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JDP Masters Student Posts 577 |
03-04-18 08:00 PM - Post#250834
The first season in the 48 years of the combined men's and women's team that both the men's and women's teams reached the 20 win mark |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
03-04-18 08:28 PM - Post#250838
To be fair to the women, there was only a single season before 2000 ('82-'83) where they played more than 26 games all year. |
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JDP Masters Student Posts 577 |
03-04-18 09:17 PM - Post#250839
Very fair point - I meant to add a comment about that ... 70-76 the most combined games played in a season were 48, 77-97 it was fairly consistent at 53. 98-17 the average has been 57. Not counting this year - in the past quarter century one team has achieved at least 20 wins 16 times - men 11 & women 5. never together. The women's team has five consecutive 20 win seasons ... last accomplished by the men 1970-71 to 1974-75 (118 wins) Wow ... it's also been 25 years since the championship break through by Jerome & Co and a certain volunteer assistant ... that blizzard and snow pile en route to Syracuse was legendary ... so was the six hours of silence in that car ride home ... |
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LyleGold PhD Student Posts 1712 |
03-04-18 10:07 PM - Post#250844
Wow ... it's also been 25 years since the championship break through by Jerome & Co and a certain volunteer assistant ... that blizzard and snow pile en route to Syracuse was legendary ... so was the six hours of silence in that car ride home ... I made that round trip drive to Syracuse in a 5 speed VW Scirocco with Palestra38 and a couple other fans aboard. As the only one who knew how to drive a stick, I had to do all the driving. We had about a foot of snow on the ground here, but there were 3-4 feet in Syracuse. The mountains of plowed snow were so high you (I, really) couldn't see around the corner when making turns. I don't remember it being a particularly quiet or depressing ride home. We gave national contenders UMass all they could handle and had a couple of chances to steal the game. Maloney threw up one of his post season stinkers (4-18 or something like that). It wouldn't be his only one, as it turns out. Despite that, our core was made up of sophomores and a junior who would continue the undefeated streak for two more years. The next year P38 drove to Nassau Coliseum for the victory over Big8 Champs Nebraska, but his car died on the way back to Philly. Despite all the attention given to the Allen-Maloney backcourt, Barry Pierce showed that he was the guts of that team. We returned for the second round two days later where we scared Final Four bound Florida until the final minutes. Again, an ice cold Maloney was more than we could overcome. Those 14-0 Ivy teams, along with the following year's squad that went to overtime with Alabama in Baltimore thanks to Jerome's 30 point effort, were legitimate league champs whose banners now grace the Palestra. Let's hope this year's team can take care of business next weekend and add another legitimate banner. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
03-04-18 10:25 PM - Post#250845
IIRC, Maloney did play a key role in the second half comeback against Alabama. |
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LyleGold PhD Student Posts 1712 |
03-04-18 10:34 PM - Post#250846
I mostly remember Jerome furiously dragging us back on his own when we looked dead. McDyess killed us, but our backcourt was much better than theirs. Maloney had a bunch of points, too, but missed a ton of shots. |
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QHoops Senior Posts 369 |
03-04-18 10:40 PM - Post#250847
So I was also at the Nassau Coliseum when Penn was simply better than Nebraska, and in Baltimore for the Antonio MyDyess show. OK, none of that is surprising given the self-selection of participating here. But I would have bet real money against ever meeting someone else who also drove a VW Scirocco in 1993. Let's just say that was not the best car I ever drove. And on another historical note, I was at the Mullins Center at UMass a year or two later when Penn was ranked, and Marcus Camby and Lou Roe absolutely destroyed us. I remember we were hoping UMass made their foul shots so they wouldn't get yet another offensive rebound/dunk off a missed shot. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
03-04-18 10:45 PM - Post#250849
Jerome almost singlehandedly pulled out a miracle comeback in OT. I think McDyess became a 1st round choice after that game. He was the difference. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
03-04-18 10:47 PM - Post#250850
And on another historical note, I was at the Mullins Center at UMass a year or two later when Penn was ranked, and Marcus Camby and Lou Roe absolutely destroyed us. I remember we were hoping UMass made their foul shots so they wouldn't get yet another offensive rebound/dunk off a missed shot. I was so psyched for that game. It was on Saturday night and on ESPN, so I could actually watch it for a change (I was living in Boston at the time, in grad school). That was about as thorough of a beatdown as I've ever seen watching Penn (wasn't around to watch the Howard Porter tourney game). |
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LyleGold PhD Student Posts 1712 |
03-04-18 10:48 PM - Post#250851
