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Charlie Fog
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02-10-18 10:02 AM - Post#247220    

I am not seeing a line for this game.
PennFan10
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02-10-18 11:17 AM - Post#247229    

Harvard -1
Quakers03
Professor
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02-10-18 02:41 PM - Post#247241    

I thought it would be higher. I'm a bit surprised.
Charlie Fog
Masters Student
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02-10-18 03:08 PM - Post#247247    

Is Aiken still out?
Quakers03
Professor
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02-10-18 03:47 PM - Post#247249    

Anyone know the tv situation? It's not on local and not on ESPN3. I guess it's just New England? Paging my main man Stu
mrjames
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02-10-18 03:51 PM - Post#247250    

NESN National and ILN
Streamers
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Streamers
02-10-18 04:05 PM - Post#247252    

I agree Penn +1 is low. Should be 3. O/U at 126 is an insult to both teams.
Charlie Fog
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02-10-18 04:10 PM - Post#247255    

If you have Verizon you get NESN
mrjames
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02-10-18 04:28 PM - Post#247259    

I think it's only available in the Ultimate HD channel bundle (Verizon's top bundle). I have the Extreme HD channel bundle and the sports package on FIOS and do not get NESN National.
caughtinasnare
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02-10-18 04:31 PM - Post#247260    

Same here, unfortunately...
Cvonvorys
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Cvonvorys
02-10-18 04:37 PM - Post#247263    

Regarding this afternoon's game:

What is the chance that Antonio is going to shoot 0-7 including 0-2 from 3?

What is the chance that Caleb is going to shoot 1-8 including 0-6 from 3?

What is the chance that Ryan will get into foul trouble, limiting his minutes and effectiveness?

Any one of these things not happen last night and we probably win by double digits, even with that final DC 3.

With these three returning to normal, I'm confident we can beat Harvard. Furthermore, with these three returning to normal and Jake going 3-4 from 3 and the team hitting 75% of their FTs, I'm confident that Penn beats Harvard by double digits.
TheLine
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02-10-18 04:37 PM - Post#247264    

Try this. Typical Stu warnings about clicking on anything apply.

Need quality minutes from Simmons today.

Hope Silpe got a lecture about ball watching and getting distracted by shiny objects on the defensive end.

AsiaSunset
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02-10-18 04:47 PM - Post#247265    

Don’t know. With last night fresh in my mind, I’m a little uneasy. We need an energetic Max Rothschild today. Dartmouth abused us on the boards and Chris Lewis is better than Will Emery.
PennFan10
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02-10-18 04:52 PM - Post#247267    

Jerome Allen in the house!
Cvonvorys
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Cvonvorys
02-10-18 04:53 PM - Post#247268    

How about an energetic Jarrod Simmons? Will that do?
Silver Maple
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02-10-18 04:55 PM - Post#247269    

  • PennFan10 Said:
Jerome Allen in the house!



Spotted chatting with Howard Gensler.

AsiaSunset
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02-10-18 04:55 PM - Post#247270    

Maybe next year😀
Quakers03
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02-10-18 04:57 PM - Post#247271    

I figured with many road games to come, the $15 was an easy spend for the next month.
caughtinasnare
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02-10-18 05:08 PM - Post#247273    

Doesn't seem to work and don't wanna click anything.

Guess it's ESPN play by play online for me.
Quakers03
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02-10-18 05:10 PM - Post#247274    

I don't think that ball was out of bounds.
Stuart Suss
PhD Student
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02-10-18 05:14 PM - Post#247275    

The link provided by TheLine and ILDN are both working for video.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 05:18 PM - Post#247276    

Welsh walks, then later pushes A.J. to get an offensive rebound, no calls.

rbg
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02-10-18 05:18 PM - Post#247277    

Harvard with 4 offensive rebounds. Similar to last night's first half. Penn has to do better on the rebounding.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 05:19 PM - Post#247278    

Foreman, Rothschild, Betley all have blown shots at the rim.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 05:25 PM - Post#247279    

Awful possession with the exceedingly odd lineup of Silpe, MacDonald, Rothschild, Woods, and Wood.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 05:26 PM - Post#247280    

Nice drive and dump from Woods to McDonald cutting the baseline for the easy layup.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 05:30 PM - Post#247281    

Wood after the violation on the previous possession recognizes the clock is expiring again and drives for the layup and foul.

rbg
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02-10-18 05:32 PM - Post#247282    

Did Rothschild just head to the locker room?
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 05:32 PM - Post#247284    

Ridiculous charge call on Betley.

