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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-13-18 10:53 AM - Post#252694
I went to Penn board to see if I could gain any insight into their team and our matchup. I didn't read any posts that actually talked about the game - you know, strategy, players, strengths, weakness, NOTHING. I wonder if they even know basketball. I guess that was too much to expect. Time to bring it. Those KU mofos are KenPommers so Jeff, you're going to have to lead this. The rest of us aren't stat-savvy enough for them. To KU fans - tell Self he should rest that center of yours. He isn't needed against us. Wouldn't want anything happening to him. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 10:58 AM - Post#252696
Paper, Rock, Quaker |
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Cvonvorys Postdoc Posts 4471 
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03-13-18 11:03 AM - Post#252699
From Jake Silpe's twitter: https://twitter.com/SilpeSmooth?t=1&c n=ZmxleGl... Does Pablo Torre know something? |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-13-18 11:09 AM - Post#252700
So... primary matchups are blindingly obvious - they will be to Self if not to their fan base. And you know Donahue will throw them multiple curves. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8220 
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03-13-18 11:14 AM - Post#252702
Let the trolling begin! In fairness, with a couple of notable exceptions, the folks on that board are giving us a lot more respect than we usually get. We can put that team under the microscope all we want but Azubuike's condition is the true x-factor. If he is out or hobbled, we actually have a shot at pulling this off. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-13-18 11:17 AM - Post#252703
Let's leave the prognosticators out of it. This game really turns on whether Azubuike is effective. We have no answer for him and cannot afford to double. IF he is not able to go far, we have a real shot--they don't think our ability to stop 3 pointers and dribble penetration is anything but based on our schedule. That is a big mistake--we have 3 22 year olds in our backcourt and they know how to play. This is not to say that the KU guys, who start upperclassmen as well (very rare for a power team) don't know what they are doing. But I doubt they have met up with a team that moves the ball nearly as well as Penn--we don't have to chug down the lane on them. I don't see speed being nearly the issue that the KU posters make it out to be--that is just the usual rhetoric from fans who have never seen us play. The only matchup we can't handle is a big 7 footer who can play and kick it out. If he is limited, AJ can more than handle anyone else on their roster. But I trust in Donahue in putting together a game plan that keeps it close. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 11:17 AM - Post#252704
I agree that we have no chance if their big guy plays significant minutes. We are going to need to spend most of our energy chasing their talented shooters off the 3 point line. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-13-18 11:18 AM - Post#252705
Kansas shoots the 3 at better than 40% all year. They also average 17 assists a game and a 1.5 A/TO ratio. They shoot on average 25 3's a game and make 10. Those are all better numbers than Penn's and this isn't an undisciplined team. They score a lot of points and are better than average in the Big 12 on defense. If the big fella plays (I am guessing no--but if he does think Chris Lewis but 3 inches taller and 40 lbs heavier) we don't have an answer. If he doesn't, they will go with 4 guards the least of whom is Malik Newman and he would be the best guard in our league by a fair margin. So SD will likely go small, Dev Goodman and Caleb will play 25+ minutes each. We will have to shoot the ball at 40% + clip from 3, force/hope them to shoot it in the low 30% range and figure out how to rebound the ball with a smaller lineup. Not trying to be a pessimist, it's do-able, but that's the hill to climb fyi. We can shoot it and we move the ball really well, I just see this as a Nova sized mismatch. Go Quakers! |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-13-18 11:30 AM - Post#252707
Let the trolling begin! In fairness, with a couple of notable exceptions, the folks on that board are giving us a lot more respect than we usually get. We can put that team under the microscope all we want but Azubuike's condition is the true x-factor. If he is out or hobbled, we actually have a shot at pulling this off. Yup and yup. The only fans that annoyed me were the ones from Vandy the year Harvard played them. They were jackholes. The KU guys seem like OK dudes. I only know 2 things about the state of Kansas. One is that Kansas City Steaks are mucho better than Omaha. The other is that my daughter's former karate instructor is from Kansas and I was real bummed that he moved back there. We still keep in touch with him - great guy, knows his stuff and is unfailingly polite. If he is a typical Kansan then it's hard not to like them. After we put a beating on them Thursday that is. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 11:33 AM - Post#252708
I remember when Roy Williams scheduled a home and home with the Quakers because either he (or perhaps one of their legendary broadcasters, I forget which) had always wanted to do a Palestra game. That's class. And we gave them quite the game at the Palestra until Kirk Hinrich took charge late. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-13-18 11:38 AM - Post#252710
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1171 |
03-13-18 11:39 AM - Post#252712
I remember when Roy Williams scheduled a home and home with the Quakers because either he (or perhaps one of their legendary broadcasters, I forget which) had always wanted to do a Palestra game. That's class. And we gave them quite the game at the Palestra until Kirk Hinrich took charge late. I definitely remember the Roy Williams-coached UNC game at the Palestra. They beat us by about 30 but Bernardini had a hell of a game and Williams had some really nice things to say about him afterwards. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-13-18 11:41 AM - Post#252713
I was at that game and it was competitive into the 2nd half. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-13-18 11:43 AM - Post#252714
"Why the hell didn't we recruit him." |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8220
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03-13-18 11:44 AM - Post#252715
I definitely remember the Roy Williams-coached UNC game at the Palestra. They beat us by about 30 but Bernardini had a hell of a game and Williams had some really nice things to say about him afterwards. Methinks you are talking about the 2008 opener at the Dean Dome (I was there) when Tyler dropped 26 on them. See Here |
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QHoops Senior Posts 368 |
03-13-18 12:05 PM - Post#252719
Tyler had (I think) 26 again when NC came back to the Palestra. That was Roy Williams point, he torched NC twice. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8220
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03-13-18 12:11 PM - Post#252722
Ah correct. Talking about This Game |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12530 |
03-13-18 12:18 PM - Post#252723
It was the Jeff Boschee Kansas team (was heinrich still there?) and we took the #6 team in the country down the the wire. The bad taste of losing that one went out the window when we beat #7 Temple, for the first time in 15 years, the next week. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-13-18 12:24 PM - Post#252725
What is interesting about their posters, is they seem to think that if we don't have Dok, there is a real shot at an upset. While I won't say that there isn't a better chance they pull it off if Dok doesn't play, it seems they are conveniently casting aside our Big12 POY, and so far consensus 1st team All-American Devonte Graham, Svi for 3, and Malik "Big12 Tournament MOP" Newman. Also have seen no mention of Silvio filling in for Dok in the tourney and scoring 30 points and grabbing 29 rebounds in 3 games. It's odd and doesn't seem like they have done much research on our personnel, other than that Dok is 7ft. We know who you have and even what Donahue's primary answers are going to be for each. Whether the answers are going to be good enough - dunno but know we don't have a good answer for Doke.
Their guards looked solid. I just don't think they'll have an answer inside, no matter who we throw out there. Again, watching that Ivy Championship game, their big guy is just not on the same athletic level as anyone we have in that spot. Guess we'll see on Thursday. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-13-18 12:24 PM - Post#252726
It's time for some new memories. Let's fast forward 10 years when I hope to post the following: Remember 2018 when Coach D finally helped us break through and win the Ivy Title. And what a ride. All the way through Kansas and into the Sweet 16. That really set the tone for the 10 years of dominance that followed. These national championships never get old. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 12:25 PM - Post#252727
Good catch--it was Boschee, not Hinrich. KU-Penn at the Palestra, 1998 |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-13-18 12:30 PM - Post#252729
That gave me a full belly laugh. Great at lunch. But Stevie D is doing a great job. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 12:35 PM - Post#252731
Makes sense to set the bar low and first just try for a Sweet 16. SD knows all about doing that from his Cornell days--piece of cake. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-13-18 12:48 PM - Post#252734
I'd love to go on their board to talk about the game but their slightly-better-than-tige rboard format and "WE HAVE TO APPROVE EVERY NEW REGISTRANT!" approach is making it difficult. Mike (or anyone else in the know) - is it that hard to join our site? Sounds like the KU fans are having a tough time with it. Always up for a pre-game talk! |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-13-18 12:49 PM - Post#252735
Of course, that Sweet 16 season for Cornell provided Penn with the biggest win of the Miller era with his players: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfL5H7WpudA |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 12:49 PM - Post#252736
As far as the actual game, you'd think that Kansas would go right at AJ. If he is in early foul trouble, we're in serious danger of getting blown out by halftime. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8220
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03-13-18 12:51 PM - Post#252738
I'd love to go on their board to talk about the game but their slightly-better-than-tige rboard format and "WE HAVE TO APPROVE EVERY NEW REGISTRANT!" approach is making it difficult. Mike (or anyone else in the know) - is it that hard to join our site? Sounds like the KU fans are having a tough time with it. Always up for a pre-game talk! I'm having trouble getting on their site |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-13-18 12:52 PM - Post#252739
Yes, I was thinking the same. The refs are likely to call a foul on AJ every time he breathes on a Jayhawk. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-13-18 12:52 PM - Post#252740
They'll have to go through Max first---no way we put AJ in the primary inside defensive position at the start. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 12:55 PM - Post#252741
Simmons should expect some PT. We can go small all we want on the offensive end, but Max and AJ will be picking up fouls on the other end. And if they don't, it probably means KU is fast breaking and dunking us to death. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-13-18 12:59 PM - Post#252744
They'll have to go through Max first---no way we put AJ in the primary inside defensive position at the start. This. And you know Max isn't going to back down against anyone. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 01:02 PM - Post#252745
Jaywalking?
