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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147 
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07-24-18 05:16 PM - Post#259411
Time to start this thread. Here are a few items, in no particular order, that some may have missed. 1. Most will remember that Holy Cross suspended three players around the end of January: starting wing Karl Charles, reserve center Jack Stephens, and walk-on Will Powers. All three are now gone, with an NCAA and possibly criminal investigation proceeding. Rumors that I have heard from several HC alums but not confirmed are that their transgression involved betting activities with bookies. The HC recruiting situation this spring/summer has been bizarre, with players only getting "opportunities to play", as opposed to scholarship offers. Not sure if the former means walk-on status with need-based aid or what. It seems like HC is not sure at this point as to whether they may have to forfeit scholarships. 2. Colgate has landed two transfers who may be starters down the road. First is a third-year 6-10 center from Northwestern, Rapolas Ivanauskas, who missed most of his first two years with two major shoulder surgeries. CU has petitioned the NCAA to let him play immediately - as opposed to sitting out a year as normally required for transfers - but I have no idea if they will permit it. Second is 6-0 CG Nelly Cummings, who was a rotation player as a freshman at Bowling Green. Was Pittsburgh Area POY two years ago and was recruited by the Bison. 3. Navy lost freshman 6-8 PF/C Tyler Riemersma to transfer. He averaged about 11 mpg as a key reserve. 4. Navy's Athletic Association, which has funded their sports program for many years in a very opulent manner, has hit a budget crisis which may necessitate some spending cuts. One cut is that Navy basketball will now have to make do with the same four-man coaching staff that has always been the max for non-Service Academy teams. Navy wil still no doubt have a larger budget for the various sports than any PL school except possibly Army. 5. Loyola lost four players to transfer, but the effect is minimal. One of them, Chancellor Barnard, was a solid player for three years - often starting -but sat out all last year due to a torn pec muscle. He would have helped them this year but is now a grad transfer at Binghamton. The other three who are gone are: wing Ian Langendoerfer, PR River Reed, and PG Nevell Provo. Two have now transferred to D2/D3 programs, and I doubt if many quality programs are beating down Reed's door. 6. Boston U adds 6-1 PG Alex Vilarino, who spend one semester as a recruited walk-on at Texas Tech. Coach Jones said he will be available to play from Day 1 this year - which I don't understand since at this point he has only been enrolled at Boston for one semester, not the two semesters normally required under NCAA rules. He will likely be of value to them as a backup PG.
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hvsader Pre-Frosh Posts 2 |
07-30-18 10:03 AM - Post#259629
As bison137 knows, we have a rule on Crossports of not posting rumors about players. So, while he may have heard what he posted above from HC fans, nothing has been posted on our board and any information is hearsay. Nothing has been announced publicly by Holy Cross. It is unfortunate that he chose to post the rumors here. |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370 
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07-30-18 05:13 PM - Post#259708
hvsader, I hope that the rumors are not true. A strong, competitive HC team is good for the PL as a whole.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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10-01-18 10:37 AM - Post#261738
Looks like the HC Board is pretty psyched about a new recruit who recently committed, Ryan Wade (G): https://twitter.com/rwade15/status/104616 006706892... WorcesterGray wrote, "For the record, Ryan had a slew of mid-major offers - a handful from the MAC and Detroit last year, and six more this past summer, including Air Force, San Diego, Robert Morris, North Dakota, and Lehigh." Wade is listed online as anywhere between 5'-9" (ESPN) and 6'-1" (Verbal Commits). That is a big range. I remember American having 2 very good, smaller guards about 10 years ago that took them to the Dance and put a scare in Nova. Just out of interest, who was the smallest guard to make the All-PL Team since 2000?
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HuskyColonial PhD Student Posts 1976 |
10-01-18 07:06 PM - Post#261749
The Big East needs good recruits! 😊 |
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Bucknellbisonfan21 Masters Student Posts 548 
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10-19-18 10:34 AM - Post#263042
https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/patriot-2019-p... Here’s a league preview from a site if anyone is looking for some reading material. |
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Bucknellbisonfan21 Masters Student Posts 548
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10-26-18 12:43 PM - Post#263560
https://cbbcentral.com/2018/10/26/32x32-2018 -19-pa... More league preview reading material. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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11-06-18 05:24 PM - Post#264413
If you are interested in scouting some of the PL challengers, a few games are available on different networks tonight: Colgate at NJIT 7 PM ESPN+ http://www.espn.com/watch/collections/133 01/colleg... Marist at Army 7 PM PLN https://watchstadium.com/network/patriot-leagu e-ne... Sacred Heart at Holy Cross 7 PM PLN https://watchstadium.com/live/150263/ Lehigh at Monmouth 8:30 PM ESPN3 http://www.espn.com/watch/player?bucketId =13301&am... If you happen to be an ESPN+ subscriber, another game of interest is Penn vs George Mason at 7 PM.
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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11-06-18 08:18 PM - Post#264461
The big transfer from Northwestern, Ivanauskas, not only has been granted immediate eligibility for Colgate but has scored 12 points in the first 5 minutes. Based on his potential and the fact that he appears healthy, it makes Colgate a very serious contender. Ivanauskas is a good bet to make some level of All-PL if he stays healthy. CU started a huge lineup, with 6-8 Will Raymond at SF
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
11-06-18 08:26 PM - Post#264468
Holy Cross fans masquerading as empty seats for their season opener. Maybe 500 people. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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11-06-18 08:46 PM - Post#264480
HC is not surprisingly blowing out a really bad Sacred Heart team.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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11-09-18 07:27 PM - Post#265010
There are several games on tonight that include PL teams. It should give us and idea of how good these teams are early in the season: Lehigh vs. Miami (7pm ACC Network) Monmouth vs. Colgate (7pm) American vs. George Mason (7pm ESPN+) Vermont vs. Boston U (7pm) Maryland vs. Navy (8:30pm CBS Sports Network)
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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11-09-18 07:51 PM - Post#265011
Boston U vs Vermont should be a good one. Boston U played great, and used a lot of freshman, in a good road win against CAA preseason favorite Northeastern. Also interested to see how Colgate fares. They should be Monmouth by double digits, but their defense was not good in their first game.
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
11-09-18 09:43 PM - Post#265035
Boston U vs Vermont should be a good one. Boston U played great, and used a lot of freshman, in a good road win against CAA preseason favorite Northeastern. Also interested to see how Colgate fares. They should be Monmouth by double digits, but their defense was not good in their first game. Good game at Boston. 68-68 at the under 4. |
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Bison54 PhD Student Posts 1800 
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11-09-18 09:58 PM - Post#265049
American GMU to overtime Vermont 76 BU 72 |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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11-09-18 10:15 PM - Post#265056
Colgate pulled away to a 13-point win over Monmouth. The big transfer from Northwestern, Ivanauskas, had 22 points and 10 rebounds. Colgate is a very realistic championship contender with him in the lineup. CU, LU and Boston U have all started strong and look to be candidates for #1. Ivanuskas' presence, plus the addition of a freshman wing (Tucker Richardson) who can play figures to significantly reduce the playing time of Mr. Flagrant Foul, Dana Batt.
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Bison54 PhD Student Posts 1800
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11-09-18 10:19 PM - Post#265058
Colgate 87 Monmouth 74 (Monmouth 35-34 at half) Miami 83 Lehigh 62 BU 78 Mason &5 |
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Bucknellbisonfan21 Masters Student Posts 548
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11-10-18 11:14 AM - Post#265112
After the loss to American last night, Dave Paulsen is now 1-2 vs Patriot League teams at George Mason. |
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HuskyColonial PhD Student Posts 1976 |
11-10-18 09:06 PM - Post#265173
Holy Cross up 6 at Michigan late in the first half. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
11-12-18 07:55 PM - Post#265338
Not the Patriot League, but Vermont plays at Kansas tonight. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203 
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11-18-18 05:29 PM - Post#266246
Holy Cross beat Siena 57-45 in a game without any made free throws. The teams were a combined 0 for 3. |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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11-24-18 06:31 PM - Post#266900
Lehigh trailing Kansas State 37-35 at halftime. The PL will be tough this year.
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HuskyColonial PhD Student Posts 1976 |
11-24-18 07:19 PM - Post#266910
I agree. K State pulled away but that was a competitive contest. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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11-26-18 09:34 PM - Post#267168
Best wins for PL teams thus far this year: 1. Boston U over #99 Northeastern 2. Bucknell over #130 Vermont 3. American over #160 GMU 4. Bucknell over #168 St. Bona
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MrPhillie Postdoc Posts 2757 
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11-26-18 11:48 PM - Post#267170
Nice to see Bucknell’s two wins against good opponents. Wonder what are the worst losses by PL teams thus far? (Yes, I’m lazy...I admit.) |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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11-27-18 12:19 AM - Post#267179
OK, here are the worst eight losses. All based on Pomeroy. Boston U - #262 Drexel Army - #318 Sacred Heart, #294 UMass Lowell Lafayette - #308 St Francis (NY) Loyola - #283 Towson, #270 Detroit Navy - #329 Morgan State
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Bison54 PhD Student Posts 1800
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11-27-18 08:09 AM - Post#267184
And the eighth is? There are three kinds of accountants, those who can count and those who can't There are 10 kinds of people...those who understand binary and those who don't |
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BisonFan4 Junior Posts 211 |
11-27-18 08:18 AM - Post#267185
😂😂😂 |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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12-01-18 08:10 PM - Post#267753
Good day for the Patriot League at 6-1. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/scoreb...
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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12-05-18 06:13 PM - Post#268148
About 25% into the season, the PL is starting to tighten up and looks to be competitive. As per kenpom.com: 140. Lehigh 5-2 141. Holy Cross 6-3 164. Colgate 6-3 178. American 5-2 181. Bucknell 4-3 185. Boston U 6-4 268. Army 4-6 307. Loyola MD 3-5 309. Lafayette 2-5 320. Navy 2-5
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
12-05-18 07:36 PM - Post#268152
It's hard to tell how good a team we have. The losses to Canisius and especially Fairfield are baffling. The schedule is much less tough than it appeared with St. Bona, Monmouth, & La Salle all struggling. The St. Mary's and Rhode Island games should tell whether this team is for real or not. Holy Cross and American look much better than I expected. Bucknell and Boston look worse, at least on paper. |
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BisonFan4 Junior Posts 211 |
12-05-18 07:41 PM - Post#268153
We'll look alot better on paper after knocking off Ohio State next weekend 😠|
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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12-05-18 08:34 PM - Post#268157
It's hard to tell how good a team we have. The losses to Canisius and especially Fairfield are baffling. They were certainly winnable but I don' t think baffling, given that Sestina was out. Had he played, they easily beat Fairfield and would have had a good shot vs Canisius One thing is that this team is not that experienced and many are in new roles. Toomer is stepping up as a scorer, which is great, and Sotos needs to find more consistency in terms of creating offense. The frosh hopefully will continue to develop and become bigger contributors and limit the mistakes. Last night the game was won with great shooting, despite a lot of turnovers, a ton of fouls (some bogus), and too many mental errors. They need to improve in these areas.
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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12-05-18 09:31 PM - Post#268162
About 25% into the season, the PL is starting to tighten up and looks to be competitive. As per kenpom.com: 140. Lehigh 5-2 141. Holy Cross 6-3 164. Colgate 6-3 178. American 5-2 181. Bucknell 4-3 185. Boston U 6-4 268. Army 4-6 307. Loyola MD 3-5 309. Lafayette 2-5 320. Navy 2-5 The PL in its history has never had more than four teams finish in the top 185. The only comparable year would be 2008 when American, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Colgate, and Navy all finished between 150 and 200 when there were only eight teams. The league overall ranked #21 that year, compared to a current ranking of #20. There is only year ever when the PL was ranked higher than the current #20, that being 2013 when it ended up 17th thanks to a very strong Bison squad and a good Lehigh one. Putting the current ranking of #20 into perspective, I think there are 11 high-major conferences - ending with the MVC and the WCC. That leaves 21 mid-major and low-major leagues - with the PL 9th of those 21, right behind the CAA, WAC, Sun Belt and Summit, and just ahead of the Big West, Big Sky, Horizon, and MAAC. PL is way ahead of America East and the NEC.
