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Eric Von Zipper Senior Posts 343 |
02-05-18 10:46 PM - Post#246320
Opens Princeton -5 |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4911 |
02-06-18 02:36 AM - Post#246323
This Penn team is kind of balanced with no single glaring weakness or single overwhelming strength, so the key (besides playing hard the whole time) is going to be making good decisions on both sides of the ball. Got to make the wrong guys take shots from the wrong places for Penn, which I think will require enough ball pressure and overplaying to break up their passing combinations. If no zoning up, make them go one on one against Bell and Stephens and don't let Rothschild be a distributor like he was last time. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
02-06-18 07:15 AM - Post#246325
In game one, the two Penn big men were a significant strength vis-a-vis Princeton. Penn has been more guard oriented recently, but in terms of matchups, I look for Penn again to take it consistently inside until Princeton stops it. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
02-06-18 10:53 AM - Post#246351
Penn is certainly a better defensive team and the Tigers are a better shooting team in all areas. Defense normally beats offense unless you are Brown/Cambridge. As stated prior tothe game at the Palestra, the Penn match ups by position is an issue for the Tigers with two bigs that are reasonably good. It would be surprising if Coach Donahue changes his strategy with Rothschild on Stepens which was the key to the first game. I believe that Penn presents more issues than Harvard based on the balance of the team on offense. Penn is a good, well coached team, but not a great team. With that being said, the Tigers have the opportunity to get right back into the race tonight by increasing the quality and intensity on the defensive end. Burden is on Henderson to alter the strategy from the first game although the last 10 minutes at the Palestra suggested how to attack Penn's defense. Odds makers obviously think that the Tigers will step even factoring the impact of home court. I would imagine that the big 3 and others will play very hard this evening -- let's hope. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2816 |
02-06-18 11:33 AM - Post#246356
No matter who wins, this game signifies the return to the old order of Ps dominance. Penn is finally stable, well-coached and luring better talent again. Princeton over the past few years has upped its level of recruits as its image has changed. The big difference from 20 years ago is that most of the other Ivies have also lured enough good coaches and blue chippers to threaten Ps dominance. Key will be if teams like Brown will be able to hang on to good coaches after they have proved themselves. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
02-06-18 11:35 AM - Post#246357
There is no sure win in the League anymore---you have to give your best effort every night to win. |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1171 |
02-06-18 12:18 PM - Post#246364
Opens Princeton -5 By the way, props to you for referring to us by the right and proper moniker "Pennsylvania." |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21205 |
02-06-18 12:28 PM - Post#246365
Next step: Let's work on the jerseys.
Opens Princeton -5 By the way, props to you for referring to us by the right and proper moniker "Pennsylvania." |
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10Q Professor Posts 23396 |
02-06-18 05:23 PM - Post#246429
I'm thinking Caleb and Sam hold the key to this game. Princeton is going to tighten up down low and tempt our 3 shooters in the Hangar. If we can hit the 3 at a decent rate, we should be good. Maybe Jackson gets a good look too. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21205 |
02-06-18 05:27 PM - Post#246430
I'm thinking Caleb and Sam hold the key to this game. Princeton is going to tighten up down low and tempt our 3 shooters in the Hangar. If we can hit the 3 at a decent rate, we should be good. Maybe Jackson gets a good look too. Then Betley is the key. He did great in the first half when Princeton tightened up down low. Then when Princeton shifted gears our bigs came through. Princeton can't concentrate on all 3 players at the same time. Our depth and balance is our greatest strength this year. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23396 |
02-06-18 05:41 PM - Post#246433
Betley is going to get his usual looks. It's the other guys who will be open an unusual amount. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3777 |
02-06-18 06:03 PM - Post#246438
One of the big reasons Penn has been winning games this year (including the Princeton game at the Palestra) that last year's team would have lost, is that they've finally learned to exploit opportunities created when opposing defenses key on Brodeur and Betley. If they can continue to do that tonight, Penn has an excellent shot at winning this thing. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
02-06-18 06:37 PM - Post#246443
Brennan has returned and may be needed. Morales in warm ups - getting close to be playing. As a group Tigers are taller and more athletic than Penn. Should be a good one. Xanadu and Stephens have on their game faces. |