Yes, I was thinking the same. The refs are likely to call a foul on AJ every time he breathes on a Jayhawk. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-13-18 01:16 PM - Post#252748
They got a player who is from the same town as Sam. And Graham went to Brewster - must have played against our NMH guys. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-13-18 01:31 PM - Post#252753
We're getting far too much press. Destroys the surprise factor entirely. Chance that Kansas screws up scouting is zero. Given we're up against Self and not someone like Alford, chances of that happening weren't good anyway. We're 76th in fivethirtyeight's ELO-based ranking - extraordinarily high for a 16 seed. Not sure what their algorithm is though ELO algorithms tend to factor in wins while wins are kind of irrelevant for KP. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-13-18 01:34 PM - Post#252755
That only applies to the fans. I am sure that the Kansas players are looking forward to Saturday. They are the ones we need to surprise. Sure, they will be fired up when the game starts but the key is what happens if it is close in the 2nd half. Watch the body language if there is frustration. It's not a matter of surprise of who we are or how we play--in the age of social media there are no surprises on that front. But deep inside, the Kansas players do not believe they can lose. And it is when that thought enters the mind that the surprise occurs. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-13-18 01:37 PM - Post#252758
Not talking about their fans. Talking about general buzz about the game. It's much easier when the other side has no clue who the !&$% you are and think they can roll the ball out and beat you up. And yes - our only chance is to jump them early, get them frustrated, and have the game devolve from there. That happens and there's a chance. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12530 |
03-13-18 01:38 PM - Post#252759
I agree completely. It helps to get Penn some press, but hurts the surprise factor. The players wouldn't have even thought twice about this game. Now they just might. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-13-18 01:42 PM - Post#252760
What I am saying is that in the social media age, there is no surprise where a team won't know who you are and what you do. It's just no longer possible. They don't have to go to the public library and pull out mircrofilm copies of the Philadelphia Inquirer anymore. It's right there at their fingertips. But attitudes are not based on information as much as the notion that an Ivy team is not in their stratosphere. And that's what they will go out there thinking. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-13-18 01:47 PM - Post#252762
Disagree. There are still plenty of crappy coaches out there who don't prepare and just look at how more athletic their players are than the guys they are playing against. Hi Steve Alford, I see you jumping up and down in the corner. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-13-18 01:51 PM - Post#252763
But Self would prepare them irrespective of a NY Times article. They still deep inside don't think Penn can play with them. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-13-18 01:57 PM - Post#252764
It's easier for Self to motivate his team when everyone and his mother is giving us a legit shot at this. The chance we can stay in this game isn't high to begin with, it goes down if Graham knows he has to bring it and Self decides that sitting Dok isn't worth it. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-13-18 01:59 PM - Post#252766
That will only happen if AJ gives a spin move and the knee buckles. Otherwise, he is playing. |
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Cvonvorys Postdoc Posts 4471
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03-13-18 02:25 PM - Post#252771
And yes - our only chance is to jump them early, get them frustrated, and have the game devolve from there. That happens and there's a chance. Let me politely disagree. I think our best chance is to hang close with them throughout the game and then frustrate them at the end. I think their attitude is like the 1980 Russian Olympic Mens Ice Hockey Team, who thought up until the last minute that they were going to win. I want a cocky, over-confident Kansas team to be up by 5-8 throughout, and then we make a late push at the end. Maybe another back-to-back trifecta (or better, a back-to-back-to-back trifecta) from Caleb with 1:30 to go to take the lead. My sense is that Kansas will be freaking out at that point, which will lead to some unforced errors, a la that Chris Lewis travel/fumble out of bounds at the end of Sunday's game. My sense is that the crowd will now be pro-Penn... Screaming and rooting for history to be made. Then it will all come down to Penn hitting foul shots at the end and not botching a simple in-bounds pass. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-13-18 02:30 PM - Post#252774
Amazing how, in a time of truce, we can agree so completely on basketball. That is exactly how it has to play out. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 02:33 PM - Post#252775
Not so sure the crowd will be so pro-Penn even under the best of circumstances in a tight spot late: 1. The game's in Wichita 2. The 8-9 game tipping off afterwards, at 4:30, is between Seton Hall and NC State. Probably won't have a ton of supporters from either team there. 3. The game's in Wichita. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-13-18 02:47 PM - Post#252779
1/2 full gym. Low energy |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 02:50 PM - Post#252781
The arena for the second game will be mostly empty. For the first game? A sea of blue. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-13-18 02:57 PM - Post#252782
I listened to Jay Wright on ESPN today and he said the year they played in Philadelphia they went down to a team from somewhere else (can't remember who) and everyone started cheering for the underdog in Philadelphia! He was shocked the crowd became anti-Nova when he thought it was a home game. He went on to say these early games split the tickets up among a lot of schools and all the other schools fans root for the dog so it works against the "home" team sometimes. We'll see. Hope we can muster some underdog magic. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 03:03 PM - Post#252783
I do have to laugh at how times have changed. In 1979, they couldn't even get the name of our school right when we were in the Final Four. In 2018, we're getting more press as a 16 seed than probably all of the 14-16 seeds combined...and I have yet to see a single mention of Penn State. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-13-18 03:04 PM - Post#252785
Carry on my wayward son. All they are is dust in the wind. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
03-13-18 03:05 PM - Post#252787
In terms of what happens, I think regardless of whether Azubuike plays, we will defend the 3 point line first. This could create an interesting dynamic, and an Antonio McDyess type game for someone. I think we’ll be trying to trade 3s for 2s as much as we can, essentially. Letting Kansas kill us one on one inside a bit may actually take them out of their strength. The description of AJ’s athleticism by the Kansas folks is music to my ears. If only their team would view it that way. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 03:05 PM - Post#252788
Yes, but that was Philly. This is Wichita, which even for KU fans requires a 2 hour drive. I can't imagine there will be a ton of people there from outside the state of Kansas. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 03:07 PM - Post#252790
Leftoverture for $1,000, Alex. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-13-18 03:07 PM - Post#252791
May not be a ton of people there period. And there will be fans of every school not named Kansas, most of those become Penn fans if we keep it close. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-13-18 03:08 PM - Post#252792
There is zero chance the crowd will be with us. There's a greater chance we hang in there and get jobbed by a gutless call late in the game. This isn't like Nova where the rest of the city hates them. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 03:12 PM - Post#252793
Yes. Those 150 fans become Penn fans. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-13-18 03:14 PM - Post#252796
It's Kansas---it will be full and rooting for Kansas....until Penn takes the lead and the place is silent. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 03:16 PM - Post#252797
Yeah, we have to pick our poison. Might as well have it be something we've spent a lot of time on this year doing well. And should hopefully eliminate the wrong end of the high variance part of the equation.