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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12-05-18 11:54 PM - Post#268178
Other PL games tonight: - Navy with a nice 15-point win at Delaware, who was having a pretty good season before tonight. Mids had 10 fewer turnovers and got an amazing 53% of available offensive rebounds. (The norm is 28.6%.) - Lehigh lost to a good Yale team 97-87. Deciding factor was Yale's 43-28 edge in rebounding. LU's two-headed monster at center, 6-9 Karnik and 6-10 Lynch - combined for three rebounds. - Colgate edged Columbia by two points. Colgate had a 13 point lead with 10 minutes left, then fell behind before rallying to win. - Loyola led Drexel at the half, but gave up a 17-5 run to start the second half and lost. Andrew Kostecka, who is leading the league in scoring, had 31 points. He originally committed to HC but backed out when Milan Brown was fired. Loyola only had five turnovers, but Drexel had a lot more FT's. - And finally, LC blown out at UConn. -
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NavyVoice Freshman Posts 38 |
12-06-18 06:35 AM - Post#268186
Navy 17 offensive rebounds in the first half, but only 15 second chance points. Mids shot it much better in the second half and every time Delaware and their great freshmen Horton out of Roselle Catholic, via St. Anthony's, made a run, Navy had an answer. Lots of Freshmen and Soph's contributing for Navy.. Good signs... Took a year to get administrative help to finally get back on the board!!! |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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12-06-18 12:39 PM - Post#268204
Took a year to get administrative help to finally get back on the board!!! NavyVoice, welcome back! Post often.
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
12-06-18 05:22 PM - Post#268219
Welcome back NavyVoice nee Voice of Navy Sports. |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
12-06-18 06:58 PM - Post#268224
Bonnies and VM helping us ascend the kenpom ladder even while idle. Up to 178 today. |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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12-07-18 09:14 AM - Post#268251
Bonnies and VM helping us ascend the kenpom ladder even while idle. Up to 178 today. And HC has moved up to first in the PL with a ranking of #141. That's gotta make the HC Faithful happy! (Other than a select few who will start complaining that they are not ranked in the top 100, not scheduling better opponents, not in the BE, can't time warp back to the 1950s, etc.) Personally, I think that it is good to see HC playing well. Strong teams at HC, Lehigh, and Bucknell make for a fun PL.
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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12-13-18 04:40 PM - Post#269059
Holy Cross AD Nathan Pine reportedly taking AD job at Air Force. Isn't that a step up, and hasn't Holy Cross been generally subpar in the Patriot League? https://twitter.com/jentandg/status/10733 111303811... |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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12-13-18 04:59 PM - Post#269060
BRW, I would consider that a big step up. Air Force has to have a MUCH larger athletic budget. I wonder if Nathan Pine has a military background. As you know well, the military loves to hire their own.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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12-13-18 05:02 PM - Post#269062
I answered by own question. As per Wikipedia, "Pine spent four years at the United States Military Academy from 2005-2008, where he managed all business initiatives for Army and oversight of the external operations areas for athletics." While not being in the military, Pine has worked for the military in the past. As such, he probably knows the military way of doing things.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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12-14-18 12:05 PM - Post#269104
About 25% into the season, the PL is starting to tighten up and looks to be competitive. As per kenpom.com: 140. Lehigh 5-2 141. Holy Cross 6-3 164. Colgate 6-3 178. American 5-2 181. Bucknell 4-3 185. Boston U 6-4 268. Army 4-6 307. Loyola MD 3-5 309. Lafayette 2-5 320. Navy 2-5 Not much movement in the Kenpom.com rankings for the PL teams since the last time that I posted them: 146. Lehigh 6-3 (down 6) 152. Holy Cross 6-4 (down 11) 159. Colgate 4-4 (up 5) 181. Bucknell 4-3 (no change) 182. American 5-3 (down 4) 190. Boston U 6-5 (down 5) 267. Army 5-7 (up 1) 291. Loyola MD 4-7 (up 16) 312. Navy 3-6 (up 8) 316. Lafayette 2-7 (down 7)
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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12-17-18 12:25 PM - Post#269260
Pomeroy's current projections for PL records: Lehigh 12-6 Holy Cross 11-7 Colgate 11-7 Bucknell 11-7 Boston U 10-8 American 10-8 Army 7-11 Loyola 7-11 Navy 6-10 Lafayette 5-13
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res Masters Student Posts 839 |
12-17-18 01:22 PM - Post#269265
That's an overall 90-88. I sure hope there's some rounding error in there. |
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res Masters Student Posts 839 |
12-17-18 01:25 PM - Post#269266
Perhaps Navy is 6-12? |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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12-17-18 02:10 PM - Post#269276
That's an overall 90-88. I sure hope there's some rounding error in there. Edit: Now that I look closer, Navy, as you suggested, should be 6-12.
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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12-17-18 03:20 PM - Post#269291
Here are Pomeroy's probabilities of a Bison win in each PL game: Wed Jan 2 Away . Army 58% Sat Jan 5 Away . Boston University 42% Wed Jan 9 Home . Colgate 59% Sat Jan 12 Home . American 66% Mon Jan 14 Home . Holy Cross 59% Sat Jan 19 Away . Lehigh 32% Wed Jan 23 Home . Loyola MD 82% Sat Jan 26 Away . American 42% Wed Jan 30 Home . Navy 86% Sat Feb 2 Away . Lafayette 69% Wed Feb 6 Away . Loyola MD 62% Sat Feb 9 Home . Boston University 67% Mon Feb 11 Home . Lehigh 57% Sat Feb 16 Away . Holy Cross 34% Tue Feb 19 Away . Colgate 34% Sun Feb 24 Home . Lafayette 87% Wed Feb 27 Away . Navy 66% Sat Mar 2 Home . Army 80%
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
12-17-18 08:24 PM - Post#269322
Up to #227 in the new NET rankings. Colgate is tops in the PL at #137 followed closely by HC at #139. https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-m en/d1/nc... |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
12-19-18 05:23 PM - Post#269484
American lost to 1-9 Mt St Mary's last night at home. That's going to drop their ranking quite a bit. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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12-19-18 05:56 PM - Post#269485
American was missing the starting center Mark Gasparini, who had strep throat, but that’s no excuse to lose to a team that had exactly 0 wins this year against D1 competition.
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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12-24-18 01:14 PM - Post#270035
As we approach the PL portion of the schedule, here is how each PL team ranks in terms of the strength of its OOC schedule: 72 . Bucknell 188 . Holy Cross 193 . Navy 200 . Colgate 235 . Lehigh 276 . Loyola 287 . Lafayette 291 . Army 301 . Boston U 349 . American Not unexpectedly, Bucknell's SOS is very good. American, otoh, is in the nation's bottom three. Last year, the Bison SOS was #31, which I believe is the strongest it has ever been, and in 2005-06 they ranked #32.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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12-24-18 03:26 PM - Post#270048
I have really enjoyed this year's OOC schedule. I feel that it has been a good mix of high ranking Power Conference and quality mid-major teams. Other than a couple of disappointing games, the Bison have played surprisingly well. They will be ready for the PL season. GO Bison!
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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12-27-18 02:30 PM - Post#270189
Does Lehigh have a new board? The one that I have visited for years has a server error message: http://www.lehighsportsforum.com/forums/forum/lehi... Internal Server Error
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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12-27-18 02:50 PM - Post#270190
Does Lehigh have a new board? The one that I have visited for years has a server error message: http://www.lehighsportsforum.com/forums/forum/lehi... Internal Server Error Try this link: https://www.lehighsportsforum.com/viewforum.php?f=... Very little activity except for discussion about their football coaching situation.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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12-27-18 03:13 PM - Post#270192
137, thank you. With the PL regular season about to start, the PL teams have a combined record of 57-58 as per patriotleague.org and 6 teams at 0.500 or better. I was wondering: 1. Has the PL ever had an overall winning OOC record, and 2. Have 6 or more teams ever had 0.500 or better records? http://www.patriotleague.org/standings.aspx?path=m...
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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12-27-18 05:05 PM - Post#270196
137, thank you. With the PL regular season about to start, the PL teams have a combined record of 57-58 as per patriotleague.org and 6 teams at 0.500 or better. I was wondering: 1. Has the PL ever had an overall winning OOC record, and 2. Have 6 or more teams ever had 0.500 or better records? http://www.patriotleague.org/standings.aspx?path=m... I think the high point in terms of wins and losses came in 2007-08 when the league finished five games over .500 (six if you don't count the NCAA tournament). The champ that year was American and, believe it or not, the worst record (12-19) belonged to Bucknell. The key was that there were no horrible records that year. To make it more impressive, that was the year the PL temporarily banned teams from D2/D3 games. The previous year, the league finished at exactly .500 - one game above if you ignore the NCAA's. But that record is not as impressive because Lafayette, Lehigh, Army, and Navy all played multiple D2/D3 games. In no year have six PL teams had .500+ records. And when the league had only eight teams, I am pretty sure that there was no year with five teams at .500+. One thing to keep in mind is that the OOC schedules in the last decade are generally a bit stronger than they were prior to that.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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12-27-18 07:16 PM - Post#270200
137, thank you! If you aren't a sports reporter or an AD, you should be. So, it sounds like the PL is having a pretty good season so far. Its gonna be a battle.
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HoleinOne Masters Student Posts 596 |
12-27-18 09:50 PM - Post#270214
If you read the HC Crossports blog, few alumni appear to believe he is doing a positive job. Particularly regarding the biggest sports, football and basketball, few positive comments. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
12-28-18 11:50 AM - Post#270249
137, thank you. With the PL regular season about to start, the PL teams have a combined record of 57-58 as per patriotleague.org and 6 teams at 0.500 or better. I was wondering: 1. Has the PL ever had an overall winning OOC record, and 2. Have 6 or more teams ever had 0.500 or better records? http://www.patriotleague.org/standings.aspx?path=m... Six PL teams still have one OOC game to play including some very tough ones. 12/28 Loyola @ NC State 12/29 Colgate @ Pitt AU @ GW 12/30 Lehigh @ WVU HC @ Iona Navy @ Cornell |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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12-29-18 01:29 PM - Post#270292
Over at The Athletic*, KenPom provides his computer's most probable regular season conference champs. Here's his output for the Patriot League, which he ranks as the sixth most-up-for-grabs conference out of 32: Lehigh: 40% Bucknell: 30% Colgate: 28% Holy Cross: 22% He notes that last year, his system's top picks were correct in 15 of the 32 races: "After all, we're not predicting with absolute certainty, but assigning probabilities. There's a limit to what we can predict at the end of December." *The Athletic is a subscription site, but boy is it nice to have no ads at all and no auto-play videos. |
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atlantabison PhD Student Posts 1835 |
12-29-18 04:08 PM - Post#270340
120% chance that one of those four will win it?
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MrPhillie Postdoc Posts 2757
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12-29-18 04:12 PM - Post#270344
I do enjoy The Athletic. And it really is quite a reasonable cost. |
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res Masters Student Posts 839 |
12-29-18 04:16 PM - Post#270347
Win or share it. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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12-29-18 04:18 PM - Post#270350
120% chance that one of those four will win it? Just as a guess, maybe he includes the chance of a team being a co-champ. In those cases, two or more teams could each be champion, which would create an overall probability of well over 100%.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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12-30-18 12:30 PM - Post#270468
As we approach the PL portion of the schedule, here is how each PL team ranks in terms of the strength of its OOC schedule: 72 . Bucknell 188 . Holy Cross 193 . Navy 200 . Colgate 235 . Lehigh 276 . Loyola 287 . Lafayette 291 . Army 301 . Boston U 349 . American Not unexpectedly, Bucknell's SOS is very good. American, otoh, is in the nation's bottom three. Last year, the Bison SOS was #31, which I believe is the strongest it has ever been, and in 2005-06 they ranked #32. This site ranks Bucknell's OOC SOS at #62. It is interesting to see some power conference schools in the 100's. https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/ranki ...
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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12-30-18 03:13 PM - Post#270475
Lehigh at West Virginia webcast (2 ET tip Sunday) https://wvusports.com/watch/?Live=2453& type=Li... |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
12-30-18 05:12 PM - Post#270488
WVU pulls away late to win by 10, 78-68. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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12-30-18 05:40 PM - Post#270492
Good result by Lehigh - but not as good as it might sound. This is not the WVU team of 2016-17 that the Bison took to the wire in the NCAA. That team was ranked #6 nationally (Pomeroy). And it's not the 2017-18 WVU team that ended up ranked #12. This year's WVU team is ranked #50 and lost to URI by 13 points a week before the Bison beat URI. WVU was a 12-point favorite over LU. Lehigh has been a poor rebounding team all year, and today it cost them. They were outrebounded by WVU 52-25. LU got only 50% of defensive rebounds and only 9% of offensive boards. Otoh, LU entered the game leading the nation in 3-point shooting, and they shot 43% today. When they hit close to 45% on threes, they are very tough.
