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Eric Von Zipper Senior Posts 343 |
12-28-18 09:01 PM - Post#270280
Opens Sun Devils -16 1/2 |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-28-18 10:02 PM - Post#270282
Spread is less than I anticipated -- not sure why. 3 of 4 IL teams are road underdogs tomorrow with the Tigers leading the pack at 16 1/2. Let's see if Morales get gobbled up like the Dukies did to him in Durham. Tigers play best when he is in the game but it requires a team without the size, length and strenth of ASU. It will be interesting to see if the Tigers learned anything from the Duke rout. Good news is that Jaelin is enjoying his Princeton experience and probably will rachet up his game during the IL season. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4894 |
12-29-18 04:47 AM - Post#270289
Pretty lame that this game isn't even on FS1 or other channel that carries the important PAC-12 stuff. The PACN channel must have the reach of a pirate radio station if it's not carried on DirecTV. |
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Eric Von Zipper Senior Posts 343 |
12-29-18 02:47 PM - Post#270296
It's actually drifted down to ASU -14 1/2. Unsure how to interpret that. Sun Devils just knocked off #1 Kansas. |
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Eric Von Zipper Senior Posts 343 |
12-29-18 02:54 PM - Post#270297
Penn getting 4 from Toledo really surprising. After taking apart New Mexico in the Pit in workmen like fashion I figger them a top 25 team. Unless I'm missing something, taking the points today is a take it to the bank best bet. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-29-18 03:03 PM - Post#270298
You are scaring me. I have a wager on Toledo giving points. |
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Eric Von Zipper Senior Posts 343 |
12-29-18 03:07 PM - Post#270300
My man buys me a drink most Tuesday nights so don't make too much of my bet on the Quackers. I go wherever I perceive value takes me. |
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westcoast Senior Posts 302 |
12-29-18 04:50 PM - Post#270364
Stephens and Gladson are not dressed for today’s game. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-29-18 04:53 PM - Post#270366
No surprise that Toledo won other than margin of victory. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3634 |
12-29-18 05:08 PM - Post#270368
Stephens and Gladson are not dressed for today’s game. Uh-oh. This could really get out of hand...again. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3634 |
12-29-18 06:04 PM - Post#270375
37-30 lead! What a half. Probably get creamed in the 2nd half, but this is a really nice "bounce back" after the brutal Duke loss. They can hang with good teams. Even without Stephens, the defense is the best I've seen it this season. I like the willingness to foul, which MH explicitly avoids in other games. I've always been a big proponent of heavily fouling elite teams on the road -- it takes away their momentum and quiets the crowd with boring stoppages and FT parades. Even without hot 3pt shooting, they're finding ways to score. Is this the game that finally gets Desrosiers going? By far his best game all season. Like I said, we probably get crunched in the 2nd half, but this is a good sign heading into league play. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1871 |
12-29-18 06:07 PM - Post#270376
Tigers up 7 (!) at the half without Miles Stephens. Sun Devils may be a little punch drunk after beating #1 Kansas. Jerome with 12, Devin with 8, Richmond with 8. Very foul happy first half--24 total fouls and 9 players with 2 or more. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1871 |
12-29-18 06:09 PM - Post#270377
Hey gokinsman, Are you able to watch this game? I couldn't access Pac 12 Network because they don't seem to carry Verizon subscribers. Why is this game not on ESPN or FS1 or even the miserable ESPN+? |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 6997 |
12-29-18 06:09 PM - Post#270378
Addition by subtraction given Stephens has had such a slow start offensively this year? |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-29-18 06:11 PM - Post#270379
Agree although ASU is flat as a pancake. The danger in being overly confident. Hurley will have them come out flying in the 2nd half in all likelihood. Most important thing is that DesRosiers, Arirguzoh and Much are playing well and it is incredibly important that either DesRosiers or Much turn the corner for the IL season. Jaelin is off on scoring points but the Tigers need him to step up in the 2nd half. Let's see if the Tigers do not perform the 2nd half IL collapse routine against exceptional teams. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3634 |
12-29-18 06:13 PM - Post#270380
Yes! I'm on the west coast for now, so I have access. If you need a temporary link, you can probably find one online *cough* ncaaBBallStreams *cough*. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3634 |
12-29-18 06:16 PM - Post#270381
The only thing I can think of is the old "Patrick Ewing" theory -- injury to a major cog forces other guys to step up in the short-term. Desrosiers (like Much) has gotten good looks all season...they just haven't fallen. Today, the same shots he missed before are going down. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1871 |
12-29-18 06:23 PM - Post#270383
got it! |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1871 |
12-29-18 06:24 PM - Post#270384
Hate these 3-pt play opportunities for ASU |
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Eric Von Zipper Senior Posts 343 |
12-29-18 06:33 PM - Post#270385
HOLY TOLEDO!!!!!! |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1871 |
12-29-18 06:38 PM - Post#270386
Tigers need to settle down and get the ball to DC3. |
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Vonsid Sophomore Posts 143 |
