

Well a win is a win.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
01-12-18 11:02 PM - Post#243336    

18 pts/9 boards/6 assists for A.J. Best game of season?

91Quake
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01-12-18 11:03 PM - Post#243338    

Or you could point to his highlight reel blocks as at best a pyrrhic victory. I'll take the W.
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01-12-18 11:04 PM - Post#243339    

  • 91Quake Said:
Or you could point to his highlight reel blocks as at best a pyrrhic victory. I'll take the W.



Yeah, basketball doesn’t work that way.

91Quake
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01-12-18 11:06 PM - Post#243340    

Yes for AJ.

Thanks for telling me how bb works.
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dperry
01-12-18 11:08 PM - Post#243342    

Well, results is results is results. Root 'em home for me tomorrow, all; I'll be watching the Birds.
David Perry
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01-12-18 11:09 PM - Post#243343    

You’re discounting a guy putting forth effort on the defensive end even while he’s struggling on offense. It’s idiotic and contrary to everything coaches try to get players to do.

91Quake
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01-12-18 11:14 PM - Post#243345    

No, I'm discounting the highlight of those blocks as some kind of fantastic highlights in a game they never lead, are losing and his offensive performance was hardly a highlight.

Way to pick a fight. Go fight with Jeff2SF .
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Mike Porter
01-12-18 11:17 PM - Post#243346    

Well I couldn't watch the second half, but seems like that was for the best. Will take an 8 point win, but shooting even mediocre on FTs would have made this a comfortable win. First FT disaster bullet dodged...
rbg
Masters Student
Posts 777
01-12-18 11:20 PM - Post#243348    

A conference "W" is always welcome, even if it was a little more stressful than it should have been.

Great defense. Morgan's 13 points is a season low (Syracuse held him to 14). Morgan and Gettings combined average is 40.7. Tonight, they were held to 33.

They held the Big Red to 61 points, 21% from three and 50% from two. Penn did a much better job on offensive boards in the 2nd half.

Penn shot 33% from three (40% first half and 25% in 2nd) and 50% from two. 48% from the free throw line (11-23 total and 9-20 in 2nd half).

Brodeur goes 18 points and 9 rebounds
Rothschild has 7 points and 5 assists (0 points, 1 assist and 3 fouls in 2nd half)
Betley had 13 points, but only 3 in the second half (0-3 FG and 3-6 FT)

If not for the FT shooting, it would have been a comfortable win. Hopefully, Penn can find a way to get better FT shooting and get Betley more involved in the 2nd half so these games don't have to be so close at the end.


Chip Bayers
Postdoc
Posts 4683
Chip Bayers
01-12-18 11:20 PM - Post#243349    

Umm, I’m not the one who picked the fight.

I like how “Morgan has embarrassed both Goodman and Wood” has become “some kind of fantastic highlights.”

It was a 4-point game with 53 seconds left. If you don’t think Morgan stuffing two different Penn guys in transition - badly, embarrassingly - didn’t matter in making it a close game in the final minute, you’re a dunce.

Quakers03
Professor
Posts 7601
01-12-18 11:59 PM - Post#243352    

Just some random thoughts:

19 years later and I still can't look at Brian Earl without hearing the entire student section yelling a particular chant about him taking something somewhere.

Max's passing continues to be awesome and I question whether his 5th foul was actually on him but he was certainly hurt by foul trouble.

AJ was incredibly active tonight and was able to score, including finally hitting a 3. It really is a shot that can change games if he can ever figure it out.

The Darnell charge call may have saved the game and the non foul when Morgan was hit shooting a 3 looms large as well. Speaking of Morgan, I was amazed at how little he was touching the ball. Obviously Gettings was going off, but they seemed more intent on trying to free him up off of screens rather than just letting him create.

Jarrod's fouls, all the free throws and some very rushed and poor shots highlight the negatives, but a win is a win is a win. It's nice to be in first place all alone.
palestra38
Professor
Posts 18484
01-12-18 11:59 PM - Post#243353    

Back from the game---man was that excruciating.

This easily could have been Toledo II, but defense won it for us. Great play by all the guards guarding Morgan, who had nothing until it essentially was over (other than the missed FTs, which we MUST correct). Great defense on the passing lanes, especially by Betley, who seemed to get his hand on any ball crossing the lane. Questionable control of the pace by our coach, who allowed the team to make Penn-Duke '78 type drives early in the shot clock when we could have run time off and clinched the game. But overall, as many have said, I'll take the W and hope tomorrow is easier.

P.S., Rothschild has improved beyond my wildest hopes---he is Mr. Assist. Some really questionable calls inside against him and other big men that didn't seem to go our way on the other end, but it didn't matter.
91Quake
Masters Student
Posts 618
01-13-18 12:07 AM - Post#243355    

Try not to be a douchebag. We can all tell it is very hard.