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12-30-18 05:55 PM - Post#270493
With all of the OOC games now complete, here is how the PL OOC schedules ranked (Pomeroy): 77 Bucknell 160 Colgate 176 Lehigh 184 Holy Cross 188 Navy 203 Loyola 280 Army 287 Lafayette 309 Boston 347 American
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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12-30-18 10:18 PM - Post#270530
Pomeroy's current projections for PL records: Lehigh 12-6 Holy Cross 11-7 Colgate 11-7 Bucknell 11-7 Boston U 10-8 American 10-8 Army 7-11 Loyola 7-11 Navy 6-12 Lafayette 5-13 Updated W-L projections for PL games from Pomeroy (carried out to one decimal): Lehigh 12.2 wins Bucknell 11.7 wins Colgate 11.5 Holy Cross 11.5 American 9.7 Boston 9.2 Army 7.1 Loyola 6.4 Navy 5.4 Lafayette 5.4 wins
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01-01-19 07:56 PM - Post#270777
Hopefully trends mean something. Here are the Pomeroy rankings for each team at the start of December, followed by the ranking at the end of the month. The Bison moved up 66 spots, far better than any other team: Bucknell 218 to 152; +66 (improvement) Colgate 182 to 155; +27 Loyola 310 to 293 +17 Holy Cross 156 to 153 ; +3 Navy 317 to 316; +1 Lehigh 141 to 141; unchanged Army 271 to 276; -5 Lafayette 307 to 315; -8 Boston 205 to 215; -10 American 184 to 205; -21
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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01-03-19 12:19 AM - Post#270941
In other PL games tonight: - Lehigh nipped Lafayette in Stabler, aided by several questionable calls in the final minutes. Andree had 23 points, and LU played half the game with no center in the lineup. - American won at home over Boston U by 12 points behind 30 points by Sa'ed Nelson. Both teams shot poorly from behind the arc, but burned it up on twos. Boston hit 25-39 (64%), but was outdone by AU's 28-37 (76%).
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
01-03-19 09:36 PM - Post#271038
Navy up 5 on Colgate with 3 minutes to play. |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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01-03-19 09:45 PM - Post#271039
Navy up 5 on Colgate with 3 minutes to play. Navy won by 6 (72-66). Crazy PL this year! http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/game?g...
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
01-03-19 09:45 PM - Post#271040
Navy up 5 on Colgate with 3 minutes to play. Navy wins 72-66. |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
01-06-19 03:52 PM - Post#271542
Navy hit buzzer beater two to top HC 50-48, in a game that while close throughout, was frankly like watching paint dry. So Navy is 2-0, having beaten two “contenders.†Who’da thunk?†|
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Bucknellbisonfan21 Masters Student Posts 548
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01-06-19 05:35 PM - Post#271551
Home teams are 8-2 thus far. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
01-06-19 07:18 PM - Post#271562
American led most of the way at Colgate, but Colgate came back in the last minute to win. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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01-06-19 07:57 PM - Post#271570
Current standings: Lehigh . 2-0 Navy . . 2-0 Holy Cross 1-1 Colgate . 1-1 American 1-1 Boston U 1-1 Bucknell 1-1 Army WP 1-1 Loyola MD 0-2 Lafayette 0-2 - - - - - 1. The two undefeated teams (Lehigh and Navy) both played both games at home, as did Army. 2. Lehigh played the two bottom-feeders. Navy, otoh, upset two contenders. 3. Even after their two upset home wins, Navy is still ranked as the second weakest PL team by various models. 4. Three teams have played both games on the road: Bucknell, Holy Cross, and Lafayette. HC played two of the league's three lowest-rated teams. 5. If nothing else, the Bison have now completed their worst bus ride, plus their fourth worst.
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
01-06-19 08:52 PM - Post#271574
Unfortunately, we still have mid-week road trips to Loyola, Colgate, and Navy in February after classes start. At least we get three straight home games now, though none are going to be easy. |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
01-06-19 09:11 PM - Post#271578
Those games vs ‘gate, AU, and HC are games we cannot afford to lose at home. Big winner of the opening week was Navy. Anybody going into Annapolis thinking it will be easy pickings is going to lose. Always a tough place to play. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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01-07-19 09:54 AM - Post#271602
In the "glass half full" department, here is a complete list of road wins in the PL thus far: - Bucknell (over Army) - Holy Cross (over Loyola) Even in leagues like the PL, it is tough to win on the road, especially this year when the league has more balance. Home teams are 8-2 thus far.
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BisonFan4 Junior Posts 211 |
01-12-19 06:48 PM - Post#272339
Colgate beats Lehigh 91-78 |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
01-12-19 07:25 PM - Post#272342
Bucknell and Lehigh tied for 1st at 3-1. Six teams at 2-2. |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
01-12-19 10:01 PM - Post#272392
So here’s the thing. We are 3-1. BUT, we are two one point wins away from 1-3. Our 3 league wins are by a total of 5 points. I was not a believer in American, but I am becoming one. Their losses on the road to Colgate and us actually impress me more than their wins. How do you feel about going into Bender after beating AU by 1 in Sojka? In a game that we essentially trailed throughout until the last few minutes, a game in which we could not make a 3 for most of the first 35 minutes, missed at least two slam dunks, missed too damn many free throws, two of which were front ends of 1 & 1’s with under :30 while leading by 1. Can you do that and deserve to win? Yet in the last 5 minutes our star 5 man hits two threes and our defense refuses to allow Nelson to take control down the stretch, in fact shutting him out over the last 8 or so minutes. Good teams do not keep getting into those situations, but bad teams don’t get out of them. I can’t figure out which we are right now. |
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Bison1999 Junior Posts 227 |
01-12-19 10:28 PM - Post#272402
So here’s the thing. We are 3-1. BUT, we are two one point wins away from 1-3. Our 3 league wins are by a total of 5 points. I was not a believer in American, but I am becoming one. Their losses on the road to Colgate and us actually impress me more than their wins. How do you feel about going into Bender after beating AU by 1 in Sojka? In a game that we essentially trailed throughout until the last few minutes, a game in which we could not make a 3 for most of the first 35 minutes, missed at least two slam dunks, missed too damn many free throws, two of which were front ends of 1 & 1’s with under :30 while leading by 1. Can you do that and deserve to win? Yet in the last 5 minutes our star 5 man hits two threes and our defense refuses to allow Nelson to take control down the stretch, in fact shutting him out over the last 8 or so minutes. Good teams do not keep getting into those situations, but bad teams don’t get out of them. I can’t figure out which we are right now. I'm looking at a glass half full. Though the Bison were playing catch-up for most of the game, they played a much better first half defense than we've seen in league play so far. Yes, 3 point shooting was terrible but the Bison were 2 or 3 made 3s (still below their average) from a) leading at half-time and/or b) putting the end game far more out of reach. I feel very good about the future when they go back on the road. But 1 game at a time: Monday's a statement game. Can they contain Floyd and/or neutralize his backdoors? BostonU killed the Bison with a similar schema last time. I'm eager to see what the fellas have learned (especially Moore, who's more-and-more coming into his own). Go Bison! |
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raymondbucknell Junior Posts 295 |
01-13-19 01:13 AM - Post#272414
We are finding ways to win. Let’s consider the glass half full. Think about the talent we lost last year and a slew of younger but very talented players trying to get their bearings. I’ll take 3-1 for sure. |
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NavyVoice Freshman Posts 38 |
01-14-19 09:21 AM - Post#272515
It is as competitive as Ive seen the league in a while... Monday road teams tend to be behind the eight-ball in these Monday games... The other plus, you usually get upgrade in Zebras for these Monday games... Army and Navy are both back in class now.. titles things in favor of other clubs just sleeping and practicing now.. |
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01-14-19 10:41 AM - Post#272532
Army and Navy are both back in class now.. titles things in favor of other clubs just sleeping and practicing now.. FWIW Bucknell players are also back in class.
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Paulie777 PhD Student Posts 1767 |
01-14-19 11:43 AM - Post#272541
Army and Navy are both back in class now.. titles things in favor of other clubs just sleeping and practicing now.. FWIW Bucknell players are also back in class. Did you mean "Titles and other things are in favor of other clubs" or Titles swing in favor of other clubs"? I guess you are trying to say clubs other than the military academies have an advantage when it comes to patriot league titles because the military academies are up at the crack of dawn doing their stuff when the students from other schools are sleeping in and have no other responsibilities and just go to practice well rested? I'm not buying it. Army had a 24 point lead on Bucknell at halftime and couldn't muster up a plan to hold them off second half and take the game. Thats great if you are a Bucknell fan but slightly disconcerting if one is scrutinizing the way West Point is going to choose how to hold the lead and stave Bucknell off. They did neither. I think the Military Academies have a lot on their plate right now with the state off affairs and really a government shutdown. I for one appreciate them and the universities all have your back with strong ROTC programs and the country has your back too in these tough times. |
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atlantabison PhD Student Posts 1835 |
01-14-19 12:22 PM - Post#272545
Army and Navy are both back in class now.. titles things in favor of other clubs just sleeping and practicing now.. FWIW Bucknell players are also back in class. Did you mean "Titles and other things are in favor of other clubs" or Titles swing in favor of other clubs"? I guess you are trying to say clubs other than the military academies have an advantage when it comes to patriot league titles because the military academies are up at the crack of dawn doing their stuff when the students from other schools are sleeping in and have no other responsibilities and just go to practice well rested? I'm not buying it. Army had a 24 point lead on Bucknell at halftime and couldn't muster up a plan to hold them off second half and take the game. Thats great if you are a Bucknell fan but slightly disconcerting if one is scrutinizing the way West Point is going to choose how to hold the lead and stave Bucknell off. They did neither. I think the Military Academies have a lot on their plate right now with the state off affairs and really a government shutdown. I for one appreciate them and the universities all have your back with strong ROTC programs and the country has your back too in these tough times. More likely a simple typo of "tilts" with a bad auto correct.
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Paulie777 PhD Student Posts 1767 |
01-14-19 01:38 PM - Post#272556
Army and Navy are both back in class now.. titles things in favor of other clubs just sleeping and practicing now.. FWIW Bucknell players are also back in class. Did you mean "Titles and other things are in favor of other clubs" or Titles swing in favor of other clubs"? I guess you are trying to say clubs other than the military academies have an advantage when it comes to patriot league titles because the military academies are up at the crack of dawn doing their stuff when the students from other schools are sleeping in and have no other responsibilities and just go to practice well rested? I'm not buying it. Army had a 24 point lead on Bucknell at halftime and couldn't muster up a plan to hold them off second half and take the game. Thats great if you are a Bucknell fan but slightly disconcerting if one is scrutinizing the way West Point is going to choose how to hold the lead and stave Bucknell off. They did neither. I think the Military Academies have a lot on their plate right now with the state off affairs and really a government shutdown. I for one appreciate them and the universities all have your back with strong ROTC programs and the country has your back too in these tough times. More likely a simple typo of "tilts" with a bad auto correct. Oh yeah, tilts. I see it now. |
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NavyVoice Freshman Posts 38 |
01-15-19 09:19 AM - Post#272640
HAHAH Yes TILTS!!! Monday road team goes down again... I know some schools dont go back until the 22nd.. great chance for teams to practice with no distractions..lot of individual development can take place.. |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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01-15-19 09:13 PM - Post#272721
All is right again. Kenpom.com has Bucknell back on top of the PL: 145. Bucknell 151. Lehigh 153. Colgate 175. Holy Cross 189. American
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
01-15-19 09:21 PM - Post#272722
All is right again. Kenpom.com has Bucknell back on top of the PL: 145. Bucknell 151. Lehigh 153. Colgate 175. Holy Cross 189. American American @ Lehigh will be interesting tomorrow. |
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BisonFan4 Junior Posts 211 |
01-15-19 09:31 PM - Post#272724
I'd rather us play Lehigh after a win tomorrow night than coming off of consecutive conference losses. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
01-16-19 09:26 PM - Post#272799
Army up 15 on Colgate with 9:00 to play. |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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01-16-19 10:52 PM - Post#272808
What a strange and competitive season! Lehigh beat American 83-76 Army beat Colgate 91-81 Loyola beat Boston U 81-73 OT Navy beat Lafayette 85-77
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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01-17-19 12:58 AM - Post#272812
Current Standings: Bucknell 4-1 Lehigh 4-1 Army 3-2 Navy 3-2 American 2-3 Boston U 2-3 Colgate 2-3 Holy Cross 2-3 Loyola 2-3 Lafayette 1-4 Pomeroy Projected Finish: Bucknell 13-5 Lehigh 12-6 Colgate 10-8 Holy Cross 10-8 Anerican 10-8 Boston U 8-10 Army 8-10 Navy 7-11 Loyola 6-12 Lafayette 5-13 Note: Records don't sum to .500 due to rounding.