12-29-18 06:54 PM - Post#270387
Jaelin needs to make some shots. Killing us. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3634 |
12-29-18 06:55 PM - Post#270388
What a shot by Much! He had a 3pt prayer just like that against USC last year. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3634 |
12-29-18 06:59 PM - Post#270389
Refs trying to steal this win for ASU. |
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Vonsid Sophomore Posts 143 |
12-29-18 07:00 PM - Post#270390
I agree |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1871 |
12-29-18 07:01 PM - Post#270391
Walton called that right. The refs are stacking this against us. |
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Vonsid Sophomore Posts 143 |
12-29-18 07:03 PM - Post#270392
Much!!!! hits the 3 putting us up 65-54 with 2:14 left |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3634 |
12-29-18 07:04 PM - Post#270393
Much finding his mojo! That's one way to bypass the refs. Hit those 3s. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3634 |
12-29-18 07:06 PM - Post#270394
Man, rough game for Jaelin. I think he's still banged up from last game. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3634 |
12-29-18 07:10 PM - Post#270395
Great no-look pass by Much. Ice-cold 2/2 FTs by Aririguzoh. Win or lose, I couldn't be prouder of the guys' effort. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4894 |
12-29-18 07:10 PM - Post#270396
Can Tigers get that last needed stop to close this thing out? |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4894 |
12-29-18 07:11 PM - Post#270397
Whoa! Unbelievable road win against a big-time team. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3634 |
12-29-18 07:11 PM - Post#270398
WE WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN!!!!!!! |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 6997 |
12-29-18 07:11 PM - Post#270399
Man, so many good looks for ASU on the final possession and they can’t get one to go down. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2685 |
12-29-18 07:12 PM - Post#270400
Congrats Tigers! 67-66 |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3634 |
12-29-18 07:12 PM - Post#270401
Man, so many good looks for ASU on the final possession and they can’t get one to go down. Great defense wore them down. MH changed his usual "no-foul" policy and had the guys hacking and banging inside all game. Our guys were clanking easy ones too. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3634 |
12-29-18 07:13 PM - Post#270402
Last year? USC goes down. This year? ASU goes down. Time to schedule a Pac 12 trip every year! |
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Eric Von Zipper Senior Posts 343 |
12-29-18 07:14 PM - Post#270403
HOLY TOLEDO !!!!!!!!! |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4894 |
12-29-18 07:15 PM - Post#270404
Box score shows what a rock fight this was. Very happy to see this team prevail in that style--they need to be good even when the offense isn't flowing that well. |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1871 |
12-29-18 07:15 PM - Post#270405
WOW! What a game! |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1871 |
12-29-18 07:16 PM - Post#270406
Bring on the Quakers! |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-29-18 07:20 PM - Post#270407
Holy Mackerel!!! Devin Cannady 21 pts, 9 rebounds and 4 assists. DesRosiers 16pts - Much 13 pts. They win with Llewellyn 1-10. ASU should have won but the Tigers got some breaks but finally, they finished. Arirguzoh made incredibly clutch free throws to take the lead and 8 for 9 on the line. IL play will be interesting and Tigers should have gained some confidence. Anything can happen in any given game. |
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gokinsmen Postdoc Posts 3634 |
12-29-18 07:20 PM - Post#270408
Box score shows what a rock fight this was. Very happy to see this team prevail in that style--they need to be good even when the offense isn't flowing that well. I've been begging MH to foul hard and often against top opponents -- especially since Aririguzoh is our one and only interior presence. Elite teams don't like being hit to the floor and being forced to shoot boring FTs. They want to blow us off the court with epic dunks and get the crowd screaming in our ears. Anything to prevent that gives us a chance. Basically, the Brad Stevens Butler brand of basketball -- ugly, physical, defensive. And then hope a couple guys get hot at the right times. MH's "no foul" approach never sat right with me, at least against great teams. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4894 |
12-29-18 07:33 PM - Post#270409
"No foul" works when your D is good and especially when you're hitting threes while they're shooting twos. I agree that uglying it up is often the right move against superior athletic teams when your offense isn't clicking that well. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-29-18 07:37 PM - Post#270411
Expected Quaker response as per the norm. Should be some good upcoming games with Penn and they will be a big challenge for the Tigers. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4894 |
12-29-18 07:44 PM - Post#270412
Hope Stephens and Gladson are OK. |
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AntiUngvar Masters Student Posts 530 |
12-29-18 08:00 PM - Post#270413
Great game today, Brad. Given what t you just saw, I think my remarks to you prior to the game in Durham have to be considered in a slightly different light; and the win today was achieved with very little contribution offered by your great freshman guard. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 6997 |
12-29-18 08:10 PM - Post#270414
Expected Quaker response as per the norm. Objective observation. Two wide-open threes. The putback attempt in between was challenged, but still just barely missed.
