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02-09-18 08:13 PM - Post#247044    

Up 6-4 at the first media timeout. All points have come attacking the basket, 4 by A.J., 2 by Max. At the same time, A.J. and Woods both went up too soft on the other attempts inside - A.J. got blocked by Knight when he should have dunked it, and Antonio has now missed two in the paint.

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02-09-18 08:13 PM - Post#247045    

Dartmouth crushing us on the glass early.

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02-09-18 08:19 PM - Post#247047    

Yet another Dartmouth putback ties it at 10-10. Penn missing shots all over.

Under 12:00 timeout.

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02-09-18 08:21 PM - Post#247048    

Simmons in, immediately gets called for a moving screen.

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02-09-18 08:22 PM - Post#247049    

Silpe missed 3. Both teams 0-5.

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02-09-18 08:24 PM - Post#247050    

Great pass from A.J., Max blows the layup.

We look awful.

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02-09-18 08:26 PM - Post#247051    

Dartmouth 15 Penn 12, 7:30 left, media timeout.

Betley drive and dump down to Max finally ended in success to pull Quakers within 3, after Wright had hit the first 3 of the game.

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02-09-18 08:27 PM - Post#247052    

Betley misses again from the corner. Ice cold.

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02-09-18 08:28 PM - Post#247053    

Wood bricks a 25-footer. Icier.

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02-09-18 08:29 PM - Post#247054    

Two Wright FTs, back down by 5.

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02-09-18 08:30 PM - Post#247055    

Seas part and Betley drives for the easy layup.

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02-09-18 08:32 PM - Post#247056    

Max turns on Knight easily, fouled st the rim and can’t get layup to go.

Well short on first FT.

And short on second.

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02-09-18 08:32 PM - Post#247057    

D forces a shot clock violation.

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02-09-18 08:34 PM - Post#247058    

Wood another missed 3. 0-8 as team.

And Barry hits one.

Foreman layup makes it 20-16.


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02-09-18 08:35 PM - Post#247059    

Another #%$@ Dartmouth offensive board, and he’s fouled.

Under 4:00 timeout.

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02-09-18 08:36 PM - Post#247060    

Stuck watching Princeton - Harvard on ESPNU. I have tried three different browsers and my ISP and ESPN3 have conspired to prevent me from seeing our game.

Princeton is down 10 with 4:00 to go in the first, and they look terrible.
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02-09-18 08:37 PM - Post#247061    

Max apparently has the flu. Missed shootaround.

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02-09-18 08:37 PM - Post#247062    

Ghost: Try this link.
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02-09-18 08:37 PM - Post#247063    

Two DC FTs make it 22-16.

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02-09-18 08:38 PM - Post#247064    

Nice dish Betley to Brodeur for the layup.

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02-09-18 08:38 PM - Post#247065    

Emory misses, and DC gets yet another o-board but fortunately results in another miss.

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02-09-18 08:39 PM - Post#247066    

Someone blows an assignment and A.J. wide open for layup.

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02-09-18 08:40 PM - Post#247067    

Two more DC offensive rebounds, but no conversion.

Betley fumbles ball away in paint in transition, and commits frustration foul. His second.

Two Emory FTs make it 24-20.

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02-09-18 08:40 PM - Post#247069    

Finally a made three, from least likely shooter Darnell.

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02-09-18 08:41 PM - Post#247070    

Wright miss, strong Max board.

Caleb goes strong in the paint, and it’s 25-24 Penn, 1:04 left.

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02-09-18 08:43 PM - Post#247071    

Foreman drives, blocked, but late whistle gives him FTs.

Makes both. 27-24.

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02-09-18 08:44 PM - Post#247072    

Berry forces 3 with 4 seconds left, DC gets a tap but it doesn’t go.

27-24 HALF.

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02-09-18 08:48 PM - Post#247073    

In fairness, Max hit Ryan's left foot with his pass.
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02-09-18 08:50 PM - Post#247074    

This is the awful game we worried about. Hard to believe we are up at the half.

Max must be under the weather as they mentioned. We are getting crushed on the boards.
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02-09-18 08:51 PM - Post#247075    

Can someone please explain to me why the in-screen scoreboard on ILDN takes more than 10 seconds to update when Penn scores, but Dartmouth points are posted almost instantaneously?
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02-09-18 08:52 PM - Post#247079    

Penn will make the necessary adjustments at the half.

Predictions:

1) Dartmouth will have fewer offensive rebounds in the second half.