In terms of what happens, I think regardless of whether Azubuike plays, we will defend the 3 point line first. This could create an interesting dynamic, and an Antonio McDyess type game for someone. I think we’ll be trying to trade 3s for 2s as much as we can, essentially. Letting Kansas kill us one on one inside a bit may actually take them out of their strength. The description of AJ’s athleticism by the Kansas folks is music to my ears. If only their team would view it that way. |
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westcoast Senior Posts 302 |
03-13-18 03:18 PM - Post#252800
Michigan will have fans in Wichita, and I'm sure they will be rooting for Penn. |
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Cvonvorys Postdoc Posts 4471
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03-13-18 03:23 PM - Post#252801
I'm basing my prediction on the pro-Penn crowd on my one experience with March Madness. This was many years ago, but I went down to Cole Field House on the University of Maryland campus. I had no skin in the game, and my sense was that for 3 out of the 4 games most fans had no skin in the game. As it turned out this was the game where number 15 Richmond beat number 2 Syracuse (led by Billy Owens). I can tell you that down the stretch most everyone in the arena was screaming for Richmond and very few fans pulling for Syracuse... Let's keep it close, and then make history at the end... Caleb didn't seem intimidated on Sunday. My hope is that he's not intimidated on Thursday. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 03:25 PM - Post#252802
They might have fans in Wichita, but it's doubtful they would be in the arena at that time. The next game up is NC State-Seton Hall. Michigan doesn't tip off until late evening. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-13-18 03:26 PM - Post#252804
Sure. We'll still be outnumbered by a lot. No chance a game in Wichita against KU morphs into a pro-Penn crowd. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-13-18 03:32 PM - Post#252808
Colin, I went to the game we won in 95 against Nebraska at Nassau Coliseum. That was like a home game for us - not many Nebraska fans, everyone else rooting for us. But this game is in Kansas and we're playing against Kansas. If there's one team people in that state identify with it's Jayhawks basketball. They are going to grab every ticket they can get their hands on. |
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Cvonvorys Postdoc Posts 4471
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03-13-18 04:01 PM - Post#252817
Well... Let's hope it's a 3 point game with 5 minutes to go so we can test each of our hypotheses... |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12530 |
03-13-18 04:04 PM - Post#252818
I listened to Jay Wright on ESPN today and he said the year they played in Philadelphia they went down to a team from somewhere else (can't remember who) and everyone started cheering for the underdog in Philadelphia! He's correct. It was against American I believe, and I was right there with them. |
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1979Quakers Freshman Posts 81 |
03-13-18 04:10 PM - Post#252820
Hopefully sending the Jayhawks to the Point Of Know Return. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-13-18 04:17 PM - Post#252822
Or at least to Oz. |
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pennsive Junior Posts 200 |
03-13-18 04:28 PM - Post#252824
There is no place like home, Auntie Em. Driving two hours to see KU play probably is no factor at all. Expect a very pro Kansas crowd, but that will change to 65-35 Kansas support if we are in the game late. |
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caughtinasnare Senior Posts 362 |
03-13-18 04:49 PM - Post#252830
The ticket sites online are bearing this out right now. Tickets are listed for the first session with a minimum of like $240 according to Seatgeek. The nightcap is at a minimum of $61 now. |
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Cvonvorys Postdoc Posts 4471
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03-13-18 04:53 PM - Post#252832
Hey... FWIW Udoka Azubuike shoots 41.6% from the free throw line (42-101). If it's close at the end, give McManus a couple minutes on defense to hack Azubuike if he gets too close to the rim... |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-13-18 05:08 PM - Post#252835
Hack a Zube |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8220
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03-13-18 06:07 PM - Post#252845
The ticket sites online are bearing this out right now. Tickets are listed for the first session with a minimum of like $240 according to Seatgeek. The nightcap is at a minimum of $61 now. There will be some Wichita State folks there who will certainly turn on KU given the chance. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8220
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03-13-18 06:08 PM - Post#252846
Hopefully sending the Jayhawks to the Point Of Know Return. Here I am just waiting for a sign Asking questions, learning all the time It's always here, it's always there It's just love, and miracles out of nowhere |
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03-13-18 06:53 PM - Post#252857
Kansas shoots the 3 at better than 40% all year. So you're saying (and Mike James would agree) that Kansas should regress to the mean? I like it. But seriously, even if the big fella doesn't play, all five of the Jayhawks starters would start on our team. Our only chance to pull off the upset would be if Kansas has a similar shooting game to that of Duke's 2012 performance (6-for-26 from downtown) against Lehigh, while we shoot nearly 50% from beyond the arc and hold our own on the boards.
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-13-18 06:53 PM - Post#252858
Some real geniuses on the KU board. I am sure they realize we are reading their board the same way they are reading ours. |
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03-13-18 07:08 PM - Post#252860
What’s the story behind Graham’s terrible 2-pt. number this year? Seems like the “deny assisted baskets†part of our D needs to entice him to put up more of those at that 39% from inside the arc. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-13-18 07:24 PM - Post#252865
Hoping they are as cold as ice. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 07:31 PM - Post#252867
Hoping they are as cold as ice. Wrong band, but you nailed the time period. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-13-18 07:46 PM - Post#252870
It’s all a grand illusion. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 07:55 PM - Post#252871
Don't let it end. |
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 3992 |
03-13-18 08:23 PM - Post#252880
In Providence, we thought the fans would favor JT II in the Georgetown- Princeton classic, as JT was a PC grad. Not so. Still there's, the 16 v. 1 record to overcome. Go Quacks! |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
03-13-18 08:31 PM - Post#252883
I can't see there will be many fans rooting for Penn even if they stay close. Just those from the teams in the other game and those few local fans who probably love Wichita State and hate Kansas. Most of the locals however probably will make a big killing selling their tickets to the Jayhawks fans. Kansas was one of my favorite bands growing up. This is the most apropos song. Was a great song to get stoned to. From the Leftoverture album. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jseTa7HUIDU |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4910 |
03-13-18 08:35 PM - Post#252888
Despite the probable officiating bias, Penn will need to play a physical game. This Kansas team is very quick and skilled but a lot less powerful than Jayhawk teams of the past. Of course, they've been hardened by the Big 12 schedule, but they may not expect to get muscled at all by an Ivy League team. The Quakers played with strength all year, including the guards. Holding rebounding position, scoring through contact, grabbing loose balls, etc. will be important. Obviously must win the turnover battle as well to have much of a chance, and some of that also comes down to being strong with the ball. Obviously very little margin for error here. Need a good shooting performance, etc. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
03-13-18 08:41 PM - Post#252890
One other thought on how we likely play. While I think we focus on the 3 line and guard one on one inside a lot, we will want to mix things up some. I would expect us to double once in a while to try to give the illusion that help is coming when it really isn’t as the game goes on. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-13-18 08:43 PM - Post#252892
Have loved that band for many decades and that song is certainly among my faves. Although I've never gotten stoned. Perhaps the closest I've gotten to that was around 12:54 am on November 3, 2016. |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
03-13-18 08:46 PM - Post#252894
"Have loved that band for many decades and that song is certainly among my faves." I saw them years ago in concert at the Spectrum; forget what year. Steve Wash was a great singer but annoying to watch as he did a jog at the keyboards all night. I just missed a chance to see them at a concert last year where they did the whole Leftoverture album and some other songs. Only two guys left from the original band but from what I have heard the new ensemble has the sound down. |
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03-13-18 08:49 PM - Post#252896
I was a huge fan back in the day. There are plenty of you tube videos out there where you can trace performances from the beginning through all the personnel changes to the current tour. The current group is just OK IMHO. Watching Walsh self-destruct over time is kinds sad though. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1125 |
03-13-18 10:33 PM - Post#252911
Matt Tait twitter update: The Jayhawks arrived at the team hotel in Wichita about 20 minutes ago... Self said Lightfoot will start Thursday & he hopes to have Azubuike available in an emergency capacity. Udoka was on court the last 3 days & ran today |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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03-13-18 10:35 PM - Post#252912
Well that’s good for us, to the extent that anything can be good. If Self isn’t totally sandbagging, which the NCAA and the sports books would definitely be unhappy about. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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03-13-18 10:46 PM - Post#252915
As for how I expect us to play it on D: in man-to-man, on the perimeter I would bet Foreman on Graham, Woods on Newman, and Betley on Vick to start, although I expect Woods to also get time on Graham just to change things up. Rothschild on Lightfoot, Brodeur on Mykhailiuk in the frontcourt. Then Wood on Mykhailiuk if that’s still the lineup when he comes in for Max, switching A.J. to Lightfoot. When DeSousa is in the game I assume Max gets first crack at him if both he A.J. are on the floor. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Steve throw some 1-3-1 at them occasionally, again as a change up to confuse, since that’s the most common zone set he’s used this year. |
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03-13-18 11:03 PM - Post#252916
One more thing: the dumber guys on the Kansas boards really need to get off this “they’ve not seen guys with our athleticism†shtick. For the benefit of those KU fans: Graham was an ESPN 4 Star. Harvard’s Seth Towns and Chris Lewis were both 4 stars. Harvard had two other 4 stars on the roster - one a rotation guy (Baker), one injured in the latter part of this year who they saw last year (Aiken). And that’s just in league. Our guys are not going to be stunned by seeing 4 and 5 Star players on court. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-13-18 11:08 PM - Post#252918
