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Eric Von Zipper
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01-13-18 01:29 PM - Post#243410    

Opens Princeton -11
SRP
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01-13-18 04:28 PM - Post#243413    

Hope Princeton kicks it up a notch in defending Morgan and Gettings and has another good night on three-point shooting. Ought to be able to get good shots.
bradley
PhD Student
Posts 1842
01-13-18 04:45 PM - Post#243415    

Bell on Morgan and Much or Stephens on Gettings?? Probably Much at the start. Gettings is a good outside/in player. Interesting Vegas line this weekend as to point spread when Cornell/Columbia are playing Princeton/Penn.

Maybe a high scoring game although Princeton is probably not going to hit 15 out of 31 3 pointers.

Tigers need to come out with high energy. They should be better rested than Cornell's best players.
mrjames
Professor
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01-13-18 07:55 PM - Post#243428    

For those with Verizon FiOS cable and the sports pack, this game will be on the ESPN College Extra channels (821 to be specific, I think).
penn nation
Professor
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01-13-18 07:57 PM - Post#243429    

It is currently listed on ESPN3's schedule as well.
SRP
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01-13-18 08:22 PM - Post#243433    

19-0 start for Princeton. Cornell not just unlucky shooting--they are getting smothered. Unfortunately, Gladson looks like he nicked up his ankle after a pretty hook shot.
SRP
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01-13-18 08:27 PM - Post#243435    

26-5. Cannady putting on his Steph Curry impression with numerous pretty drives and a step-back trey with a man nearby.
SRP
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01-13-18 08:34 PM - Post#243438    

35-8 with 6:33 left in the first half. Pretty much the way a Princeton fan would have dreamed for things to go. The defense is persistent and hostile, tipping passes, blocking shots, drawing charges, getting every rebound. Except for Much missing a bunch of open threes and no back doors yet, brilliant offense.
SRP
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01-13-18 08:40 PM - Post#243440    

49-15 with 2:37 left in first half. Now Derosier and Cannady appear to have initiated a private three-point shooting contest within the game. Super fun to watch the ball zip around and end up in the hands of a shooter who's feeling it, then splash.
SRP
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01-13-18 08:47 PM - Post#243443    

53-19 first half score. One of the most dominant conference first halves in Princeton history.
SRP
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01-13-18 09:07 PM - Post#243449    

59-26 with 15:13 left in the game. No immediate Cornell surge coming out of halftime. Princeton's had the better shots, but missed a bunch of easy ones.

Part of the fun of this game is the paucity of foul shots to break up the action.
SRP
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01-13-18 09:18 PM - Post#243452    

70-39 with 11+ minutes left. Morgan made some impressive shots and the Tigers could not maintain their 2-to-1 scoring ratio. Bench guys starting to come in for PU.
SRP
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01-13-18 09:29 PM - Post#243461    

85-49 with 5+ minutes left. Elijah Barnes showing even more off the bench than he did last night. Backups have been really good about finding each other and moving without the ball, also continuing to play defense.
penn nation
Professor
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01-13-18 09:31 PM - Post#243462    

Embarrassing sequence right there for both teams.

Yikes.
jeromelh
Junior
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01-13-18 09:34 PM - Post#243466    

These are the scrubw
jeromelh
Junior
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01-13-18 09:34 PM - Post#243467    

scrubs
Eric Von Zipper
Senior
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01-13-18 09:40 PM - Post#243472    

Butch Van Breda Kolff pounded Dartmouth with a 68 point 1st half in route to a 116-42 scalping of the Indians back in 1967.

That's most likely the record.
SRP
Postdoc
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01-13-18 09:43 PM - Post#243475    

91-54 win. Could have easily been like that Lafayette game a few years ago where the Tigers doubled up the Leopards and broke one hundred.
umbrellaman
Masters Student
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umbrellaman
01-13-18 09:50 PM - Post#243482    

Barnes and Reynoso-Avila looking good in extended garbage time. Would be interesting to see if either could crack the rotation.
gokinsmen
Postdoc
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01-13-18 10:06 PM - Post#243491    

Wow. No mercy from master to apprentice.
TigerFan
PhD Student
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01-13-18 10:40 PM - Post#243494    

Even better than we could have hoped for this weekend after the lackluster Penn game. The Tigers look incredibly sharp, disciplined, and loose. Too bad they have a long layoff now but if they can come back with this level of intensity after the break, they should cruise to the post-season tournament and have a good shot at winning it again. Go Tigers!
Tiger69
Postdoc
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01-13-18 11:20 PM - Post#243497    

Screw the Tournament. We want the real Ivy Crown. The Tournament is just dessert.
bradley
PhD Student
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01-13-18 11:26 PM - Post#243498    

Crazy good first half -- 34 pt lead during the first 17 minutes. The dismal performance at the Palestra may turn out to be the wake up call. Never know how a layoff effects a team but the Tigers play 5 games in 8 days including Yale, Penn and Harvard. Should be some great BB coming up. Especially looking forward to home games against Yale and Penn.