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jeromelh Junior Posts 215 |
02-06-18 07:19 PM - Post#246477
The problem for Princeton has been and continues to be Defense and lack of movement resulting in a lot of 1 on 1 moves. |
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Vonsid Sophomore Posts 145 |
02-06-18 07:37 PM - Post#246504
I am not liking Gladson in the rotation personally. He isn't improving as I would expect. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1890 |
02-06-18 07:40 PM - Post#246508
Bad switch by Penn has 6-10 Gladson against 6-1 Foreman. What does he do? Fade away hook! Come on Will! |
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Vonsid Sophomore Posts 145 |
02-06-18 07:47 PM - Post#246531
Princeton defense looks pretty bad. |
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Vonsid Sophomore Posts 145 |
02-06-18 07:50 PM - Post#246537
Mentally not in the game. Some really dumb fouls. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1890 |
02-06-18 07:52 PM - Post#246541
Sorry but that’s one of the dumbest plays I have ever seen: 1 sec on the shot clock with Penn pinned to half court line and Devon fouls him. What the? Tigers are playing like they all have the flu or something. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
02-06-18 07:55 PM - Post#246545
Played poorly but came back from the dead. Defense did improve but rebounding is Achilles. Let Bell take it to the hoop. |
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Tiger84 Senior Posts 380 |
02-06-18 08:06 PM - Post#246549
Penn +2 on offensive boards at the half. Feels like more. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1890 |
02-06-18 08:18 PM - Post#246562
Princeton continues to be sievelike on defense and all hero ball on offense. Really hard for this 40+ year Tiger fan to like this team. So much potential, so little performance. And little effort tonight. At the his point, I hope they have the flu and it’s not just a complete lack of basketball fundamentals. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1890 |
02-06-18 08:21 PM - Post#246569
Mitch being thoroughly out-coached tonight. Penn has a nice team but this is ugly basketball |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1890 |
02-06-18 08:47 PM - Post#246608
Tigers need to try something different on D. 1-3-1? Full court trap? They just can’t guard well enough playing straight up. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2275 |
02-06-18 09:11 PM - Post#246649
Total beat down. They had better conceived and better executed offensive and defensive schemes. But the ultimate weak link is our interior defense. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 |
02-06-18 09:17 PM - Post#246657
Tigers need to try something different on D. 1-3-1? Full court trap? They just can’t guard well enough playing straight up. They did try a 1-3-1 on a couple possessions late in the first half, got burned on the second of those, and never went back to it. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
02-06-18 09:32 PM - Post#246662
Penn obviously deserved to win. Other than Bell, they got almost every loose ball. They kept their offense going by keeping the ball alive with tap outs. Their offense kept moving the ball for open men while Tigers offense was stagnant. Cannady was riding the bike at half time and looked like he was in discomfort. At this point, I might simply play Arirguzoh, Much and DesRosiers rather than Gladson, Brennan and LeBlanc. Maybe, take some lumps but let the young guys get action. Arirguzoh and DesRosiers bring energy to the court and they need it badly. Last year, there was a debate as to which IL team is the best team based on some type of statistical measurement vs. wins/losses. Answer is always the same and Penn right now is 6-0. |
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Eric Von Zipper Senior Posts 343 |
02-06-18 09:46 PM - Post#246665
"You are what your record says you are." |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21205 |
02-06-18 09:47 PM - Post#246666
I had wondered how Cannady would fare tonight. He looked hurt on Saturday night and was also riding the bike (although later played exceptionally well down the stretch). He had an off game tonight although darned if he didn't give it his all--making some huge tap outs over bigger defenders to keep possessions alive. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3669 |
02-06-18 10:16 PM - Post#246675
Thank God for the Ivy Tourney. Season would be over otherwise. Just get it together and show up for that big weekend. The talent is there...the energy and polish are not right now. They got rusty and/or complacent over the break. Hope Cannady is alright...lord knows we need him. I think riding a bike between stints is a remedy for back tightness, but I could be wrong about that. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1890 |
02-06-18 10:20 PM - Post#246677
We’ll have to see how they do next weekend but Penn is earning home court for the you know what. Tigers have some serious soul searching to do. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4911 |