They also played against many of these guys previously. Most of our guys played on big time AAU teams. We have NMH and New Hampton buys that played against Brewster ( graham and before that Donavan Mitchell, Etc). We have seen plenty of 4-5 star talent. Doesn’t mean we will win but our guys won’t be intimidated. |
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Jay O Masters Student Posts 547 |
03-13-18 11:30 PM - Post#252920
I expect the Kansas players to be intimidated by Jackson Donahue, even when he's not in the game. "Why's that guy looking at us that way?! I don't think I did anything to him, did you?" |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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03-13-18 11:42 PM - Post#252922
Reminds me that some of this KU fans think the Villanova blowout is a good sign for them. Jackson Donahue was first guy off the bench in that game. Eddie Scott was second. Caleb Wood played 2 minutes. We may still get blown out, but it won’t be against the same team - the rotation and structure of both defense and offense are much different now than they were in December. (Although I do wish Eddie were still available. As well as Jelani Williams and Mark Jackson and any of the other guys we lost to injury this year.) |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-13-18 11:54 PM - Post#252924
Not sure the familiarity of playing against Graham in HS plays in our favor because it also means Graham will know who AJ is. Lightfoot and Jones both come from Gilbert AZ but went to different schools. I guess they must have played against each other in HS. I mostly agree with Chip's probable matchups but think Woods will be on Mykhailiuk - he's an outside threat. I don't think AJ can cover him, Max and Betley are other possibilities I guess. Though I agree with PF10 that Donahue will go with 4 guards quite a bit. I also expect some new wrinkle. We're not beating Kansas straight up, I'd bet Donahue will be throwing them something unexpected. And yeah, this would have been the perfect game for Eddie. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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03-14-18 12:03 AM - Post#252925
I do love the guy who just quoted my post about Graham’s 2-pt. #s while saying “not sure what he is talking about here.†I’ll try again for his benefit, since he apparently missed the reference in the post. Graham per Pomeroy this year shot 39% on 2-Point shots. That’s awful. More awful than anyone named All-American should really be putting up. Whether it’s because he blows a lot of layups or takes a lot of dumb 18-footers that should have been 3s, it remains awful. So if a defense can do anything to get him to take more of those sorts of shots where he’s terrible, they should do so. Trading bad 2 attempts for his 40%+ from 3, or a pass for an assisted basket by someone else, appears to be a key to giving KU trouble. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1896 |
03-14-18 05:23 AM - Post#252928
There will not be any individual matchups in our favor, so the key will be whether our players can avoid flinching under pressure and take it to them with ball movement to offset the Kansas size and athleticism. Cornell showed the blueprint years ago, and Steve Donahue clearly knows the playbook. We have some gutsy players and hopefully they can compete. My big hope for the team is that they still attack the basket and that they don't look over their shoulder for blocks. Even if they get blocked a few times, they stand a better chance of scoring or drawing the foul by going hard to the basket. Fakes, double pumps, and pull-ups will just make it easier for Kansas. If they get a few foul calls for them early, that would help a ton. |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 586 |
03-14-18 07:28 AM - Post#252932
They will be dust in the wind when the Quakers get done with them. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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03-14-18 07:58 AM - Post#252934
Azabuike and Lightfoot are the two big shotblocking threats, and the former may not play at all. |
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jadwinjungle Freshman Posts 45 |
03-14-18 10:03 AM - Post#252944
Here I was thinking I would be able to not root for Penn in the tournament until I read their board talking about how terrible the Ivy League is and how we're a bunch of glorified D3 walk-ons…I bet that's what Temple and Wisconsin thought in 2010 when Cornell beat them, or what eventual national runner ups Kentucky thought when they needed a buzzer beater to beat Princeton in 2011, or what New Mexico thought when they lost to Harvard in 2013, or Cincinnati when they fell to the same fate in 2014. Sweet 16 team UNC was taken to the wire against Harvard in 2015, we all know what happened with Yale and Baylor in 2016, and Princeton came a last second shot from beating Notre Dame last year. Not bad for some glorified D3 walk ons…As much as it pains me to say it, I hope the Quakers prove them wrong tomorrow |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-14-18 10:09 AM - Post#252947
I have managed to hold my nose and root for Princeton in similar circumstances. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-14-18 10:12 AM - Post#252949
A few replies to KU fans: OctMarch2Fanatic: Your analysis of Devonte Graham is accurate yet the numbers Chip Bayers points out is also correct. About 60% of Devonte Grahams' shots this year are 2pt shots (they aren't part of his free throw stats). Half of those seemingly result in free throws, where he is very good, and about half of those he has a 39% make rate. So Penn would much rather chase him off the 3pt line and make him take contested 2's without fouling him, and while covering other shooters. That's been Penn's gameplan for teams all year. Easier said than done because Devonte Graham is clearly the cog in the Kansas wheel. He is very impressive and while his 3pt stats, FT shooting, and leadership are all stand out qualities, his passing and A/TO ratio are eye popping. 7.4 assists a game and about a 2.3 A/TO ratio is ridiculous. The Nigerian giant is an "emergency only" player tomorrow but Devonte Graham absolutely needs to be the focal point of the Penn defense. We want other players (who all present their own problems for Penn) beating us. If Devonte Graham is doing his thing we will get "boat raced" (killabees, thank you for your intelligent, and verbose commentary...you are a class representative of your fine school). Souza and Lightfoot are capable and dominant post players in their own right, obviously Dok is a game changer so I guess we would rather take our chances against Lightfoot and Souza than Dok. Our guy did have 15 and 7 against Villanova and our two guards had 13 and 11. The problem with them is they shot the ball over 50% from 3, which may happen v KU. If it doesn't, we can keep it close. And your 3pt shooting %, while impressive, has no bearing on our 3pt shooting % so comparing those numbers is useless. You are 12th in the nation from 3, we are 2nd in defending the 3. The argument "vs nobody" is a strong idea to hide behind but I suspect that just because we didn't play the same schedule as KU, doesn't mean we can't perform. It doesn't mean we can either. we did shoot 60% from 3 @Dayton in a win there which is one of the tougher places to play well (Dayton is no Kansas, but they aren't a D3 school either) Looking forward to a great experience! |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
03-14-18 10:16 AM - Post#252950
Wish their players would view it that way. Unfortunately, I suspect that attitude is just some of the fans. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
03-14-18 10:24 AM - Post#252953
Curious if we get a Sam Jones sighting too. Could get an off scouting report situation where he could get free to chuck a couple. Seems like a better match for Sam then Jackson due to his length, but on the other hand Jackson has had success against Villanova in the past, so who knows. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-14-18 10:33 AM - Post#252955
This is definitely a Sam Jones ala Dayton set up. I was thinking the same thing. He won't be on their scouting report for sure. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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03-14-18 10:52 AM - Post#252958
I was really and truly convinced by his argument that we should ignore all data on weaknesses that might be exploitable, and just trust his personal eyetest that Graham will only do the things he’s good at, and never the things he’s bad at. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 10:54 AM - Post#252959
I think he will be - Lightfoot and him are from the same hometown. Or he is now. The challenge with prepping for Penn is that there's a lot to prep for. We have something like 7 players who scored 20+ points in at least one game. And you know SD will come up with something new. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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03-14-18 10:55 AM - Post#252960
8 players have scored 20 or more this year, but only 7 are active with Scott down. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 11:03 AM - Post#252964
I stopped visiting their site but last I checked most of them were too busy pounding their chests and thinking we had no clue who was on their team while showing utter ignorance/disdain of ours. So yeah, it's possible their players have the same mindset. If they do then there's a chance. I only wish the main stream basketball "analysts" would stfu about our chances. Would prefer everyone think we suck. I do wish we played a tougher schedule. Who was the most athletic team we played besides Nova? Maybe Dayton? Temple? Neither is the same class of athleticism as Kansas. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-14-18 11:15 AM - Post#252967
"Um... you think a HOF coach is going to leave a guy that has contributed at all off of the scouting report? My old high school coach who is now an insurance agent even put EVERYONE on the scouting report that has contributed in some capacity, and a short summary of what that player is good at and what to look out for." Answer: Yep. You read it here first. When Sam Jones checks in he is going to shoot 3pters, every time. Your guys will lag off him and he will hurt you. If your guys are smart enough to guard a guy who hasn't even appeared in most of the last 20 games then great. If your Hall of Fame coach spends any practice time preparing for a guy who hasn't been on the floor in basically 2.5 months, then he isn't much of a coach after all. I suspect any HOF coach is going to prepare for players that have actually been playing. They may "mention" someone who played 3 months ago, but unless Killabees is coaching, I am not sure anyone is going to remember or care. Looking forward to the boatrace tomorrow. |
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03-14-18 11:21 AM - Post#252969
Harvard and Princeton probably have as much athleticism as Dayton or Temple, perhaps more. Having again seen that Harvard roster in person last weekend, it’s kind of stunning to me that with the depth of that sophomore class, whose win shares Mike J. has been talking up (appropriately so), they didn’t go 14-0 this year to launch another in the league’s long history of 3-year dynasty runs. Even without Aiken. All I can say is: thank god for Tommy Amaker. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2137 |
03-14-18 12:04 PM - Post#252974