Quakers03
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02-10-18 05:33 PM - Post#247285    

Betley with 2 fouls and no points. And Penn can't stop Lewis.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 05:33 PM - Post#247286    

Another shot clock violation. Too much dribbling.

Quakers03
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02-10-18 05:33 PM - Post#247287    

It was indeed a very weak call.
rbg
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02-10-18 05:33 PM - Post#247288    

Never mind, Rothschild is back.
Quakers03
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02-10-18 05:35 PM - Post#247289    

I understand Antonio not getting the call vs Towns but AJ didn't touch him on the other end.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 05:35 PM - Post#247290    

Wood challenges Towns and gets faced, then Towns runs the floor and gets the and-1 as A.J. picks up the cheapy.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 05:36 PM - Post#247291    

Max blows another one at the rim.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 05:36 PM - Post#247292    

And a ridiculous turnover off the baseline inbound.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 05:38 PM - Post#247293    

Caleb carries last night’s shooting slump into today.


Quakers03
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02-10-18 05:39 PM - Post#247294    

Lid on the basket for Wood and Betley...again. And a non travel call vs Harvard. Sigh.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 05:39 PM - Post#247295    

Getting completely outplayed at both ends. Cannot buy a three either.

rbg
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02-10-18 05:41 PM - Post#247296    

Penn looks lost on offense over the last few minutes. Settling for threes and are only 1-8.

Quakers03
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02-10-18 05:41 PM - Post#247297    

If they can keep it within 6 I think they'll put together a really good second half. Or they'll have nothing left thanks to Princeton and their stupid schedule and get run out of the gym...I doubt that one.
rbg
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02-10-18 05:43 PM - Post#247298    

Towns with 2 fouls.
Quakers03
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02-10-18 05:43 PM - Post#247299    

Another walk uncalled and they end up with two.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 05:44 PM - Post#247300    

Giving up yet another offensive rebound isn’t going to help cut that margin.

rbg
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02-10-18 05:45 PM - Post#247301    

Max picks up foul #2 with just under 2 minutes to go.
AsiaSunset
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02-10-18 05:46 PM - Post#247302    

Will Penn ever make another shot from the outside. Harvard plays good defense but that’s no excuse.
Quakers03
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02-10-18 05:47 PM - Post#247303    

I know they play good defense but this is ridiculous.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 05:47 PM - Post#247304    

Huge Woods 3.

Quakers03
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02-10-18 05:48 PM - Post#247305    

Come on AJ. That's not the shot.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 05:49 PM - Post#247306    

I don’t understand that final possession all. Betley feeds A.J. in the low post and he takes one dribble, picks up the ball, has to kick it back out, and ultimately ends up missing the three.

Very lucky to only be down 7.

PennFan10
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02-10-18 05:49 PM - Post#247307    

Harvard is a very good defensive team. They stay in front of people and are quick on rotations. We will have to shoot it well from outside to have a chance in this one.
tguru
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02-10-18 05:52 PM - Post#247308    

  • Chip Bayers Said:
Ridiculous charge call on Betley.



agreed.






Charlie Fog
Masters Student
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02-10-18 05:56 PM - Post#247309    

Penn’s got this
rbg
Postdoc
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02-10-18 06:00 PM - Post#247310    

Seeing how Penn has been playing, down 7 is not too bad.

Since they could not get inside over the last 10 minutes or so, they ended up taking 13 of 28 (46%) shots from three. They are 2-13 (15%) from three and 7-15 (47%) from two. Offensive rebounding rate is 29% and defensive rate is 70%.

Max has 6, AJ has 5, Antonio has 4, Darnell has 4 and Caleb has 3.

With their success at getting the ball inside, Harvard has taken only 6 of 32 (19%) shots from three. They are 1-6 (17%) from three and 12-26 (46%) from two.

Lewis has 13, Towns has 8, and Bassey has 5.

Penn has got to get a hot hand from three or find a way to finish at the hoop.

Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
02-10-18 06:01 PM - Post#247311    

Ugly, ugly first half. Good job on D overall though struggled against Lewis, but brutal on offense.