It was especially poor in the snow. Fortunately P38 provided plenty of ballast, which improved my traction. I forget what he drove the following year, but it was obviously worse than my Scirocco. I remember that nationally televised game at Amherst. It was embarrassing and discouraging. We more than made up for it at Michigan with Dick Vitale going crazy. ("These Quakers are no cupcake city, baby!") I think Jerome was the most surprised person in Crisler Arena when that crazy sideways leaner went in. |
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QHoops Senior Posts 369 |
03-05-18 12:01 AM - Post#250858
"It was especially poor in the snow. ' Yes. Over-powered, and really sub-standard in everything else. Regarding the later UMass game - I don't think I still had the Scirocco when I went to the later UMass game, but if it slipped off the highway and flipped going home it would not have been the worst thing that happened to me that day. |
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LyleGold PhD Student Posts 1712 |
03-05-18 12:30 AM - Post#250859
That's true - it was a very zippy car because it had an 8 valve, 4 cylinder engine. I liked that about it, especially as a manual transmission, but there were so many little mechanical things that kept going wrong with it. It reached the point where it would have cost more than the car was worth to get it through state inspection, so I gave it away to charity and took the tax write off. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8260 
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03-05-18 09:47 AM - Post#250877
Oh, the memories this discussion brings back. I began the 90s driving a really poor example of a US made VW Rabbit, all the while lusting after a 1st gen Scirocco from the early 80s with fuel injection, the 5 speed and the cool single wiper blade. I finally got my hands on one. It was a lot of things, but overpowered (although this was the most powerful version sold globally) wasn’t really one of them. Mine was fine in the snow as long as you had good snow tires up front. It was pretty reliable mechanically, but the electrics and the A/C were enough of a frustration that I sold it in favor of the new and really amazing for its day Acura Integra. Second gen Sciroccos were really crap as VW couldn’t figure out how to handle US emissions/safety regs. Eventually, the US got the really good VW Corrado that I was all set to buy when the arrival of our first daughter made 4 doors a priority. Those Corrados have become collector cars now and good ones fetch a nice price. |
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LyleGold PhD Student Posts 1712 |
03-05-18 10:09 AM - Post#250881
Mine was an'87, so that must have been a 2nd generation. I kept having to replace the oxygen sensor among other things, so that must have been part of the struggles with US emissions regulations. I also nailed a massive pothole on a rainy night on Delaware Ave. and the low suspension bottomed out. That was the beginning of the end. |
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Ancient Quaker Masters Student Posts 648 
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 03-05-18 12:11 PM - Post#250904
What were you up to on a rainy night on Delaware Avenue? Inquiring minds want to know. |
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LyleGold PhD Student Posts 1712 |
03-05-18 01:58 PM - Post#250912
Nothing nefarious. I live in South Philly and came off of I-95 at Washington Ave. That stretch of Delaware Ave. 20 years ago was like Baghdad outside the Green Zone. |
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UPIA1968 PhD Student Posts 1121
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03-05-18 11:16 PM - Post#251015
I had a white one, stick. Great car! But I didn't drive it in the winter to see Penn play. I was in Florida in those days. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
03-06-18 12:16 AM - Post#251021
I still watch the Michigan win on a VCR every once in a while. Up 24-5 early, that Jerome leaner brought me weeks of middle school cred. We still argue whether it was "lucky." No locations like Baltimore or NY this year. Best we could hope for if lucky enough to make it is Pitt or Charlotte. The Flyers play in Carolina on Saturday... |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32840 |
03-06-18 09:02 AM - Post#251030
That's in Raleigh |
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LyleGold PhD Student Posts 1712 |
03-06-18 09:58 AM - Post#251034
That's in Raleigh Wow, last time I was in Raleigh was March 1979. We beat #1 seed North Carolina on Black Sunday on the way to the Final Four. That road passed through Greensborough the following weekend. The corrupt NCAA paved the road for a Duke-UNC Eastern Regional Final on Tobacco Road. Instead, they got Penn-St. John's in an empty arena. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
03-06-18 10:04 AM - Post#251036
Instead, they got Penn-St. John's in an empty arena. That's what they get for making a tourney. |
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LyleGold PhD Student Posts 1712 |
03-06-18 10:07 AM - Post#251038
Well, as Stu Suss pointed out, that does suggest what an ILT at a neutral arena like Bridgeport might look like. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
03-06-18 10:15 AM - Post#251039