Harvard and Princeton probably have as much athleticism as Dayton or Temple, perhaps more. Having again seen that Harvard roster in person last weekend, it’s kind of stunning to me that with the depth of that sophomore class, whose win shares Mike J. has been talking up (appropriately so), they didn’t go 14-0 this year to launch another in the league’s long history of 3-year dynasty runs. Even without Aiken. All I can say is: thank god for Tommy Amaker. I see that I am not the only one who is less than impressed with Amaker's in-game coaching ability. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 12:11 PM - Post#252978
TA is better than you're giving him credit for. He did solve Foreman by putting Haskett on him though that caused other flow issues for Harvard. Juzang just isn't a good defender presently and Johnson's not big enough, whoever they were covering was bound to go off. I also don't think he had any good answer for covering 35 minutes of AJ. The surprising thing is that AJ is the only guy on the team that Amaker might have considered recruiting yet Harvard didn't have answers for our personnel. I don't know why that is, just that it is the case. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-14-18 12:16 PM - Post#252980
OCTMARCH2: Keep thinking that way.I like it. You and your team has heard/seen everything, all of which is better than our glorified D3 team. You rule, we suck, just ask Killabees, he's a freakin genius. I am going to call the Penn AD and ask them to come home before we get embarrassed on national TV. The chances of Sam Jones killing Kansas are about the same as a 16 beating a 1. Highly unlikely. The difference is it wouldn't be unprecedented. #dayton, #UCF #NoHe'sNotHurt |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-14-18 12:20 PM - Post#252982
TA is better than you're giving him credit for. No he isn't. He is not a a great in game coach. Great recruiter, solid at preparing his team. I have heard multiple people tell me that. I had a reputable head coach (from a power 5 conference) tell me he would rather coach against TA in a game than any other Ivy Coach because he doesn't do anything special and he is pretty easy to predict. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-14-18 12:27 PM - Post#252986
Play the Game Tonight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2azO25JtFo |
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Cvonvorys Postdoc Posts 4471
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03-14-18 12:28 PM - Post#252987
A good movie for the team to watch tonight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxIoUp9dkOo "Great moments are born from great opportunity. And that's what you have here tonight, boys. That's what you've earned here tonight..." |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-14-18 12:29 PM - Post#252988
I don't know about that---Amaker had his team stay together after a 25-0 run and come back to take the lead. His team withstood a furious run at Harvard and got good shots to pull away. Maybe you call game preparation the same thing as in game coaching, but the huge advantage Penn has is in the preparation---we move the ball like no one else in the Ivies and Harvard, Princeton and Yale all look for matchups and try to get the ball to those guys with favorable matchups rather than the open man, as Penn does. That's why Penn had 8 guys who hit 20 this year and were remarkable in its assist-turnover ratio 492/379, while our opponents were 312/398. That's not game strategy--that's preparation. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-14-18 12:34 PM - Post#252989
I am not sure your points have any bearing on whether TA is a good in game coach or not. Maybe that's not what your were pointing out? I may have missed your point. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
03-14-18 12:37 PM - Post#252990
I'd much rather have an A+ recruiter than an A+ game coach. It's kind of like the free trade debate. The game coach's benefits are obvious, the recruiter's more diffuse. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-14-18 12:45 PM - Post#252993
I think of game coaching as the decisions one makes during the game to react to the other team and situation. In that regard, I think Amaker is pretty good. Where Donahue is far better is in creating a team philosophy and way to maximize the use of his talent in all games---that is practice and drilling. We are difficult to defend and play remarkable defense against the 3, giving us a chance to win most games. But I don't think you can look at the 3 Penn-Harvard games this year and say we won because we made adjustments during the game and Amaker couldn't do so---hell, his team recovered from a 25-0 run and then made a 10 point run without its best player. Amaker is a good coach. I'm not sure he works as hard as Donahue, though. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-14-18 01:05 PM - Post#253001
I'd much rather have an A+ recruiter than an A+ game coach. It's kind of like the free trade debate. The game coach's benefits are obvious, the recruiter's more diffuse. No argument from me. The coach who gets off the bus with the best players usually wins. Just ask the Kansas guys (RockChalkICTJHAWK I'm talking about you!!). That said, relative to Harvard (relax Killabees, this one's not about you) if you have similar players I'd take a better in game coach wouldn't you? I think Harvard has better players than Penn but they aren't a better team. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-14-18 01:15 PM - Post#253004
I think of game coaching as the decisions one makes during the game to react to the other team and situation. In that regard, I think Amaker is pretty good. Where Donahue is far better is in creating a team philosophy and way to maximize the use of his talent in all games---that is practice and drilling. We are difficult to defend and play remarkable defense against the 3, giving us a chance to win most games. But I don't think you can look at the 3 Penn-Harvard games this year and say we won because we made adjustments during the game and Amaker couldn't do so---hell, his team recovered from a 25-0 run and then made a 10 point run without its best player. Amaker is a good coach. I'm not sure he works as hard as Donahue, though. Again, I have heard from multiple people, with much more experience than you or I, that TA's reputation as an in game coach is questionable. I don't think his performance against us in 3 games is telling either way. We did beat them 2x with less talent though and that may be for other reasons than in game coaching. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
03-14-18 01:15 PM - Post#253005
Yeah, we'll see I guess. I love Tommy, I love what he's done at Harvard, I love what he says about the Ivy League. I would gladly switch Tommy for Steve going forward. Harvard needs to take a leap next year with Aiken presumably at full health and a top 50 recruiting class. It needs to be a bigger leap than the small, but likely, leap that I expect Penn to take. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12530 |
03-14-18 01:22 PM - Post#253007
Lots of years and experience with different teams to prove the point PennFan2010 is trying to make...I honestly don't know if I'd swap coaches right now. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-14-18 01:28 PM - Post#253008
No question that that is his reputation. But the loss of Aiken really meant that Harvard had 2 players who were better than Penn's guys and their big man (for whatever reason) can't play more than 28 or so minutes a game. Then Towns goes down and no one is going to tell me that without Towns, Harvard had better talent out there, yet they came back and had a chance to win in our building. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 01:31 PM - Post#253010
TA still had guys who were higher rated recruits than what we put on the court. Other than AJ - who I don't think Amaker recruited - name me one Penn player Amaker had any interest in recruiting? There are guys on his bench who never would have considered coming to Penn. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
03-14-18 01:34 PM - Post#253011
Q, 71, 42, 93, 32, 75 Steve's only put together one year that broke the top 100. That was Harvard's 2011-2015 KenPom rankings with five Ivy championships and 4 bids. These last 3 years have been rough-ish but there's certainly room for optimism... just as there is for Penn. But any disinterested observer would clearly choose Amaker every day of the year. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 01:38 PM - Post#253013
Jeff, the pro-Donahue argument is that Donahue has been able to win with inferior talent. I do get your point and don't disagree with it at all. And one day I hope Amaker gets to prove himself at a high major. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
03-14-18 01:46 PM - Post#253014
if he didn't leave during 2011-2015, he's not going anywhere. But maybe he's lost his touch. |
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jadwinjungle Freshman Posts 45 |
03-14-18 01:48 PM - Post#253015
Found this on Reddit, a picture of the arena for Kansas's open practice this afternoon in Wichita: https://i.imgur.com/lsrKzAi.jpg And a tweet with a video of the crowd: https://twitter.com/BFQuinn/status/973975 163707559... I expected a solid KU crowd but this is really impressive for a practice |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12530 |
03-14-18 01:49 PM - Post#253016
Are we now assuming that all recruiting is equal and that Tommy would be able to do the same at Penn? |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12530 |
03-14-18 01:50 PM - Post#253017
My buddy shared video from this morning. I'm shocked how many Kansas fans turned out for the practice. I started wondering if I had slept through Wednesday and it was Gameday. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-14-18 01:55 PM - Post#253018
It's probably a combination of three factors: 1. Kansas basketball is a very, very big deal to that state, its students and alumni and has been so for generations. 2. This tourney is a very, very big deal to the relative backwater Wichita, unlike the usual situation at a lot of other first round sites. 3. There's really no other competition in the state as far as entertainment value goes during late winter. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 01:59 PM - Post#253019
Coach K hasn't retired yet. Not sure they will pick Amaker, I'd expect Collins has the inside track, but maybe it will change his perspective either way. Or he just stays at Harvard because he like it there - I respect that he's made every effort to be part of the community. Anyway... back to Kansas. Sounds like Dok is "break glass if emergency". Has to up our chances somewhat. Devonte and Svi are going to be the biggest matchup issues but we know what needs to be done against them. It's a question whether our players can deal with their team's athleticism. I don't know about that. We may be a good 16 and they may be a slightly light 1 but that still means there's a talent gulf to overcome. I'm concerned about any of our key players getting in foul trouble - even if Woods needs to sit for an extended time we're in trouble. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 02:02 PM - Post#253020
And a tweet with a video of the crowd: I hope those of you who thought that we could swing the Thursday crowd our way just got a dose of reality. It ain't happening. This is going to be a full bore away game. And if for some reason we keep it close then the refs will job us. Watch. |
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bobbything Pre-Frosh Posts 3 |
03-14-18 02:27 PM - Post#253031
APPROVED!! I've got my thesaurus and subscription to Forbes in hand and I'm ready to go to battle. Bring it Quakers. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 02:33 PM - Post#253032