Harvard is an excellent defensive team for sure so expected a struggle there, but there was a period where Harvard stretched the lead when Wood and Betley had something like 3-4 very open shots for 3 and missed.

To have any chance in the second half guys are going to have to make a few 3’s.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:04 PM - Post#247312    

Another wide open 3 miss by Betley, then throws ball away on telegraphed feed to Brodeur on next possession.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:05 PM - Post#247313    

Yet another shot clock violation. In front of our own bench. Ridiculous.

Penndemonium
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02-10-18 06:06 PM - Post#247314    

I can't get the game on ivy league network. Any reason?

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:07 PM - Post#247317    

Djuricic 3 and it’s danger time.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:08 PM - Post#247318    

  • Penndemonium Said:
I can't get the game on ivy league network. Any reason?




Are you in New England?

rbg
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02-10-18 06:08 PM - Post#247319    

Down 14, you might just be thankful the ILN won't let you watch the game.
Stuart Suss
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02-10-18 06:08 PM - Post#247320    

Ivy League Network is blacked out in New England, but should be available elsewhere.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:10 PM - Post#247321    

Max into double digits, but he’s getting killed by Lewis on the other end.

Betley 3 finally goes. 40-31.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:12 PM - Post#247323    

Juzang takes 5 steps to feed Lewis for dunk, no travel called.

rbg
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02-10-18 06:12 PM - Post#247324    

Finally getting some baskets, but someone has got to put a body on Lewis.
tguru
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02-10-18 06:13 PM - Post#247325    

  • Chip Bayers Said:
Juzang takes 5 steps to feed Lewis for dunk, no travel called.




What he said.
PennFan10
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02-10-18 06:14 PM - Post#247327    

We are decidedly not doubling Lewis to keep H from taking 3's if we were making shots this would work.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:15 PM - Post#247328    

Brodeur right at Welsh, can’t finish.

rbg
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02-10-18 06:15 PM - Post#247329    

Harvard is 2 for 9 from three. Might be worth it, for Penn to force Harvard into outside shots.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:16 PM - Post#247330    

Another short arm shot from A.J. Hello Saturday 4:00 game legs.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:20 PM - Post#247331    

Aggressive double against Lewis last two possessions has resulted in a layup through both players, and then a floor foul on A.J.

rbg
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02-10-18 06:20 PM - Post#247332    

2 cheap fouls on Penn. Hello Saturday 4:00 refs.
rbg
Postdoc
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02-10-18 06:20 PM - Post#247333    

Another Lewis 2 (21st point) basket and a quick air-ball 3 from Betley.

Then, Lewis gets fouled and hits 2 for career high of 23 with 12 minutes to go.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:21 PM - Post#247334    

Lewis has broken his career high with more than 12:00 left.

PennFan10
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02-10-18 06:23 PM - Post#247335    

This Harvard color guy is tough to listen to. He is clueless and talks as if he knows everything. Questioning SD's strategy as if he any idea.

That said, Harvard is playing well, making shots and moving the ball.
rbg
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02-10-18 06:25 PM - Post#247336    

Uh-oh. Max got hit hard on that Lewis shot and heads to the bench. With the way this game is going, probably better to keep him on the bench for the rest of the game.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:26 PM - Post#247337    

#%$@ did Foreman think he was going?

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:27 PM - Post#247338    

Wood misses open 3. Rinse, repeat.

Blowout in the offing.

Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
02-10-18 06:28 PM - Post#247339    

In a game against probably the most athletic team in the league, why no run for Simmons or even Goodman for a little bit? I know Simmons is foul prone, but it’s not like what we are doing is working anyway.
PennFan10
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02-10-18 06:28 PM - Post#247340    

If you are going to front the post on Lewis, you better have some weakside help when they lob it in.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:30 PM - Post#247341    

#%$@ did Foreman think he was going?

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:32 PM - Post#247342    

Betley with a couple threes in a row now.

rbg
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02-10-18 06:32 PM - Post#247343    

Darnell should not have tried to pass that one.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:33 PM - Post#247344    

Foreman throws a pass intended for Betley on the wing right to Bassey. He’s having an awful game.

Streamers
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Streamers
02-10-18 06:34 PM - Post#247345    

  • Mike Porter Said:
In a game against probably the most athletic team in the league, why no run for Simmons or even Goodman for a little bit? I know Simmons is foul prone, but it’s not like what we are doing is working anyway.


