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1979Quakers
Freshman
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 02-17-18 12:55 PM - Post#248209    

The Quakers open as a 5.5 point favorite.
Silver Maple
Postdoc
Posts 3778
 02-17-18 01:13 PM - Post#248215    

The Cornell road trip is always hard, and Cornell's got talent and is playing well right now. That said, those guys played a 3OT game last night in beating Princeton, with four of their starters having played more than 40 minutes (Morgan played 51). Penn's starters, OTOH, are relatively rested, as the bench played a lot of minutes (and scored a lot of points) last night. Not getting complacent here, but I think the Quakers should be able to get out of Ithaca with a win.
TheLine
Professor
Posts 5597
 02-17-18 01:42 PM - Post#248229    

Morgan played 51 minutes, Gettings 45.

Rothschild played only 12 minutes but looked like he was having trouble moving. That long bus ride up to Ithaca isn't going to do him any favors if there's some injury slowing him down
Streamers
Professor
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Streamers 		02-17-18 02:15 PM - Post#248240    

Goodman gets the assignment on Morgan?
TheLine
Professor
Posts 5597
 02-17-18 03:24 PM - Post#248272    

I'd go with Foreman - he's been very sharp at defending the arc.

It's a nice luxury to have options.
Mike Porter
Postdoc
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Mike Porter 		02-17-18 04:21 PM - Post#248275    

Didn’t get to circle back on the thread, but obviously great finish end of second half and loved seeing Goodman basically create the momentum that won the game (with his 5 point burst to take the lead).

I was always a fan of Goodman last year and was a little surprised he got buried this year, but it made sense at the time because it looked like he forgot how to shoot (he missing BADLY on any jumper). Last night, drilling five 3’s, hopefully he has found his stroke and this is a big confidence boost for him. Hope we continue to see more of him.

Now if only we could get Simmons to win back his minutes from MacDonald...
Quakers03
Professor
Posts 12533
 02-17-18 04:31 PM - Post#248277    

I've got to say, even though Simmons hasn't been getting minutes recently, he is as into these games from the bench as every one of his teammates, if not more. Nice to see.
Mike Porter
Postdoc
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Mike Porter 		02-17-18 04:56 PM - Post#248280    

Yep he definitely is! He was super excited in the locker room video after the win at Princeton also. I’m rooting for him because he has all the tools. I hope he figures out how to use them to add to the team.
Glenflesk
Freshman
Posts 67
 02-17-18 07:16 PM - Post#248295    

If one doesn't have the IL package, what channel in Phila is the game on? What channel is that NBC local sport one?

Or what channel on the Internet?
palestra38
Professor
Posts 32837
 02-17-18 07:33 PM - Post#248299    

You cannot watch it on any other platform. It is on the radio at 990 AM
Stuart Suss
PhD Student
Posts 1439
 02-17-18 07:41 PM - Post#248301    

If you need a video feed, try this one.
Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts 1900
 02-17-18 07:47 PM - Post#248304    

Who is this guy Goodman? He looks so fast, active, and confident. I hardly recognize him.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 7001
Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 07:54 PM - Post#248305    

This Cornell PBP is a piece of work. So far he’s screwed up both Woods and Betley’s names.

Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 07:56 PM - Post#248306    

Penn looking very shaky against the Cornell press.

penn nation
Professor
Posts 21212
 02-17-18 07:59 PM - Post#248307    

Why are we playing an early Saturday game for the second straight week?

I see the Yale/Harvard game doesn't start for another week tonight.
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:01 PM - Post#248308    

So the 12 Cornell fans there can get to the third period of the hockey game.

Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:03 PM - Post#248309    

Missed front end from Devon. Fabulous.

He’s also almost forced two steals, but failed to control the dribble each time.

Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:06 PM - Post#248310    

Max with the dumbass 3rd foul.

Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:10 PM - Post#248311    

Goodman shows he can blow a shot at the rim as well as Foreman and Woods can.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 7001
Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:12 PM - Post#248313    

Perfect end to the half, a bad pass from Foreman to Betley.

31-31 HALF.

They’ve gotten us to play down to their level. Mistakes all around.

91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1126
 02-17-18 08:16 PM - Post#248314    

That was U-G-L-Y.
palestra38
Professor
Posts 32837
 02-17-18 08:20 PM - Post#248319    

Truly, but just have to keep going to AJ and let someone get hot from 3. It's all there.
Mike Porter
Postdoc
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Mike Porter 		02-17-18 08:28 PM - Post#248321    

Another not great start and Gettings and Morgan have basically been contained. Need to step up defense because even without those guys getting going, Cornell shot better than 50% and as last night shows we do not want to get into a FT shooting contest with this team.
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:33 PM - Post#248322    

I feel like I O.D.’ed on Ivy League Athletics house ads during that halftime break.

Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:36 PM - Post#248324    

Penn starts second half in 1-3-1 zone, Cornell shreds it.

Mike Porter
Postdoc
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Mike Porter 		02-17-18 08:37 PM - Post#248325    

Ugh I’m still on house ads.

P.S. Columbia and Dartmouth are up big on Princteon and Brown.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21212
 02-17-18 08:39 PM - Post#248326    

Columbia is on cheesesteak pace and is draining 3s like holy cow. Princeton cannot buy a basket to save its life.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 7001
Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:40 PM - Post#248327    

Antonio with a clear path to the hoop, shoots completely over it on layup attempt.

Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:40 PM - Post#248328    

Ryan’s hot.

penn nation
Professor
Posts 21212
 02-17-18 08:41 PM - Post#248329    

TMI
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:42 PM - Post#248330    

Very nice pick n roll from Antonio to A.J.

tguru
Masters Student
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 02-17-18 08:44 PM - Post#248331    

  • Chip Bayers Said:
Perfect end to the half, a bad pass from Foreman to Betley.

31-31 HALF.

They’ve gotten us to play down to their level. Mistakes all around.



What did you expect?
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:44 PM - Post#248333    

“Patrick Betley.” For the second time in the game.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 7001
Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:46 PM - Post#248334    

Huge o-board and putback for the and-1 by Brodeur because he ran the floor hard in transition.

45-38 Penn.

penn nation
Professor
Posts 21212
 02-17-18 08:46 PM - Post#248335    

They could call him Patrick Kane for all I care. Nice hat trick there.
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:48 PM - Post#248336    

Goodman blows the acrobatic reverse layup, then fouls Morgan in transition at other end. Bad sequence.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 7001
Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:49 PM - Post#248337    

Caleb as hot as Ryan.

And I’m not ashamed to say it.

10Q
Professor
Posts 23405
 02-17-18 08:51 PM - Post#248338    

Good thing we are hitting 3's.
penn nation
Professor
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 02-17-18 08:51 PM - Post#248339    

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that was the worst whooping Princeton has ever had in a IL first half since...well, you know.

Actually, this thrashing was even worse I think. They have been totally dominated.
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:54 PM - Post#248341    

A.J. gets blocked because Devon threw an entry pass at his feet, forcing him to go down for it, and allowing Julian to come from behind.
91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1126
 02-17-18 08:55 PM - Post#248342    

So anyone know why the H-Y game is so late?
Stuart Suss
PhD Student
Posts 1439
 02-17-18 08:56 PM - Post#248343    

ESPN-U is televising Yale at Harvard. They control the tipoff time.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21212
 02-17-18 08:56 PM - Post#248344    

It's on ESPN3 so I'm guessing that might have been a factor.

But a bit ridiculous having Penn play there at 4 pm the week before compared to the extra 5.5 hours Yale gets.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 7001
Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:58 PM - Post#248345    

For ESPNU.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 7001
Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 08:59 PM - Post#248346    

Have we adequately answered that question?

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 7001
Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:01 PM - Post#248348    

Pretty sure that was a goaltend not a foul.

