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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
01-13-18 01:51 PM - Post#243412
Penn -9 is the current line. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 
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01-13-18 05:44 PM - Post#243418
Mike Smith is a tough matchup for Penn. Will be curious to see how we defend him and also if we see a little more of Goodman for that purpose. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
01-13-18 05:51 PM - Post#243419
Not any tougher than Morgan. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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01-13-18 06:00 PM - Post#243420
Actually I think it is a little tougher. I really like Foreman and Woods on D, but against bigger guards. Smaller quick guards can give them a little more trouble. Looking forward to seeing what we do. Will be fun. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
01-13-18 06:10 PM - Post#243422
I'd put Woods on him. Woods has been a good defender against quick slashing types while they give Foreman trouble. Maybe Goodman is another option. Meisner is the one to be more concerned about IMO. He'll keep Max busy, assuming that's the matchup Donahue goes with. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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01-13-18 06:45 PM - Post#243423
Yep I'd like Woods on Smith and also Goodman off the bench. Meisner likes to play outside right? Like a Getting-lite? Be curious how we match up there too. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
01-13-18 07:08 PM - Post#243424
Agree w. PF10. If they could contain Morgan they really should be able to handle Smith, as great a player as he is. There's also liable to to be a bit of a payback incentive for the Penn players tonight. They took a tough loss to Columbia at their dreadful little gym last season, and Smith really torched them in that game. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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01-13-18 07:11 PM - Post#243425
I agree, but am also working the reverse jinx here, haha |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
01-13-18 07:22 PM - Post#243426
I hear you. In the spirit of all that you'll notice I mentioned that Smith is a great player (he really is). Of course, I couldn't resist taking a dig at Levien, but I figured that wouldn't p1ss off the basketball gods. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 08:19 PM - Post#243430
UP 12-10 w/ 12:00 to go. Antonio just went 0-2 from the line. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 08:22 PM - Post#243431
Down 16-12 w/ 10:49 left in 1st half. Quakers 2-8 from 3. 0-2 from FT line. Rebounds 10-13 in favor of Columbia. Brodeur 5, Betley 5, Foreman 2. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
01-13-18 08:22 PM - Post#243432
Cornell still scoreless at Princeton. Neither team exactly on fire, but Cornell is just pathetic. Princeton just went up 19-0 although Gladson looks hurt (again) after scoring a basket. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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01-13-18 08:22 PM - Post#243434
Not a great start, down 16-12. Meanwhile Princeton is up 19-0 against Cornell. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 08:29 PM - Post#243436
Penn up 18-16 with 7:11 in 1st half. Brodeur with 9 (3-4 from 2,1-4 from 3, 0-1 FT) Betley with 5, Foreman 2, Wood 2, 36% shooting. Penn is 2-11 from 3, 0-3 from FT line. Ahead 19-16 in rebounds. 6 turnovers. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
01-13-18 08:32 PM - Post#243437
Sometime this season we will lose a game due to FT shooting. Hopefully it's not tonight. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 08:38 PM - Post#243439
24-24 w/ 2:40 left in 1st. Brodeur 13 points (5-7 from 2, 1-4 from 3, 0-2 FT) and 6 rebounds Wood 2 points and 5 rebounds Up 24-22 in rebounds. 8 turnovers. Shooting 37%, 14% from 3 (2-4), 0% FT (0-4) Smith 4 points, Meisner 1. Shooting 30%, 1-9 from 3 and 3-7 FT |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 08:48 PM - Post#243444
Penn 33 Columbia 28 Halftime. Brodeur 22 points! (5-7 from 2, 4-8! from 3, 0-2 FT) and 6 rebounds Betley 5 points and 2 fouls (played only 13 minutes) Wood 5 points and 6 rebounds Rothschild 0 points, 2 rebounds, 2 fouls (played 10 minutes) Rebounds 26-26, Penn 8 turnovers. Shooting 40% overall, 28% from 3 (5-18), 0% FT (0-4). Columbia Smith 4 points (2-7), Meisner 2, Hickman 3, Tape 3, Stefanini 7 Shooting 30% overall, 18% from 3 (2-11) and 44% FT(4-9) Joe Tordy with 1 Keith Jackson reference Hopefully, Betley and Rothschild got some rest, since everyone other than AJ seems out of sync on offense. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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01-13-18 08:51 PM - Post#243445