I'm thinking the same thing, Jones and McDonald got a shot. Why not those guys?
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:35 PM - Post#247346    

Harvard announcers citing RPI. Embarrassing.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:36 PM - Post#247347    

Chance to cut it under 10, another bad pass intercepted by Bassey.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:39 PM - Post#247349    

Betley 3 cuts it to 8, as close as they’ve been in ages.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:40 PM - Post#247350    

Instead they leave Juzang uncovered in the corner.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:41 PM - Post#247351    

A.J. scores, fouled, no call.

rbg
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02-10-18 06:41 PM - Post#247352    

Harvard only hits 2 three pointers in the 35 minutes, then Bassey and Juzang hit back-to-back threes. Ugh.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:43 PM - Post#247353    

Finally some press against the Harvard ballhandlers.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:44 PM - Post#247354    

Foreman doesn’t overpenetrate for once in the half, and actually scores.

Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:44 PM - Post#247355    

Killer 3 from Towns.

rbg
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02-10-18 06:44 PM - Post#247356    

Towns with another Harvard 3. Dagger.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:45 PM - Post#247357    

Don’t understand letting 16 seconds go off the clock before fouling.

rbg
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02-10-18 06:46 PM - Post#247358    

Given 5 games in 9 days, 3 on the road and 2 against two of the best teams in the conference, not a horrible result tonight.

Hopefully, Max is ok and ready to go next Friday at Columbia.
PennFan10
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02-10-18 06:49 PM - Post#247359    

Harvard holds serve.

Thankfully we don't have to listen to the Harvard announcers anymore. Embarassing is a complement.

"...Harvard did not let Penn go on any runs in the second half to get back into the game"

was he even watching the same game?
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:50 PM - Post#247360    

  • rbg Said:
Given 5 games in 9 days, 3 on the road and 2 against two of the best teams in the conference, not a horrible result tonight.



Especially since it was an utterly meaningless exhibition prep for the tourney.

Streamers
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Streamers
02-10-18 06:50 PM - Post#247361    

Credit where it is due. Harvard hits the dagger 3's and nearly all their FTs. They had answers for everything Penn did. Our guys were gassed. At least Betley is out of his funk. See ya next week.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
02-10-18 06:50 PM - Post#247362    

Chris Lewis: “We knew what was at stake.” Nothing?

Charlie Fog
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02-10-18 06:53 PM - Post#247363    

Not an excuse, but what is this 4:00 start time Bs?
PennFan10
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02-10-18 06:54 PM - Post#247364    

Free throws:

Harvard 21
Penn 9


rbg
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02-10-18 07:01 PM - Post#247365    

Penn -
6-24 (25%) from three
21-35 (60%) from two
7-9 (78%) from FT
Offensive rebounding rate 26%
Defensive rebounding rate 70%
Turnovers 11 (Harvard gets 15 pts off TO)
Blocks 1

Betley 16 (all in 2nd half), AJ 14, Max 12 (missed large chunk of 2nd half; 67% shooting), Darnell 10, Caleb 9 (33% shooting)

Harvard -
5-15 (33%) from three (3 in last 5 minutes)
22-43 (51%) from two
17-21 (81%) from FT
Offensive rebounding rate 30%
Defensive rebounding rate 74%
Turnovers 6 (Penn gets 10 pts off TO)
Blocks 7

Lewis 16 (career high; 71% Shooting), Towns 17 (43% shooting), Bassey 12, Djuricic 9 (80% shooting), Juzang 8
rbg
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02-10-18 07:03 PM - Post#247366    

Penn women now have to even things out with a win against the Crimson later tonight.
westphillywarrior
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02-10-18 07:05 PM - Post#247367    

  • Chip Bayers Said:
Chris Lewis: “We knew what was at stake.” Nothing?



Ha. Maybe even less than nothing. I still think we're better than they are. We'll have better refs when we play the one that counts against them on March 11 at the Palestra.

weinhauers_ghost
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02-10-18 07:15 PM - Post#247368    

  • westphillywarrior Said:
  • Chip Bayers Said:
Chris Lewis: “We knew what was at stake.” Nothing?



Ha. Maybe even less than nothing. I still think we're better than they are. We'll have better refs when we play the one that counts against them on March 11 at the Palestra.