LOL. Good start. Why is Graham's 2FG% so low? Issues getting to the rim, converting once there or takes too many mid-range pull-ups? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-14-18 02:34 PM - Post#253033
Welcome! Most of us here are not Whartonites, however, so the thesaurus will be much more useful than the Forbes. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-14-18 02:34 PM - Post#253034
Where is Killabees? We need some more entertainment |
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TrillaTrilla Pre-Frosh Posts 4 
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03-14-18 02:35 PM - Post#253035
Cretinous nabob checking in. KU is about to get buckets like a backhoe. There's going to be more 3s than a Penn kegger |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-14-18 02:37 PM - Post#253036
That's alright, that's OK, you'll be playing basketball in the rec league with us some day? [Well, apparently, not currently in Wichita] |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8220
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03-14-18 02:38 PM - Post#253037
LOL - Seems killabees is a Yellow Jacket. I guess Tech basketball is way to irrelevant for him (or her). I like you guys. We should schedule KU in football. I like our chances in that one. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-14-18 02:38 PM - Post#253038
And a tweet with a video of the crowd: I hope those of you who thought that we could swing the Thursday crowd our way just got a dose of reality. It ain't happening. This is going to be a full bore away game. And if for some reason we keep it close then the refs will job us. Watch. There are 8 teams playing in Wichita. There isn’t going to be 15,000 tickets for KU fans available. So many of these folks are at practice because they can’t get a ticket to the game for $250. Impressive but I doubt there are this many KU fans at the actual game. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-14-18 02:40 PM - Post#253040
Awesome. Finally got some KU Cretans. Now we’re cooking with gas. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-14-18 02:40 PM - Post#253041
College Bowl for sure. Back in the day, I did that as a Quaker--fun. |
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03-14-18 02:41 PM - Post#253042
I like you guys. We should schedule KU in football. I like our chances in that one. I do too. #FireZenger |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-14-18 02:44 PM - Post#253043
Impressive but I doubt there are this many KU fans at the actual game. I doubt it, too. They'll all be back in Lawrence for their 1 pm seminar on Postmodern Art in the era of Trump. |
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bobbything Pre-Frosh Posts 3 |
03-14-18 02:44 PM - Post#253044
LOL. Good start. Why is Graham's 2FG% so low? Issues getting to the rim, converting once there or takes too many mid-range pull-ups? Honestly, it's a combination of a few things. He's not particularly good at finishing around the rim and he is prone to settling for jumpers. Driving into the lane doesn't come all that naturally to him. Thus, he'll settle for some shots that make you think, "Why?" All that said, he makes this team go. He's excellent from beyond the arc and has incredible range, he's also a very good passer (though he'll have a few WTF moments). And with Svi and Malik playing the way they are, he gets more looks from outside...thus taking them. He'll test the waters going inside but if those shots aren't falling, he'll settle for jumpers. ETA: He's excellent at getting the big guys involved. As mentioned, he's a good passer. Finds the right angles for oops and down low entries. He tends to play within himself and knows his limitations. If you watched the UCLA/SBU game from last night, he's the opposite of Holliday. |
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03-14-18 02:44 PM - Post#253045
That's alright, that's OK, you'll be playing basketball in the rec league with us some day? 105-67 KU |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-14-18 02:46 PM - Post#253046
Rather have you rhymin than rimmin. Because if the latter, it's gonna be tap city 12 minutes in. |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1171 |
03-14-18 02:47 PM - Post#253047
I like you guys. We should schedule KU in football. I like our chances in that one. I do too. #FireZenger Kansas:Penn::Gale Sayers:Chuck Bednarik I'll take Concrete Charlie any day. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-14-18 02:48 PM - Post#253048
Don't remind the folks in Omaha 'bout that, either. They probably still haven't forgiven the Kansas Comet from boltin'. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-14-18 02:49 PM - Post#253049
No question that that is his reputation. But the loss of Aiken really meant that Harvard had 2 players who were better than Penn's guys and their big man (for whatever reason) can't play more than 28 or so minutes a game. Then Towns goes down and no one is going to tell me that without Towns, Harvard had better talent out there, yet they came back and had a chance to win in our building. Don’t forget about the mind boggling starting lineup he used in his annual loss to Holy Cross. Pure genius. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-14-18 02:50 PM - Post#253050
Penn: Trump Kansas: Brownback I despise Brownback, but you guys still win this one in a romp |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 02:51 PM - Post#253051
OK, then we got experience playing against Graham's skill set, just not many who do it anywhere near his level Svi's the guy who could give us more trouble. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 02:52 PM - Post#253052
Penn: Trump Kansas: Brownback I despise Brownback, but you guys still win this one in a romp Wow, totally forgot Brownback. Makes me feel sorry for Kansas. |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1171 |
03-14-18 02:54 PM - Post#253053
Penn: Trump Kansas: Brownback I despise Brownback, but you guys still win this one in a romp Wow, totally forgot Brownback. Makes me feel sorry for Kansas. Yeah but they got Rob Riggle too, so they can't be all bad. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2691 |
03-14-18 02:54 PM - Post#253054
Amaker and Donahue are both great coaches who turned their programs around. They just did it in different ways. Donahue built a team around his vision, even jettisoning the best talent the program had - Tony Hicks. Amaker recruited his way to the top, focusing on his style of play - defense. Both systems worked and both coaches should be commended (as they have now been) because both programs are far above where they were. As for Penn's success, however, I do think it was accelerated due to the misfortune that beset Harvard and Yale. If Mason and Bruner were available, and if Aiken and McCarthy were available, then I believe Penn ends up third in the league. I know Penn lost some players, but these not proven all league/POY talents like Mason, Aiken and - I believe - Bruner. By the way, Harvard lost other players comparable to those Penn lost (McCarthy, Myers and Egi) and I'm assuming Yale probably did as well. |
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03-14-18 02:55 PM - Post#253055
Penn: Trump Kansas: Brownback I despise Brownback, but you guys still win this one in a romp Wow, totally forgot Brownback. Makes me feel sorry for Kansas. lets keep it on topic here brah |
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bobbything Pre-Frosh Posts 3 |
03-14-18 03:07 PM - Post#253056
OK, then we got experience playing against Graham's skill set, just not many who do it anywhere near his level Svi's the guy who could give us more trouble. KU has three guards that shoot really well from the outside. Svi is more prone to going cold (though not lately). He's relatively tall for a guard, so he can/will shoot over people if given a look. He will take it inside if someone gets up in his face. His handles aren't awful but whenever he puts the ball on the floor, the entire state of Kansas' sphincters pucker a little. Though, he is surprisingly good at finishing around the rim. Newman isn't afraid to go inside either. He was the best player at the B12 tourney by a long shot. He, seemingly, can do it all at the moment. I watch the whole Ivy championship game and, from what I could tell, I'd anticipate Self going inside early (whether or not Azabuke plays). De Sousa, early on, looked like a deer in the headlights. Then something clicked and he's crashing the offensive boards hard, getting into great position, and playing decent on defense. I'd think that with a relative height/length (De Sousa isn't terribly tall, but he is loooooong) advantage, we'd test that first. Your guards are good. They handle the ball well and crash the perimeter well. So, I'd think their priority #1 would be to not allow Graham/Svi/Newman win from the outside (or, at least, limit the damage). You'll probably see them try and take their man off the dribble, but we aren't a dribble-drive kind of team, really. Self will move the ball around on every possession. The ball rarely sticks. So, you'll see a ton of passing and lots and lots of ball reversals to try and get an open shot from the outside or an angle down low. If that fails, within that possession, you'll see some one-on-one type stuff. My fear is that our big guys get into foul trouble early (something Azabuke is insanely prone to). If that happens, you'll see more jumpers and, if they aren't falling, it could be our downfall. That's assuming all three guards are off. And with your perimeter defense, I think it's a legitimate possibility that one of them goes cold. Vick has been in an insane slump since January but he is capable as well as he's a very good athlete. But something is off with him. On the defensive end, we aren't terrible, but we aren't terrific. We do a good job at limiting first-shot buckets, but we are absolutely abysmal at defensive rebounding. If you want a blueprint on how to beat this team, look no further than the two Okie State losses. Get tons of second chance points, hit 50% from three. The team that does that is the team that is going to beat us. We will need to limit your opportunities from the perimeter. You guys seemingly don't have any problem hucking from three, so we cannot allow long offensive rebounds. I think, mainly because of our size, we'll be okay inside, but you guys look like you run lots of pick/rolls, which could get us into foul trouble and/or open up the perimeter. However, we do a really nice job of hedging and fighting through screens. Honestly, I think we need to keep your guards from going off from three. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 03:11 PM - Post#253057
Our offense is lots of motion/passing. Heavy on 3's and getting to the rim - though most aren't great on converting from there. Defense mostly man with lots of switching and is based on defending the arc and rim, though better at the former than the latter. We don't play many bigs with the size and ability as yours. De Sousa and Lightfoot will be challenges even if Dok isn't playing. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 03:42 PM - Post#253059
HDG, you're wrong. Penn's roster consists of players that don't make Amaker's 3rd or 4th recruiting sheet. And you're saying we won because a couple of the guys on Amaker's 1st and 2nd page couldn't play? Amaker still had a roster full of guys that he'd prefer over every one of our players. He's the recruiting genius after all. And Yale - who we blew out of the water - could beat us too? Note to recruits - choose Penn. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-14-18 03:44 PM - Post#253060
You're new here, aren't you? You'll learn. 