Should be some good upcoming games with Penn and they will be a big challenge for the Tigers. Whoever can get key guys back and healthy could have a huge edge. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3578 |
12-29-18 10:59 PM - Post#270429
Bring on the Quakers! Don't worry, we're coming! The Quakers will be at full strength a week from today so there will be no excuses. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3578 |
12-29-18 11:01 PM - Post#270431
Very nice, USC like, win on the road. On a side note, Bobby Hurley is a complete tool on the sideline. What an embarrassment. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-29-18 11:03 PM - Post#270432
My observaations are as follows: Princeton vs. Duke = Boys against Men Princeton vs. ASU = Adolescents vs. Young Men After the Duke game, Henderson and Cannady commented that the Duke athleticism and length was pretty crazy including their ability to play tough/hard nosed defense. Henderson commented that Duke was even more impressive at courtt level. ASU is very good but I do not believe at the level of the Dukies but time will tell. Perhaps, the Tigers are also growing up as a team. |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1339 |
12-30-18 12:57 AM - Post#270440
On a side note, Bobby Hurley is a complete tool on the sideline. What an embarrassment. We can think of it as exacting some payback on duke. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2261 |
12-30-18 09:25 AM - Post#270447
Thanks to everyone for the commentary, as I was unable to watch the game. I have watched replays of the last play several times, from two camera angles. Cannady made a big error turning the ball over after rebounding the initial missed shot (shades of Penn's mistake on last play against Villanova). Martin had a wide open shot, but missed (the same shot he made against Kansas). Dort covered an incredible amount of ground to seize that last rebound; we are fortunate he missed. I was most happy to see Much and Desrosiers step up. If only it can continue. Aririguzoh's free throw shooting improvement since freshman year is incredible. I wonder if advanced basketball metrics support increased fouling on defense? Intuitively it could work well against teams that shoot free throws poorly. How is Penn as a free throw shooting team...? |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-30-18 09:27 AM - Post#270448
Gladson just does not seem to get on the court which is unfortunate as he provides a big body but the progress made by Arirguzoh has reduced the effect of Gladson's absence. Only concern is that Arirguzoh does get into foul trouble. Gladson is your traditional Tiger C while Richmond is a much different and improved version. His progress from last year to this year says so much about him and the coaching staff. As to Myles, Tigers do need him. DesRosiers and Much's performance yesterday is encouraging but you always want a senior co-captain on the floor. DesRosiers and Much got significant minutes yesterday while Schweigger got 7 minutes as Mitch continues to go more athletic. If, huge if, DesRosiers and Much perform in IL play, Tigers will literally get two new players into the mix. Morales gives them the option to play small when needed and it will be an option against smaller IL teams. Time will tell. I always enjoy the comments by others that Coach Henderson does not seem able to get performance from his players. IL may be a roller coaster this year for many teams. |
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Tiger81 Masters Student Posts 409 |
12-30-18 09:51 AM - Post#270450
Wow! I just watched the highlights and agree that nine times out of ten the heavily favored home team makes one of those three final shots and this game gets filed away as yet another close but no cigar Princeton upset bid. But the basketball gods apparently wanted to reward the Tigers for believing in themselves despite the best-down administered by Duke last week. The box score does not reflect the sort of perfect game you would expect would be needed to beat a ranked team on their court. No Stephens, Llewelyn not a factor, so-so shooting, 11 TOs to ASU’s 7. But they held them to 66 points, had 13 assists on 20 made shots, they rebounded competitively and Aririguzoh, Much and Desrosiers made up for the absence of Myles and Jaelin. And Cannady had the best stat line on either team. Is this a turning point where the Tigers top 8 players embrace the defensive intensity and offensive flow it will take to be competitive against the better Ivy teams? Or an outlier like last year’s upset at USC? Penn games will be a good barometer of Princeton’s progress but I’m encouraged by this unexpected showing. |
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mbaprof Senior Posts 342 |
12-30-18 01:36 PM - Post#270470
Congrats on a great road win, good for the league also Our (penn) foul shooting is awful, hard to believe for a good D1 basketball team. We have shot it well as times but ridiculously poor at others. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2261 |
12-30-18 03:40 PM - Post#270478