Offensive and especially defensive effort was outstanding this weekend. Henderson and the coaching staff are getting incremental improvement from freshmen.

Cannady's 1st half tonight was simply ridiculous.
Tiger69
Postdoc
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01-13-18 11:43 PM - Post#243499    

Looking down the bench and at next year's incoming class makes me think that we should field an A and B squad.
penn nation
Professor
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01-14-18 12:25 AM - Post#243503    

Nice to C you in 2nd place.


Tiger69
Postdoc
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01-14-18 01:01 AM - Post#243504    

I'm so happy that your Quackers squeezed out a couple of tough wins this weekend. Still tired and sore from last week? We'll be delighted to see you again in Jadwin in a few weeks if the Quackers can stay focused against the rest of the League.
bradley
PhD Student
Posts 1842
01-14-18 09:21 AM - Post#243511    

Tigers shot 43% on 58 3 pt shots with a number of 3s' just kicking out. Coach has a number of players shooting at or near 40% with Cannady obviously leading the charge. Ball movement certainly has a lot to do with it although the shooting stroke is just there -- Jerome, Much etc. I am not sure if it is a recruiting requirement or it is primarily a part of player development.

Even though their shooting was very good, their defensive play is the difference maker starting with the Monmouth. I remember that there was discussion if it was poor offensive play by Monmouth - turnovers or if it was the defensive intensity starting to rise. Based on this weekend and postgame interviews, defensive intensity and execution is very different as is ball movement other than at the Palestra. Coach was very critical of the ball movement at Penn in the postgame interview on Friday night and it was obviously a focus this weekend.
jeromelh
Junior
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01-14-18 12:10 PM - Post#243522    

Having Gladson back at center which allows Much to play at his natural wing position is a huge plus both offensively and defensively. Gladson is a big body.
Tiger69
Postdoc
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01-14-18 01:30 PM - Post#243537    

Good to see so much time from the bench. Very impressed with Reynoso-Avila, a high recruit whom we have seen little until now (was he injured?). Add him to Gladson, Morales and Aririguzoh and you have a strong soph group plus FOUR promising freshmen (add Barnes to the mix).
Then, next year's newcomers plus seniors, Stephens and Cannady give us lots of talent and depth. Bell will be missed. But, we shall have many options. I hope we have a schedule to test our talent.🐅
bradley
PhD Student
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01-14-18 02:58 PM - Post#243547    

It will be interesting to see how next year will play out assuming that Aiken has a full recovery with the incoming Harvard class but let's first get thru this year. Bell will be missed on the defensive end as he is becoming a shutdown defender -- Morgan two points in the first half -- Betley two points in the 2nd half. Bell would be on Aiken and Stephens will be on Towns this year in all likelihood.


1LotteryPick1969
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1LotteryPick1969
01-14-18 04:11 PM - Post#243552    

Very nice to see Gladson and Aririguzoh coming along so nicely. Gladson needs playing time and conditioning; Ariri continues to develop a really nice offensive game.
JadwinGeorge
Senior
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01-14-18 05:34 PM - Post#243553    

Tigers fortunate to get a stale Columbia team and a deflated Cornell squad to open the home Ivy schedule. Nevertheless, the defensive intensity was exactly what Henderson wanted to see. Defense keeps you in games when you get those inevitable off nights with the ball. Nightmare scenario is for the P's to finish with identical records, which always resulted in a neutral court playoff. Not this year.
westphillywarrior
Sophomore
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01-14-18 06:39 PM - Post#243556    

  • penn nation Said:
Nice to C you in 2nd place.





Princeton is not in 2nd place. They're in fourth place.

penn nation
Professor
Posts 21086
01-14-18 06:57 PM - Post#243558    

I hate the Ivy tourney.

4th place teams have no business competing for the title.

  • westphillywarrior Said:
  • penn nation Said:
Nice to C you in 2nd place.





Princeton is not in 2nd place. They're in fourth place.




Tiger69
Postdoc
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01-14-18 10:16 PM - Post#243565    

Well, our old friend PN has wandered, once again, back to our board, perhaps unfulfilled from his own. Don't forget to wipe your feet this time, PN.
penn nation
Professor
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01-14-18 11:05 PM - Post#243572    

Sounds a little different when it's being directed at your own team, eh?


