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dtannenwald Freshman Posts 14 |
03-09-18 02:38 PM - Post#251561
Hi Everyone, I just wrote a piece for Harvard Magazine about Ivy League women's basketball and the conference tournament. It focuses on the coaches' concerns about the schedule of games, and I wanted to share it as the tournament approaches: https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2018/03/womens-bas... Thanks so much. -David |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1146 |
03-09-18 02:50 PM - Post#251563
<<More important, though, was the fact that the men’s teams did not want a tournament. “We just got the door slammed on us,†said Delaney-Smith. “No tournament, no tournament, no tournament, because only the women wanted it. The men didn’t.â€>> That may have been true way back when. But in more recent times, nobody has been a more vocal opponent of a tournament than Courtney Banghart. <<Princeton’s Banghart questioned playing the event at the Palestra, Penn’s home court. To her, this institutionalizes a Quaker home-court advantage that exacerbates the risk that the league does not send its best team to the NCAA tournament. She also argues that this points to a bigger question as the league tries to balance different priorities (national exposure, competitive balance, equity, the student-athlete experience, and marketing). If the league is going to risk a championship upset that might send a weaker team to the NCAA tournament, what gains is it seeking in return?>> Someone should give Banghart the links to this Board and the Voy Board. This question has been answered countless times over the years.... If you don't know the answers to this question, you either are being intentionally obtuse or just have not been paying ANY attention. If you disagree with the rationales for a tournament, fine. But please stop insulting everyone by asking what the benefits of having a tournament are.  In any event, great article! I suspect that if the league ever does convert to PL tournament format and have the games at the higher-court's seeds, it will be because the women don't want to continue to have the event in one venue for the reasons expressed in the article. |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1146 |
03-09-18 03:27 PM - Post#251569
Someone should give Banghart the links to this Board and the Voy Board. This question has been answered countless times over the years.... If you don't know the answers to this question, you either are being intentionally obtuse or just have not been paying ANY attention. If you disagree with the rationales for a tournament, fine. But please stop insulting everyone by asking what the benefits of having a tournament are. Just to be clear, my criticisms were directed to Banghart for (apparently) asking the "what are the benefits of a tournament?" question on the conference call. She *should* know the answers to that question. They are not directed at the author for reporting what Banghart (apparently) asked. There could very well be HM readers out there who aren't basketball fans, but might read the article out of curiosity. |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214 
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03-10-18 02:12 PM - Post#251681
Someone should give Banghart the links to this Board and the Voy Board. This question has been answered countless times over the years.... If you don't know the answers to this question, you either are being intentionally obtuse or just have not been paying ANY attention. If you disagree with the rationales for a tournament, fine. But please stop insulting everyone by asking what the benefits of having a tournament are. . . .Except that part of the disagreement with the rationales for the tournament is precisely that many of us don't believe that there are benefits, or that they are worth the negatives. The fact that we disagree with you does not mean that we're not paying attention to your arguments; we just don't think that the arguments are correct. I also find it ironic that people are complaining about the earlier tournaments not being recognized, because the main reason those tournaments were played was that the league and the teams didn't want to spend the money on a double round-robin for the women. (The first couple of tournaments had a single-round robin, but it was all in one place, and played over the course of two or three days--must have been wearying, to put it mildly.) The Banghart quote does emphasize the most perverse aspect of this thing, which is that if Princeton doesn't win, a part of me is actually going to feel sorry for her. CURSE YOU, ROBIN HARRIS!!!!!!
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
03-10-18 02:50 PM - Post#251685
Well said. Some IL proponents simply do not understand that there is a different point of view. Banghart has probably caught some "crap" from her AD and Princeton Administration and surely from Robin and her merry men/women but she at least is willing to speak up based on her convictions. It is ok to stand up and not simply drink the KoolAid. |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1346 
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03-10-18 02:57 PM - Post#251690
Some people believe that saying something multiple times strengthens an argument. |
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Go Green PhD Student Posts 1146 |
03-11-18 02:43 PM - Post#251961
. . .Except that part of the disagreement with the rationales for the tournament is precisely that many of us don't believe that there are benefits, or that they are worth the negatives. The fact that we disagree with you does not mean that we're not paying attention to your arguments; we just don't think that the arguments are correct. Can you imagine an Ivy football coach against FCS playoff participation (none exist, but bear with me) asking on a conference call "what are the benefits of sending our champion to the playoffs?" He'd be laughed off the call. That's the equivalent of what Banghart (apparently) did. If she simply stated that she didn't agree with the benefits of a conference tournament, then fine. But to ask what they are is entirely disingenuous. |
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