As to Myles, Tigers do need him. DesRosiers and Much's performance yesterday is encouraging but you always want a senior co-captain on the floor. Although we cannot experience the contrapositive, one wonders if we could have won this game with Stephens on the floor. Those catch and shoot rapid release three point shots by Much which I saw on the highlights are not in Stephens arsenal. |
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Eric Von Zipper Senior Posts 343 |
12-30-18 03:51 PM - Post#270479
Pennsylvania is shooting 62.8% from the charity stripe this season. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4894 |
12-30-18 04:47 PM - Post#270484
I just saw the highlight where Cannady passes behind his back to Much with the shot clock expiring for the trey. Wow! |
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TigerFan PhD Student Posts 1871 |
12-30-18 04:50 PM - Post#270485
I’d like to see more Max Johns. The kid plays tough defense and he’s not afraid to foul. Against a poor FT shooting team, that’s a smart play. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2261 |
12-30-18 06:36 PM - Post#270500
Pennsylvania is shooting 62.8% from the charity stripe this season. Time for "Hack-a-Quack"-er? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21081 |
12-30-18 06:49 PM - Post#270504
Be sure to take dead aim at Bryce Washington. |
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Eric Von Zipper Senior Posts 343 |
12-30-18 07:07 PM - Post#270508
Not. Best % of the regulars. Leading scorer A.J. Brodeur is 55%. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2801 |
12-30-18 07:34 PM - Post#270510
Go away, Chip. You still are a snarky jerk. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-30-18 08:25 PM - Post#270520
Nice job of picking up on the Quaker fan trying to trick Coach Henderson as to who to foul. Maybe, we put in a suggestion box that the coaches decide on having a foul shooting contest rather than playing the game at Jadwin with Washington and Cannady taking 80 foul shots over 40 minutes in lieu of playing the game. If by some chance Cannady wins, we might hear on this board about how the poor lighting effected Washington or how the ref unfairly handed the balls to Cannady vs. Washington. |
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AntiUngvar Masters Student Posts 530 |
12-30-18 09:13 PM - Post#270528
Bobby's everything you wrote about, and his brother at UConn's even worse. On the other hand, without Bobby there, Princeton wouldn't benefit from playing Arizona State , home and home in successive season's. That's right- ASU travels to Jadwin next winter. For all his sideine zaniness, Hurley does have sense for fair play and loyalty to his home Garden State! |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 6997 |
12-31-18 01:29 PM - Post#270560
Go away, Chip. You still are a snarky jerk. The thin and brittle skin of certain Princeton fans is so easily pricked. Finding snark where none was offered. |
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Eric Von Zipper Senior Posts 343 |
12-31-18 04:29 PM - Post#270675
Pennsylvania loses at home to previously winless Monmouth. Shoots 61% from the free throw line. |
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JadwinGeorge Senior Posts 357 |
12-31-18 04:46 PM - Post#270680
Tough assignment for Penn after a game two days ago, esp. with Brodeur the only real presence in the paint. Brodeur was obviously exhausted at the end. Sounds like Rothschild will be back on Saturday, but less sure about Wang. He had a "boot" on today and did not dress. King Rice has done a nice job getting his kids to continue playing hard at 0-12. At home the Tigers should have a fighting chance. The league is something like 14 games over .500 in the OOC. Pretty good showing . |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 6997 |
12-31-18 04:52 PM - Post#270682
Tough assignment for Penn after a game two days ago, esp. with Brodeur the only real presence in the paint. Brodeur was obviously exhausted at the end. Sounds like Rothschild will be back on Saturday, but less sure about Wang. He had a "boot" on today and did not dress. King Rice has done a nice job getting his kids to continue playing hard at 0-12. At home the Tigers should have a fighting chance. The league is something like 14 games over .500 in the OOC. Pretty good showing . Agreed on Brodeur being tired being a factor in OT, but the team as a whole, even short handed, played far too badly for far too long in the game and deserved the end result. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-31-18 04:58 PM - Post#270683
One thing that we have learned as Tigers fans is that things can change on a moment's notice --- Duke to Lafayette to ASU. I would anticipate that Penn will rebound for next Saturday and it will be a royal battle. Even if Penn did not stumble against Toledo and Monmouth, it is a rivalry game at the Tiger's homecourt with all the bad lighting and favorable refs so anything can happen. Quakers will probably still be the favorite and deservedely so. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3578 |
12-31-18 06:36 PM - Post#270691