I'll chalk this up to being the third road game in five days for our guys.

They're deeper than we are, at the least. They are a team that can occasionally lose focus, and Amaker isn't a great in-game coach, but they looked pretty locked in.

That said, I don't understand our going to such a short rotation. Simmons and Goodman could have given us something, to keep the starters from burning out.

We didn't have an answer for Lewis.
penn nation
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02-10-18 07:38 PM - Post#247372    

Catching up to both Friday's game and this one just right now. Thank you oh so much NY Times for not including a Friday single college basketball score in Saturday's home delivery.

We won 2 out of 3 games this week, which is basically what we needed to do. That's a tough assignment playing 5 games in 9 days--we're looking at you, Princeton University scheduling.
penn nation
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02-10-18 07:39 PM - Post#247373    

We discussed this earlier this week. NESN dictated the change...pretty ridiculous. 7 pm Bruins game (but still, one hour reserved for pre-Bruins coverage).
Stuart Suss
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02-10-18 08:39 PM - Post#247382    

From DP game story:

Max Rothschild was “not 100 percent” all weekend due to a cyst in his tailbone, according to [Steve] Donahue.

“He was completely dehydrated, drained, exhausted," Donahue said. "He had sleepless nights coming into the weekend. I’m surprised he even played.”
tguru
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02-10-18 08:46 PM - Post#247383    

  • Charlie Fog Said:
Not an excuse, but what is this 4:00 start time Bs?



That/ plus somewhere near the border of criminal and we don't give a damn what we put these amateur athletes through physically.
penn nation
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02-10-18 10:00 PM - Post#247406    

After this weekend's games, Harvard and Penn will almost surely be the #1 and #2 seeds.

Penn still has a chance to get the #1 seed and guaranteed postseason tourney berth, but to do so it would almost certainly need to beat Harvard in the home rematch.


dperry
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dperry
02-10-18 10:05 PM - Post#247409    

  • penn nation Said:


We won 2 out of 3 games this week, which is basically what we needed to do. That's a tough assignment playing 5 games in 9 days--we're looking at you, Princeton University scheduling.



In fairness, the second Princeton game has always been in the middle of some week, and always will be regardless of Princeton's academic schedule, unless you really want to play them both times at the beginning of the league season like the other three pairs do, which I sure don't.
David Perry
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To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!"

penn nation
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02-10-18 10:14 PM - Post#247411    

Before the advent of the IL tourney, the 2nd Princeton game was that Tuesday, but that was it--no five games in nine days. The IL bid was usually among the very earliest of the NCAA bids, and there was a nice week+ break before the next game to be played.

No longer.

Actually, now that IL tourney has done away with Penn-Princeton being the last IL regular season game of the year (which, God forbid, they would never do with Harvard-Yale Football), I'm actually all for precisely what you suggest since there's no longer any special status attached to P-Pr games.

Penn and Princeton SHOULD play each other early on twice, before the rest of the IL games take place. Otherwise they get into the kind of situation they just faced--5 IL games in 9 days--that no other IL team has to contend with. Both Penn and Princeton suffered from this, especially Penn with that ridiculous 4 pm start today.

  • dperry Said:
  • penn nation Said:


We won 2 out of 3 games this week, which is basically what we needed to do. That's a tough assignment playing 5 games in 9 days--we're looking at you, Princeton University scheduling.



In fairness, the second Princeton game has always been in the middle of some week, and always will be regardless of Princeton's academic schedule, unless you really want to play them both times at the beginning of the league season like the other three pairs do, which I sure don't.



dperry
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dperry
02-10-18 11:48 PM - Post#247419    

  • penn nation Said:
Before the advent of the IL tourney, the 2nd Princeton game was that Tuesday, but that was it--no five games in nine days. The IL bid was usually among the very earliest of the NCAA bids, and there was a nice week+ break before the next game to be played.

No longer.

Actually, now that IL tourney has done away with Penn-Princeton being the last IL regular season game of the year (which, God forbid, they would never do with Harvard-Yale Football), I'm actually all for precisely what you suggest since there's no longer any special status attached to P-Pr games.

Penn and Princeton SHOULD play each other early on twice, before the rest of the IL games take place. Otherwise they get into the kind of situation they just faced--5 IL games in 9 days--that no other IL team has to contend with. Both Penn and Princeton suffered from this, especially Penn with that ridiculous 4 pm start today.




