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10Q Professor Posts 23405 |
12-31-18 08:04 AM - Post#270543
Good game to get our confidence back, especially the guys who we will need beyond the Iron 7. Who's going? I'm planning to. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8260 
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12-31-18 09:26 AM - Post#270544
Hawks are winless and a 14 pt dog. They have been better of late though giving Yale all they could handle at home last week. They also run 10 deep so look for them to try and tire our guys out b speeding things up. They are not very big though, so going with 4 guards won’t be an issue if Steve needs to. No reason to believe Penn loses this, but don’t lay the 14. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 09:44 AM - Post#270546
The Nations will all be heading down there. First trip for Mrs. Nation to the Cathedral. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23405 |
12-31-18 09:59 AM - Post#270550
I would think it will be a very small crowd. Enjoy. |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 587 |
12-31-18 10:06 AM - Post#270551
I will be in attendance. |
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SteveChop PhD Student Posts 1155 |
 12-31-18 10:22 AM - Post#270553
Since I am back from Albuquerque and Toledo, guess I can make it to the Palestra too, 
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
12-31-18 12:33 PM - Post#270557
Looking at the Penn game notes, projected starters are four guards (Goodman, Washington, Woods, Silpe) and AJ. SD's going small from the start. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
12-31-18 01:35 PM - Post#270562
I know someone mentioned Hamilton but we could really use him. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3588 |
12-31-18 01:42 PM - Post#270564
Hamiliton, Mike, Max...all out for today's game I believe. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 01:48 PM - Post#270568
WAng in street clothes and has a brace contraption on. |
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Cvonvorys Postdoc Posts 4484 
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12-31-18 01:52 PM - Post#270569
Aaron and I just arrived at the Cathedral. Go Penn!! |
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10Q Professor Posts 23405 |
12-31-18 01:57 PM - Post#270570
Colin. I'm in the top row. |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214 
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12-31-18 02:07 PM - Post#270571
Sideline reporter says Wang's x-rays negative, he's improving well, and is currently day-to-day, so he might be back for Princeton.
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3058 |
12-31-18 02:07 PM - Post#270572
Sideline reporter said Wang is in a walking boot. X-rays to his ankle came back negative. He is day-to-day and showing improvement each day. She also mentioned that Max is not playing today, but did not give any information about his back. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3588 |
12-31-18 02:09 PM - Post#270574
I think both Mike and Max are expected back for Princeton. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
12-31-18 02:10 PM - Post#270575
Gotta keep AJ out of foul trouble. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 02:10 PM - Post#270576
Main scoreboard still has prior game stats on it. Embarrassing. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 02:14 PM - Post#270577
Dev’s shooting slump continues: blown layup and now two missed threes. For the most part we look completely disjointed on offense. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 02:18 PM - Post#270579
Nothing says bad basketball like watching Jackson Donahue attempt to dribble through a doubleteam. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 02:20 PM - Post#270580
No-one to run the offense the past few minutes and it showed. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
12-31-18 02:20 PM - Post#270581
Look at the combination of players we have on the floor. How many minutes have they played together at any point this season, or ever? |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 02:21 PM - Post#270582
Yup. It’s like they’re trying to tick off every item on the List of Bad Turnovers. Monmouth equally sloppy. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 02:24 PM - Post#270583
FT shooting: still awful. |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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12-31-18 02:30 PM - Post#270584
Yup. It’s like they’re trying to tick off every item on the List of Bad Turnovers. Monmouth equally sloppy. Yes, one can definitely see how the Hawks are 0-12.