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BisonFan4 Junior Posts 211 |
01-17-19 01:28 AM - Post#272813
Who would've thought Army & Navy would be tired for 2nd after 5 conference games? |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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01-17-19 01:38 AM - Post#272814
Yes, I don't think anyone expected that. But, believe it or not, the two teams were just as good last year through five games - both being 3-2. After beating Navy in Game 6, Army was 4-2 last year. Ended at 6-12 after going 2-10 the rest of the year.
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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01-19-19 03:29 PM - Post#273015
Resurgent Loyola wins at Holy Cross in OT on this last-second drive for third straight league victory: https://twitter.com/loyolambb/status/1086 700219352... |
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01-19-19 03:44 PM - Post#273020
Resurgent Loyola wins at Holy Cross in OT on this last-second drive for third straight league victory: https://twitter.com/loyolambb/status/1086 700219352... Yes, a handful of posters on Crossports jumping off the bandwagon; even more jumping off the 10th floor... |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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01-19-19 05:09 PM - Post#273050
And the only reason it's only a handful is that others had jumped after the game in Lewisburg on Monday.
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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01-19-19 06:39 PM - Post#273079
Current Standings: Bucknell 5-1 Lehigh 4-2 Army 4-2 Colgate 3-3 Loyola MD 3-3 Navy 3-3 Holy Cross 2-4 American 2-4 Boston University 2-4 Lafayette 2-4 Pomeroy projections for the full PL schedule: Bucknell 13-5 Lehigh 12-6 Colgate 11-7 Army 9-9 Holy Cross 9-9 American 8-10 Loyola MD 7-11 Navy 7-11 Boston University 7-11 Lafayette 6-12 Boston U's stock has fallen precipitously after a loss at Loyola the other night, followed by a 21-point home loss today to Colgate. I'm not sure what is wrong with them, but even with their young roster, there is too much talent to be losing by that sort of margin. Btw, Walter Whyte - who may have been their second best player - is apparently out for the year with a serious bone bruise. Back in early November, he was supposed to be back for PL play, but that is not happening.
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crd012 Junior Posts 262 |
01-19-19 07:54 PM - Post#273108
Projected to go 8-4 the rest of the way. I hope not. Nothing wrong with 13-5, but beating Lehigh today I thought would increase or win projection. The game today had to be our worst projected probability to win. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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01-19-19 09:42 PM - Post#273127
Rounding makes it look worse. Prior to the LU game, Pomeroy projected BU to end up with 12.76 wins. Now he projects 13.31. So they advanced by .55 of a win, but rounding makes both the projections end up as 13.
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
01-20-19 09:20 AM - Post#273152
Current Pomeroy: 145 Bucknell 146 Colgate 149 Lehigh 184 Holy Cross 197 American |
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Bucknellbisonfan21 Masters Student Posts 548
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01-20-19 02:09 PM - Post#273167
I was looking through stats today for the league and was surprised to realize that there aren’t any freshman this year that are averaging double digit points for the season. The leading freshman scorer is John Carter Jr, who is averaging 7.3 ppg for Navy. I don’t know how that compares to freshmen classes of the past but that seems low to me for the leading scorer. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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01-20-19 02:15 PM - Post#273170
Due to weather, Monday's American at Boston University game has been moved to Wednesday at 5pm. The early tip time reflects that the move now makes it a men/women double-header. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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01-20-19 02:37 PM - Post#273174
The switch gives American more time to recover from yesterday, but less time ahead of Bucknell's visit next Saturday. I wonder if the American - Boston University game will still be aired on CBS Sports Network. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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01-21-19 04:48 PM - Post#273261
Is the league still using RPI for breaking ties when seeding the league tournament? The Bison overtook Lehigh over the weekend. RPI 110 Bucknell 116 Lehigh 140 Colgate 163 Holy Cross 231 Navy 243 Loyola 251 Boston University 252 Army 285 American 307 Lafayette NCAA NET Ranking 147 Colgate 149 Lehigh 163 Bucknell 191 Holy Cross 199 American 236 Boston University 250 Army 284 Lafayette 290 Loyola 294 Navy Pomeroy 144 Bucknell 145 Colgate 149 Lehigh 185 Holy Cross 197 American 235 Boston University 244 Army 289 Loyola 301 Lafayette 305 Navy |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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01-21-19 05:10 PM - Post#273264
According to this page, the league is still using RPI. However, it implies they will use the RPI as posted at NCAA.com, and I don't think the NCAA posts it anymore. http://www.patriotleague.org/standings.aspx?path=m... |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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01-21-19 06:08 PM - Post#273268
You have to remember that the PL staff seems to be a mediocre group that does as little work as possible. The tiebreaker you discuss actually was changed in the Men's Basketball Tournament Manual back in July to refer to the NET but they couldn't be bothered to post the correct rules to the tiebreaker displayed on the basketball page of the website, which you have linked. Here is the correct final tiebreaker: " If a tie still exists, the League office will use the NET according to the NCAA report published on the day (or the next day that a report is available) following the final regularâ€season League game to determine the higherâ€seeded team. (Note: If a game must be postponed for any reason, the first NCAA NET calculated following the conclusion of that game will be used.) The team with the higher RPI will receive the higher seed and the opportunity to host the Tournament final (should the team advance to the Championship game) [July 2018]" https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/patriotleag... Note that they couldn't even update a simple thing like this correctly, as they still refer (incorrectly) to RPI in the last sentence. I know you know that the RPI/NET tiebreaker is a "last resort" tiebreaker that is used only if the first two tiebreakers don't work. The first is head-to-head results. The second is each tied team's record against the third place team, then fourth place team, etc.
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DrBison Junior Posts 244 |
01-21-19 06:25 PM - Post#273270
Can someone explain how the Bison can be 3rd in the NET ranking? With our ooc schedule, being in first place, and having defeated the teams above us, doesn’t make sense! |
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BisonFan4 Junior Posts 211 |
01-21-19 06:50 PM - Post#273275
I don't think the NET ranking makes much sense |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
01-21-19 07:12 PM - Post#273279
The home losses to Canisius, Fairfield, and Northeastern killed us in the NET ranking, and probably have locked us into a 16 seed if we get to the dance. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
01-21-19 07:41 PM - Post#273282
The home losses to Canisius, Fairfield, and Northeastern killed us in the NET ranking, and probably have locked us into a 16 seed if we get to the dance. Fairfield yes. Canisius and Northeastern not so much. Both are coming around and are 4-2 and 5-2 in league play. Monmouth is also 5-2, a pleasant surprise. OTOH OSU is 2-4 and TCU 2-3. The loss to Boston is probably bigger since they've gone into a tailspin lately. |
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01-21-19 08:53 PM - Post#273294
In addition to home, away or neutral, the NET ranking also factors in the scoring margin (but only up to 10 points, which seems too narrow.) Here's the current NET rankings for Bucknell's nonconference opponents, and how we fared against them: 182 at St Bonaventure: Won by 3 270 Fairfield: Lost by 2 258 Canisius: Lost by 9 70 at Vermont: Won by 8 102 Northeastern: Lost by 18 279 Monmouth: Won by 22 276 at La Salle: Won by 13 39 at Ohio State: Lost by 2 49 at Saint Mary's: Lost by 29 128 *Rhode Island: Won by 2 31 *TCU: Lost by 17 150 *UNLV: Won by 25 *Neutral site games There's more to NET than the factors mentioned above, such as net efficiency, which is the difference between offensive and defensive efficiency. https://usathoopshype.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/... https://www.si.com/college-basketball/20 18/11/03/c... |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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01-21-19 11:00 PM - Post#273304
I don't think the NET ranking makes much sense Yes, they are not great at all. Nor was the RPI. Pomeroy and similar rankings are much more useful. Having said that, we need to remember that in the 28 years of PL basketball, only once has the RPI been used to decide a men's basketball tie. And also only once for the women. Those were both cases of two unbelievably dominant teams: 2007 men - Bucknell and Holy Cross, 2016 women - Bucknell and Army. I doubt it will be used this year.
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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01-22-19 12:02 AM - Post#273311
Interestingly two of the three MAAC teams the Bison played are in the league's top three. Monmouth, with a 5-2 record, is in 2nd place, trailing only Rider, who is the class of the league. And Canisius is in 3rd with a 4-2 record. Unfortunately for the Bison PER/RPI, this is the worst year for the MAAC in a couple of decades.
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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01-22-19 01:44 AM - Post#273318
If you'd like to see Bucknell's current resume per its NCAA "team sheet," go to the 163rd page here: https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%2 0Libra... |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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01-22-19 01:57 AM - Post#273319
Loyola's Andrew Kostecka named Lou Henson national player of the week: http://www.louhensonaward.com/weekly.html |
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A Western Bison Sophomore Posts 179 |
01-22-19 01:35 PM - Post#273344
That's some serious nerd food there, BRW. |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
01-24-19 10:12 AM - Post#273449
Well, anything can happen over the next 11 games, but it seems the list of “contenders†and “also tans†is due for a revision a little more than 1/3 through the PL schedule. Right now the Bison, LU, and Army seem real. Boston and HC look like pretenders ( though Boston sure looked good vs us). And imo Loyola, AU, and possibly Navy could sneak in. Less so Mavy then the other too. Funny thing is that 5 of our wins, could with very little stretch of the imagination been losses (glass half empty), but they were not, and I think there is a reason for that ( glass half full). Our guys know how to win. Never before has the expression 3 (4?) games in March been more true. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
01-24-19 10:54 AM - Post#273453
Well, anything can happen over the next 11 games, but it seems the list of “contenders†and “also tans†is due for a revision a little more than 1/3 through the PL schedule. Right now the Bison, LU, and Army seem real. Boston and HC look like pretenders ( though Boston sure looked good vs us). And imo Loyola, AU, and possibly Navy could sneak in. Less so Mavy then the other too. Funny thing is that 5 of our wins, could with very little stretch of the imagination been losses (glass half empty), but they were not, and I think there is a reason for that ( glass half full). Our guys know how to win. Never before has the expression 3 (4?) games in March been more true. Totally agree. As things stand right now, there is not going to be a clear cut favorite heading into the playoffs. Despite their W-L record, Bucknell and Lehigh are vulnerable. Army and Loyola are wild cards. I'd include HC in that category too despite their record. As Coach Davis always says, "we can beat anybody or can lose to anybody." |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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01-24-19 11:08 AM - Post#273455
Never before has the expression 3 (4?) games in March been more true. Unfortunately Bucknell students are on spring break for the tournament this year.
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
01-24-19 12:46 PM - Post#273460
Well, anything can happen over the next 11 games, but it seems the list of “contenders†and “also tans†is due for a revision a little more than 1/3 through the PL schedule. Right now the Bison, LU, and Army seem real. Boston and HC look like pretenders ( though Boston sure looked good vs us). And imo Loyola, AU, and possibly Navy could sneak in. Less so Mavy then the other too. Funny thing is that 5 of our wins, could with very little stretch of the imagination been losses (glass half empty), but they were not, and I think there is a reason for that ( glass half full). Our guys know how to win. Never before has the expression 3 (4?) games in March been more true. Omission of Colgate was not intentional. Obviously they are solidly in the mix. And of course it is Navy not Mavy, and two not too. |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
01-24-19 12:48 PM - Post#273461
The fire Carmody movement is in full swing on Crossports. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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01-24-19 12:59 PM - Post#273462
Omission of Colgate was not intentional. Ken Pomeroy has the Raiders on top 144 Colgate 148 Bucknell 149 Lehigh 194 American 196 Holy Cross 228 Army 243 BU 284 Loyola 291 Lafayette 309 Navy |
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01-24-19 01:55 PM - Post#273465
Unfortunately Bucknell students are on spring break for the tournament this year. For the semifinal and final. In rough order of current standings, here's when the league students are on break: Bucknell: Semifinal and final Lehigh: Semifinal and final Army: Semifinal and final Colgate: Semifinal and final American: Semifinal and final Loyola: First round and quarterfinal (return on semifinal Sunday) Navy: Semifinal and final Holy Cross: First round and quarterfinal (return on semifinal Sunday) Boston University: Semifinal and final Lafayette: In school for entire tournament First Round: Tuesday March 5 Quarterfinal: Thursday March 7 Semifinal: Sunday March 10 Final: Wednesday March 13 |
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crd012 Junior Posts 262 |
01-24-19 03:12 PM - Post#273469
That's a shame. When the students actually do show up it does provide a real home advantage unlike the other schools in the PL. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-02-19 02:29 PM - Post#274760
Army up 32-15 on Lehigh midway through the 1st half. |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
02-02-19 03:56 PM - Post#274766
Army blows another big lead (17) and loses to Lehigh 75-70. |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
02-02-19 04:00 PM - Post#274767
Boston wins at Colgate. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-02-19 05:20 PM - Post#274784
Army blows another big lead (17) and loses to Lehigh 75-70. Army led 55-37 with 13:30 left
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-04-19 04:46 PM - Post#275047
Colgate takes on Lehigh on CBS SN tonight at 7 PM. Jordan Cohen has scored 83 points in his last three games for LU. His emergence as a major scoring threat makes their offense that much more dangerous. He is 9-13 on threes over that period, and 23-29 on twos. And James Karnik has hit double figures in each of his last seven games for them at the center position. Shooting 41-60 during that time period. I think LU has the top offensive weapons in the PL by a very wider margin.