Tiger69
Postdoc
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01-15-18 10:57 AM - Post#243598    

Careful what you wish for, PN. Especially, after your last two impressive home court wins.
JadwinGeorge
Senior
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01-15-18 11:08 AM - Post#243603    

Per Ken Pomeroy, after games of January 14:
Ivy League leader Penn: ranked 151
4th place Princeton: ranked 116
Harvard: 188
Yale: 194
Although, in fairness, the much respected Kevin Whitaker ranks Penn #1 in weekly Power rankings. One early conclusion: Penn and Princeton will settle things at The Cathedral on March 11.
palestra38
Professor
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01-15-18 02:17 PM - Post#243619    

Doesn't matter how much you win by. But Penn's weakness at shooting FTs makes it doubtful that we won't blow a couple of road games from the line. If Princeton can play as well as it did this weekend on the road, they have an excellent chance to win the regular season title.
Tiger69
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01-15-18 02:56 PM - Post#243624    

True about game margin. And SD is a masterful game coach against Princeton. But it is an advantage to win easily on a Friday so your best players can rest and relax for the following night. It doesn't seem like home court is much of an advantage between the P's. I'm bracing for a tight return game at the Palestra.
palestra38
Professor
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01-15-18 03:07 PM - Post#243626    

That's certainly true in the Penn-Princeton series. The smaller arenas such as Columbia, Brown and Yale have a much greater home advantage.
westphillywarrior
Sophomore
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01-15-18 05:25 PM - Post#243652    

  • palestra38 Said:
That's certainly true in the Penn-Princeton series. The smaller arenas such as Columbia, Brown and Yale have a much greater home advantage.



Are you serious? That's your best theory. The smaller arenas have a much greater home court advantage?

palestra38
Professor
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01-15-18 05:36 PM - Post#243653    

Now that's true--the Palestra and Jadwin are at best 1/3 full.

That doesn't make a bad team good, however, so I don't quite understand the snarkiness of the response
westcoast
Senior
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01-15-18 06:20 PM - Post#243656    

Princeton has historically had the largest home court advantage in the Ivy League, averaging over 5 points per game (based on analysis from Mike James). Here is one article from a couple of years ago:

https://paw.princeton.edu/article/extra-point-t her...
westphillywarrior
Sophomore
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01-15-18 06:41 PM - Post#243657    

Sorry for the snakiness. It was just that your reasoning seemed pretty strange. You were trying to come up with a reason that playing at Jadwin didn't negatively affect our play as much as playing at the other gyms. And you came up with smaller gyms.

Did you consider that playing at Princeton is a one hour bus ride, jump out, and play basketball. And that playing at the other places are real road trips with long bus rides and playing back to back nights.
palestra38
Professor
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01-15-18 08:03 PM - Post#243660    

The biggest problem with Jadwin is the horrible depth perception that makes it tough for players who haven't played there much. But as a team, we have played them well at Jadwin over the years when our team was good enough to win. We suffer more shocking losses to, say Dartmouth. And of course, the hard road trip is a major factor. That's included in home court advantage.
Old Bear
Postdoc
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01-15-18 08:41 PM - Post#243661    

I have to agree with '38, noise and fans close to the action can help. I wish we had more of both! Our home record with Penn hasn't been bad in the recent decade and I expect that is true of Yale, as well.
bradley
PhD Student
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01-16-18 10:55 AM - Post#243683    

It was interesting that Lunardi had Princeton as the 14th seed prior to the loss to Penn. The following week and this week, he has Penn as the 15th seed which is probably based on RPI -- strength of schedule. This year, it may be challenging for Princeton, Penn, Harvard or Yale to get anything better than a 14th seed unless one of the teams finishes with a very strong IL record and then wins the IL tournament as well.

Nice to see Desrosiers receive recognition by IL for his recent play. Over the past 4 games, he is 11 for 17 on 3 pt shots and he is hitting 54% of his 3 pt attempts y-t-d. The vast majority of his 3 pointers are pure swishes with the ball having back spin after hitting the floor like Cannady -- shooters touch. He does need to improve upon his defense. When Much, Jerome and the Big 3 are on the floor, everyone shoots 3 pointers better than 36=%.

IvyBballFan
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01-16-18 01:56 PM - Post#243720    

  • bradley Said:
It was interesting that Lunardi had Princeton as the 14th seed prior to the loss to Penn. The following week and this week, he has Penn as the 15th seed which is probably based on RPI -- strength of schedule. This year, it may be challenging for Princeton, Penn, Harvard or Yale to get anything better than a 14th seed unless one of the teams finishes with a very strong IL record and then wins the IL tournament as well.