Not a great half, but good finish and Brodeur heating up! Need other guys to step up in 2nd. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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01-13-18 08:52 PM - Post#243446
Need to take better care of the ball and get better ball movement to pull this off. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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01-13-18 08:54 PM - Post#243447
Meant to say, great job on Smith so hope we can keep that up also. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
01-13-18 09:06 PM - Post#243448
I missed the 1H, but this team is playing great D right now. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 09:10 PM - Post#243450
Penn 42, Columbia 33 with 14:41 to go in 2nd half. Brodeur 22, Betley 8 Penn shooting 44% this half (1-3 from 3). Woods missed a FT and team is 0-5 for the game. Smith still at 4 points (2-9). Lions 1-3 from 3 this half. Adlesh has 2 three pointers for 6 points total. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 09:17 PM - Post#243451
Penn 48, Columbia 37 with 11:51 to go in 2nd half. Brodeur 22, Simmons 3 (two bigs are 6-12 from three). Penn shooting 43% this half and 50% from 3 (3-6). 0-1 FT. Columbia shooting 40% this half and 33% from 3 (1-3). 0-0 FT. At 0-5 from the line tonight, Penn will need to keep a cushion for potential late game trips to the line. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23549 |
01-13-18 09:20 PM - Post#243453
Too many turnovers are keeping Columbia in this. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 09:20 PM - Post#243454
Penn 51, Columbia 44 w/ 9:38 in 2nd half. Smith now has 11 points. Penn has 6 turnovers this half (14 for game). |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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01-13-18 09:21 PM - Post#243455
Playing a little better but this was a very bad stretch, and super sloppy. Lead down to 7. Need to clean up. Anyone else really annoyed by the announcers? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
01-13-18 09:21 PM - Post#243456
Turning it over too much tonight. That's keeping Columbia in it. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
01-13-18 09:22 PM - Post#243457
Max not having his finest weekend. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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01-13-18 09:22 PM - Post#243458
Okay that was really bad... but Betley with a very important 3! |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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01-13-18 09:23 PM - Post#243459
Very nice o-board from Simmons too |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 09:24 PM - Post#243460
Penn 54, Columbia 48 w/ 7:49 left in 2nd half. Simmons with big O board and Betley with huge 3 to stop the Lions run. Betley has 11 and Brodreur 22. Penn 7 turnovers this half. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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01-13-18 09:32 PM - Post#243463
Great counter punch from Quakers with Betley 3. Very good defense lead to nice stop before |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
01-13-18 09:33 PM - Post#243464
What's the Princeton equivalent of Abners? Probably won't hit the century mark but putting a whuppin' on Cornell. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 09:33 PM - Post#243465
Penn 63, Columbia 54 with 3:53 left in 2nd half. Brodeur 27 (season high), Betley with 16 Penn 46% from 3 this half (6-13). Max with 4 fouls, Woods with 3 fouls Smith with 15, Adlesh with 12 for Lions |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
01-13-18 09:35 PM - Post#243468
Cornell looked horrendous right off the bat. They finally started hitting some shots in the second half, but they have looked sloppy throughout and Princeton has had pretty much any shot they wanted all night long. They have had nothing inside all night--surprising considering Penn's problems defending their big guy the night before. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 09:37 PM - Post#243469
Brodeur and Adlesh trade 3s. Brodeur has 30 points Penn 66, Columbia 59 with 1:50 to go. Both teams have 6 fouls. Penn 0-5 from line tonight. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
01-13-18 09:38 PM - Post#243470
Good point- Gettings has 6 pts and Princeton has played everyone and then some. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 09:39 PM - Post#243471
Foreman going to the line with 1:45 to go. Hits 1st and misses 2nd. Then, he fouls Mike Smith who gets an old fashion 3. Penn 67-62 with 1:38 to go. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 09:40 PM - Post#243473
Caleb Wood goes to line. Hits 1st and 2nd!!! 69-62 with 1:38 to go |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 09:42 PM - Post#243474
Castlin hits 2 FT to make it 69-64. Wood sent back to the line. Hits 1st and 2nd!!! Penn up 71-63 with 1:18 |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