Tough assignment for Penn after a game two days ago, esp. with Brodeur the only real presence in the paint. Brodeur was obviously exhausted at the end. Sounds like Rothschild will be back on Saturday, but less sure about Wang. He had a "boot" on today and did not dress. King Rice has done a nice job getting his kids to continue playing hard at 0-12. At home the Tigers should have a fighting chance. The league is something like 14 games over .500 in the OOC. Pretty good showing . Agreed on Brodeur being tired being a factor in OT, but the team as a whole, even short handed, played far too badly for far too long in the game and deserved the end result. Which the Prophet Chip knew with 15 minutes left in the second half! Genius. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
12-31-18 07:56 PM - Post#270698
Nice to see that Cannady received co-player of the week -- 2nd award this season and that indeed was a crazy good pass with time running out. SB Nation did not even have Devin making 2nd team IL in their preseason predictions although they did note that he averaged 16.7 per game in his junior year. He has raised up his game. Coach K said it all as to his skill level. Sportswriter got it right in grouping him within the best 30 3 pt shooters. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-01-19 09:31 AM - Post#270717
Add Lou Henson Player of the Week award to the list of honors for Devin. Hopefully, the 3s will drop on Saturday evening at Jadwin but one never knows about 3 pt shooting on a given night but Devin has added 2 pt shooting to his arsenal this year. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2261 |
01-01-19 11:13 AM - Post#270724
Does protocol now demand we wait for EVZ to start the Penn thread? |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2261 |
01-01-19 01:09 PM - Post#270740
Tiger's homecourt with all the bad lighting and favorable refs I understand they will use the old lighting system for this game (we've been practicing with it all week). The ref fix is fine as long as the alum who handled the payments isn't audited by the OAG for Medicare fraud. |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-03-19 12:06 AM - Post#270939
Tiger Fans -- You MUST watch Hard Cuts #9 on the goprincetontigers.com website --- best one ever by far. The 18 minute video shows the impact of Bill Walton with the Tiger basketball team the night before the ASU game as well as after the game. It would be ironic if Walton is part of the turnaround by the Princeton team although time will tell. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2261 |
01-03-19 07:35 AM - Post#270953
I was surprised to see the extent to which he and the team had bonded. Including Sebastian "Too" Much |
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bradley PhD Student Posts 1842 |
01-03-19 10:18 AM - Post#270963
Mitch Henderson show did not discuss the topic regarding the status of Myles Stephens or Will Gladson for Saturday's game which was no great surprise as you want to keep the other team guessing. Cannady and Arirguzoh along with Henderson were interviewed. You get the sense that Henderson is relying on Devin more and more as the leader. Nothing revealing other than the intensity level is being raised. It was interesting to hear Richmond discuss his approach to foul shooting especially the last two critical foul shots. Banghardt on her podcast discussed the quality of Penn's defense especially their length. She discussed the importance of the Tigers strength of schedule as to preparing them for the Quaker game. She also addressed the possible impact of the blow out against the Quakers at the Palestra in the IvyMadness final - none. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2801 |
01-03-19 11:04 AM - Post#270969
If only Bill W had felt that way when he was 18 .... |
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JadwinGeorge Senior Posts 357 |
01-03-19 12:58 PM - Post#270980
I don't think the lighting will be anything other than what it has been this season. No plan to use "old"lighting |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2261 |
01-03-19 01:16 PM - Post#270983
That was a joke for the Penn fans. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4894 |
01-03-19 02:40 PM - Post#270997
Just watched Hard Cuts 9 as advised. Structured like a mini-movie with a surprisingly moving performance by Bill Walton. Very satisfying. BTW, Walton's remark about the strength coach made me notice Devin's arms. Proof that you can have touch while being ripped. |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1339 |
01-03-19 06:00 PM - Post#271014
Do we have any leads on the 9 grandkids? |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4894 |
01-03-19 08:10 PM - Post#271021
Maybe some of them have the genes for passing. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2801 |
01-03-19 09:17 PM - Post#271034
I like the 7’ Bill Walton gene. |
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1LotteryPick1969 Postdoc Posts 2261 |
01-04-19 07:58 AM - Post#271056
Maybe some of them have the genes for passing. More likely the gene(s) for prolixity. |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1339 |
01-25-19 03:30 PM - Post#273535
Apparently acting, too: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/01/25/d... |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 586 |
01-26-19 08:38 AM - Post#273600
beer muscles |
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