Devon might be as bad at FT shooting as Matt McDonald.

What a stupid foul to give Morgan 3 FTs.

(Caleb on the foul.)

91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1126
 02-17-18 09:01 PM - Post#248349    

Got it. It's all about the academics. More study time.

BTW, I had to run outside for a minute, came back and checked the boxscore on ESPN. They had Williams and Scott both playing. It has since been corrected but I thought what a stupid time to step out.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21212
 02-17-18 09:02 PM - Post#248350    

Gotta keep Cornell off the foul line. If nothing else that should be the lesson from last night (still catching up on that game--just holy mackerel).
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:04 PM - Post#248351    

Great steal by Wood, and takes it all the way for the tough contested layup.

tguru
Masters Student
Posts 409
 02-17-18 09:04 PM - Post#248352    

Nice take by wood.
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:08 PM - Post#248354    

Terrible force by Foreman.

Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:09 PM - Post#248355    

A.J. is hot.

I am indiscriminate.

penn nation
Professor
Posts 21212
 02-17-18 09:09 PM - Post#248356    

Both teams in the bonus for the final 5. Don't make it a FT shooting contest.
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:10 PM - Post#248357    

Gotta maintain good ball security in the face of Cornell’s scrambling D.

penn nation
Professor
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 02-17-18 09:10 PM - Post#248358    

  • Chip Bayers Said:
A.J. is hot.

I am indiscriminate.



Not that there's anything wrong with that...
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:13 PM - Post#248359    

Holy crap. 57-31 Columbia? They’ve just given up.

91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1126
 02-17-18 09:13 PM - Post#248360    

Shockingly, I think the refs are doing a pretty solid job overall tonight.
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:14 PM - Post#248361    

Yay front end makes.

dperry
Postdoc
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dperry 		02-17-18 09:14 PM - Post#248362    

Is "infractor" even a word?
David Perry
Penn '92
"Hail, Alma Mater/Thy sons cheer thee now
To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!"

Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:15 PM - Post#248363    

Dumb turnover by Cornell, so Woods decides to match it.

dperry
Postdoc
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dperry 		02-17-18 09:16 PM - Post#248364    

Crap. Can't leave him that open.
David Perry
Penn '92
"Hail, Alma Mater/Thy sons cheer thee now
To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!"

91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1126
 02-17-18 09:16 PM - Post#248365    

We are a super 7-13 from the line vs. 11-13 for the big red. Yuck. Again.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21212
 02-17-18 09:16 PM - Post#248366    

Cornell trying to come back from the dead for the second straight night. Oy.
Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 7001
Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:17 PM - Post#248367    

Settling for a deep Darnell 3 is terrible offense.

And of course we get burned at the other end by a McBride 3 off the long miss and transition.

Lead down to 5. Ridiculous.

dperry
Postdoc
Posts 2214
dperry 		02-17-18 09:18 PM - Post#248368    

Good look by Betley to Brodeur.
David Perry
Penn '92
"Hail, Alma Mater/Thy sons cheer thee now
To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!"

Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:19 PM - Post#248369    

A.J. big 2-2 FTs.

penn nation
Professor
Posts 21212
 02-17-18 09:20 PM - Post#248370    

We are following the Princeton script a bit too closely. Gotta hit more FTs.
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:20 PM - Post#248371    

Max with the bigger 0-2.

dperry
Postdoc
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dperry 		02-17-18 09:22 PM - Post#248372    

Boy that was close with Betley.
David Perry
Penn '92
"Hail, Alma Mater/Thy sons cheer thee now
To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!"

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 7001
Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:22 PM - Post#248373    

Very shaky ball handling against trap, but Betley survives and gets call.

Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts 7001
Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:22 PM - Post#248374    

2 huge FTs.

dperry
Postdoc
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dperry 		02-17-18 09:23 PM - Post#248375    

Now he just called Silpe "Jack."
David Perry
Penn '92
"Hail, Alma Mater/Thy sons cheer thee now
To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!"

penn nation
Professor
Posts 21212
 02-17-18 09:27 PM - Post#248376    

What an incredible season this has been.

So satisfying.
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:27 PM - Post#248377    

Caleb 0-2. Ouch.

Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:29 PM - Post#248378    

Always satisfying to see Brian Earl lose.

penn nation
Professor
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 02-17-18 09:30 PM - Post#248379    

More satisfying to see Earl and Henderson both take it on the chin at the same time.
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 09:31 PM - Post#248380    

79-71 FINAL.

palestra38
Professor
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 02-17-18 09:34 PM - Post#248381    

AJ might be the best offensive big man in the League now. And with Betley hitting, we weren't going to lose to Cornell.

Of course, we need to have our better foul shooters need to be in when they are going to commit intentional fouls. That's the one thing that gives me agita
Charlie Fog
Masters Student
Posts 587
 02-17-18 09:41 PM - Post#248384    

Wow, Columbia dismantling Princeton. So sad
1979Quakers
Freshman
Posts 81
 02-17-18 09:41 PM - Post#248385    

Off topic, Columbia is blasting Princeton by 21 with under 3 minutes left.
palestra38
Professor
Posts 32837
 02-17-18 09:42 PM - Post#248386    

See my comment on the Princeton board
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21212
 02-17-18 09:43 PM - Post#248387    

It was all in the first half. Second half they've been treading water.

Princeton in very serious danger of not making the tourney, although if Dartmouth holds on and beats Brown tonight they will be among 5 teams going for the 4th slot.
10Q
Professor
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 02-17-18 09:45 PM - Post#248388    

Seems like we'd prefer Princeton makes the tourney. We own them.
Charlie Fog
Masters Student
Posts 587
 02-17-18 09:46 PM - Post#248389    

We got this
1979Quakers
Freshman
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 02-17-18 09:49 PM - Post#248391    

It's hard to believe that the same team that won over USC in December just got blown up by the 6-16 Lions.
penn nation
Professor
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 02-17-18 09:50 PM - Post#248392    

I don't want Princeton making anything.

And Brown did lose to Dartmouth. So Princeton might possible even finish last. Although at the same time it also slightly increases their chances of making the tourney.
penn nation
Professor
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 02-17-18 09:51 PM - Post#248393    

Speaking of which, that team has not been the same since Boatwright got hurt (not that Princeton saw him, either). And now he's done for the year.
Charlie Fog
Masters Student
Posts 587
 02-17-18 09:56 PM - Post#248396    

Let’s move the Harvard game to 4
1979Quakers
Freshman
Posts 81
 02-17-18 10:00 PM - Post#248399    

Brown's loss to Dartmouth means the Quakers are the first to clinch a tournament spot.
Charlie Fog
Masters Student
Posts 587
 02-17-18 10:04 PM - Post#248400    

Brown is a juggernaut
1979Quakers
Freshman
Posts 81
 02-17-18 10:08 PM - Post#248402    

4am would be preferred.
penn nation
Professor
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 02-17-18 10:08 PM - Post#248403    

So at the beginning of the year who had the upcoming Princeton-Dartmouth game as the first virtual elimination contest of the year?
Charlie Fog
Masters Student
Posts 587
 02-17-18 10:11 PM - Post#248405    

We got this!
1979Quakers
Freshman
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 02-17-18 10:21 PM - Post#248407    

For some reason, I think Columbia will emerge from the pillow fight for the fourth slot.
penn nation
Professor
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 02-17-18 10:33 PM - Post#248409    

Tip-off time now 9:38 in Allston due to the tight Texas Tech-Baylor contest.
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 10:46 PM - Post#248411    

Not showing up on my AppleTV ESPN app.

penn nation
Professor
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 02-17-18 10:50 PM - Post#248412    

Watch ESPN is still in the final minute of the other game.
caughtinasnare
Senior
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 02-17-18 10:50 PM - Post#248413    

ESPN News has the Yale/Harvard game on.
Chip Bayers
Professor
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Chip Bayers 		02-17-18 10:50 PM - Post#248414    

I have since learned it’s on ESPNNews.