01-13-18 09:43 PM - Post#243476
I'd just like to note that P38 and I were right to be worried about Smith (or more worried about him than Morgan). Absolutely on fire down the stretch. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
01-13-18 09:44 PM - Post#243477
20 turnovers. Ugh. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 09:44 PM - Post#243478
Smith hits 2. Betley throws it away. Smith gets another 2. Penn up 3, 71-68. Rothschild fouled with 40 seconds left and sent to line. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
01-13-18 09:46 PM - Post#243479
Why have Max in the game? |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 09:48 PM - Post#243480
Refs reviewing the play. Lions w/o any time outs get a favor from the refs. Penn 20 turnovers and Columbia has 25 points off TO. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 09:50 PM - Post#243481
Refs gave Smith another point on his outside bucket, so it is 71-69. Max finally gets to the line and hits 2 FT!!! Penn 73-69 with 40 sec |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 09:51 PM - Post#243483
AJ w/ steal with 25 seconds left. Betley fouled and going to the line w 15 seconds left. He hits the first and second. 75-69 with 15 sec left. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 09:52 PM - Post#243484
Smith with 2 more, 75-71. Betley fouled and hits 2 w. 8 seconds left. Penn up 77-71! |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
01-13-18 09:52 PM - Post#243485
Betley w the excellent phantom high 5! |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
01-13-18 09:52 PM - Post#243486
A weekend of two hard fought victories. Wasn't so long ago that we would have lost at least one of these games, if not both. 3-0!! |
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10Q Professor Posts 23549 |
01-13-18 09:53 PM - Post#243487
Free throw shooting comes through! |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
01-13-18 09:54 PM - Post#243488
Big turnaround after starting 0 for 5 or whatever it was. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
01-13-18 09:59 PM - Post#243489
Penn wins 77-71!!! Whew! Two wins, but two games much closer than they should have been. 3-0 and first place in IL! Brodeur 30 points and 8 rebounds Betley 20 points and 6 rebounds Wood 9 and 8 rebounds. 3 pointers 36% (12-33). FT 65% (11-17 - started out 0-5, then closed out 11-12!) Smith 27, Adlesh 15, Stefanini 9, Faulds 6, Meisner 4, Castlin 2 Lions shoot 24% from three (6-25) Temple and St. Joe's the next two weeks, and 20 long days until they face the Bears at the Palestra. |
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Lefteroo Senior Posts 398 |
01-13-18 10:09 PM - Post#243492
Great win - thanks for keeping me updated. Glad we hit the foul shots tonight. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
01-13-18 10:50 PM - Post#243495
Back from the game. Mike Smith is the most dynamic player in the League. I'm just thankful that he wasn't trying to force the action until the last 10 minutes. Man--no one can cover that guy when he decides to go one on whatever. We lacked the energy of the prior two games. Our guards and Max, in particular, looked to have concrete encased legs. But we did what we had to do, starting with an 7-0 run to end the first half and a 5-0 run to start the second. As with Cornell, we made some mistakes (in fact, far more tonight) but always had something when they cut it to one possession. This was a gut check. With Max immobile, AJ was just great. And Betley hit key shots down the stretch. But let me give special kudos to Max for getting iced by the refs for 5 minutes to review Smith's acrobatic shot and a foul---having no points to that point---and calming draining 2. Those were the most important shots of night. This team isn't good enough to play like this and win on the road, but they have grit. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
01-14-18 12:23 AM - Post#243502
No respect from the DP: Our star wing The correction |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
01-14-18 02:08 AM - Post#243505
Not sure we were going to stop him anyway, but we changed how we defended Smith in the second half, in part because we were giving up so many offensive rebounds in the first half. I think we had a lot to do with his play over the first 30 minutes. Overall, Darnell and Goodman did a good job on him. Curious if Goodman didn't appear in the second half due to the lazy pass that led to the breakaway. Could have used another body to throw at Smith late. Wood and Woods really struggled when they had to guard him. Liked the use of Caleb in the end game, and how we were able to get him and Betley to the line. Fun to see AJ play the way he did, too. They switched Meisner onto him in the 2nd half, and he did a much better job of making it tough for him. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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01-14-18 03:09 AM - Post#243506