But the reason the game was close probably had a little more to do with horrific FT shooting.
omegahouse
Freshman
Posts 67
omegahouse
01-13-18 12:17 AM - Post#243356    

I don’t post often (‘nuff said there). But, Chip, why must you always be such an a $&@“? We are Penn fans, or Penn faithful. There is no need to foster a “consume one’s own” mentality. At long last, can’t you just knock it the hell off? It’s beyond boorish. Just stop. Same to Jeff2sf. Just knock it the hell off.
omegahouse
Freshman
Posts 67
omegahouse
01-13-18 12:23 AM - Post#243357    

My apologies to the faithful (and, perhaps, the faithless). The level of toxicity on this site is, at best, breathtaking. Just stop the arrogant pontificating and unctuous self agrandizement. Share your thoughtful observations and side splitting and mid section witticisms (you are Ivy Leaguers, BTW). The venom and Love Canal-esquires cancerous nonsense on the Penn board is befitting a Niagara board. You can do better. Please enlighten us. Don’t disappoint us, and certainly don’t embarrass us. I am, by the way, not an “auslander” (W ‘78) but as a 30 plus year season ticket holder, I cringe, and now my three children (all raised as Penn faithful, even though we drive 1 1/2 hours to, and from W Philadelphia for sporting events) at the selfish, self satisfied belly rubbing crap that fellow Quakers post here. Just knock it off. Please.
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 7601
01-13-18 12:35 AM - Post#243359    

  • dperry Said:
Well, results is results is results. Root 'em home for me tomorrow, all; I'll be watching the Birds.



Please don't make me feel any guiltier than I already do for choosing to sit in the Palestra over the Linc tomorrow...
palestra38
Professor
Posts 18484
01-13-18 01:11 AM - Post#243368    

Here here. (from a fellow '78 alum waiting for that 40th reunion!)
Chip Bayers
Postdoc
Posts 4683
Chip Bayers
01-13-18 01:28 AM - Post#243370    

Blah blah blah from anonymice who are too gutless to put their own names behind their personal attacks.

In the middle of game action I praised an opponent player’s execution on two plays. I’m really not sorry to those who think that was verboten.

omegahouse
Freshman
Posts 67
omegahouse
01-13-18 01:46 AM - Post#243374    

Well, Chip, my name is Sam Fry. There you have it: a name behind the pseudonym. I graduated in May 1978 (undergraduate). I’ve attended hundreds of football, basketball, lax, and Penn Relays events. My grandfather and great grand father are alums. My roots run deep when it comes to Pennsylvania. My kids live (and, sometimes, whither and die) with the Quakers. I have reached critical mass when it comes to the crassness and crap on this board. Why must we all gyrate in the muck? What the hell is so damn difficult with thoughtful, measured, and just plain decent exchanges re: the Quakers, and the League, in general??
omegahouse
Freshman
Posts 67
omegahouse
01-13-18 02:06 AM - Post#243375    

Anyone who wants to confront me for being too outspoken about the current negative energy on this board, or for being a dithering apostate, we sit in Sec. 104, row 2, seats 5 and 6 (perfect seats to remind Mitch Henderson that he might consider paying a visit to Jay Wright’s tailor!!). Please stop by and chat about Quaker glories past, current, and upcoming. My wife is a Penn State grad, so be prepared to defend the merits (and limited demerits) of IL football (my wife is Ali, BTW, and she has become a huuuuuge Penn, Big Five, and IL fan). She’d love to meet you and chat you up!!
Chip Bayers
Postdoc
Posts 4683
Chip Bayers
01-13-18 02:12 AM - Post#243376    

I totally agree Sam.

I’m very sorry I forced Quaker91 to react so defensively to my mention seconds after Morgan had blocked Wood that it was the second time in the half he had done that to a Penn player on the break.

Sure, an unusual occurrence had been repeated, but it was unacceptable for me to note that in the course of game action. It obviously needed to be snarked at by Quaker91 pointing out how equally embarrassing Morgan’s 1-12 shooting on offense had been to that point. Because quid pro quo and cogito ergo sum.

Seriously, I will never, ever again note something positive done by an opponent. As I said, verboten.

omegahouse
Freshman
Posts 67
omegahouse
01-13-18 02:41 AM - Post#243378    

Chip,
Far be it for me to weigh in on particular posts. You have been a long time (and, perhaps, like many of us in the “silent majority/minority/peanut gallery”) observer and contributor. You add much more than you subtract from this board, and we are all grateful for your thoughtful posts. I only felt compelled to weigh in now, after years (more than a decade, actually, and long enough to remember a previous incarnation of BRF) of cringing on reading incindiary and quite personal frontal assaults on other posters. Might we now dispense with the arm wrestling in the gutter? The programme is pointed upward, as and where it should be. Let’s rise to the occasion. The players have. The coaches have. Why not those who follow and observe?
AsiaSunset
Postdoc
Posts 3861
01-13-18 08:22 AM - Post#243380    

This game had the feel of many of the games we will be playing in league this year. The FT shooting is definitely problematic if we want to win most of these - especially during the back to backs on the road.