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-04-19 07:29 PM - Post#275066
Tough stretch coming up with 3 games in 5 days - @Loyola Wed, Boston on Sat, and Lehigh Monday. Either our shooting will need to pick up or there's fall off for us to have a chance. I don't know that we can give up 83 points again and expect to win. The wild card is whether Sotos will be back and how effective he will be. Funk has been great, but other guys need to step up these next three games. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-04-19 08:26 PM - Post#275071
Stabler crowd seems even worse than usual. Really quiet. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-04-19 08:35 PM - Post#275074
Stabler crowd seems even worse than usual. Really quiet. It's amazing. TV game, strong opponent, LU battling for 1st place. And no-one shows up. Many high schools draw far better than does LU.
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-04-19 08:36 PM - Post#275075
As usual the CBSSN announcing team is totally unprepared. Game is better on mute.
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-04-19 08:40 PM - Post#275076
Lehigh down big once again. They're playing like Bucknell lately. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-04-19 08:50 PM - Post#275077
Lehigh's defense is astoundingly bad. Doctor Reed's doctorate apparently was not in coaching D.
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bisonmania Masters Student Posts 920 |
02-04-19 08:56 PM - Post#275079
Up 25 and without Burns. The big transfer is having a great game! I wonder how many in the big crowd are heading home early... |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-04-19 09:00 PM - Post#275080
Lehigh's defense is astoundingly bad. Doctor Reed's doctorate apparently was not in coaching D. 13 turnovers to 1 by Colgate isn't helping either. I won't count my chickens, since we've seen our team comeback from 25+, but this is a tough hill to climb. Outscoring Colgate by 25 is going to be harder than doing it against Army. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-04-19 09:05 PM - Post#275081
Up 25 and without Burns. The big transfer is having a great game! I wonder how many in the big crowd are heading home early... If half the crowd heads home, that will mean ten or twelve cars driving away from Stabler.
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-04-19 09:36 PM - Post#275083
The fans aren't the only ones who didn't show up. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-04-19 09:37 PM - Post#275084
Mo Cassara just said “Great fans here in Bethlehem.†Ok. |
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res Masters Student Posts 839 |
02-04-19 09:40 PM - Post#275085
He never said that there were a lot of great fans here in Bethlehem. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-04-19 09:52 PM - Post#275087
He never said that there were a lot of great fans here in Bethlehem. Must have been talking football or wrestling. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-04-19 09:52 PM - Post#275088
Ivanauskas with 33. Impressive. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-04-19 09:58 PM - Post#275089
Mo Cassara just said “Great fans here in Bethlehem.†Ok. Mo also spent half the game raving about what a great coach Dr. Reed is. Mo Cassara, btw, led his Hofstra teams to a W-L record of 38-59 before he was fired. His last year, when he had his own players aboard, they were 7-25. Also had six players arrested.
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Scotty-14 Sophomore Posts 156 |
02-05-19 12:52 AM - Post#275094
Lil bit of that Dr. Reed Magic tonight |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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02-05-19 10:09 AM - Post#275099
I did not see the game, but 84-62 looks like a good old fashioned taken behind the woodshed butt woopin! Will the real Lehigh Engineers (I mean Mountainhawks.) please stand up? The stats are interesting. Shooting percentage and made threes were not that different. Rebounds are tied at 33 each. The big difference appears to be 11 steals to 3. Also, Colgate shot the ball better and more often from the FT line. BTW, Colgate is a team that I do not want to face in the PL playoffs.
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Bison54 PhD Student Posts 1800
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02-05-19 10:41 AM - Post#275100
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-05-19 11:12 AM - Post#275103
Lehigh's offense now ranks 1st in PL games and its defense is 8th, as measured by points per possession.
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-05-19 04:08 PM - Post#275129
BTW, Colgate is a team that I do not want to face in the PL playoffs. Colgate is tough to figure out (as are a few other PL teams). They lose handily to Boston at home then blow out Lehigh on the road. The playoffs look like they're going to be wild no matter who is playing. |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
02-05-19 06:00 PM - Post#275136
AU also is scary! |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-06-19 11:21 PM - Post#275297
Four wins by lower teams in the standings this week, with only the Bison escaping. Army lost at HC, AU lost at Navy, and Boston U lost at home to LC. And Colgate, of course, won easily at Lehigh Monday. Current standings: Bucknell 9-2 Lehigh 8-3 Colgate 6-5 American 6-5 Army 6-5 Navy 5-6 Holy Cross 4-7 Boston University 4-7 Loyola MD 4-7 Lafayette 3-8 And Pomeroy's projection for the final standings: Bucknell 14-4 Lehigh 12-6 Colgate 11-7 American 10-8 Army 9-9 Navy 7-11 Holy Cross 7-11 Boston University 7-11 Loyola MD 7-11 Lafayette 6-12
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atlantabison PhD Student Posts 1835 |
02-09-19 12:51 PM - Post#275653
Only problem with the Pomeroy is the two teams we lost to would be the 8 and the 4 and our two first rounds matchups.
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
02-09-19 11:05 PM - Post#275760
Not sure that I would not rather face a team that we’d already lost to, than to have to beat someone three times. In all likelihood, if we reach the final, we will have encountered both situations. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-10-19 01:05 PM - Post#275799
Holy Cross at Lafayette today: Noon on CBS Sports Network |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-10-19 01:32 PM - Post#275800
Any idea why Wednesday’s Boston University at Army game tips at 11am? |
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DoCtoR62 Masters Student Posts 463 |
02-10-19 02:32 PM - Post#275808
Any idea why Wednesday’s Boston University at Army game tips at 11am? They are hosting local elementary and middle school field trips, similar to the community day the Bison women host in December. Not a coincidence that it precedes to road trip to Navy ... a little more time for rest. |
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BisonFan4 Junior Posts 211 |
02-12-19 09:09 AM - Post#276022
With the way this team has performed up to this point in the season after losing arguably the best senior class in conference history, Coach Davis should be by far the favorite for Coach of the Year. & Kimbal sure is making a push for POY! As much as I hate hearing Birdsong say it, I have to admit, Kimbal is kinda my hero too. 😂🤣 Seriously though, these guys have made it another fun, exciting yr to be a Bucknell fan. G🀠BISON!!! |
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MrPhillie Postdoc Posts 2757
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02-12-19 12:18 PM - Post#276046
It has been a very good year even with some ragged performances. We were able to return two starters and three players who received a ton of important playing time and another couple of guys who received valuable experience. So it wasn’t like the cupboard was bare, but still impressive how this program just continues to set the bar in the PL. |
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crd012 Junior Posts 262 |
02-12-19 12:30 PM - Post#276050
Speaking about not having a cupboard bare, I was thinking about the size of our team for next year. Are we going to have a very big team next year? Seniors: Avi (6'3) Bruce: (6'8) Robertson (6'5) Juniors: Jimmy (6'3) Meeks (6'6) Newman (6'9) Sophomore: Funk (6'5) Ellis (6'5) Spear: (6'8) Freshman: Rhodes (6'8) Timmerman (6'9) Van der Heijden (6'7) and Rice (6'3) I don't know it seems like a very big mid major team...no one under 6'3? Obviously we're recruiting guys who can shoot, as all the current Freshman seem to be able to shoot and the incoming freshman outside of Timmerman can all apparently shoot. So to me the future team seems to eventually be shaping up to be matchup problems for a lot of the PL. Am I wrong? |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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02-12-19 01:57 PM - Post#276071
Lehigh always seems to have size, and both American and HC tend to recruit size also. Other than those 3 schools, I think that Bucknell is definitely on the larger size.
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-13-19 11:59 AM - Post#276168
A reminder that there’s a matinee game today: Boston University at Army tips at 11 |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
02-13-19 01:41 PM - Post#276196
Army 71- Boston 61 final |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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02-13-19 02:09 PM - Post#276202
Army 71- Boston 61 final What happened to Boston U? They seem to have faded as the season as progressed.
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-13-19 10:15 PM - Post#276300
Lafayette just won their 3rd straight at Navy. They're not going to be a pushover the 2nd time around. Loyola rallied from 12 down to win at American. The are pesky, as we found out. If HC pulls out a win over Colgate, Boston will be alone in 10th place. BTW, I checked in on all three games and saw vast expanses of empty seats and no discernible student presence, except for the HC football team (not to reopen that can of worms). |
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Bucknellbisonfan21 Masters Student Posts 548
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02-13-19 10:24 PM - Post#276307
Loyola won with basically one front court player. 6’4†former walk-on Sam Norton has to play center for a good portion of the game. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-13-19 10:29 PM - Post#276310
Holy Cross lost to Colgate and is tied for last place with Boston University. Colgate is one game behind Lehigh |
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crd012 Junior Posts 262 |
02-13-19 11:08 PM - Post#276316
I watched the Colgate-Holy Cross game (I bet Colgate don’t judge me) and there was an important development to watch for. Late in the second half Ivanauskas turned his ankle pretty badily. Too the point that he had to be carried off the court. Now he came back in and scored a few big baskets but he could barely move. He likely got his ankle wrapped and was just playing on adrenaline. I find it unlikely that he’ll be walking tomorrow. Would be interesting to see if it affects his availability. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-13-19 11:42 PM - Post#276320
J BTW, I checked in on all three games and saw vast expanses of empty seats and no discernible student presence, except for the HC football team (not to reopen that can of worms). Other than the HC football team, there were less than 100 students present at the three games combined. As you know, only Bucknell gets a decent student turnout.
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raymondbucknell Junior Posts 295 |
02-14-19 12:07 AM - Post#276322
Some mildly surprising results tonight. All bets are off for the tournament. We can’t take any team for granted. It’s a mad jumble. |
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NavyVoice Freshman Posts 38 |
02-14-19 09:27 AM - Post#276347
Exam Week at Navy everyone hunkered down! We even had associate band members last night from local middle school!! |
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HuskyColonial PhD Student Posts 1976 |
02-14-19 09:34 AM - Post#276348
It’s our guard size that pops out to me. Jimmy has a good handle and is quick at 6’ 3â€. Eyeball test but I think he is a shortest of the “6’3†guys. Funk is going to give the PL nightmares. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-14-19 10:00 AM - Post#276351
Yesterday, Funk's brother Tommy became Army's career assist record holder...and he's still a junior. |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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02-14-19 12:27 PM - Post#276359
Yesterday, Funk's brother Tommy became Army's career assist record holder...and he's still a junior. Hopefully, our Funk will become Bucknell's career 3-point leader.
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-14-19 08:04 PM - Post#276408
I watched the Colgate-Holy Cross game (I bet Colgate don’t judge me) You don't have to justify watching and enjoying Patriot League basketball here---this isn't Crossports! |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-18-19 05:44 PM - Post#277094
Boston University at Holy Cross tonight at 7 on CBS Sports Network |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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02-19-19 12:14 PM - Post#277142
Boston University at Holy Cross tonight at 7 on CBS Sports Network Boston U defeated HC 70-60. After HC's win over Bucknell, the HC faithful must be upset about this loss. Also, losing to a team located in MA effectively eliminates their regular "we had to travel too far by bus" complaint. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/boxsco...
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NavyVoice Freshman Posts 38 |
02-20-19 10:43 AM - Post#277293
Nightmare scenario for Navy and Loyola. Game ppd til 2pm Thursday. Navy, now 6th, could be fourth by end of weekend, or 10th... Mids are at Colgate at 2pm Saturday, Loyola at BU Maybe we could just move the games to Sunday... schedule doesnt seem to matter.. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-20-19 08:56 PM - Post#277335
Army up 42-35 at Lehigh. Tommy Funk has 18 pts, 4 ast in the 1st half. Can they avoid another 2nd half collapse? |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-20-19 09:44 PM - Post#277339
Nightmare scenario for Navy and Loyola. Game ppd til 2pm Thursday. Navy, now 6th, could be fourth by end of weekend, or 10th... Mids are at Colgate at 2pm Saturday, Loyola at BU Maybe we could just move the games to Sunday... schedule doesnt seem to matter.. Sounds like a screw-up somewhere. PL games have been played in worse weather than Baltimore is having, and with much further distances for the visitor to travel. I remember when Bucknell played at Navy, as scheduled, despite three feet of snow in Annapolis in February 2010.