Raise your hand if you had AJ shooting 12 3's and making 6... anyone?! Damn good thing he did because otherwise we lose this. Other thoughts: - This was the sloppiest we've played in a long while, so getting out with the win at home was welcome but we won't beat any Ivy playing like that on the road. - Betley finished strong and his 3 point shot is just so smooth. - Love Wood's game of 9 points and 8 rebounds even on an off shooting night (but critical 4-4 FTs). - Two nights in a row when we were shaky on the boards to start. - Simmons is going to be a beast when he gets more confident and comfortable (the fact that he can hit 3s already is a real bonus). Keep those minutes coming. Sure would be nice to win at least one of these Big 5 games coming up... |
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10Q Professor Posts 23549 |
01-14-18 09:03 AM - Post#243508
Brodeur and Woods need to learn to shoot free throws. Those are the 2 guys most responsible for the problem, and to a lesser extent Max. So what's our best win this year, Dayton? |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 587 |
01-14-18 09:16 AM - Post#243509
so far, yes |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
01-14-18 09:16 AM - Post#243510
Come on---Princeton is our best win. Looks even better after this weekend. And our team FT average is a putrid .63. It's not just the two of them, although both of them are pretty terrible. But AJ can shoot that 3, can't he. Almost single handedly (with a late assist from Betley) won that game yesterday |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
01-14-18 09:38 AM - Post#243512
This team has a vibe similar to the 1982 football team. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23549 |
01-14-18 09:47 AM - Post#243513
The Princeton win is the most important and satisfying but winning at Dayton is more impressive. |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 587 |
01-14-18 09:52 AM - Post#243514
was that Tim Chambers' era? That dude was badass |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
01-14-18 09:58 AM - Post#243515
Yes. And yes - both on and off the field. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23549 |
01-14-18 10:10 AM - Post#243516
These are the 2 main culprits. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
01-14-18 10:10 AM - Post#243517
Speaking of whom (or related), Paul Chambers was at Wahoo's before the Princeton game. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
01-14-18 10:59 AM - Post#243518
Some of my thoughts and observations: - I think the vibe is similar to the 2016 FB team-- a team this BB team had the opportunity to watch. They weren't the 'best' team in the conference (clearly, that was Princeton), but they were gutty and resourceful, and just kept figuring out how to win the game they were in at the time, managing to take a share of the title. In the last three games (also the Dayton game) this BB team has shown poise and maturity, as well as excellent decision-making. They've consistently gotten stops when they needed them, hit big shots when they needed to, and have definitely cut down on the dumb mistakes. This is new, and very nice to see. - On a closely related note, I don't that, overall, the team played spectacularly well this weekend. However, they stayed frosty and managed to win. As others have pointed out, up until very recently, a Penn team wouldn't have been able to do that. Credit to the coaches. - Brodeur was really in form this weekend. Some likely reasons for that: 1) Other teams have figured out that they must direct significant defensive attention to Rothschild, which has to create opportunities for AJ. 2) His 3-pt shot may be starting to fall. I was hopeful it would (as, I bet, were AJ and the coaches), as his form is good and he's taking it in the correct situations-- he's not forcing it. If we have, indeed, entered a new era of AJ hitting from 3, other teams are going to be forced to adjust. 3) Figuring out his new PF role has understandably taken some time, and AJ seems to have made significant progress to that end in recent weeks. I'll bet that has taken a lot of hard work. Now, if only he could learn to hit a FT. 4) ILDN announcers hypothesized that the fact that AJ is consistently attempting 3s (even though he hadn't been hitting too many of them before tonight) is creating opportunities for him to work his way inside and score. I hope that's correct. - Max is going to have to figure out how to deal with all his newfound defensive attention. I predict (hope?) he will. - Caleb Wood and the coaches seem to have figured out a very productive role for him. Has anybody noticed that, while he's been missing from 3, he's been getting inside baskets off rebounds and loose balls recently? He also seems to be playing solid defense and getting a lot of rebounds. - Pound for pound, Antonio Woods may be the strongest Penn BB player I've seen. And he knows how to use that strength. - Jackson Donahue has made a lot of his limited minutes recently. He's not forcing up dumb 3s, is moving the ball well, and is doing his job on defense. - Columbia's not a very good team yet. They have some good players, and I think their coach probably knows what he's doing, but they haven't yet figured out how to be a good team. I'm confident they will, but probably not this season. Light Blue fans just need to hang in there. (See, that was nice, wasn't it? And I didn't even make a snarky comment about their wretched little gym.) |