10Q
Professor
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 02-17-18 10:52 PM - Post#248415    

Think how much more we would care 2 years ago. Terrible
penn nation
Professor
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 02-17-18 10:52 PM - Post#248416    

Indeed, but I hope this game goes to 5 OTs and keeps Yale and Harvard on the backburner.
penn nation
Professor
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 02-17-18 10:58 PM - Post#248417    

11:42 to go in the first half, and ESPNU has finally arrived with H up 16-10.
penn nation
Professor
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 02-17-18 11:09 PM - Post#248420    

5:58 to go, and Yale hasn't scored any further. Harvard really making it tough on D.
penn nation
Professor
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 02-18-18 12:25 AM - Post#248430    

That Harvard D was pretty ferocious tonight.

Battle for first place at the Palestra. Hopefully we can handle their big guy better this time around.
weinhauers_ghost
Postdoc
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 02-18-18 03:39 AM - Post#248438    

  • penn nation Said:
That Harvard D was pretty ferocious tonight.

Battle for first place at the Palestra. Hopefully we can handle their big guy better this time around.



Yale didn't have an answer for Lewis, either. Atkinson just wasn't strong enough to hold his position in the post on either end of the floor. When they double teamed him, he found open teammates who made Yale pay.

They didn't shoot well until the second half, and they turned the ball over way too much. And then they faded down the stretch.

Sound familiar?
Quakers03
Professor
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 02-18-18 08:43 AM - Post#248444    

  • palestra38 Said:
Of course, we need to have our better foul shooters need to be in when they are going to commit intentional fouls. That's the one thing that gives me agita


It does seem to be a bit of an end game trend but in fairness, he realized his mistake and got Max out right after that.

  • Chip Bayers Said:
Always satisfying to see Brian Earl lose.


I was thinking the same thing. I was also thinking how much easier it must be for opposing coaches to get to face the same system multiple times a year.

Another good win last night. An aggressive AJ is the best AJ. It is really comforting to have confidence as these games wind down. We have an excellent team who the coach has a tremendous pulse of. It's a complete 180. I wake up after these games and just crave more. What a pleasure. They can't overlook Friday but man am I excited for Saturday. The shame is if they win, they can't afford a slip up at Yale or they'd most likely lose the tiebreak. Just keep it rolling and I hope Max is somehow getting healthy.
10Q
Professor
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 02-18-18 08:47 AM - Post#248445    

What's the tie breaker?
palestra38
Professor
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 02-18-18 08:49 AM - Post#248446    

Of course, Harvard could lose to Princeton before coming to the Palestra. Not that I think that likely at this point, but doesn't it feel odd rooting for Princeton?
Quakers03
Professor
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 02-18-18 09:08 AM - Post#248448    

Assuming a head to head split, it goes to record vs the next top team. Harvard's loss was to Coulmbia so assuming Yale finishes 3rd, we can't afford a loss in New Haven. If we beat Yale but lose to Brown or Dartmouth it would come down to who gets the 4th spot. At least that's my understanding.

It does feel odd rooting for the evil ones but I did it in the Doug Davis game. Just need a shower after. However, that's a dead team walking.
10Q
Professor
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 02-18-18 09:17 AM - Post#248449    

In the old days, the upcoming Harvard game would be critical in determining who dances.

This year it is still a big game, but it only affects who may get an NIT bid and seeding in the big dance. So it's far far less important.
Quakers03
Professor
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 02-18-18 10:44 AM - Post#248454    

Correct. It also matters for someone trying to choose where to buy seats for the Sunday game.