1. Even when the second game was the last of the season, it still made three games in five days, which was bad enough, particularly when it was often important--see 2012 for an example of that.
2. Also, always having that game at the end of the season was a relatively recent phenomenon--it really only started after I graduated ('92). There were many years before that where both games were in the middle of the week.
3. The scheduling of the two games is still at the discretion of the two teams; the SEA hasn't changed that--the women played each other the last Tuesday last season. They've chosen to move it to get the rest before the SEA, but they weren't required to.
4. It would be very difficult to have both games at the beginning of the league season with Princeton's current calendar, unless you wanted to do what Harvard and Dartmouth used to do and play one game in December, which is way too early to play any league game, much less one against a program that is generally one of the better ones in the league. However, even if Princeton does move their exams before Christmas, I still want to reserve one game for later, both because it's still a big rivalry, and it would be a shame for it to be over before the rest of the season even begins, and also because they're one of the better programs, and even with the SEA, I don't want to take the chance of losing both games and being behind the 8-ball that early. (May have more to say about this after the women's game on Tuesday.) Furthermore, it would make it even harder to schedule Big 5 games than it already is.
David Perry
Penn '92
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To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!"

Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
02-11-18 12:34 AM - Post#247420    

Tough game to end a long run, but honestly coming out of this 7-1, is just about as good as we could ask for heading into it. Of course would have loved to find a way to win @Harvard, but my assumption was that would be tough and after seeing last nights result, I wasn’t feeling it.

If we can get Max healthy and come in more rested, I like our chances at the Palestra even if they do get Aiken back.

Moving forward, I think Coach Donahue needs to get more bench mins to keep the starters fresh through the end of the season. I especially think we have to find a way to get Simmons closer to 15 mins a game and frankly if Max was that banged up today it makes no sense to me why one of our most athletic players never got off the the bench especially when Lewis was having his way inside (it’s not like what we were doing was working). Wood had a really brutal shooting weekend, and while I liked that Donahue stuck with him anyway, we’ve got to find ways to get other shooters in the game during some of these droughts.
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02-11-18 12:37 AM - Post#247421    

I couldn’t watch the end as closely as I would have liked (just joined the Dad club on Mon), so I didn’t see clearly why Max went out. Did it look related to this tailbone issue?
PennFan10
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02-11-18 01:50 AM - Post#247422    

Jarrod has not developed this season. He was lost against Dartmouth and looks very tentative. I don't see how playing him in a big game at Harvard was going to help him. I have no problem with SD not playing him today.
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02-11-18 02:43 AM - Post#247424    

Yeah that was just my snap reaction, but I’m sure you’re right. He definitely seems to have regressed the last month instead of progressed which is a shame because I still think the need more time from him to be the best version of itself to give AJ and Max a break (and honestly he has all the tools, but just seems to lack the confidence).

Unrelated but I got to watch some more of the game and while it’s still a disappointing result, have to like how the team never gave up and did make a little run when it looked like they could have folded into a blow out. Let’s get them in the rematch at the Palestra.
10Q
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02-11-18 07:31 AM - Post#247425    

My dreams of a 14-0 Ivy season are shattered. I will be consoled by two double digit wins next weekend. LGQ!!
mrjames
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02-11-18 07:42 AM - Post#247427    

Congrats on joining the dad club! It’s fun. We meet mornings at 5:30 am.
SomeGuy
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02-11-18 10:53 AM - Post#247432    

Not sure what it means, but I thought Harvard played smaller at the 3-4 than they sometimes do (while play8ng bigger at the 5 by having Lewis or Welsh on the court all game). And while i I only could watch the first half and didn’t see if we changed up the Defense, I think having Woods on Towns and AJ on Bassey (and of course Max on Lewis) wasn’t working for us in the first half. Seemed like we were losing all 3 matchups while I was watching.


penn nation
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02-11-18 11:50 AM - Post#247437    

In the earlier times the Ps dominated the Ivies. That is no longer the case. Why put yourself and your travel partner at a competitive disadvantage?

  • dperry Said:
  • penn nation Said:
Before the advent of the IL tourney, the 2nd Princeton game was that Tuesday, but that was it--no five games in nine days. The IL bid was usually among the very earliest of the NCAA bids, and there was a nice week+ break before the next game to be played.

No longer.

