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rbg Postdoc Posts 3059 |
10-16-18 12:35 PM - Post#262721
The Ivy League's media preseason poll just came out: https://ivyleague.com/news/2018/10/16/harva rd-tabb... 1. Harvard 137 points (12 first place votes) 2. Penn 122 points (5 first place votes) 3. Yale 115 points (1 first place votes) 4. Princeton 92 points 5. Brown 64 points 6. Cornell 54 points 7. Columbia 43 points 8. Dartmouth 21 points |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
10-16-18 01:54 PM - Post#262729
"Harvard has been picked TO DEFEND ITS IVY LEAGUE CROWN in the 2018-19 Ivy League Men’s Basketball Preseason Media Poll." Barf. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
10-16-18 02:23 PM - Post#262736
"Harvard has been picked TO DEFEND ITS IVY LEAGUE CROWN in the 2018-19 Ivy League Men’s Basketball Preseason Media Poll." Barf. Revisionist history strikes again. In what alternate universe did we not win the tournament final? |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32849 |
10-16-18 02:25 PM - Post#262738
As we all know, only the regular season determines the League Champion. Any post-season game determines only the NCAA participant. However, a brutally terrible call at Yale allowed Harvard to backdoor into the claim of a title. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
10-16-18 04:00 PM - Post#262753
Well, without the traditional one game playoff, were they even the regular season champ? Looks like two 12-2 teams to me, which traditionally is a tie for the title necessitating a playoff. Maybe the headline can be switched to “Harvard Picked to Defend Their Top Seeding in the Ivy Tournament.†|
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
10-16-18 04:00 PM - Post#262754
Was it not a shared title? Harvard got the 1 seed for the ILT |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32849 |
10-16-18 04:01 PM - Post#262755
Under Ivy rules, it was indeed a shared title. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
10-16-18 04:01 PM - Post#262756
I think we were 2-1 vs Harvard last year. But that doesn’t matter either. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21225 |
10-16-18 04:45 PM - Post#262759
We danced; they nitted. |
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whitakk Masters Student Posts 523 |
10-16-18 09:50 PM - Post#262767
Based on point totals, all but two voters picked HYPP as the top four in some order. |
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Bruno PhD Student Posts 1421 |
10-16-18 11:31 PM - Post#262769
Pretty clear separation between the top and bottom halves. Don’t think we’ve seen this definitive of a split in the prior two tournament years.
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3059 |
10-17-18 10:29 AM - Post#262811
Women's preseason medial poll is out. https://ivyleague.com/news/2018/10/16/princ eton-se... 1. Princeton 133 points (14 first place votes) 2. Penn 107 points (2 first place votes) 3. Harvard 104 points (1 first place votes) 4. Yale 89 points 5. Brown 66 points 6. Dartmouth 55 points 7. Columbia 30 points 8. Cornell 28 points |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2697 |
10-17-18 10:41 AM - Post#262816
Looks like Brown is expected to be the squad fighting to break HYPP in both men's and women's. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3059 |
10-17-18 11:10 AM - Post#262822
Looking at the top 4 teams in both groups, strong defense seems to be the common thread. For Brown, the men and women have much better offense than defense. Last year, the Brown women were 12-1 in non-conference but lost one of its leading scorers to a knee injury just before the start of the conference. They ended up going 3-11 in the conference. For Brown to make a run at both 4 spots and break up the HYPP grouping, at a minimum, they must have their starters stay healthy. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
10-17-18 12:54 PM - Post#262840
However, a brutally terrible call at Yale allowed Harvard to backdoor into the claim of a title. I'd be lying if I said I don't think about where the 2019 ILT would played had that game not been handed on a silver platter to Yale. Forget the final call, that was the worst officiated game of the last 5 years and to think that bad calls potentially took the game away from the Palestra stinks. Maybe they had planned to move it all along, but Penn winning as a BS 2-seed didn't help. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2697 |
10-19-18 12:25 PM - Post#263051
CBS Sports today names Harvard as one of the Cinderalla squads who could surprise in NCAA basketball tournament. (Actually, #7 of the 11 named potential ball crashers.) NBC Sports also just named Harvard as one of 10 midmajors most likely to impact the tournament (ala Loyola-Chicago) For how many years can a league, let alone a team, be considered a "surprise?" If the Crimson reach the NCAA's these next two years, I can't believe that any Power 5 wants that draw. I suspect the committee will scheme to pit the Crimson against another midmajor to avoid an unfortunate result. I've been impressed by how Harvard has often played up to quality opponent in recent years, including Kentucky (-9), Minnesota (-10), Marquette (-7), Kansas (-6), Oklahoma (-12) and UNC (-2). That doesn't include NCAA wins over New Mexico and Cincy and in season tournament victories over BYU, Auburn and Florida St. Of course, Harvard has laid an egg on occasion too (UVA, St. Mary's), but Amaker seems to be able to coach his team up to the level of a ranked opponent often enough to scare any NCAA opponent. I hope that Bryce and Seth are healthy enough and that the rotation is set early enough so that Harvard can give UNC (Jan 2) and St. Mary's (Nov 24) a scare. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32849 |