How are regular season titles awarded now that there's no tiebreak? I guess a tie means both get a banner? It's so nice to be able to have this discussion.
10Q
Professor
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 02-18-18 10:52 AM - Post#248455    

I already got tickets for Sunday’s game. Now that’s faith.
SomeGuy
Professor
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 02-18-18 10:55 AM - Post#248456    

Also, while it is a little hard to see how Ivy seeding would matter right now with the logjam, it might look different in a couple of weeks. Yale with Mason back may look a lot more like a team to avoid by then. I don’t expect Brown, Columbia, or Cornell to suddenly win 4 straight, but if someone did, they’d look like an opponent to avoid sitting at 8-6 with Cambridge, Smith, or Morgan on a hot streak. So the number one seed may turnout to matter.


10Q
Professor
Posts 23405
 02-18-18 10:57 AM - Post#248457    

Crapshoot
penn nation
Professor
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 02-18-18 11:52 AM - Post#248469    

  • 10Q Said:
In the old days, the upcoming Harvard game would be critical in determining who dances.

This year it is still a big game, but it only affects who may get an NIT bid and seeding in the big dance. So it's far far less important.



In my opinion the autobid to a postseason tourney is huge. That's because the IL tourney is going to be a total crapshoot this year. It would be a crying shame for a very likely 20+ win Penn team not to even make the postseason given how it has so wonderfully performed above expectations this year.
10Q
Professor
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 02-18-18 11:56 AM - Post#248471    

Meh
Silver Maple
Postdoc
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 02-18-18 11:57 AM - Post#248472    

Agreed. Winning the regular season title really does matter. If Penn ends this season without an appearance in either the NCAA tournament or the NIT, that will be a huge disappointment. It would suck for the players, and a lot of the potential recruiting benefit of this unexpectedly good season may be lost.
10Q
Professor
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 02-18-18 12:30 PM - Post#248477    

A few months ago I would have agreed. Now, anything but the big dance would be hugely disappointing.
palestra38
Professor
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 02-18-18 12:40 PM - Post#248480    

Agreed, but Penn should have no trouble beating anyone but Harvard at the Palestra. If Penn lost to any of those teams at home, that Would suck
penn nation
Professor
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 02-18-18 12:42 PM - Post#248481    

1) The IL is too unpredictable this year

2) Some of the other IL competitors are getting some of their top talent back late in the year

3) Some of the other IL competitors are simply more talented and have higher ceilings than Penn

4) The IL tourney in general is a crapshoot and this year more than last

Can't be heartbroken if we don't win the whole tourney. Now that Princeton team last year....that team would have been crushed if they didn't win it, and understandably so.

In order to advance to any postseason tourney beyond the IL tourney, we may have to defeat Harvard twice. That will not be an easy task.
10Q
Professor
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 02-18-18 12:52 PM - Post#248482    

As long as we beat them on Sunday, the first one won’t matter.
Streamers
Professor
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Streamers 		02-18-18 01:07 PM - Post#248484    

They really need to get some consistency at the FT line; even our more reliable kids were clanking them last night.
TheLine
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 02-18-18 01:21 PM - Post#248487    

Or consistency in general, even with the better players. Betley had one of his best and one of his worst games in the same weekend.

Fortunately AJ has been consistently good in Ivy play.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21212
 02-18-18 01:56 PM - Post#248488    

The other good bit is that we have had quite a few players step up off the bench this year to play crucial roles in victories.