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11Quakers Sophomore Posts 123 |
01-14-18 11:14 AM - Post#243519
Columbia at this point all isolation play. They had a grand total of 3 assists for the entire game. There game plan seemed to be have Smith run down the floor as fast as he could (which is faster than most anybody else) and throw up a shot. And although he is a dynamic player that is not, by itself, a winning formula. For Penn both scores closer than the flow of the game indicated because (as has been noted before) very poor foul shooting. That goodness for C. Wood hitting some down the stretch. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23549 |
01-14-18 11:15 AM - Post#243520
The AJ 3 at the first half buzzer and the Max free throws after the delay stand out for me as the plays of the game. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
01-14-18 11:39 AM - Post#243521
For Penn both scores closer than the flow of the game indicated because (as has been noted before) very poor foul shooting. That goodness for C. Wood hitting some down the stretch. The other problem they had this weekend (uncharacteristically) was getting beaten WRT rebounding. |
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01-14-18 12:42 PM - Post#243526
Quick points: - Max's response to the defensive attention has been a bunch of impressive assists, especially to AJ - AJ will make 3's half the time when he is allowed to set his feet at the top of the key and follow through completely. When he does, it forces the D out to him and opens up the lane. - As was the case last year, there are few players in the league that can stop AJ from scoring one on one when he gets position down low. If he's doubled, Betley and Woods take over and Max owns the boards. - I'm still not a fan of Wood, but I do like the role he played over the weekend, and he may be the only player on the team who has complete confidence at the FT line. But please, do not put him out there with JD. - Still waiting for another Sam Jones wins it for us game. It will come. - The great vibe this team has under pressure is the obvious benefit of solid upperclassman leadership. Great to see. - Boy do I hope they can redshirt Williams and (maybe) Scott. We really do not need them now and it would effectively make this recruiting class so good. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
01-14-18 01:27 PM - Post#243535
AJ clearly had the green light from 3. He was aberaging under 2 attempts a game and had made 7 for the season before last night when he went 6-12 from 3. This team isn’t the most talented team in the league but they may play better than everyone else. Eddie and Jelani and Jarrod as full time players will make Penn dangerous. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
01-14-18 02:25 PM - Post#243543
11-5, 3-0 Ivy. Sole possession of first place. Feels good, doesn't it? I like it up here; it's been a while. I've enjoyed watching Rothschild in the post. He's patient, has good vision and footwork, and is a deft passer. He also has the advantage of being able to score with either hand in close, which I consider to be a vastly underrated skill for a post player. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
01-14-18 02:34 PM - Post#243544
Someone knowledgeable about it may need to step in and correct me - hi there, AsiaSunset - but my understanding is that a player cannot appear in more than 30% of a team's games to redshirt. I don't know if that's all games or if postseason doesn't count. Eddie has played in 9 games this year. Penn has 30 games, not including postseaon if I'm counting correctly. Exactly 30%. I'd still like Eddie to play this year if he can. He provides depth that is really needed. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23549 |
01-14-18 02:45 PM - Post#243545
We have tons of depth. Come back healthy next year. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
01-14-18 02:49 PM - Post#243546
Technically 12-5. Granted the SOS is not great, but nonetheless it has been 15 years since Penn has had that kind of start. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1903 |
01-14-18 03:00 PM - Post#243548
If Penn plays a seemingly equivalent team, it feels like they have the guts and teamwork to win more than half of them. If we play a Pomeroy 250 team, I have confidence they will been. It's been 15 years since that seemed to be the case. |