10-19-18 12:31 PM - Post#263052
Still counting chickens, I see. That being said, it's far more likely that they will do to Harvard what they did to Penn--underseed them and send them to play a top 10 team in their home |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
10-19-18 12:39 PM - Post#263054
FWIW, if Harvard can't be competitive to get to the tourney on its own merits with the changes that have been made to the metrics (leave aside committee behavior), it's likely not good enough to do the damage that folks are excited about it doing anyway. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2697 |
10-19-18 12:54 PM - Post#263056
These fowls were hatched by NBC and CBS. |
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AntiUngvar Masters Student Posts 530 |
10-19-18 06:27 PM - Post#263075
Harvard won't be underseeded, as they'll be #1 seed and winner of a tournament played in NewHaven. When you're the number two seed in a tournament played on your home court, then you deserve to be sent to Kansas- a place where they count chickens with the best of them! |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2816 |
10-19-18 08:16 PM - Post#263079
Never a good sign for a team to be anointed champion even before the season begins. I await H’s collapse. I also like that Princeton is regarded lightly as I believe that, with the addition of its highly regarded freshman guard plus the experience gained by its sophs last year, the team will outperform expectations. I am looking forward to this year’s Ivy race.ðŸ…😈 |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
10-20-18 12:00 AM - Post#263092
Ivy Champs Remember when Columbia led Penn at the high school gym 54-50 with 7 minutes to go and then gave up an 18-0 run after one of their players pulled a chicken bleep move thinking he was tough? Remember when Penn was robbed of the 1-seed by joke fowls at the site of the new tourney? |
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AntiUngvar Masters Student Posts 530 |
10-20-18 12:56 PM - Post#263110
There's absolutely no basis for suggesting the officials robbed anyone in New Haven that night- instead of whining about referees, why not scrutinize SteveDonahue's strategy to begin fouling Yale at a time when his team had momentum and could have/ should have won going away. And I'd ask what the size of Levien Gym or how Penn's victory there last winter should have mattered in assessing them as better than a 16 seed; but, and as the great Chuck Daly essentially told that other Daily Pennsylvanian boy wonder, you don't know what you don't know (and you don't want to know). |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32849 |
10-20-18 01:25 PM - Post#263112
I was an XPN broadcaster, not a DP reporter (my daughter was both a sports reporter and editor for the DP). And while Chuck Daly was right--as a 20 year old, I really didn't know anything about basketball, if YOU knew anything about basketball and/or saw that Penn-Yale game, you knew Penn got jobbed, although I agree with you (and complained about it on the board then)that it was ridiculous to foul and give them a chance to win, instead of just tie with a contested 3. Still, it was an Ivy League tie--the second seed was based on ridiculous seeding rules (you should be seeded higher if you lose to a better team rather than a worse team like Columbia). Anyway, we won last year and did so fair and square. I have no problem with the tournament moving---just not to a high school sized gym that cannot possibly hold the number of people who will want to go. If it is to be played in Connecticut, they should play it at Fairfield or Bridgeport. |
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AntiUngvar Masters Student Posts 530 |
10-20-18 05:08 PM - Post#263121
Unacceptable, particularly from someone guilty of fan bias, to casually use words like "jobbed" in relation to game officials. Referees are part of the game, like players and coaches; and are as capable of human error as players and coaches often are. I don't think Donahue went in to that game in New Haven trying to blow it- though that's precisely what he managed to do. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
10-20-18 06:55 PM - Post#263127
Donahue was coach of the year wasn’t he? The startegy didn’t work but I’ll take him over Amaker as an in game coach every time. |
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AntiUngvar Masters Student Posts 530 |
10-20-18 07:41 PM - Post#263128
I'd say both men you mention (without comparing the two) have compiled impressive bodies of coaching work over a fairly significant time period. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3059 |
10-31-18 09:14 AM - Post#263881
The Harvard Crimson has a recap of the men's coaches round table discussion from last week. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/27/mb b-... https://ivyleague.com/news/2018/10/23/ivy-l eague-m... |
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