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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1145 |
02-20-18 11:00 AM - Post#248689
I understand that there's still two weeks of basketball to be played. But if form holds, the Dartmouth, Harvard, and Yale women should all end up 8-6 in conference play, and all will have split with each other. With the Ps seemingly taking the two top tourney spots, how do we determine the remaining two if D-H-Y end up deadlocked (as expected)? |
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Stuart Suss PhD Student Posts 1439 |
02-20-18 11:07 AM - Post#248692
First tie breaker: Head to head competition, or, with three teams, head to head to head. What is each team's record against the other two teams? Second tie breaker: Comparative record vs. 1st place team, then vs. 2nd place team, then vs. 3rd place team. So Yale's victory over Princeton would be significant. If one team separates from the others, then you go back and break the tie the same way between the remaining two teams. |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1145 |
02-20-18 11:31 AM - Post#248697
Thanks! Yale did indeed beat Princeton. So if form holds, the Elis will get spot #3. Again, with the caveat that still plenty of basketball to be played, Dartmouth and Harvard will end up with identical records and identical results against Ivy opponents. If there are no other tie-breakers (point differential, nonconference performance, etc.) it will either be a play-in game, or a coin flip for the last spot. |
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Stuart Suss PhD Student Posts 1439 |
02-20-18 12:18 PM - Post#248701
The final men's tie breaker is one of the national ratings (Pomeroy, RPI, Sagarin) or an average of a combination of them. There is probably something equivalent for the women. |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1145 |
02-20-18 12:36 PM - Post#248702
There is probably something equivalent for the women. If so, that's good news for Dartmouth. They had a good nonconference record. Arguably the best in school history. I'd be very surprised if the computers like Harvard more. |
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whitakk Masters Student Posts 523 |
02-21-18 12:57 AM - Post#248753
The third women's tiebreaker is an average of the Sagarin and RPI numbers: http://ivymadness.com/information/Tiebreake rs Today, Sagarin has Harvard 142 and Dartmouth 150. RPI has Harvard 69, Dartmouth 90 Given that this tie is conditional on Harvard and Dartmouth having the same results down the stretch, it's unlikely Dartmouth could close the gap. How well non-conference opponents do will affect both rankings, and point differential in remaining games will affect Sagarin, but that RPI gap is pretty large this rate in the season. |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1145 |
02-21-18 09:53 AM - Post#248767
Today, Sagarin has Harvard 142 and Dartmouth 150. RPI has Harvard 69, Dartmouth 90 Bummer. As I said, I find that surprising. Dartmouth had some good OOC victories. Maybe we had some awful losses.... Hopefully we can find a way to take one of the Ps and make this a moot discussion. |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1145 |
02-24-18 10:20 AM - Post#249163
Harvard's beating Penn made the women's race a lot clearer (to Dartmouth's detriment). Dartmouth will have to win out in hopes of finishing a game ahead of Yale to get that fourth spot in the tourney. |
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