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01-14-18 07:54 PM - Post#243561
Finally got a chance to watch the replay after being out last night. All-too-typical incredibly sloppy Saturday Ivy game where many players on both teams had no legs and poor decision-making skills. Agree with previous statements that this is the sort of thing that will result in road losses because this team doesn’t have the talent to overcome so many turnovers and defensive breakdowns. Biggest change in Columbia’s offense in the second half is that they ran many more high-screen sets for Smith which allowed him to get free of defenders and get in the lane or step back for a three - I don’t think they ran a single high screen for him the first half. There were also a couple of possessions late where Penn went zone in an attempt to force them to shoot from three. This made sense given the Lions’ poor perimeter shooting legs on the night, except the zone was so soft that Smith had huge gaps he could get into for scores. Thought one of the key stretches late came with just under 5:00 left, with Penn up 4. That was when Brodeur missed a three, but Foreman hustled to chase down a 50/50 floor rebound in the corner, and a very flat-footed Columbia D subsequently allowed Betley to get in the lane for a layup. Then after forcing a CU miss at the other end, Betley hit the three in transition that pushed the lead back to 9 and gave them enough of a working margin to hold off the Lions’ final push. Best thing about the 3-0 start is it means they’ve dramatically increased their margin of error in the attempt to become one of the final four, which is all that matters. |
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section110 Masters Student Posts 847 |
01-14-18 09:35 PM - Post#243563
I know from the brace that it is his hand or wrist. But what exactly is Eddie Scott's injury? Any prognosis for expected return? |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8334
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01-14-18 10:38 PM - Post#243567
He has a cast on his wrist, looks like a common fracture, cannot tell if it was displaced though. |
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section110 Masters Student Posts 847 |
01-14-18 11:42 PM - Post#243573
Thanks. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
01-14-18 11:58 PM - Post#243574
I think it’s a ligament injury in the wrist. Doubt we will see him again this season |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
01-15-18 12:23 AM - Post#243575
granted I was there and have not watched the replay, but it looked to me like they ran a bunch of high screens for Smith in the first half. We just cut him off and he gave up the ball. To my eye, that's why we kept giving up offensive boards in the first half -- our bigs were coming out to defend the screens, and that was leaving us in poor position to box out. I think we helped less in the second half and that led to better defensive rebounding (and a lot more points for Smith). |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
01-15-18 08:59 AM - Post#243581
Well, if the key to beating Columbia is letting Smith score, then I say l "free Mike Smith!" This also suggests to me that, at this point, Columbia does not have sufficient talent to beat the better teams in the conference. As has been observed elsewhere, Columbia fans are going to have to be a little bit patient. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
01-15-18 10:24 AM - Post#243593
Agreed about Columbia, with the caveat that if the league were to break like last year where 6-8 gets you in the tournament, they'd have a chance. Also, while you can generally beat Columbia even with Smith going off, keep in mind that Penn probably loses that game from Saturday if it were played at Columbia. We will need to play much better to win there. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
01-15-18 10:31 AM - Post#243594
If we hit our foul shots, it is not a contest no matter where the game is played. Remember, it was a leaden footed Saturday night game. The game at Columbia is a Friday night and I don't believe that Smith will necessarily be able to do what he did in the last 10 minutes. But we played pretty poorly and still had a lead of 13 before we started missing foul shots and Smith went off. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
01-15-18 10:37 AM - Post#243596
we've proven "if we hit our foul shots" is nearly the equivalent of "if AJ goes 6-12" every game. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
01-15-18 11:03 AM - Post#243600