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Bison54 PhD Student Posts 1800
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02-20-19 09:58 PM - Post#277340
Simply the outstanding crunch time coaching of the good doctor. Lehigh wins by 10 |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-20-19 10:02 PM - Post#277341
Don't look now, Lafayette just won their 5th in a row. Came back from 5 down in the last minute. Alex Petrie with an and-1 to tie, then a circus layup to win after Nelson missed a front end. Sunday's game will not be the cake walk the first game was. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-20-19 10:10 PM - Post#277342
Lafayette is now tied for 4th in the league. The American loss, btw, could help the Bison if they end up tied with Colgate at the end.
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NavyVoice Freshman Posts 38 |
02-21-19 06:49 AM - Post#277352
A win by Navy today makes it a 4-way tie and Ryan Sakamoto's head will explode figuring out tie breaking scenarios |
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
02-24-19 06:44 PM - Post#277864
So now it is relatively simple! We win our last two and we win the league no matter what anybody else does. If we split and LU wins out we have the tie breaker against them. However, if we split and CU wins out, I believe they have the tie breaker against us. We control our own fate. LU needs to win out and us to lose two and CU to lose one. If we lose two, LU can beat us, but they lose first place to CU unless CU drops one of its last two. This is because LU dropped both games to CU. See, simple! |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-24-19 07:21 PM - Post#277869
So now it is relatively simple! We win our last two and we win the league no matter what anybody else does. If we split and LU wins out we have the tie breaker against them. However, if we split and CU wins out, I believe they have the tie breaker against us. We control our own fate. LU needs to win out and us to lose two and CU to lose one. If we lose two, LU can beat us, but they lose first place to CU unless CU drops one of its last two. This is because LU dropped both games to CU. See, simple! CU has the tiebreaker if American finishes 4th. If it's Army or Lafayette, especially if we lose to Army, it gets more complicated. CU plays HC at home and @Lafayette. Lehigh play at American and Loyola. Ours is the easiest schedule of the three on paper. Just win baby! |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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02-25-19 02:25 PM - Post#277954
With 5 teams above 0.500 this late in the season, I think that this might be the most competitive PL in a long, long time. I cannot remember having 5 teams above 0.500 going into the last week of regular season play. Any idea if there have ever been 3 or 4? SCHOOL CONF CPCT. OVERALL PCT. Bucknell * 12-4 0.750 18-10 0.643 Colgate * 11-5 0.688 19-10 0.655 Lehigh * 11-5 0.688 18-9 0.667 American 8-8 0.500 14-13 0.519 Army West Point 7-9 0.438 12-17 0.414 Lafayette 7-9 0.438 10-17 0.370 Boston U 6-10 0.375 13-16 0.448 Loyola, MD 6-10 0.375 10-19 0.345 Navy 6-10 0.375 9-18 0.333 Holy Cross 6-10 0.375 15-14 0.517 * Clinched Tournament quarterfinal home game
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NoMoney89 Freshman Posts 89 |
02-25-19 04:27 PM - Post#277959
With 5 teams above 0.500 this late in the season, I think that this might be the most competitive PL in a long, long time. I cannot remember having 5 teams above 0.500 going into the last week of regular season play. Any idea if there have ever been 3 or 4? SCHOOL CONF CPCT. OVERALL PCT. Bucknell * 12-4 0.750 18-10 0.643 Colgate * 11-5 0.688 19-10 0.655 Lehigh * 11-5 0.688 18-9 0.667 American 8-8 0.500 14-13 0.519 Army West Point 7-9 0.438 12-17 0.414 Lafayette 7-9 0.438 10-17 0.370 Boston U 6-10 0.375 13-16 0.448 Loyola, MD 6-10 0.375 10-19 0.345 Navy 6-10 0.375 9-18 0.333 Holy Cross 6-10 0.375 15-14 0.517 * Clinched Tournament quarterfinal home game as an add on question: Has there ever been a team last place in the league, above 500 overall? |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-25-19 04:43 PM - Post#277962
With 5 teams above 0.500 this late in the season, I think that this might be the most competitive PL in a long, long time. I cannot remember having 5 teams above 0.500 going into the last week of regular season play. Any idea if there have ever been 3 or 4? SCHOOL CONF CPCT. OVERALL PCT. Bucknell * 12-4 0.750 18-10 0.643 Colgate * 11-5 0.688 19-10 0.655 Lehigh * 11-5 0.688 18-9 0.667 American 8-8 0.500 14-13 0.519 Army West Point 7-9 0.438 12-17 0.414 Lafayette 7-9 0.438 10-17 0.370 Boston U 6-10 0.375 13-16 0.448 Loyola, MD 6-10 0.375 10-19 0.345 Navy 6-10 0.375 9-18 0.333 Holy Cross 6-10 0.375 15-14 0.517 * Clinched Tournament quarterfinal home game as an add on question: Has there ever been a team last place in the league, above 500 overall? Yes, in 2008 Holy Cross was 15-14 overall, but a last place 5-9 in PL play. The league that year was very competitive, with the outright champion being 10-4 and the outright last place team going 5-9. One note of interest about that season is that the bottom two seeds were HC and the Bison. In the previous year, i.e. 2007, those two teams both went 13-1 to share first place. I doubt any league has ever had two one-loss teams drop to the bottom two spots the next season.
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MrPhillie Postdoc Posts 2757
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02-25-19 08:14 PM - Post#277983
And the first place team has lost to two of the last place teams. Truly, I’m not comfortable with any game. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-25-19 11:08 PM - Post#277999
And the first place team has lost to two of the last place teams. Truly, I’m not comfortable with any game. Nor am I. Holy Cross and Boston U, who are two of the teams tied for last, both have two wins over the top three teams. And two of their four wins were on the road.
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-27-19 04:56 PM - Post#278277
Because it's the first of a men-women doubleheader, tonight's Holy Cross at Colgate game tips at 6pm. |
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Bucknellbisonfan21 Masters Student Posts 548
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 02-28-19 04:43 PM - Post#278450
Does the patriot league recognize co-champions if teams finish with the same conference record or is it only the team with the tie-breakers that is considered the regular season champion? |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-28-19 05:24 PM - Post#278453
Does the patriot league recognize co-champions if teams finish with the same conference record or is it only the team with the tie-breakers that is considered the regular season champion? Co-champs. Both 1st place teams are recognized equally, except when it comes to the seeding.
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Bison54 PhD Student Posts 1800
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02-28-19 05:32 PM - Post#278455
Is there still an NIT automatic bid for a regular season co-champ that falls in the PL tournament? If both co-champs lose, does NIT go to the higher seed? |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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02-28-19 05:33 PM - Post#278456
Is there still an NIT automatic bid for a regular season co-champ that falls in the PL tournament? If both co-champs lose, does NIT go to the higher seed? NIT guarantee only applies to the #1 seed. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-28-19 06:12 PM - Post#278462
Is there still an NIT automatic bid for a regular season co-champ that falls in the PL tournament? If both co-champs lose, does NIT go to the higher seed? NIT guarantee only applies to the #1 seed. True. As you know, that is the NIT's rule (men only). I'm sure that the PL and other midmajors wish the men's NIT would adopt the same rules as the women's NIT, where every conference is guaranteed a bid.
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crd012 Junior Posts 262 |
02-28-19 06:14 PM - Post#278464
I thought you had to be the outright regular season champ. As in if you were tied and were the number 1 seed by tiebreaker you wouldn’t qualify for an auto-bid for the NIT. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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02-28-19 06:28 PM - Post#278465
I thought you had to be the outright regular season champ. As in if you were tied and were the number 1 seed by tiebreaker you wouldn’t qualify for an auto-bid for the NIT. No, the #1 seed gets an auto-bid, tied or otherwise. As an example, look at last year's MEAC - which ended in a three-team tie. The #1 seed, Hampton, lost in the tournament final. They then got an NIT autobid, despite being a very mediocre team.
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-28-19 08:47 PM - Post#278480
I've tried to figure out the tiebreaker scenarios if Colgate and Bucknell both win and American loses to Holy Cross. But it's making my head hurt. American, Army, and either Navy or Boston would be tied for 4th. |
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MrPhillie Postdoc Posts 2757
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02-28-19 09:12 PM - Post#278485
Too bad the Bison couldn’t simply defeat the last place team and make this less important. |
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BisonFan4 Junior Posts 211 |
02-28-19 09:21 PM - Post#278489
Colgate owns the tie breaker with us regardless of any other outcomes. Our only chance at the top seed now is if Lafayette beats Colgate this weekend |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
02-28-19 09:41 PM - Post#278493
Colgate owns the tie breaker with us regardless of any other outcomes. Our only chance at the top seed now is if Lafayette beats Colgate this weekend I was afraid of that. Well, maybe Lafayette has one of those games. Stranger things have happened in the league this year. But we need to take care of Army before worrying about anything else. |
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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03-02-19 03:14 PM - Post#278871
The two remaining scenarios pending tonight's Lehigh at Loyola game. 15. Bucknell, American, Colgate, Navy and Loyola Maryland win: 1. Colgate 2. Bucknell 3. Lehigh 4. American 5. Navy 6. Army West Point 7. Lafayette 8. Boston University 9. Loyola Maryland 10. Holy Cross 16. Bucknell, American, Colgate, Navy and Lehigh win: 1. Colgate 2. Bucknell 3. Lehigh 4. American 5. Navy 6. Army West Point 7. Boston University 8. Lafayette 9. Loyola Maryland 10. Holy Cross |
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NoMoney89 Freshman Posts 89 |
03-02-19 03:37 PM - Post#278874
The two remaining scenarios pending tonight's Lehigh at Loyola game. 15. Bucknell, American, Colgate, Navy and Loyola Maryland win: 1. Colgate 2. Bucknell 3. Lehigh 4. American 5. Navy 6. Army West Point 7. Lafayette 8. Boston University 9. Loyola Maryland 10. Holy Cross 16. Bucknell, American, Colgate, Navy and Lehigh win: 1. Colgate 2. Bucknell 3. Lehigh 4. American 5. Navy 6. Army West Point 7. Boston University 8. Lafayette 9. Loyola Maryland 10. Holy Cross Do we as second seed, play the winner of the 7-10 game? or is it second highest seed left? |
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03-02-19 03:54 PM - Post#278882
Second seed plays winner of 7-10, so it will either be Boston University, Lafayette or Holy Cross. |
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BUFan PhD Student Posts 1936 
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03-02-19 04:15 PM - Post#278886
Would rather the teams on the 8-9 line for sure. But it is clear anyone can beat anyone this year. We can easily win it all or get bounced on Thursday |
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03-02-19 10:31 PM - Post#279042
With a regular season co-championship on the line, Lehigh loses to Loyola 92 - 73. |
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MrPhillie Postdoc Posts 2757
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03-02-19 10:40 PM - Post#279045
To be fair, with an outright PL championship on the line, Bucknell proceeded to lose to Holy Cross and Navy and generally did not play well outside of one game down the stretch. I’m a huge Bison fan, but I can’t see jumping on Lehigh with this. |
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03-02-19 10:56 PM - Post#279047
To be fair, with an outright PL championship on the line, Bucknell proceeded to lose to Holy Cross and Navy and generally did not play well outside of one game down the stretch. I’m a huge Bison fan, but I can’t see jumping on Lehigh with this. I wasn't jumping on Lehigh, just stating the facts and putting things into perspective: Though their tournament seed-line was locked, Lehigh definitely had a strong reason to pursue a victory. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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03-02-19 11:05 PM - Post#279049
To be fair, with an outright PL championship on the line, Bucknell proceeded to lose to Holy Cross and Navy and generally did not play well outside of one game down the stretch. I’m a huge Bison fan, but I can’t see jumping on Lehigh with this. I think it's fair to criticize them a bit. LU has had great talent in almost every year of the 12 year reign of the good doctor and yet has been champ or co-champ exactly one time - in 2010 when they had an incredibly talented roster (CJ, Marquis Hall, Zahir Carrington, Gabe Knutson, etc). Even that year, they lost a number of games down the stretch to put themselves in a position where a final week loss to a Bison team dominated by freshmen would have cost them the championship. Not only has LU only won one championship (or co-championship) in the past 12 years, they have only won two in the 29 years of PL basketball, with the other being a co-championship in 2004 when the Bison were in their first year of scholarships. Would I have rather the Bison were outright champs? Of course. But I am still proud of a co-championship in a year where they lost three 1st team All-PL players and had injury woes throughout the season. In terms of everything except seeding, their accomplishment is recognized identically with that of Colgate: same banner, same plaque, and same recognition as co-champion in the PL Record Book.