2) Penn will hit more three-pointers in the second half.

3) Penn will win.
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02-09-18 08:54 PM - Post#247080    

  • AsiaSunset Said:
This is the awful game we worried about. Hard to believe we are up at the half.

Max must be under the weather as they mentioned. We are getting crushed on the boards.



It looks like Max is sitting on the bench in a different chair than everyone else (White one vs dark for others). That could be simply coincidence but "under the weather" could mean something else? Or it could just mean "under the weather"

I am overthinking this

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02-09-18 08:54 PM - Post#247081    

It's those long road trip Ivy talkin' blues.

Women up 37-24 at half. Dartmouth definitely better than last year, but Penn shooting well, and they cranked up the defense late in the half; the Green went four or five straight possessions without a good shot.
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02-09-18 08:59 PM - Post#247083    

They said he skipped the shoot around and was under the weather. I’m assuming that means not feeling well.
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02-09-18 08:59 PM - Post#247084    

Some interesting scores around the Ivy League at half time:

Cornell 47
Brown 35

(Cambridge has 16. No one else on Brown has more than 4)


Harvard 35
Princeton 20

(Princeton shooting 26% from the floor.)
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02-09-18 09:01 PM - Post#247085    

Knight blocks Max, Max catches it but steps on baseline.

Emory at other end gets o board, but called for clear out.

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02-09-18 09:01 PM - Post#247086    

  • AsiaSunset Said:
They said he skipped the shoot around and was under the weather. I’m assuming that means not feeling well.



Yea, all the chairs are the same. I was seeing things. Sick!

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02-09-18 09:01 PM - Post#247087    

Ha, A.J. with the banked 3 from corner. 30-24.

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02-09-18 09:02 PM - Post#247088    

Max runs the floor off missed shot, gets the easy transition layup. 32-24, time-out DC.

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02-09-18 09:04 PM - Post#247090    

Berry 3 makes it 32-27 Penn.

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02-09-18 09:05 PM - Post#247091    

Ugly force in the paint by Woods for the miss.

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02-09-18 09:05 PM - Post#247092    

Wright drives, fouled by Max.

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02-09-18 09:06 PM - Post#247093    

Makes both FTs. 32-29.

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02-09-18 09:07 PM - Post#247094    

A.J. misses a three.


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02-09-18 09:08 PM - Post#247095    

Wright fouled in the Post makes both. 7-0 DC run since their timeout.

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02-09-18 09:08 PM - Post#247096    

Emory easily blocks Woods layup attempt.

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02-09-18 09:09 PM - Post#247097    

A.J. misses, gets own rebound on floor, kicks out for Betley 3.

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02-09-18 09:09 PM - Post#247098    

Wood air ball 3 after s Wright turnover, and no one stops Beeey on the drive.

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02-09-18 09:10 PM - Post#247099    

Emory forces shot through Brodeur’s arms, ties it at 35.

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02-09-18 09:10 PM - Post#247100    

Yet another 3 miss, this time by Betley.

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02-09-18 09:11 PM - Post#247101    

Caleb charge for another turnover. Media timeout, 14:02 remaining.

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02-09-18 09:13 PM - Post#247102    

Silpe and Simmons in.

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02-09-18 09:14 PM - Post#247104    

Knight clear out on A.J. for the offensive foul.

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02-09-18 09:15 PM - Post#247105    

Now Jackson fouls A.J.


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02-09-18 09:15 PM - Post#247106    

Woods missed 3 turns into A.J. O-board and an eventual kick out from Woods to Silpe for the 3.

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02-09-18 09:17 PM - Post#247107    

Wright 3-Point play and that’s Betley’s 4th. 38-38.

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02-09-18 09:17 PM - Post#247108    

Women up by 20-ish after 3. Think I'll come over and join you all.
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02-09-18 09:17 PM - Post#247109    

Consecutive possessions with misses at the rim by Silpe and Woods.

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02-09-18 09:20 PM - Post#247110    

So... Who's going to step up for Penn?
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02-09-18 09:20 PM - Post#247111    

11:55 left, Emory hits both FTs to make it 40-38 DC. He’s already got the double-double.

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02-09-18 09:21 PM - Post#247113    

Foreman blows another shot at the rim, and Max commits his 4th on rebound.

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02-09-18 09:22 PM - Post#247114    

Silpe 3 makes it 41-40 Penn.

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02-09-18 09:23 PM - Post#247115    

DC bad pass and Foreman goes distance for the layup.