Mr James tweeted this over the weekend. “And pretty much across any significant span of time recently, Penn has been playing like a No. 100-125 team. If Aiken returns for Harvard & Mason does for Yale (plus Brown at about No. 200 over the past month), there'll be a lot of teams playing high-level ball in Ivy play.†Seems like a fair assessment. Lots of what ifs. Mike, where has Harvard been playing recently? You said their D had been top 75 and their offense has been bottom 25. Is that 180 or so? How about Yale? |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
01-15-18 11:06 AM - Post#243601
No, it's much less likely. AJ hasn't taken this number of 3 pointers in a game. We have missed our FTs pretty continuously. But I remain hopeful that the guys whose form is terrible (Woods in particular) just work on something and remember that feel. I think if AJ gets the shot from the top of the key that Columbia gave him, he will hit a good percentage |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
01-15-18 11:16 AM - Post#243604
One thing I'm digging about this team is how we seem to find different ways to win. I complained a little about us letting Princeton take Betley away in the 2nd half, and I felt similarly about AJ in half 2 against Columbia. In both cases, we seemed to say ok we'll do something else. But we've reached the point where we have the options to do that. If not for Max's foul trouble, I think we would have killed them in the second half. |
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JadwinGeorge Senior Posts 357 |
01-15-18 11:31 AM - Post#243605
Ruefully, I made the same observation last week. For Tiger fans Bell's defensive work against Betley in the second half was as good as Myles Stephens' memorable Ivy season a year ago. SD was quite prepared for the adjustment that he knew was coming and used his other weapons brilliantly. Penn's second half scoring exceeded its 36 first half points. Penn hasn't had that deep an arsenal for many years. |
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section110 Masters Student Posts 847 |
01-15-18 12:11 PM - Post#243606
That may cost us some games. Ouch. |
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Cvonvorys Postdoc Posts 4518 
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01-15-18 12:28 PM - Post#243608
Just my observations/opinions regarding Penn's 3-0 Ivy League start: 1) In past years, Penn would consistently blow big leads and lose down the stretch. This year Penn is holding off the runs, never allowing the opponent to get over the hump and tie it up or take the lead. 2) In past years, often times Penn looked like the lesser team. This year Penn looks like they are the better team on the floor. 3) SD seems to be doing a fantastic job... His in-game adjustments, his player substitutions, and ultimately winning games in a wide variety of ways. Against Princeton, all starters played a minimum of 32 minutes. Against Columbia, Columbia as a team finished with 3 assists/Darnell alone had 6. 4) This seems to be a closely knit team that knows and accepts there individual roles and enjoys playing together. Check out the interview with Ryan & AJ after the Columbia win where Ryan says about AJ "I love playing with this guy!" You gotta figure that Jackson and Sam and Matt and Jake and many others want more PT, but you cannot tell by watching them on the bench cheering their team mates on. 5) I know, I know... Twenty turnovers against Columbia is too many. Their poor foul shooting may cost them games (although it seems that Caleb has earned some trust from SD, so having both him and Ryan in late may prevent a loss or two). That being said, winning teams overcome adversity or poor officiating or injury. 6) Finally, Penn is undefeated on the season when Darnell attempts 10 or fewer field goals... Coincidence? |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
01-15-18 12:54 PM - Post#243609
anybody catch the play in the 2nd half where AJ ran out ahead of the play and then faked Tape that the ball was coming? I guess he's just setting him up for a situation where the ball actually is coming. Was kind of funny. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
01-15-18 01:10 PM - Post#243610
I find it incredible that in the information age all that anyone on this board has to go on about Eddie is a poster saying there is a ligament injury and he might be done for the season... I know things aren't what they used to be in terms of caring, but you'd think that a kid who went 8-8 and singlehandedly won us a game with explosive plays we haven't seen in years would get more than a sentence on a message board when his season seemingly ends. How do we know nothing at all? We really could have used him this season. As to the game, as I said the prior day, if AJ can hit that 3 it is a game changer. I don't know what the difference was because almost all of the prior misses were also wide open with his feet set, but he (we) badly needed that. The sequence Chip mentioned was indeed the biggest of the game. There was also a possession with about 5 quick passes ending in a wide open 3 that was just beautiful to watch. I guess refs are now able to use any video feed available? They must figure out how to get monitors to work on the public address announcers side of the court. That delay was inexcusable, they completely iced Max, and they didn't make the decision until they looked at a laptop on press row 5 minutes later. It was a clear 3 pointer, albeit a weak foul call in the first place. Kudos to Max for sticking both of the free throws with only a 2-point lead. Another win where most on the court contributed and I look forward to Saturday. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