The bottom ten seeds in the tournament go to the four 15-seeds and the six 16-seeds. Lunardi is right on. Princeton now ranks approximately third in that group, just behind Bucknell and Iona.

The Tigers' main route to even a 14-seed is to win all the way out and hope for a few conference tournament upsets by middlin' teams that have a hot weekend that knocks out regular season champions like Buffalo, Missouri State, East Tennessee, Louisiana-Lafayette, and Towson, that cannot qualify for at-large berths. If a team other than Princeton wins our tournament, that team will certainly be a 15 or 16-seed.
penn nation
Professor
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01-16-18 03:04 PM - Post#243727    

  • IvyBballFan Said:
If a team other than Princeton wins our tournament, that team will certainly be a 15 or 16-seed.




Not if Penn does the same thing per your Princeton example and runs the table. 27-5 is not going to be a 15 seed.
IvyBballFan
Masters Student
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01-16-18 04:11 PM - Post#243736    

  • penn nation Said:
  • IvyBballFan Said:
If a team other than Princeton wins our tournament, that team will certainly be a 15 or 16-seed.



Not if Penn does the same thing per your Princeton example and runs the table. 27-5 is not going to be a 15 seed.



Yes, I agree. A W in Saturday-PM's home game against the 80-ish ranked Owls is the crucial first step in having this scenario unfold as you say. It's their only remaining chance to knock off a Top-100 team. Let's go, Quakers!
Tiger69
Postdoc
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01-16-18 04:51 PM - Post#243745    

Wake up, little guy. That will only happen in your alternate reality .
penn nation
Professor
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01-16-18 04:55 PM - Post#243746    

Don't worry--I still think Princeton is the team to beat. They have a much higher upside than Penn.

If Penn goes to any postseason tourney this year, I will be thrilled.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
01-16-18 05:54 PM - Post#243753    

While going undefeated might get Penn a better seed than 15, let's be clear that it isn't happening. Hell I'd be psyched if we just went 2-0 the next top games and that's a BIG ask.

Kenpom gives a .4% chance of going undefeated the rest of the way. With Penn's FT shooting, let's be real and say it's actually a 0% chance.

That's from a Penn fan. I also completely see Princeton as the favorite despite Penn's win at home. The margins this weekend clearly show what Princeton is capable of and they've played like that for a while now after rough start.
SRP
Postdoc
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01-16-18 07:03 PM - Post#243755    

If the Tigers go 11-3 or better, playing the way they have since the Monmouth game, and win the IL folly, I'd expect them to be one of the nastiest 14th seeds of all time. A 15th seed would be absurd. The higher seeded coaches in either bracket would have a right to be miffed with that kind of first-round game--that's exactly what they try to avoid in their non-conference scheduling, no-win situations against dangerous mid-majors.
penn nation
Professor
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01-16-18 07:46 PM - Post#243756    

If Princeton loses 3 Ivy games then all bets are off as far as seeding.

They have zero quality wins to speak of other than the **USC game. They have lost to some very good teams, but most of the teams they have beaten have not been good.
Tiger69
Postdoc
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01-16-18 08:24 PM - Post#243758    

MUST I remind you PN that we have NOT concluded our OOC games -- we still have Rowan. A big win there coupled with a crushing victory over Penn at Jadwin should guarantee our 14 seed, Hey, BTW, did you get your teacher's certificate from USC?
bradley
PhD Student
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01-16-18 10:27 PM - Post#243765    

No Mitch on Mitch Henderson show -- special assignment? Coach Kittles and Cannady were interviewed. Jones asked Coach who improved significantly since his arrival at the beginning of last year. Based on his review of the tape that he reviewed from the prior year before his arrival, his answer was Cannady and Stephens. Why? They work really hard on what they are not good at.

Cannady was asked why the big improvement from the beginning of the year. His answer is that the freshmen are now integrated into the team and they are focused to play. You can tell how much he loves basketball and I am pretty sure that he will be playing professionally somewhere after his Princeton days -- a lot of confidence little fear.

Pretty vanilla but Cannady sounds like a guy looking to get even better. Morgan, Cannady, Oni, Betley may be playing for POY.
Tiger84
Senior
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01-17-18 09:26 PM - Post#243864    

Looks like Coach H was in Washington State watching an incoming player.

https://twitter.com/NorthCityAAU/status/9 533838419...
bradley
PhD Student
Posts 1842
01-17-18 10:14 PM - Post#243878    

It says a lot about the commitment and passion of Coach Henderson to hop on a plane to visit a 6'8" recruit who can jump and play defense.