On a side note I watched Brown at Yale before the Penn game. That Brown team just might have the most athletic players in the league; yet, they don't seem to have a mix which will win that many games. Penn, on the other hand, is not as athletic, but the team chemistry just feels so much better. The passing is much improved and the balance between the front court players and our guard and wing players is a strength. One disappointment last night was the number of fouls committed but, as others have commented, the refs were not the best.
weinhauers_ghost
PhD Student
Posts 1025
01-13-18 09:21 AM - Post#243382    

I've noticed that for some reason the athletic department has made it more difficult to find a link to the game notes on the website. If any of you guys have figured out how to find that information consistently, I'd appreciate it if you would post it.
TheLine
Postdoc
Posts 3619
01-13-18 09:33 AM - Post#243384    

I'll second what P38 said earlier. When Morgan has a poor performance the defense has something to do with it.

Another thing - it's a measure of improvement that the team can play below expectations and still win wire to wire.

Anemic FT shooting is what concerns me most about this team.

And Chip - it's totally OK to say nice things about the opponents when they do something well. It's also OK to be evenhanded about Penn. I read your comments was sure we lost by 20. I apologize for being urinated off by your Dayton commentary during that game, but can you please re-read your posts and see for yourself why some of us have reacted to your in-game commentary the way we do?

2 down. Next game tonight.

PS - 8 attempts by Darnell. Colin's Rule holds. Maybe the rule needs to be amended to be a Penn win when Darnell makes 10 attempts or fewer?

TheLine
Postdoc
Posts 3619
01-13-18 09:34 AM - Post#243385    

http://www.pennathletics.com/news/2018/1/12/mens-b ...

Charlie Fog
Masters Student
Posts 436
01-13-18 10:19 AM - Post#243387    

Can we get a new play by play guy who is a little less toxic towards our players?
weinhauers_ghost
PhD Student
Posts 1025
01-13-18 11:00 AM - Post#243392    

  • TheLine Said:


Thanks for the link to the recap. What I'm actually looking for would be links to game notes comparable to these.
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
Masters Student
Posts 819
01-13-18 11:00 AM - Post#243393    

Let's get Vince Curran back on the board!
Silver Maple
Postdoc
Posts 3209
01-13-18 11:08 AM - Post#243394    

OK-- here's a positive observation: is it just me seeing what I want to see, or does Ryan Betley have a freakishly quick release on his 3 pt shot? I don't recall ever seeing a Penn player who can get a shot as fast as he does. He also appears to have a particularly high release point and beautiful mechanics. No wonder he's shooting nearly 40% from 3.

TheLine
Postdoc
Posts 3619
01-13-18 11:11 AM - Post#243395    

Tab through the highlights at the top - there's a scroll thingie on the right. One of them will be for this weekend's games and includes a link to the game notes. There's one for this weekend's games with links to the Cornell and Columbia game notes.

It's not the most intuitive web page design and even though it's only a couple of years old it's already behind the times.

TheLine
Postdoc
Posts 3619
01-13-18 11:14 AM - Post#243396    

  • Silver Maple Said:
OK-- here's a positive observation: is it just me seeing what I want to see, or does Ryan Betley have a freakishly quick release on his 3 pt shot? I don't recall ever seeing a Penn player who can get a shot as fast as he does. He also appears to have a particularly high release point and beautiful mechanics. No wonder he's shooting nearly 40% from 3.



You're right on both counts. Betley is good pro player quick. It only works because of the mechanics.

He also never stops moving. Try following him for a couple of minutes.

Chip Bayers
Postdoc
Posts 4683
Chip Bayers
01-13-18 12:58 PM - Post#243405    

  • Quote:
I read your comments was sure we lost by 20.



I mention what the margin is during the game. Repeatedly. If you thought we were down 20 at any point solely from reading my comments you're not reading very closely.

TheLine
Postdoc
Posts 3619
01-13-18 01:03 PM - Post#243407    

Chip, please don't be so defensive. It's not like I'm an outlier opinion.

I'll shut up now. You have every right to comment the way you want to and I feel like I've said my piece.

Streamers
Postdoc
Posts 2401
Streamers
01-13-18 01:36 PM - Post#243411    

  • omegahouse Said:
Anyone who wants to confront me for being too outspoken about the current negative energy on this board, or for being a dithering apostate, we sit in Sec. 104, row 2, seats 5 and 6 (perfect seats to remind Mitch Henderson that he might consider paying a visit to Jay Wright’s tailor!!). Please stop by and chat about Quaker glories past, current, and upcoming.



since we sit exactly 4 rows up from you, I'll try and pay a visit at the half.

Speaking for myself, I like to save the invective for the OTB. Nothing very negative about individual players or posters on this board even when the players make me cringe or posters become to impressed with themselves or their stats.



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