01-15-18 02:20 PM - Post#243621
Both AJ and Darnell had absolutely huge offensive rebounds in the last 2 minutes, as well. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
01-15-18 02:33 PM - Post#243623
anybody catch the play in the 2nd half where AJ ran out ahead of the play and then faked Tape that the ball was coming? I guess he's just setting him up for a situation where the ball actually is coming. Was kind of funny. I have seen him do that before. It is funny. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8334
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01-15-18 03:26 PM - Post#243630
6) Finally, Penn is undefeated on the season when Darnell attempts 10 or fewer field goals... Coincidence? My take on that is when the shot clock is winding down, and Darnell is on the floor, the ball is often kicked out to him and he ends up having to put up a prayer. When the offense is clicking, he is not in that position much. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8334
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01-15-18 03:31 PM - Post#243631
As to the game, as I said the prior day, if AJ can hit that 3 it is a game changer. I don't know what the difference was because almost all of the prior misses were also wide open with his feet set, but he (we) badly needed that. If you watch the video, I think you will find AJ either did not have his feet set or was not in his preferred spot atop the key on most of the missed 3's. I have noticed this tendency going back to last year, and my sense is that he hits the open 3 at 50% or more when he gets that perfect opportunity. The other factor is confidence. If he hits the first one, it helps the next ones. Now, if we can just sort out the FT shots... |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
01-15-18 04:46 PM - Post#243648
I find it incredible that in the information age all that anyone on this board has to go on about Eddie is a poster saying there is a ligament injury and he might be done for the season... I know things aren't what they used to be in terms of caring, but you'd think that a kid who went 8-8 and singlehandedly won us a game with explosive plays we haven't seen in years would get more than a sentence on a message board when his season seemingly ends. How do we know nothing at all? We really could have used him this season. what's surprising to me as a non-doc is that this (from about 10 ft away) did not look anything like an air cast, splint, brace, whatever. It looked like a traditional cast for a broken bone. i didn't think that's what how you treated a ligament tear. oh well. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8334
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01-15-18 10:13 PM - Post#243671
Looked that way to me too, of course it could be both. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
01-16-18 03:00 PM - Post#243726
I find it incredible that in the information age all that anyone on this board has to go on about Eddie is a poster saying there is a ligament injury and he might be done for the season... I know things aren't what they used to be in terms of caring, but you'd think that a kid who went 8-8 and singlehandedly won us a game with explosive plays we haven't seen in years would get more than a sentence on a message board when his season seemingly ends. How do we know nothing at all? We really could have used him this season. I am happy to not report this information if that’s what everyone wants. I am pretty sure it’s accurate. It’s not my job to keep anyone on here informed and sometimes details can be sensitive so not appropriate to share. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
01-16-18 04:25 PM - Post#243737
You are our only source! Please do not stop posting news and I hope you didn't take that as a shot at you. I completely understand the information being sensitive so I'm happy to have crumbs over nothing, I was just lamenting the fact that we don't even know what happened. |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4367 |
01-17-18 10:02 AM - Post#243782
Finally watched the Columbia game yesterday. We were pretty awful - but - we made our FTs down the stretch, which will take on increasing importance as this season progresses. We will will not be good every night and most of these Ivy games will be decided in the last 3 minutes. |
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