Silpe another 3. 46-40.

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02-09-18 09:24 PM - Post#247116    

Silpe falls down on D, and Johnson hits the 3 from the corner.

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02-09-18 09:24 PM - Post#247117    

Wood yet another miss.

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02-09-18 09:25 PM - Post#247118    

Foreman steal, but Woods misses at the rim. So many blown buckets.

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02-09-18 09:26 PM - Post#247119    

Two Emory FTs and it’s 46-45. They’re in the double bonus rest of the way.

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02-09-18 09:27 PM - Post#247120    

Foreman another miss in paint.

Knight puts DC back up 1.

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02-09-18 09:29 PM - Post#247121    

Too many bunnies missed.

Looks like Dartmouth has also improved the gym lighting this year. That's at least three recently (Penn and Princeton), and I suspect Harvard's also gotten better with the renovations. Yale still pretty dim.
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02-09-18 09:29 PM - Post#247122    

Wood and Woods combined 1-15 from floor, 0-8 from 3, 6 of those by Caleb.

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02-09-18 09:30 PM - Post#247123    

A.J. 1-2 FTs and we’re tied at 47.

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02-09-18 09:30 PM - Post#247124    

Antonio fouls Wright on floor and he’s shooting 2.

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02-09-18 09:30 PM - Post#247125    

Makes both.

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02-09-18 09:31 PM - Post#247126    

Foreman drives and gets the layup to go. 49-49.

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02-09-18 09:33 PM - Post#247127    

After a Wright miss, Max blows yet another in the paint.

Now Foreman out-of-control for the charge after a DC turnover.

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02-09-18 09:34 PM - Post#247128    

Knight 1-2 FTs and it’s 50-49 DC.

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02-09-18 09:34 PM - Post#247129    

Antonio travels.

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02-09-18 09:35 PM - Post#247130    

Knight foul line jumper goes to push lead to 52-49.

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02-09-18 09:35 PM - Post#247131    

Nice Max pass to A.J. for layup it’s lead to 1, 4:58 left.

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02-09-18 09:37 PM - Post#247132    

Berry 3. 55-51 Dartmouth.

Max stuffed in paint by Knight.

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02-09-18 09:38 PM - Post#247133    

Shot clock violation after Knight can’t exploit mismatch with Silpe on him in low post. Under 4:00 timeout.

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02-09-18 09:39 PM - Post#247134    

Not getting good shots right now.
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02-09-18 09:40 PM - Post#247135    

Wright fouls cutting Betley.

Makes front end of 1-and-1.

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02-09-18 09:41 PM - Post#247136    

Makes second. 55-53.

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02-09-18 09:42 PM - Post#247137    

Johnson drives on Betley but can’t convert, tip doesn’t go, and Brodeur finally gets rebound. Timeout in front court by Donahue, 2:55 left.

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02-09-18 09:43 PM - Post#247139    

Big blown DC assignment and A.J. all alone for tying layup.

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02-09-18 09:44 PM - Post#247140    

A.J. doubleteamed, throws ball over Ryan’s head.

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02-09-18 09:44 PM - Post#247141    

Knight misses turnaround,

Foreman travels on the other end.

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02-09-18 09:45 PM - Post#247142    

DC frontcourt timeout, 1:24 left.

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02-09-18 09:47 PM - Post#247143    

Good A.J. D on Knight and he’s short on jumper just off low block.

55 seconds left, Penn timeout.

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02-09-18 09:47 PM - Post#247145    

Brodeur hook for the lead.

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02-09-18 09:48 PM - Post#247146    

Berry missed 3, and strong Betley rebound as he’s fouled. 1-and-1.

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02-09-18 09:48 PM - Post#247147    

Makes first. 28 seconds left.

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02-09-18 09:49 PM - Post#247148    

Makes second. 59-55.

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02-09-18 09:50 PM - Post#247149    

Johnson misses FT jumper, but Brodeur called for foul on rebound.

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02-09-18 09:50 PM - Post#247150    

Knight makes 1-2. 18 seconds.

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02-09-18 09:51 PM - Post#247151    

Inbound to Betley, he’s fouled. Shooting 2 now.

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02-09-18 09:51 PM - Post#247152    

Makes first.

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02-09-18 09:52 PM - Post#247153    

Makes second.

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02-09-18 09:52 PM - Post#247154    

Johnson off-balance rainbow from corner over Foreman makes it 61-59, 10 seconds left. DC time-out.