Penn: Trump Kansas: Brownback I despise Brownback, but you guys still win this one in a romp Wow, totally forgot Brownback. Makes me feel sorry for Kansas. lets keep it on topic here brah |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 03:45 PM - Post#253061
I'm ok keeping on topic. Only have a day of this. No need to get distracted. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2691 |
03-14-18 03:51 PM - Post#253062
I gave credit for Donahue for doing a lot with what he has. Absolutely. What I was saying is that Penn's ascendance was accelerated due to fate of opponents. If Yale has Bruner and Mason. This is all moot as Yale wins everything. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-14-18 03:52 PM - Post#253063
I didn't see HDG saying anything wrong. It's true that Donahue's first act was to tell Hicks that if he wanted to stay, he had to buy into the program. That sent a message to the entire team and started the rebuild immediately. And the rebuild clearly moved ahead due to the injuries suffered by Yale and Harvard---sure we had injuries to our freshmen, but none to core players. But we still won it fair and square--injuries happen. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-14-18 03:52 PM - Post#253064
And if queen had acorns, she'd be the king. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-14-18 03:54 PM - Post#253065
Betley has been our most consistent threat from 3 ever since, well, he joined the program. He can also score a variety of other ways. Wood has emerged this year as probably the top 6th man in the Ivy League, in part because of his 3 point shooting. His defense has improved, and while your speed will test him at least he should hold his own size-wise. Woods, if left alone, can be a solid 3 point shooter but normally we don't like seeing him put up those shots if contested. Shootingwise, Foreman has been the surprise of the team for the latter half of the season. For most of his career, he has not been a good shooter, period. But he has found his mojo as a scorer, both in the paint as well as from distance. On our bench--Jackson Donahue is a streaky shooter although he has not seen nearly as much action this year as in previous ones. Sam Jones was at one time a starter--his best tool by far is his 3 point shooting. But the rest of his game leaves much to be desired. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 03:56 PM - Post#253066
Y'all lost with your blue chippers. We won with our misfits. We get Kansas on Thursday. Nothing else matters because winners don't need excuses. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2691 |
03-14-18 04:02 PM - Post#253068
Whatever you want to believe. Good Luck Thursday. See you next year. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-14-18 04:04 PM - Post#253069
Thanks--you too. Understand, the blood is up. |
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Cvonvorys Postdoc Posts 4471
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03-14-18 04:09 PM - Post#253073
Whatever you want to believe. Good Luck Thursday. See you next year. Good luck tonight vs. Marquette. I'll be watching up until the Pens v Rangers game... |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-14-18 04:12 PM - Post#253074
Did you say "Bleeding Kansas"? |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-14-18 04:12 PM - Post#253075
Good luck tonight! |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 586 |
03-14-18 04:14 PM - Post#253076
Is that like Crazy Eyes Killa? |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 04:38 PM - Post#253078
So lowly Penn won in a down season and only because superior teams were injured / spit the bit. Got it. It's been repeated enough times that even I can understand it now. Maybe we can ask the players to split the trophy they got in two so Harvard and Yale - the two more deserving teams - can share it. Though I'm first going to ask my buddies over on the Princeton board if they feel like they deserve a piece of it too. I'd like to be a magnanimous (hey, Kansas dudes, pull out that thesaurus now) winner but it's becoming to hard to do that. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-14-18 04:39 PM - Post#253079
Always win gracefully. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-14-18 04:41 PM - Post#253080
So lowly Penn won in a down season and only because superior teams had injured teams / spit the bit. To be fair, I can't really say I disagree. We overachieved...by a ton. We also grew as a team from the beginning of the year by a lot and were the best TEAM. Even if Foreman and Wood were to somehow magically return next year, I can't imagine any serious Ivy observer giving the Quakers a predicted #1 finish. Not so sure I'd see a #2, either. |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 586 |
03-14-18 04:43 PM - Post#253082
No One Likes Us, We Don’t Care |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-14-18 04:48 PM - Post#253083
Strongly disagree. We have 4 guys coming in who are more highly touted recruits and will be able to play. We'll have again only 2 seniors (Rothschild and Woods) who will play major minutes, unless Donahue is the designated shooter next year. Steve Donahue will have these guys ready. But that's next year. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-14-18 04:51 PM - Post#253084
Next year in the (rebuilt) Palestra. Is the Seder over now? |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-14-18 04:58 PM - Post#253086
It’s all house money |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 05:20 PM - Post#253089
The Kansas dudes must be getting a kick outta this. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 05:23 PM - Post#253090
I like being the underdog. It's part of our DNA now. And I like who's coming next year. Wang is a big recruit, no? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-14-18 05:33 PM - Post#253091
Even there we're the underdog because the more touted recruit from that school is going to... |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 586 |
03-14-18 05:46 PM - Post#253092
... play in a high school gym |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 06:08 PM - Post#253094
Been looking over some of the advanced stats for Kansas. The bigs are good at finishing at the rim, the guards are good at shooting 3's, they don't shoot many long jumpers. There's no way we'd be able to contain Dok, we might be able to slow down De Souza and Lightfoot but it's going to be tough. With 3 guys hitting 3's at a 40+% rate it's going to be real tough to chase all of them off the arc. Svi is too tall for us to completely contain. Kansas isn't a great OReb team - good for us - but they're probably better at it than any team we've faced including Nova. On D, Kansas defends the 3 well and have bigs who can make life difficult inside. Lightfoot looks to be a good defender based on the numbers. Such is life as a 16 seed. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1896 |
03-14-18 06:10 PM - Post#253095
Whatever you want to believe. Good Luck Thursday. See you next year. HDG, I'll back you that both coaches deserve praise - without the attached snark. How can we criticize TA other than to say that he should do more than turn a perennial bottom dweller into a perennial competitor for the championship? In the games I watched, Harvard did appear noticeably larger and more athletic. It felt a bit uphill for Penn on that front. I would give the in-game chess match to Donahue, but that is not a slight on Amaker. His team was composed and competed all the way through. To me, Harvard is a well coached team. His schemes did not seem to create as much offense for the players though - he seemed to rely more on the talent of the players to create offense than to scheme it. I'll take Donahue for our program, but that is placing a long bet that he will be able to recruit effectively. We'll see if he can actually fulfill that forecast. Great season! |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2691 |
03-14-18 06:15 PM - Post#253096
I have no problem at all with your perspective. Penn was definitely well coached and Coach Donahue should be commended - actually, he was, as Coach of the Year! |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4358 |
03-14-18 06:59 PM - Post#253101
Did you know that Michael Wang actually lives with Spencer Feldman's family? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21193 |
03-14-18 07:03 PM - Post#253102
Freedman not bizarro Kramer |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2137 |
03-14-18 07:44 PM - Post#253105
No One Likes Us, We Don’t Care Same as it ever was. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
03-14-18 08:19 PM - Post#253115
I’m not conceding anything next year. A team that moved up to 127 in pomeroy and returns it’s best 2 players plus 2 more starters should be a top 100 team. I expect to be better next year, and that means Harvard and Yale will need to improve by more to pass us. |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1171 |
03-14-18 08:37 PM - Post#253119
I love your confidence, but I think a lot depends on what kind of contributions we get from Williams, Scott and Wang, LLC. |
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Ben Franklin Masters Student Posts 652 |
03-14-18 08:46 PM - Post#253121
Let me speak for all the Jayhawks fans and ask, "Why the hell are the Penn nerds on the thread titled 'Kansas' talking about Tommy Amaker and Harvard?" |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2691 |
03-14-18 08:47 PM - Post#253122
You do realize that there are virtually no seniors in this league with significant minutes, certainly none on Harvard. I believe Penn loses more than any other team in Foreman and Wood. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 08:51 PM - Post#253123
Kind of funny that a guy who almost went to Hartford or Georgian Court until he talked Jerome into recruiting him is now the most feared player on our team according to Harvard and Kansas. Imagine how awesome he'd be without a stress fracture. When can we get his picture on that space on the back corner wall? He deserves it. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2691 |
03-14-18 08:54 PM - Post#253124