Watching those Horizon League semis last night was painful. NO-ONE is there in a stadium that seats 20,000. The front row seats on the end lines were unoccupied. Bridgeport would be somewhat different, I think, if only because IL fans in metro NYC and parts north could easily get to/from the game and sleep in their own beds. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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03-06-18 11:46 AM - Post#251052
14,943 empties to be exact. Must have hired the bad DJ again. Unfortunately we can never reach that number at Webster, since it only seats 9000 for basketball. Those of us who were among the 1672 who attended the Penn-Fairfield game in November can attest to its soullessness and echoey acoustics when it’s mostly empty though. Also to how the 20 or so students in attendance leapt to their feet and danced with abandon when the DJ pumped a muddy version of an ancient Bon Jovi epic through the underpowered arena PA speakers. (This is the great joke of the DJ debate of course: oldies which were heard first on AOR radio in the youth of the Gen-X-and-older crowd make up about 90% of the playlists you hear during game timeouts. The only time you can consistently get anything close to contemporary is when they play hip hop off some player’s Spotify playlist during the early shootarounds, if you’re one of the five people in the stands 40-60 minutes before tip-off.) |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32840 |
03-06-18 11:49 AM - Post#251053
..or when the dance teams come out to strut their stuff |
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10Q Professor Posts 23405 |
03-06-18 12:34 PM - Post#251060
The Palestra is going to ROCK Sunday afternoon. This will be third venture to the Cathedral this year. I witnessed quadruple overtime and cheesesteaks. The Trifecta will be a Quaker net cutting ceremony. |
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LyleGold PhD Student Posts 1712 |
03-06-18 01:24 PM - Post#251076
This will be third venture to the Cathedral this year. I witnessed quadruple overtime and cheesesteaks. The Trifecta will be a Quaker net cutting ceremony. But the 4OT snoozefest was at Monmouth. Which cathedral did you have in mind? |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8260
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03-06-18 01:30 PM - Post#251077
Instead, they got Penn-St. John's in an empty arena. One of the best weekends of my life. I missed Raleigh, but SO many stories from the Greensboro trip. From the folks selling Penn State merch outside and buying tickets for $5 each, to sitting wherever I wanted in a 20,000 seat arena- not to mention all the friends I had who were there from the Penn and Syracuse contingents. The best part (aside from the games) were the parties on the NC State campus where we were the guests of honor as soon as they found out we were from the school that knocked out Carolina. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32840 |
03-06-18 01:46 PM - Post#251083
Raleigh story: https://www.nytimes.com/1979/03/12/archives/s t-joh... Greensboro story: https://www.si.com/vault/1979/03/26/1067 73780/for-... |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
03-06-18 01:58 PM - Post#251085
Louie was rather and sadly prescient: "They'd better be smart," said St. John's Coach Lou Carnesecca. "Someday they'll be controlling our country."
Raleigh story: https://www.nytimes.com/1979/03/12/archives/s t-joh... Greensboro story: https://www.si.com/vault/1979/03/26/1067 73780/for-... |
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10Q Professor Posts 23405 |
03-06-18 02:35 PM - Post#251091
Oops. I meant the Lasalle game. Seemed like 4 OT's at the time. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23405 |
03-06-18 02:36 PM - Post#251092
Pale and Plump! |
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LyleGold PhD Student Posts 1712 |
03-06-18 02:53 PM - Post#251094
The best part (aside from the games) were the parties on the NC State campus where we were the guests of honor as soon as they found out we were from the school that knocked out Carolina. Interesting. The week before in Raleigh, the day between games was a beautiful, sunny Saturday. Hundreds of Penn students descended on the Duke campus. Duke must have been on break (our Spring Break was sandwiched between the two NCAA weekends) because I don't remember a lot of students around. The Days Inn in Durham was party central. I remember people jumping off of balconies into the swimming pool. Because of the weird 40 team bracket that year, Duke and Carolina didn't have to play on Friday night. They were waiting for the winners of St. John's-Temple and Penn-Iona. After Temple was upset by the Johnnies, Owls fans chanted,"Big 5, Big 5," while the Quakers warmed up for the nightcap. Can you imagine rival City Series fans feeling any sense of camaraderie these days? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
03-06-18 02:55 PM - Post#251095
Because of the weird 40 team bracket that year, Duke and Carolina didn't have to play on Friday night. Maybe the ILT should expand to 40 teams. 10Q and I wouldn't mind being able to watch a few more contests. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
03-06-18 07:01 PM - Post#251127
That's in Raleigh You got something better to do in NC on a Saturday while waiting for Penn to play the winner of the 7/10 game? |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32840 |
03-06-18 07:41 PM - Post#251130
Asheville is an hour closer to Charlotte than Raleigh. I would go there long before driving 6 hours RT to see the Flyers play a meaningless regular season game. |
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