Actually, now that IL tourney has done away with Penn-Princeton being the last IL regular season game of the year (which, God forbid, they would never do with Harvard-Yale Football), I'm actually all for precisely what you suggest since there's no longer any special status attached to P-Pr games.

Penn and Princeton SHOULD play each other early on twice, before the rest of the IL games take place. Otherwise they get into the kind of situation they just faced--5 IL games in 9 days--that no other IL team has to contend with. Both Penn and Princeton suffered from this, especially Penn with that ridiculous 4 pm start today.




1. Even when the second game was the last of the season, it still made three games in five days, which was bad enough, particularly when it was often important--see 2012 for an example of that.
2. Also, always having that game at the end of the season was a relatively recent phenomenon--it really only started after I graduated ('92). There were many years before that where both games were in the middle of the week.
3. The scheduling of the two games is still at the discretion of the two teams; the SEA hasn't changed that--the women played each other the last Tuesday last season. They've chosen to move it to get the rest before the SEA, but they weren't required to.
4. It would be very difficult to have both games at the beginning of the league season with Princeton's current calendar, unless you wanted to do what Harvard and Dartmouth used to do and play one game in December, which is way too early to play any league game, much less one against a program that is generally one of the better ones in the league. However, even if Princeton does move their exams before Christmas, I still want to reserve one game for later, both because it's still a big rivalry, and it would be a shame for it to be over before the rest of the season even begins, and also because they're one of the better programs, and even with the SEA, I don't want to take the chance of losing both games and being behind the 8-ball that early. (May have more to say about this after the women's game on Tuesday.) Furthermore, it would make it even harder to schedule Big 5 games than it already is.



PennFan10
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02-11-18 11:59 AM - Post#247440    

I wonder if we do better when Harvard plays with Aiken. Chris Lewis took 14 shots and made 71%. Aiken is a high volume shooter and Lewis seems to be taking 7-10 shots when playing with Aiken.

Post touches are higher percentage shots, typically. Provided Aiken doesn't shoot 70% I think Harvard isn't as patient with getting the ball to Lewis with Aiken on the floor. They may not need to be. Seth Towns was 6-14 with Woods on him, Bassey was 3-8, Corey 0-5.
Mike Porter
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02-11-18 12:59 PM - Post#247443    

  • mrjames Said:
Congrats on joining the dad club! It’s fun. We meet mornings at 5:30 am.



Hah, thanks Mike! I’ll look forward to the meetings. Right now we are enjoying the 3 hour cycle and rotations.
penn nation
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02-11-18 01:32 PM - Post#247445    

Grab whatever sleep you can get. And hopefully you have a good network of support from family and friends to help you out here. Begging is encouraging.

Our first kids were twin boys. I barely got any sleep the first 6 months. My "vacation" was going to work, where I could actually do what I wanted, when I wanted!
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
02-11-18 02:59 PM - Post#247454    

Yes that’s what we are definitely trying to do! Thankfully my wife’s family is here in Los Angeles. My younger brother is out here but my parents are still in South Jersey (though my mom will have plenty of excuses to come visit now for first grandchild and especially for a granddaughter since she never had a girl to dress up of her own). I’m not above begging either, haha. I’ve been off last week and will take at least a few more days but will prob go back to work mid next week and save some time off for later when my wife will have less help.
SteveChop
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02-11-18 03:55 PM - Post#247461    

Congratulations Mike on your new club membership! The most expensive club you will join (even more expensive than Mar-A-Lago!) but the MOST rewarding and fun. Enjoy every day with your new daughter - you will not believe how the time flies. And the most important sayings for you are "You're right, dear" and "I'm sorry".
SteveChop
PhD Student
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02-11-18 04:32 PM - Post#247466    

Boy, Mike! That kid changed gender and grew up fast! See this article

http://www.yardbarker.com/college_basketball/ar tic...
dperry
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dperry
02-13-18 01:59 PM - Post#247693    

  • penn nation Said:
In the earlier times the Ps dominated the Ivies. That is no longer the case. Why put yourself and your travel partner at a competitive disadvantage?




My overall point is, I don't think that competitive disadvantage outweighs the other disadvantages I mentioned before, particularly if Princeton doesn't change their calendar.
David Perry
Penn '92
"Hail, Alma Mater/Thy sons cheer thee now
To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!"




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