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02-09-18 09:54 PM - Post#247155    

Inbound to Betley again, fouled with 7 seconds left.

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02-09-18 09:54 PM - Post#247156    

Misses first.

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02-09-18 09:55 PM - Post#247157    

Makes second.

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02-09-18 09:56 PM - Post#247158    

Donahue calls final timeout to set up inbound D.

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02-09-18 09:58 PM - Post#247159    

Floor foul at midcourt with 5 left.

Johnson makes first.

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02-09-18 09:58 PM - Post#247160    

Makes second.

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02-09-18 09:58 PM - Post#247161    

Foreman fouled before ball can even be inbounded.

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02-09-18 09:59 PM - Post#247162    

Makes first.

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02-09-18 10:00 PM - Post#247163    

Makes second.

Max steal after inbound and it’s over.

64-61 FINAL.

Trap game escaped.

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02-09-18 10:01 PM - Post#247165    

Good recognition by Max to take that away.
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02-09-18 10:01 PM - Post#247166    

That won’t win tomorrow. Nightmare games for Wood and Woods.
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02-09-18 10:07 PM - Post#247167    

  • AsiaSunset Said:
That won’t win tomorrow. Nightmare games for Wood and Woods.



Don't need it for tomorrow. Only needed it tonight. Tomorrow a new day. Gut check win.

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02-09-18 10:09 PM - Post#247169    

I just hope Wood & Woods woes doesn’t mean Max has already infected them with whatever he has.

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02-09-18 10:15 PM - Post#247171    

I hope so too! Tomorrow's game might be ugly. First team to 25 might win.
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02-09-18 10:20 PM - Post#247173    

Can’t overstate how big Silpe was tonight given their woes. That’s now two games in which he’s hit some key shots when we were in trouble.

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02-09-18 10:23 PM - Post#247176    

Really big minutes from Silpe. 3-4 from 3 when we couldn't score. Really changed the game. And his defense (minus the time he fell down) was excellent
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02-09-18 10:33 PM - Post#247178    

  • Cvonvorys Said:
Penn will make the necessary adjustments at the half.

Predictions:

1) Dartmouth will have fewer offensive rebounds in the second half.

2) Penn will hit more three-pointers in the second half.

3) Penn will win.



1) Check

2) Check

3) Check mate...

PS... Darnell Foreman with another stellar game, and only 7 shots.
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02-09-18 10:48 PM - Post#247182    

Silpe saved the day.

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02-09-18 11:04 PM - Post#247183    

Finally managed to see most of the second half. Coaching staff did a great job of managing foul trouble. Losing Betley or Max could have been fatal.

We will have to play better tomorrow.

The officiating performed a vacuum action.
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02-10-18 12:21 AM - Post#247194    

Anyone else notice the mistake Steve made in subbing out Betley on the Dartmouth free throw at the end? He seemed shocked to be leaving the floor and then wasn't back after Dartmouth made both. Darnell saved the coach by calmly sinking both, but what in the hell happened? What was he thinking? Obviously he was afraid of him getting a foul and figured Dartmouth would miss on purpose, but Ryan can rebound too. They also seemed to have a lot of confusion and ended up Icing Betley even longer before he made the second free throw to extend it to 3. Then Steve called timeout to set up the foul, but you'd like to have seen that handled prior so he could have saved his timeout and not given Dartmouth a chance to draw something up when they had 0 timeouts left. Fouling makes it more moot, but it was just awkward.

All in all it is another good win. Considering all the easy layups and 3's they missed, the fact that they haven't won up there in forever and with Max being sick? I'll take it. The 4 start definitely doesn't help, but they came out firing vs Dayton around the same time, so maybe they'll do that again tomorrow.

And how about Jake?! If he really can hit the 3, he is just going to play more and more and more. I love it.
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02-10-18 12:26 AM - Post#247195    

One more thing. Can we talk about how nice it is to have an aggressive AJ again? Sure I'd love to see him throw one down every once in a while, but you can add this one to the growing list of games in which he was the difference down the stretch with a big shot.
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02-10-18 09:25 AM - Post#247216    

Game could have easily gone the other way.

The pluses:

AJ bossed both ends of the court.

Foreman has another big game. He's the best guard on the team right now. SomeGuy - yes, Foreman was drawing the more difficult assignments on D and doing the best job.

Silpe on the offensive end. Needs to be sharper on the defensive end but was OK enough.

Betley's FT shooting at the end of the game.