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03-02-19 11:23 PM - Post#279054
Believe it or not, Colgate cut down the nets today at Lafayette for achieving a regular season co-championship. https://twitter.com/ColgateMBB/status/110 200108312... Standards just a wee bit different than those of Bucknell.
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DrBison Junior Posts 244 |
03-02-19 11:24 PM - Post#279055
Agree 100%. The team did a fantastic job given the losses from last year. All the criticism and negativity gets old after awhile. No question, we may not be the most talented, best shooting, etc., team, but I like our chances. Remember, we’ve been here, done that in the tourney and are defending champions. The pressures on someone else to take it from us. Go Bison! |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
03-03-19 10:14 AM - Post#279103
Not to mention, Lehigh was the preseason favorite (again) and fell short (again). As for Colgate, where would they be without Ivanauskas (transfer from Northwestern) and their other transfers over the past couple of years. Langel is content to import talent rather than develop it. I'll take the Bucknell model any day. |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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03-03-19 10:21 AM - Post#279106
Believe it or not, Colgate cut down the nets today at Lafayette for achieving a regular season co-championship. https://twitter.com/ColgateMBB/status/110 200108312... Standards just a wee bit different than those of Bucknell. At first, I was surprised by this, but upon further thought, I decided, why not? Colgate hoops does not win championships all that often. So, go ahead and enjoy it. They should be proud of their accomplishment.
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03-03-19 03:45 PM - Post#279162
Believe it or not, Colgate cut down the nets today at Lafayette for achieving a regular season co-championship. https://twitter.com/ColgateMBB/status/110 200108312... Standards just a wee bit different than those of Bucknell. At first, I was surprised by this, but upon further thought, I decided, why not? Colgate hoops does not win championships all that often. So, go ahead and enjoy it. They should be proud of their accomplishment. |
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NoMoney89 Freshman Posts 89 |
03-03-19 04:29 PM - Post#279167
Believe it or not, Colgate cut down the nets today at Lafayette for achieving a regular season co-championship. https://twitter.com/ColgateMBB/status/110 200108312... Standards just a wee bit different than those of Bucknell. At first, I was surprised by this, but upon further thought, I decided, why not? Colgate hoops does not win championships all that often. So, go ahead and enjoy it. They should be proud of their accomplishment. Personally I prefer the "act like you've been there before" humility. Also I think net cutting should be reserved for the actual last game to be played in an arena for the year. now lafayette has to replace the nets for HC. Of Course they might be anyway due to the tournament. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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03-03-19 05:22 PM - Post#279178
Maybe Lafayette will cut down the nets if they beat HC on Tuesday.
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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03-03-19 05:50 PM - Post#279182
I hope Lafayette sent Colgate a bill for the nets. |
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DrBison Junior Posts 244 |
03-03-19 06:28 PM - Post#279189
I noticed in the LU - Loyola box score Andree did not play for Lehigh. Did I miss something? Injury? |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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03-03-19 07:31 PM - Post#279192
I noticed in the LU - Loyola box score Andree did not play for Lehigh. Did I miss something? Injury? An undisclosed injury, which many think is a concussion.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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03-03-19 08:47 PM - Post#279195
Believe it or not, Colgate cut down the nets today at Lafayette for achieving a regular season co-championship. https://twitter.com/ColgateMBB/status/110 200108312... Standards just a wee bit different than those of Bucknell. At first, I was surprised by this, but upon further thought, I decided, why not? Colgate hoops does not win championships all that often. So, go ahead and enjoy it. They should be proud of their accomplishment. BRW, haha, very funny. No, you couldn't be more wrong. I am against the everybody gets a trophy approach to sports. In this case, Colgate won the regular season championship, and they are the #1 seed. As such, IMO, it is their prerogative to cut down the nets or not. Given Bucknell's success in the PL, we would not have been happy if the Bison had done so, but given Colgate's lack of success, I can understand why they chose to do so. Hopefully, that will be the last time that Colgate cuts any nets for a LONG time. GO BISON!
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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03-03-19 11:03 PM - Post#279206
In this case, Colgate won the regular season championship, and they are the #1 seed. They did not "win the regular season championship." They were co-champs along with Bucknell. Both get the same spot in the Record Book and share the #1 spot in the standings.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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03-03-19 11:08 PM - Post#279208
In this case, Colgate won the regular season championship, and they are the #1 seed. They did not "win the regular season championship." They were co-champs along with Bucknell. Both get the same spot in the Record Book and share the #1 spot in the standings. Exactly! They won and so did Bucknell. So, they have the right to celebrate as they see fit.
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NoMoney89 Freshman Posts 89 |
03-04-19 01:46 PM - Post#279270
In this case, Colgate won the regular season championship, and they are the #1 seed. They did not "win the regular season championship." They were co-champs along with Bucknell. Both get the same spot in the Record Book and share the #1 spot in the standings. Exactly! They won and so did Bucknell. So, they have the right to celebrate as they see fit. No I don't think they do, especially as visitors and not the final game of their entire season. Certainly appropriate as visitors in the Tourney final, or if you're on your home court and doing something for your home fans. But regular season SHARE of the title? C'mon Man! |
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03-04-19 02:00 PM - Post#279277
OK, I can see that I am fighting a losing battle. Anyway, the good news is that we hope to all see the Bison cut down the nets in Hamilton on 03/13. GO BISON!
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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03-04-19 02:03 PM - Post#279278
OK, I can see that I am fighting a losing battle. Anyway, the good news is that we hope to all see the Bison cut down the nets in Hamilton on 03/13. GO BISON! Actually I hope to see the Bison cut down the nets in Sojka on 03/13.
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NoMoney89 Freshman Posts 89 |
03-04-19 02:08 PM - Post#279279
OK, I can see that I am fighting a losing battle. Anyway, the good news is that we hope to all see the Bison cut down the nets in Hamilton on 03/13. GO BISON! Actually I hope to see the Bison cut down the nets in Sojka on 03/13. BINGO! 
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03-04-19 03:07 PM - Post#279289
OK, I can see that I am fighting a losing battle. Anyway, the good news is that we hope to all see the Bison cut down the nets in Hamilton on 03/13. GO BISON! Actually I hope to see the Bison cut down the nets in Sojka on 03/13. Stupid me. I stand corrected!!!
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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03-05-19 08:22 PM - Post#279501
Holy Cross vs LC game is on now. Close game, although it is marred by the incompetence of the LC announcing duo. One factual error after another.
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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03-05-19 08:26 PM - Post#279503
Lafayette’s use of a recorded “ de-fense†chant is super lame. |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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03-05-19 09:40 PM - Post#279510
Do we want Lafayette or Holy Cross to win? I'd prefer Lafayette. Floyd at HC is very good on both ends.
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Bucknellbisonfan21 Masters Student Posts 548
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03-19-19 03:55 PM - Post#282104
Pat Andree is transferring from Lehigh https://twitter.com/verbalcommits/status/ 110803883... |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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03-19-19 04:21 PM - Post#282113
That had been rumored for awhile. He is graduating this year and is thus eligible to play right away as a graduate transfer. SF Caleb Bennett, who didn't play the final month of the season due to some undisclosed injury, is also transferring. He was their #1 sub most of the year. The good doctor has had a lot of transfers in the past decade. Also wing Marques Wilson did not play the final nine week of the year due to personal and/or academic issues. No idea if he is going to return. Reed appears to have another good recruiting class coming in, and he will need it to remain a first division team.
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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03-19-19 07:33 PM - Post#282144
Over the past eight or so years, Lehigh has lost the following rotation players due to transfer: Anthony D'Orazio (grad.) Miles Simelton Shane Whitfield Brandon Alston (grad?) Tyler Jenkins Matt Holba Pat Andree (grad.) Caleb Bennett
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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03-20-19 11:15 AM - Post#282204
StablerBum, who may be the most knowledgeable poster on the Lehigh board, had a very interesting post today on PL teams that have over- or underachieved. Here is the majority of the post: I compared the preseason coaches poll vs the final order of finish of every school for the past 4 seasons (i.e. if you were picked 2nd but finished 4th you would get a "-2" for that season). Some of the results were pretty surprising to me. Ranked below from biggest overachievers (total difference between poll rank vs final standing rank) to underachievers: Navy +13 Colgate +10 Bucknell +4 Army +2 Lafayette & Loyola +1 American -1 Lehigh -3 Holy Cross - 5 BU -6 - This is harsh on Bucknell as they have won or tied for each conference regular season championship - they have just been picked towards the top of the conference every year as well. So they have had very high expectations and still overachieved. - Langel has been better than I realized over the past 4 years, and DeChellis as well deserves some respect for overachievement - Lehigh was picked 1st in three of the last 4 seasons, finishing with two seconds and a third in those years - Lehigh overachieved once in those 4 seasons, picked 4th in 17-18 and finishing third. http://www.lehighsportsforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5...
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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03-20-19 02:54 PM - Post#282224
StablerBum did a very good job. It does not reflect well upon the good Doctor at Lehigh. Also, it makes me look at Ed DeChellis in a completely different way.
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StablerBum Freshman Posts 28 |
03-20-19 03:25 PM - Post#282230
Another way to look at Bucknell is that they have maximized their "achievement" by winning the regular season title each of the past four years, making their relative "overachievement" irrelevant. No other school can claim factually that they have maximized their achievement, meaning Bucknell could easily be viewed as #1 in this exercise. |
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Bison54 PhD Student Posts 1800
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03-20-19 03:29 PM - Post#282232
While it's easy to attribute these differences to coaching, I would suggest that it has more to do with stability of rosters. Navy and Colgate may have had more players develop/emerge , and BU and HC may have had the reverse occur. The others, being "off" by an average of one or less, had more stability and predictability in their rosters....no sudden developments and no major disappointments. Some attributable to coaching and recruiting, but more like turnover limited to graduation. |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
03-20-19 04:02 PM - Post#282242
Another way to look at Bucknell is that they have maximized their "achievement" by winning the regular season title each of the past four years, making their relative "overachievement" irrelevant. No other school can claim factually that they have maximized their achievement, meaning Bucknell could easily be viewed as #1 in this exercise. Good point. It's an interesting metric, but it is hard to overachieve when you are picked in the top 3 year in and year out. What is more significant is overall place and record over that period. |
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crd012 Junior Posts 262 |
03-20-19 11:37 PM - Post#282294
https://twitter.com/rgw_news/status/11085 252098317... Um what? How is this even possible? |
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Bison54 PhD Student Posts 1800
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03-21-19 07:44 AM - Post#282301
Langel fiddles while Jordan Burns? |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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03-21-19 09:11 AM - Post#282304
Taking an Uber from someplace in NY State to Columbus, OH!!! How much would that cost?
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crd012 Junior Posts 262 |
03-21-19 09:22 AM - Post#282306
I’ve been told this is fake news...damnit thats embarrassing |
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03-28-19 04:24 PM - Post#283002
Lehigh transfer Pat Andree reportedly getting interest from NC State, Wake Forest, Illinois, BC and TCU, among others. |
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03-29-19 10:08 AM - Post#283042
Colgate extends Langel through 2027 http://patriotleague.org/news/2019/3/28/mens-b aske... |
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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03-29-19 01:03 PM - Post#283065
I bet that he will jump after next season if the right offer comes along.
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BisonRoadWarrior Professor Posts 5203
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03-29-19 01:21 PM - Post#283068
I bet that he will jump after next season if the right offer comes along. It was interesting to see the University of Buffalo extend Nate Oats by five years on March 13 only to see him accept the job at Alabama on March 27. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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03-29-19 01:56 PM - Post#283077
I bet that he will jump after next season if the right offer comes along. It was interesting to see the University of Buffalo extend Nate Oats by five years on March 13 only to see him accept the job at Alabama on March 27. Very possible. He wouldn't have signed unless the buyout provisions were very reasonable. He reportedly was interested in the St. Joes job this year, and imo would have been a much better hire than Billy Lange.