I should expand by recognizing that a few teams lose one regular like Yale (Reynolds) and Princeton (Bell), but I don't think that Brown, Cornell or Columbia lose much. Likely Penn loses the most in minutes and points (other than Dartmouth). Harvard loses the least of all schools (Egi, Chatfield, Yoshor). The entire league is going to get much better next year and - for some teams - even better the year after that. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-14-18 08:59 PM - Post#253127
They both are very good players, but are replaceable. If Williams is as good as advertised and Woods does what I believe he can do as lead guard and Goodman takes another step up, Penn will be very good. Too bad Harvard doesn't have another 5 minutes tonight. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
03-14-18 09:01 PM - Post#253128
I’m not conceding anything next year. A team that moved up to 127 in pomeroy and returns it’s best 2 players plus 2 more starters should be a top 100 team. I expect to be better next year, and that means Harvard and Yale will need to improve by more to pass us. that's what I was saying earlier. They have to catch us... of course we caught them from behind this year, so it's not like it's impossible by any stretch. I think we overstate our recruiting class by talking about Eddie and Jelani as frosh. One, I'll be shocked if they both stay 5 years. They almost certainly won't if they're as good as you think they are because why not have someone else pay for your master's. Two, they weren't as highly thought of before the season as Harvard's peeps. Three, Jelani had a very serious injury. You can, of course, recover from it, but it happened and it lowers his outlook. it just has to until proven otherwise. Four... did someone say we have four people in this class? who is the fourth? |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-14-18 09:05 PM - Post#253133
Simmons(who hardly played in the Ivy season) and Wang |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8220
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03-14-18 09:10 PM - Post#253139
Check out this article from the CBS sports site |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-14-18 09:18 PM - Post#253142
Simmons doesn't count. And as Jeff rightly points out we'll see about Scott and Williams. Why I think it's possible is how tight this team is. Jelani was going on road trips with the team. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3584 |
03-15-18 01:05 AM - Post#253163
I completely disagree with the notion that Harvard and Yale put Penn in 3rd place without injuries. It’s all speculative and Yale would certainly be better. Harvard had a losing record with Aiken playing and While he is a monster, it’s not necessarily wholly additive to Harvard. And Bruner is a strong talent but there is no indication they win it all with those guys. Com8ng on here after the fact to say we wouldn’t have won strikes me as sour grapes. You want a shot at the title? Stay healthy. I believe we still win vs both those schools. |
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03-15-18 04:42 AM - Post#253165
Love the press to get word out on Penn and for recruiting. Hate it from perspective of no chance to sneak up on Kansas and also gives them an added chip on their shoulders. Here’s to hoping we can just put together a great game and keep it interesting/close throughout. |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 586 |
03-15-18 06:47 AM - Post#253166
Why are we talking about Harvard? It's Game Day. Let's go make history? |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-15-18 07:06 AM - Post#253168
Realistically it's an extreme long shot. But honestly the entire season has been a long shot. This is a game for Antonio Woods to shine. Max needs to bring it - both for his interior passing and to help AJ avoid foul trouble. And we'll also need a big game from someone not in the core 6, I don't know who but no doubt Donahue has something in mind. Psyched! |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 586 |
03-15-18 07:41 AM - Post#253170
Let’s do this! |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-15-18 08:05 AM - Post#253172
The Dunphy Quakers got moral victories. The Donahue Quakers shock the world. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3050 |
03-15-18 08:45 AM - Post#253173
Some pregame links from out in Kansas - https://kansas.rivals.com/news/penn-talks-about -fa... (Transcript of Press Conference) http://www.kansan.com/sports/gameday-no-kan sas-vs-... http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/mar/14/penn -aim... http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-bl ogs... (article written by Vahe Gregorian, Class of '83?) And, a hometown DP supplement - http://projects.thedp.com/2018/03/march-madness / GO QUAKERS!!!!! |
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03-15-18 09:33 AM - Post#253179
Personally, I'll be paying attention to Darnell's shot selection... I hope that Ryan & Caleb & AJ and others can knock down some shots early so that Darnell doesn't think he needs to carry the scoring burden. It's been well documented what our record is when Darnell attempts more than 10 FGs vs. 10 or less... Let's hope we have some recruits out there watching who want to be part of this in the future... |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
03-15-18 09:51 AM - Post#253181
Heard guy on the radio yesterday--one of those sports betting guys. He noted that the Kansas and Penn spread of 15 points was a record. He attributed it to Kansas not being a legitimate number one. He said they should have been a three seed. Take that Jayhawks fans. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23360 |
03-15-18 09:53 AM - Post#253183
The talk is (almost) over. Time to strap on the shoulder pads. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6404 |
03-15-18 10:12 AM - Post#253185
HDG — yes, I realize the league loses very few seniors. My point is broader than just our league — a 127 Pomeroy team that doesn’t lose much (regardless of whether other teams in the league lose less) is likely a top 100 team the next year. To me, that just sets the bar that Harvard and others will need to climb over. I think that’s a pretty high bar even for Ivy teams that lose nobody (Harvard). Also, Yale should have Reynolds back (he’s a junior). They lose Yates, who was a useful reserve, but wouldn’t have been playing if not for the injuries (and I believe was a walk-on to begin with). |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1171 |
03-15-18 10:29 AM - Post#253189
Well I guess that's going to be the debate over the summer, isn't it? Can we replace the loss of Foreman and Wood with improved returnees plus Scott/Williams/Wang? Jeff-P38 blowup in 10-9-8-7-... |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-15-18 10:39 AM - Post#253190
Why? I think Jeff and I agree on this. But that's for later, anyway. GO QUAKERS!!!!!!!!! |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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03-15-18 10:45 AM - Post#253191
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-bl ogs... (article written by Vahe Gregorian, Class of '83?) His father was provost in the late 70s, early 80s - was the in-house favorite son of many to become Penn’s president when the trustees chose Sheldon Hackney. Later became president of the New York Public Library, where he was a renowned fundraiser, and then president of Brown. He’s run the Carnegie Foundation for 20+ years. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32803 |
03-15-18 10:50 AM - Post#253192
The peacemaker during the famed '78 sit-in. http://www.library.upenn.edu/docs/kislak/dp/1978/1 ... (And they still did not restore the Hockey program) |
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UPIA1968 PhD Student Posts 1120
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03-15-18 04:27 PM - Post#253294
So ends one of the most satisfying seasons in the program’s history, competent play on the road against a top ten team. Sure, I would love to have seen an upset. Still, the meaning of this game is the experience gained by the returning players and the national stage Steve can point to in recruiting. The team should also learn from the free throw differential: 5-14 compared to 15-17 by Kansas. To win at the next level that has to be 11-15 of better. Same thing for the 8-11 turnover differential. Turn both of those of those differentials around and you have a close came or a win. The other imperative is to find a way to get Betley involved, even when overplayed. You can’t have your leading scorer disappear like that, or like it happened in several games down the stretch. One thing would help if he develops a left hand move to the hole. It was interesting to see how much time Devon got. Steve played, I think, only seven players until the end there. That Devon was one of them suggests that he will be the point guard next year. Note also that Antonio had ten points and two assists against no turnovers. I predict he will become a significant scorer next year, although he reminds me a lot of Rob Belcore. I would sure settle for that. I’ll close with a sincere goodbye to Caleb and Darnell. More than anything this year, their improved play made the difference. Yes, I would like to see the matriculation of a 4-star stud or two, but Penn’s march towards excellence is far more the development of 2-star recruits like them into 4-star players. Need I point out that Harvard suited up nine 2.5-star or better players this year (not counting Aiken), most of whom performed like 2-star players. College basketball is so much harder than high school basketball. True, as Mike James points, recruiting has a clearly statistically-significanc e on performance. But I would like to seem him perform his magic on the importance of development in college. Who is this kid from suburban Philly name Betley again? |
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03-16-18 08:54 AM - Post#253359
Quantifying the loss of seniors, interestingly Princeton loses the most minutes (over 1900). Penn is a shade behind (over 1800), and Dartmouth (1700) a shade behind Penn. Dartmouth is the only team that loses 2 starters. Pretty big drop to Columbia around 1100. None of the other four lose a starter. Yale loses about 600 minutes and a rotation player in Yates. Brown loses Massey and over 300. Cornell loses a little less than Brown, and nobody who was consistently in the rotation (after Bathurst got hurt). Harvard lost the least minutes and only deep depth (though they lost a 4 Star and a 3star recruit). |
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