That makes it challenging to prepare for Penn. We don’t have unbelievable talent but we have a whole bunch of players who can step up when needed and play within a solid team concept.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21212
 02-18-18 01:58 PM - Post#248489    

Man you are taking way too much for granted.
10Q
Professor
Posts 23405
 02-18-18 02:01 PM - Post#248491    

I’m taking the semi final “for granted “ aka beating a dwarf.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21212
 02-18-18 02:18 PM - Post#248494    

If Penn has a #2 seed and has to face a likely #3 seed Yale with Mason now back in the fold that ain’t no dwarf.
PennFan10
Postdoc
Posts 3587
 02-18-18 03:34 PM - Post#248502    

You mean the Mason led team that lost by 20 last night?
penn nation
Professor
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 02-18-18 03:56 PM - Post#248503    

The Crimson team that played like that last night will win the IL. Not as much a statement about Mason as it is about Harvard really finding its groove.
Quakers03
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 02-18-18 04:17 PM - Post#248504    

Eh. I think Penn, if Max is healthy, gives that Harvard team last night quite the game at the Palestra. While Harvard did a lot to stem runs, Yale let that game get out of hand early and I didn't think it was all Harvard's doing.

As for Mason, it's tough to cite his first game back as evidence that they won't be someone we want to avoid.
PennFan10
Postdoc
Posts 3587
 02-18-18 04:44 PM - Post#248508    

It’s just as hard to speculate they are a team to be worried about. They are what they are at this point.
Streamers
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Streamers 		02-18-18 06:02 PM - Post#248521    

I suspect Penn would be a 3-4 pt favorite at home as of now.
mrjames
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 02-18-18 06:15 PM - Post#248524    

***SMALL SAMPLE ALERT***

By my eyeballing the PBP, it looks like Yale lost 35-29 with Mason on the floor in 21 mins & Mason shot 2-for-6 from the line (I believe he missed a front end, IIRC, and I always add those back). So if he shoots a normal 4 or 5 for 6, that’d be, say, 35-31 or 35-32 versus an off floor of 29-20.

Having watched the game a couple times, Yale did indeed look better with Mason out there. The looks the Bulldogs got were much cleaner, as Mason was not only shooting but also creating for others off the bounce. His turnover was even pretty impressive - a cross court whipped skip pass that was a shade high but would have been an open three on the back side of the Harvard D.

I didn’t see a ton of rust. That being said, for a Yale team without the rim protection he was used to when he was out there before (or even in the preseason with Bruner), he’s gonna be a defensive liability.

Remains to be seen if he can build to 30 mins a game with such a short remaining runway too.
SomeGuy
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 02-18-18 06:17 PM - Post#248525    

Is it more of a crapshoot than last year (or most years)? Harvard and Yale last year looked pretty even coming in and played that way. This year, you have two 9-1 teams. Third place is 5-5. At least the way the games have played out so far, there is way more space between 2 and 3 than there was last year. So I think overall the top 2 as of today would have a significantly better chance of both advancing than they did last year. Maybe the season itself has been more of a crapshoot for 3rd place, but that won’t matter for the tour
SomeGuy
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 02-18-18 06:17 PM - Post#248526    

Is it more of a crapshoot than last year (or most years)? Harvard and Yale last year looked pretty even coming in and played that way. This year, you have two 9-1 teams. Third place is 5-5. At least the way the games have played out so far, there is way more space between 2 and 3 than there was last year. So I think overall the top 2 as of today would have a significantly better chance of both advancing than they did last year. Maybe the season itself has been more of a crapshoot for 3rd place, but that won’t matter for the tournament unless someone gets hot.
penn nation
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 02-18-18 06:53 PM - Post#248529    

Princeton was a clear favorite to come out of the tourney last year. I doubt such a clear favorite will emerge this year.

And for a 9-1 team, we're not exactly talking a Penn juggernaut. This is not the kind of team that is going to regularly demolish its Ivy competitors by double digits. What's different this year is that we've raised our floor considerably....not that the ceiling height has changed all that much.
SomeGuy
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Posts 6413
 02-18-18 07:18 PM - Post#248530    

Got it. Don’t short change the Quakers too much — 9-1 is 9-1.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21212
 02-18-18 07:34 PM - Post#248532    

  • SomeGuy Said:
Got it. Don’t short change the Quakers too much — 9-1 is 9-1.