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03-29-19 02:30 PM - Post#283080
Not the best look for ole 'gate: https://deadspin.com/colgate-rented-ohio-s tates-pe... |
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MrPhillie Postdoc Posts 2757
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03-29-19 05:41 PM - Post#283095
Yeah, read about that Pep Band story last week. Seems as though it is basically true, which absolutely is a bad look. |
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Bison54 PhD Student Posts 1800
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03-29-19 05:58 PM - Post#283097
IIRC the Bison pep band was not in Oklahoma City, and the Northern Iowa band volunteered to be the BU pep band. |
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Bison54 PhD Student Posts 1800
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03-29-19 06:05 PM - Post#283098
https://www.bucknell.edu/x67742 "Bison fans will recall that when Bucknell went to the NCAA Tournament in Oklahoma City in 2005, the pep band was away on spring break and the band from Northern Iowa University generously sat in for the Bison pepsters at the last minute. The Bucknell pep band returned the favor the following year when the Bison returned to the NCAA Tournament in Dallas and played Northern Iowa's fight song." |
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atlantabison PhD Student Posts 1835 |
04-02-19 09:22 AM - Post#283172
Particularly biting is the last line. It basically says in 23 years when they are back in the tournament they should have this fixed.
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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04-02-19 10:42 PM - Post#283196
There are a lot of transfers at some of the PL schools this year. Some have already been mentioned, but here is a complete list: . . Player . College . Pos. . Yr. . Ht. . Wt. . D1 HS Offers 1 . Cameron Fuller . Army . PF . SO . 6-8 . 195 . 2 . Jordan Guest . Boston U . PF . FR . 6-9 . 220 . Denver, Utah St, San Fran, Vermont, American, Lehigh, etc. 3 . Auston Evans . Lafayette . SG . SR . 6-6 . 186 . 4 . Pat Andree . Lehigh . PF . JR . 6-8 . 225 . GWU, W&M, Vermont, American, Holy Cross, etc. 5 . Caleb Bennett . Lehigh . SG . SO . 6-5 . 190 . Northern Iowa, Buffalo, UTEP, ORU, San Jose, etc. 6 . Isaiah Burnett . Navy . SG . SO . 6-5 . 180 . 7 . Kyle Marion . Navy . PG . FR . 6-1 . 177 . Towson, Army, Jacksonville 8 . Daniel Ogele . Navy . SF . SO . 6-7 . 220 . Army, No. Michigan 9 . Josiah Strong . Navy . PG . FR . 6-2 . 187 . 10 . Jaylon Terrell . Navy . SG . FR . 6-3 . 190 . - - - - - Comments: - Guest had been suspended by Boston U at the end of January and hadn't even been on the bench, so his transfer is not surprising. But it is a somewhat significant loss, as he had been playing 15-18 mpg and providing strong rebounding. Likely would have been a two-year starter. - Lehigh obviously has really been hurt, losing a key starter plus a 20 mpg soph who figured to start next year. - Navy is losing five players, including three who were in this year's rotation. Strong, Burnett, and Ogele all played about 10 mpg. Ogele actually had the highest rebound rate of Navy's rotation players, and Strong potentially was in line to take over as starting PG with the graduation of Hassan Abdullah. With DeChellis bringing in about seven recruits every year, they still won't have a depth problem - but losing three solid players, along with their top two scorers (Abdullah and Kiernan) will have Navy predicted for the bottom three once again. Not sure who will take over at PG with Strong gone, but it could be a true frosh: Sean Yoder of PA, who had an atypical offer list for a Navy signee - Vermont, Canisius, Colgate, Furman, etc.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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04-03-19 10:03 AM - Post#283207
There are a lot of transfers at some of the PL schools this year. Some have already been mentioned, but here is a complete list: . . Player . College . Pos. . Yr. . Ht. . Wt. . D1 HS Offers 1 . Cameron Fuller . Army . PF . SO . 6-8 . 195 . 2 . Jordan Guest . Boston U . PF . FR . 6-9 . 220 . Denver, Utah St, San Fran, Vermont, American, Lehigh, etc. 3 . Auston Evans . Lafayette . SG . SR . 6-6 . 186 . 4 . Pat Andree . Lehigh . PF . JR . 6-8 . 225 . GWU, W&M, Vermont, American, Holy Cross, etc. 5 . Caleb Bennett . Lehigh . SG . SO . 6-5 . 190 . Northern Iowa, Buffalo, UTEP, ORU, San Jose, etc. 6 . Isaiah Burnett . Navy . SG . SO . 6-5 . 180 . 7 . Kyle Marion . Navy . PG . FR . 6-1 . 177 . Towson, Army, Jacksonville 8 . Daniel Ogele . Navy . SF . SO . 6-7 . 220 . Army, No. Michigan 9 . Josiah Strong . Navy . PG . FR . 6-2 . 187 . 10 . Jaylon Terrell . Navy . SG . FR . 6-3 . 190 . - - - - - Comments: - Guest had been suspended by Boston U at the end of January and hadn't even been on the bench, so his transfer is not surprising. But it is a somewhat significant loss, as he had been playing 15-18 mpg and providing strong rebounding. Likely would have been a two-year starter. - Lehigh obviously has really been hurt, losing a key starter plus a 20 mpg soph who figured to start next year. - Navy is losing five players, including three who were in this year's rotation. Strong, Burnett, and Ogele all played about 10 mpg. Ogele actually had the highest rebound rate of Navy's rotation players, and Strong potentially was in line to take over as starting PG with the graduation of Hassan Abdullah. With DeChellis bringing in about seven recruits every year, they still won't have a depth problem - but losing three solid players, along with their top two scorers (Abdullah and Kiernan) will have Navy predicted for the bottom three once again. Not sure who will take over at PG with Strong gone, but it could be a true frosh: Sean Yoder of PA, who had an atypical offer list for a Navy signee - Vermont, Canisius, Colgate, Furman, etc. My older son has an Naval ROTC scholarship. Until the day that he returned for his sophomore year of college, he could have walked away without any financial commitment to the US Navy. If he quit now, he would have to either 1. Pay back over $120,000 to the Navy, or 2. enlist in the Navy for 5 years (I think). If it is the same for the Naval Academy, I do not know how the sophomore transfers can afford it. Maybe, by playing a D-1 sport, they are exempt from the monetary commitments that come with attending the Academy. Does anybody know?
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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04-03-19 11:33 AM - Post#283217
Anyone can walk away from a Service Academy during their first two years and owe nothing. Once they make the commitment for Year 3, then they have to pay back for any further education if they choose to leave later. And the Army/Navy still has the option to make them serve time as a regular enlistee if they choose to. That is why you see so many transfers who have just completed their second year - and rarely see a junior transfer.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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04-03-19 03:08 PM - Post#283230
Anyone can walk away from a Service Academy during their first two years and owe nothing. Once they make the commitment for Year 3, then they have to pay back for any further education if they choose to leave later. And the Army/Navy still has the option to make them serve time as a regular enlistee if they choose to. That is why you see so many transfers who have just completed their second year - and rarely see a junior transfer. Thanks for the clarification. It makes sense.
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04-03-19 07:20 PM - Post#283252
There are a lot of transfers at some of the PL schools this year. Some have already been mentioned, but here is a complete list: . . Player . College . Pos. . Yr. . Ht. . Wt. . D1 HS Offers 1 . Cameron Fuller . Army . PF . SO . 6-8 . 195 . 2 . Jordan Guest . Boston U . PF . FR . 6-9 . 220 . Denver, Utah St, San Fran, Vermont, American, Lehigh, etc. 3 . Auston Evans . Lafayette . SG . SR . 6-6 . 186 . 4 . Pat Andree . Lehigh . PF . JR . 6-8 . 225 . GWU, W&M, Vermont, American, Holy Cross, etc. 5 . Caleb Bennett . Lehigh . SG . SO . 6-5 . 190 . Northern Iowa, Buffalo, UTEP, ORU, San Jose, etc. 6 . Isaiah Burnett . Navy . SG . SO . 6-5 . 180 . 7 . Kyle Marion . Navy . PG . FR . 6-1 . 177 . Towson, Army, Jacksonville 8 . Daniel Ogele . Navy . SF . SO . 6-7 . 220 . Army, No. Michigan 9 . Josiah Strong . Navy . PG . FR . 6-2 . 187 . 10 . Jaylon Terrell . Navy . SG . FR . 6-3 . 190 . Another big transfer showed up today: SF/PF Sam Iorio of American, a 6-6 soph. He was AU's 2nd best player each of the past two years and was one of the two best frosh in the PL in 2017-18. Big loss for AU.
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Bison89 Professor Posts 5370
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04-04-19 09:38 AM - Post#283260
Just out of interest, has a PL player ever transferred to another PL school?
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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04-04-19 11:25 AM - Post#283267
No, because the PL bylaws - like many league's bylaws - essentially preclude it. Any basketball transfer between PL schools must sit two years before he/she can play again. Until recently, the rules were even more restrictive, i.e. an intra-league transfer could not receive any scholarship money. But that part of the rule has been changed.
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Bucknellbisonfan21 Masters Student Posts 548
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04-17-19 06:52 PM - Post#283733
Pat Andree is transferring to NC State. I can’t see him being able to guard ACC caliber players, he was a bad patriot league defender. |
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04-17-19 07:45 PM - Post#283734
Pat Andree is transferring to NC State. I can’t see him being able to guard ACC caliber players, he was a bad patriot league defender. Agree 100%. His role will likely be coming in to shoot 3's in certain situations as a stretch four - hoping he makes enough shots to offset his problems on defense.
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Bucknellbisonfan21 Masters Student Posts 548
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06-01-19 04:52 PM - Post#284918
Iorio is transferring to South Alabama |
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jkrun80 Postdoc Posts 3305 |
06-03-19 07:46 AM - Post#284930
That's weird. A kid from Allentown is transferring from American to South Alabama? I don't understand the attraction. |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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06-03-19 10:01 AM - Post#284936
I don't understand the attraction either. One possible reason is that a HS teammate of his - who is a year younger and did a post-grad prep year this year - is planning to attend South Alabama and walk on to their team. Iorio had better offers than South Alabama, with the best two being Cinci and Washington State.
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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06-07-19 08:36 PM - Post#285034
Boston U forward Tyler Scanlon just entered the transfer portal. Big loss for Boston if he leaves. He would have definitely been an All-PL candidate this year, and Boston U likely was going to be a top three preseason pick. Scanlon averaged about 14 ppg and 5 rpg, while leading them in minutes, assists, and steals. You can make a good case that he should have made third team All-PL this past season.
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MrPhillie Postdoc Posts 2757
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06-07-19 10:01 PM - Post#285037
Wow, that is a big loss. I wonder why he’s transferring? |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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06-07-19 10:54 PM - Post#285039
Wow, that is a big loss. I wonder why he’s transferring? No idea. I'm assuming - albeit with no evidence - that he has graduated in three years due to summer classes and AP credits. If that is so, he will be immediately eligible, which makes a transfer easier. Having said that, Boston U is the polar opposite of Bucknell in that they have every imaginable graduate degree available and encourage players to pursue Master's degrees while still using up their eligibility. So wanting to pursue a graduate degree still doesn't explain why he would transfer - unless he is interested in some arcane degree not offered by Boston U.
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bison63 Postdoc Posts 3857 |
06-08-19 09:43 AM - Post#285040
Or maybe he wanted to play in an arena that contains spectators. |
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Scotty-14 Sophomore Posts 156 |
06-08-19 11:54 AM - Post#285042
That is a very realistic possibility haha |
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NavyVoice Freshman Posts 38 |
06-10-19 08:38 AM - Post#285063
Navy transfers Marion Rollins Burnett Stonehill |
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NavyVoice Freshman Posts 38 |
06-10-19 09:48 AM - Post#285064
Auston Evans ended up at Drury |
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NavyVoice Freshman Posts 38 |
06-10-19 09:48 AM - Post#285065
Caleb Bennett Missouri Western |
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Bison137 Professor Posts 16147
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06-10-19 02:29 PM - Post#285068
Navy transfers Marion Rollins Burnett Stonehill Thanks. I am interested to see where Josiah Strong ends up. I had expected to see him starting at PG this year with Abdullah graduated. Any idea who the Mids' starting PG will be?
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USNA86 Pre-Frosh Posts 1 |
06-11-19 01:05 PM - Post#285090
Navy transfers Marion Rollins Burnett Stonehill Thanks. I am interested to see where Josiah Strong ends up. I had expected to see him starting at PG this year with Abdullah graduated. Any idea who the Mids' starting PG will be? Might be Sean Yoder (incoming frosh from Pennridge HS). |
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NavyVoice Freshman Posts 38 |
06-12-19 08:17 AM - Post#285102
Strong was actually going to be moved to shooting guard his more natural position because of Yoder... Tyler Scanlon of BU looks like he's headed to Illinois |
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