02-07-18 05:28 AM - Post#246688
Just had a chance to watch it on replay after shielding myself from information about the score. That sucked. Everybody on the team got backed down in the post, and there was no help because of the fear of outside shooting. Slightly baffled that Aririguzoh didn't get a turn in the barrel. Why do the Tigers not play to force turnovers? Opponents are already shooting the lights out, so there is little to lose from gambling a bit to get them out of rhythm. The 1-3-1 did okay, but it disappeared quickly. Stephens, Bell, and Cannady played hard, but not always well, committing a lot of mental mistakes. Way too many offensive turnovers from dribbling into traffic, not enough passing to move the defense. I wouldn't mind some stagger screens being run for Cannady to free him up off the ball, like they used to run for Clay Wilson. Much was a mixed bag, getting abused defensively, committing some offensive mistakes, but making a few timely shots along the way. But this game was not really about the Xs and Os. The Tigers started off looking rattled in the first five minutes, calmed down a bit through the middle of the game, then came unglued again late in the second half. They got beat to a lot of 50-50 balls, they got pushed around, they were a beat slow on play after play. Confidence and aggressiveness just weren't there. This group needs to have a team meeting or something to figure out how they are going to salvage their season and make it one they enjoy looking back on. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2275 |
02-07-18 06:59 AM - Post#246689
The offense consists of: Receive the ball on the perimeter. Pump fake. Peer inside, think about dribble penetration. Then pass to the next open man, even if he has to back-pedal to get open. Repeat. Randomly dribble into the lane after the pump fake. Generally lose the ball when a helping defender swipes at it, or make a bad pass. Unless you are Amir Bell or Myles Stephens, who occasionally make it to the rim. The ball movement on the perimeter seems to occur without a goal. I guess this is what happens when you don't run "plays"; just read and react. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8254 |
02-07-18 10:12 AM - Post#246701
Next step: Let's work on the jerseys.
Opens Princeton -5 By the way, props to you for referring to us by the right and proper moniker "Pennsylvania." Hurrah, Hurrah, PENNSYLVANIA! |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
02-07-18 03:15 PM - Post#246763
Major Differences last year to this year. 1. Spencer Weisz passing to open 3 pt shooters. 2. Spencer and Steven Cook -- Leadership 3. Cook's defense 4. Miller's interior defense when needed No matter had talented the freshmen are or no matter what the stats say, the Tigers are a work-in-progress. I feel bad for Bell as he has given it his all but it is tough to compensate for losing two first team IL players. |
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Cvonvorys Postdoc Posts 4484 |
02-07-18 03:35 PM - Post#246765
Major differences last year vs. this year: 1) Last year when Princeton needed a defensive stop, they would shut down the other team. 2) Last year when Princeton needed to score, they would score. Bottom line... It really didn't matter what the score was early on, because come crunch time, Princeton would ratchet up the D and hit the big shots and win the game. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4911 |
02-07-18 03:39 PM - Post#246766
Cannady looking a bit nicked up isn't helping either. Having watched every game but one this year, I have to say that regardless of the numbers I've felt best about this team when Aririguzoh is on the floor. He gives the best post defense (often staying a foot away from the offensive player's body while keeping his arms up and threatening a block) and I like his passing out of the post and offensive rebounding. I generally don't understand why the lineups and style that were successful on the West Coast swing have disappeared. Young has been OK, but Schweiger is the only guy who consistently cuts to the rim with authority. Leblanc has been OK, but we hardly see the red-hot Desrosiers. And last night confirmed my feelings about the extreme one-on-one offensive style. It can work against a Brown, but not consistently against good defensive teams. Harvard may be even better on D than Penn (although with an aggressive style that may allow one-on-one drives a bit more), so the Tigers might want to think about playing more through the post, kicking the ball to the weak side, etc. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3777 |
02-07-18 04:10 PM - Post#246773
Major differences last year vs. this year: 1) Last year when Princeton needed a defensive stop, they would shut down the other team. 2) Last year when Princeton needed to score, they would score. Bottom line... It really didn't matter what the score was early on, because come crunch time, Princeton would ratchet up the D and hit the big shots and win the game. Here's a nice little add: you can substitute "Penn" for "Princeton" in the above passage, and it totally describes this year's Penn team. |
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