Tigers are fortunate to have Henderson and hopefully, he stays although it would not be the least bit surprising if he receives a good opportunity. Although he can occasionally drive Tiger fans crazy, he has enhanced the program and Princeton is fortunate to have him. Good coaches do not grow on trees. If he goes, I would not be surprised if they reach out to Coach Earl but with his current squad and recruits, he has a bright future if he stays.
palestra38
Professor
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01-18-18 09:34 AM - Post#243892    

I think it unlikely after the unpleasantness that resulted from Penn poaching Miller from Brown (leaving aside the unpleasantness in Philadelphia afterwards) that any Ivy team will try to hire another Ivy coach any time in the near future.
JadwinGeorge
Senior
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01-18-18 10:44 AM - Post#243896    

I find it inspiring, but not surprising, that Henderson crossed the country to see a player WHO HAS COMMITTED. Four or five years ago my local high school had a very good player who was playing in a Christmas tournament in Wilkes-Barre. I drove there to see the game because the kid was expected to reach 1000 points in the game. The Tigers played Rider the night before and were scheduled to play Bucknell the next night. I was surprised and delighted to see Henderson in the stands that night. He did not recruit the kid but wanted to see him for himself. Two and a half hours each way in lousy weather.(Bucknell did recruit him and he was Patriot League ROY the next year. He has been injured frequently, transferred to Binghamton when Dave Paulsen went to George Mason, and is back to playing regularly now.)
Tiger69
Postdoc
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01-18-18 11:04 AM - Post#243898    

One would assume that he dropped in on his commit while on the West Coast looking at other prospects.
JadwinGeorge
Senior
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01-18-18 12:43 PM - Post#243902    

The staff fans out during reading period to see lots of kids. Looks like they are working on the players for 2019 now.
PennFan10
Postdoc
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01-18-18 04:41 PM - Post#243910    

Commitments are not binding. It’s important to see them when you can to cement the relationship.
bradley
PhD Student
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01-20-18 09:36 AM - Post#244101    

In all likelihood, there will be few IL games this year with large point spread differentials. Most of the league games may have spreads less than 5 pts like this weekend's three games. The Tigers 11 pt spread against Cornell at home may be a rarity unless one of the IL teams gets on a big roll. The Conell/Penn game took something out of the Big Red and it made life easier on Saturday for the Tigers.

The combination of Penn/Princeton on a weekend may be a challenge for other IL teams whether on the road or at home.
Silver Maple
Postdoc
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01-20-18 10:37 AM - Post#244103    

Wow-- we're back to the P/P road trip being the toughest weekend on the other six's conference schedule. That feels kind of nice.
bradley
PhD Student
Posts 1842
01-20-18 11:28 AM - Post#244105    

In fairness, both Ps are probably not dominant teams like some prior years therefore the point spreads will not be crazy and the likelihood of blow outs may indeed be rare unlike last weekend. The Tigers 11 point favorite status over Cornell will probably be one of the few double digit spreads during the IL season for any game.

The overall quality of the league is down so back to back games against the Ps' will still present challenges for the other six teams.

Princeton were heavy favorites last year in a number of games but that was a function as to their abilities and depth even after losing Brase and Caruso.
Tiger69
Postdoc
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01-20-18 12:18 PM - Post#244116    

I think that we (🐅 Fans) have run out of things to talk about for another week UNLESS there is any recruiting news.
SRP
Postdoc
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01-20-18 01:15 PM - Post#244120    

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised by more blowouts, as we have a number of teams that play weak defense while Princeton is still getting better as the freshmen improve and the team settles into roles. Obviously, the issue is whether the Tigers can play a full forty minutes of good basketball as they did in the last two games.
bradley
PhD Student
Posts 1842
01-21-18 10:01 AM - Post#244301    

After watching some action this weekend, I think that a more significant issue for IL teams this year is their offense. A number of teams simply cannot shoot. With a few exceptions, many players do not have great shooting mechanics. There is some brutal offensive action going on in this league.

Is it recruiting, teaching or good defense. It depends but it is not pretty basketball. Desrosiers comments that he takes 100 3 pt shots a day with one of the Assistant Coaches -- it shows.
SRP
Postdoc
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01-21-18 02:51 PM - Post#244326    

Yeah, I guess it is a mixed bag. Harvard's offense has been freaky bad this year. I thought they'd struggle due to PG woes, but their outside shooting has melted down too. Their D has been really stiff. And Penn and Brown are both ranked higher on Pomeroy defensively than offensively. So that fits your point. But Dartmouth Yale, Cornell, Columbia all are higher ranked oftensively than defensively on Pomeroy.



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