I'm happy enough to escape Hanover with a win that I don't feel like going over the minuses. Agree with AsiaSunset that last night's performance won't get it done against Harvard. Though I'm surprised Dartmouth hasn't won a game in conference yet, they are better than their record would make you believe.

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02-10-18 10:06 AM - Post#247221    

  • Quakers03 Said:
Anyone else notice the mistake Steve made in subbing out Betley on the Dartmouth free throw at the end? He seemed shocked to be leaving the floor and then wasn't back after Dartmouth made both. Darnell saved the coach by calmly sinking both, but what in the hell happened? What was he thinking? Obviously he was afraid of him getting a foul and figured Dartmouth would miss on purpose, but Ryan can rebound too. They also seemed to have a lot of confusion and ended up Icing Betley even longer before he made the second free throw to extend it to 3. Then Steve called timeout to set up the foul, but you'd like to have seen that handled prior so he could have saved his timeout and not given Dartmouth a chance to draw something up when they had 0 timeouts left. Fouling makes it more moot, but it was just awkward.

All in all it is another good win. Considering all the easy layups and 3's they missed, the fact that they haven't won up there in forever and with Max being sick? I'll take it. The 4 start definitely doesn't help, but they came out firing vs Dayton around the same time, so maybe they'll do that again tomorrow.

And how about Jake?! If he really can hit the 3, he is just going to play more and more and more. I love it.



I did. I worried that we would be stuck without a good FT shooter on the floor in a situation where DC's only play was to foul. That could have cost us the game, but Foreman came through with a pair.
TheLine
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02-10-18 10:22 AM - Post#247222    

I'm not sure that foul with a few seconds to go was the right call either - it was with too many seconds on the clock. Donahue got too cute with those last second maneuvers and it could have cost. Thankfully it didn't.

Silver Maple
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02-10-18 10:38 AM - Post#247225    

Donahue has handled end of game management amazingly well to this point. Let's not get overly worked up over one possible mistake.
AsiaSunset
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02-10-18 10:53 AM - Post#247227    

Totally agree. That play always seems to be debatable but if you don't foul they still have to make a low % three and, even if they do, the worst outcome is probably OT. Hope we don't see that again if we are in that same position.
Streamers
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02-10-18 02:37 PM - Post#247239    

As I pointed out in the other thread, I thought the foul was the right move at the time. Still do. He might have liked his chances in the unlikely event of OT. I know I did.
Quakers03
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02-10-18 02:40 PM - Post#247240    

I never used to be a foul guy but I'm coming around to it more. I thought that was the right situation to do it, and I also thought the home timer helped keep that thing at 5 seconds by the time of the foul.

I think the issue with Jake on d is he gets too amped up to make a play and gets caught watching the ball instead of his man. I don't think it's anything that more PT wouldn't cure.
weinhauers_ghost
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02-10-18 02:56 PM - Post#247244    

  • TheLine Said:
I'm not sure that foul with a few seconds to go was the right call either - it was with too many seconds on the clock. Donahue got too cute with those last second maneuvers and it could have cost. Thankfully it didn't.




With a three point lead and five seconds left, I'd rather give up the FTs and get the ball back. Make the opponent earn the points and have to foul to get the ball back.

Don't let them attempt a three point shot.
Chip Bayers
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02-10-18 02:57 PM - Post#247245    

Yeah, he’s always trying to gamble on reading the passing lanes for a steal, which leaves him out of good guarding position.

Streamers
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02-10-18 03:59 PM - Post#247251    

Let's have a little geeky fun with this: up 3 with 5 seconds left Dartmouth with the ball, ESPN says you are 94% to win. Let's call it 90. You play it out. They need a 3 to send it to OT - 20% (generous) probability of that then you are 50% in OT.

You foul. 74% FT shooter on the line. Only a couple of ways to lose. Johnson makes both (50%), steals the inbounds (ouch, brings back memories of the women last year) and makes the bucket to tie and win in OT or win outright. maybe 5% that happens at best. OR - Johnson makes first and misses 2nd on purpose (75%), THEN DC gets rebound, makes a 3 to win or a 2 for OT, then wins. Again, 3% tops.

Add up the losing scenarios and you get something like 2.5%+2.3% = 4.8%. Slightly better if you foul.

I'm sure someone will challenge my estimates, but I'd be curious what the advanced stats folks would have to say about the wisdom of Steve's call. Of course that 3 Johnson made 6 seconds earlier had something to do with Steve's thinking.



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