Not at all. They are winning games! For many of us, a revelation after so many years in the desert. Finding ways to do it in the second half, just about every game, as a team.
caughtinasnare
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 02-18-18 07:44 PM - Post#248536    

To be fair, they were making offense for defense subs with Mason toward the end, so it makes sense he scored a few without giving up some in the +/-.
Old Bear
Postdoc
Posts 3998
 02-18-18 08:03 PM - Post#248539    

The Mason issue might be less important that the Aikens issue.
SomeGuy
Professor
Posts 6413
 02-18-18 09:01 PM - Post#248541    

Curious how much Aiken matters at this point, strangely. There may be an adjustment back at some point, but right now Harvard seems to have figured out how to win with Juzang. It may in part be that they now aren’t susceptible to the same things they were when Aiken first got hurt, and teams haven’t caught up yet.

The bad news for the league and is that it appears Harvard has figured out their PG problem.

I’m also curious if the conventional wisdom is right about how to play Harvard. Everyone seems to be going small against them. Yale, for example, spent more time than usual with Oni or Yates essentially playing the 4. Penn did the same thing.
palestra38
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 02-18-18 10:16 PM - Post#248548    

If Penn shoots like it did last night against Harvard, Penn would have won easily. Figuring that Penn will have better interior defense with a healthier Rothschild and won't shoot as poorly as it did in Allston, I give Penn a helluva chance to win next Saturday.
mrjames
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Posts 6062
 02-18-18 10:31 PM - Post#248549    

He actually lost points in the waning moments (5-0). He got crushed in his first run in the game and in those final moments but was strongly positive for long stretches in between, IIRC.
whitakk
Masters Student
Posts 523
 02-19-18 12:32 AM - Post#248562    

I was looking at it today and got about the same numbers. The offensive splits weren't huge (something like .78 vs .72 ppp on/off) but as you mentioned FTs would have made that a little better.

The stats weren't all there but he looked like basically the same player as he was in 2016.
PennFan10
Postdoc
Posts 3587
 02-19-18 01:17 PM - Post#248603    

I was a bit surprised by the small number of minutes from Antonio, and to a lesser extent, Max this weekend. Perhaps both are banged up or maybe it was due to the matchups.

We did a tremendous job on Gettings and Morgan. When the two of them combine for less points than one of them average, it's a good day.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter 		02-19-18 01:34 PM - Post#248606    

I was wondering the same thing about both of them. I assumed Max isn’t back to 100% yet, but I thought Antonio looked a step slower than normal and didn’t show the same athleticism on offense, so was curious if he has a nagging injury.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers 		02-19-18 04:42 PM - Post#248629    

Antonio lost his minutes to Goodman.

SomeGuy
Professor
Posts 6413
 02-19-18 05:17 PM - Post#248638    

I think some of it was just matchups with Max. And maybe not so much about how Max matched up, but more about how AJ matched up, and about whether either team could hurt us without Max on D. We knew from the Palestra that AJ could go off playing as the lone big against Columbia, particularly against Faulds. So I think they quickly went to that matchup. Cornell also plays small a lot. Against both teams, we took advantage of the small opponent lineups to play 3-4 guards at a time ourselves.

As for Goodman, it’s funny — just last week I was saying that out of conference I thought we got some good matchups by playing guys opponents hadn’t scouted for, but that wouldn’t work in conference (everybody knows that if Jones or Donahue comes in, they shoot 3s). But right after I said that, it sure looked on Friday like Columbia didn’t know what to expect from Goodman. What was remarkable was how complete a game he played. Shooting, driving, passing, defending, even setting the screen on Meisner for Wood’s big 3. Maybe you can’t stop a guy who does it all, so it just looked like they didn’t scout him.
Jeff2sf
Postdoc
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 02-19-18 05:19 PM - Post#248640    

re:goodman and scouting. I'm not particularly sure there's anything in a scouting report that would say be wary about him from 3. Even after his first 3 made threes (and possibly even 4), I don't know that you'd want to worry about him from out there.



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