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
12-31-18 02:30 PM - Post#270585
FT shooting: still awful. Hey. we're consistent. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 02:31 PM - Post#270586
Scott and Simmons are not yet ready for prime time. We really need max and mike back pronto. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 02:34 PM - Post#270587
Awful. Just awful. Woods gets a great steal, but blows layup at the other end, then terrible rotation back against Hawks break results in an and-1. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23405 |
12-31-18 02:40 PM - Post#270588
So many offensive boards |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 02:40 PM - Post#270589
Kuba more productive than Scott and Simmons combined. That was the best rebound putback of the game. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 02:45 PM - Post#270591
So many offensive boards Yeah, they’re taking advantage of our lack of size to get tip after tip. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 02:48 PM - Post#270592
Absolutely silly foul by Goodman there. And if we keep on settling for Kuba 3 attempts we won’t win this game |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3588 |
12-31-18 02:51 PM - Post#270593
Absolutely silly foul by Goodman there. And if we keep on settling for Kuba 3 attempts we won’t win this game If he makes them we will. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3058 |
12-31-18 02:53 PM - Post#270594
There's no getting around it, that was a brutal half of basketball. Penn will need at least Max or Mike back if they want to win at Princeton on Saturday. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 02:54 PM - Post#270595
Absolutely silly foul by Goodman there. And if we keep on settling for Kuba 3 attempts we won’t win this game If he makes them we will. They’re open looks. He’s supposed to be a shooter. So I agree, it’s not settling if they’re making the extra pass to get him those looks. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 03:01 PM - Post#270597
They’re all getting open looks. But i don’t think kuba is the guy who should have 5 or so attempts from there in a half. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:07 PM - Post#270598
Another blown transition layup. Unbelievable. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:08 PM - Post#270600
And now Washington goes one-on-three to blow yet another one when he had an open teammate on the wing. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:10 PM - Post#270601
Now Woods loses it trying to dribble through a double team. And then Goodman with a horrible dribble TO. This is going to be an embarrassing and well-deserved loss. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 03:10 PM - Post#270602
We look awful out there. And our defensive rebounding has really cost us. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
12-31-18 03:11 PM - Post#270603
Terrible start to the half. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3588 |
12-31-18 03:14 PM - Post#270605
Now Woods loses it trying to dribble through a double team. And then Goodman with a horrible dribble TO. This is going to be an embarrassing and well-deserved loss. Dude, take some prozac. What a joke. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:17 PM - Post#270606
Dev now 3-17 over the last game and a half. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:18 PM - Post#270607
Now Woods loses it trying to dribble through a double team. And then Goodman with a horrible dribble TO. This is going to be an embarrassing and well-deserved loss. Dude, take some prozac. What a joke. Good to know you think the team is making great decisions and playing well. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3588 |
12-31-18 03:19 PM - Post#270608
Kuba is probably the best 3 pt shooter on the team, which is why he is out there. Defensively, not so much. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:20 PM - Post#270609
Hopefully that gets Kuba’s stroke going. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:21 PM - Post#270610
Instead, he throws a ridiculously ill-advised pass toward Goodman in the corner. Another bad turnover. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3588 |
12-31-18 03:21 PM - Post#270611
Now Woods loses it trying to dribble through a double team. And then Goodman with a horrible dribble TO. This is going to be an embarrassing and well-deserved loss. Dude, take some prozac. What a joke. Good to know you think the team is making great decisions and playing well. There is quite a chasm between being down by 4 with 15 min to go and saying this will be a terrible loss. They don't have to be playing well for you to be significantly over reacting. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
12-31-18 03:24 PM - Post#270612
Third foul on AJ. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:25 PM - Post#270613
Now Woods loses it trying to dribble through a double team. And then Goodman with a horrible dribble TO. This is going to be an embarrassing and well-deserved loss. Dude, take some prozac. What a joke. Good to know you think the team is making great decisions and playing well. There is quite a chasm between being down by 4 with 15 min to go and saying this will be a terrible loss. They don't have to be playing well for you to be significantly over reacting. They’re playing badly enough to lose to a very bad team. In fact, as you note, they’re down in the second half to said bad team. That’s bad. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3058 |
12-31-18 03:32 PM - Post#270615
Bryce is 5-9 from three. The rest of the team is 4-18. Woods and Goodman are both 1-5 and Mijakowski is 1-6. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 03:32 PM - Post#270616
AJ too conscious of picking up foul #4. Got outtebounded on 2 straight possessions for easy put backs. Simmons looked equally bad the next time down. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3588 |
12-31-18 03:33 PM - Post#270617
Yes but you said 'This WILL BE an embarrassing and well-deserved loss' when there was still 15 minutes to play. Still a huge chasm between that and playing down 3 starters to a bad, but division 1 team. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:35 PM - Post#270618
No stops. Even when they miss, we give up the o-board putback.. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3588 |
12-31-18 03:35 PM - Post#270619
I have been impressed with Simmons's defense today. Much, much better. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3588 |
12-31-18 03:42 PM - Post#270620
Not sure how many games we have won in the Donahue era when taking 30 or more 3's. 29 attempts now. A couple of notable losses for sure. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:43 PM - Post#270621
Yes but you said 'This WILL BE an embarrassing and well-deserved loss' when there was still 15 minutes to play. Still a huge chasm between that and playing down 3 starters to a bad, but division 1 team. Experienced guys are making dumb decisions with the ball in their hands. Repeatedly. Less experienced guys are doing the same. If you play that dumb against a horrible team and lose, it is exactly what I said: embarrassing and well-deserved. Also, we’re down one starter and one key reserve from the rotation since the first 5 minutes of the season. Please do not attempt to blame what’s happening in this game on missing Ryan Betley. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
12-31-18 03:44 PM - Post#270622
Jake looked really staggered walking off. Anyone see where exactly he got hit? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 03:45 PM - Post#270624
Woods really asserting himself on both ends. They now have him on #24 who has killed us. Got a steal last possession |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3588 |
12-31-18 03:45 PM - Post#270625
If you want to discuss the game and the poor play, great. just don't be such a dick with prophetic statements about an embarrassing loss when its a 2 possession game with 15 minutes left. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
12-31-18 03:45 PM - Post#270626
He took a forearm across the bridge of the nose. From a 6'8", 250lb guy. |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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12-31-18 03:46 PM - Post#270627
Goodman looks absolutely horrible on defense right now. They took him off Pillari and Woods forced the turnover, but then whoever Devon's playing now just abused him.
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:47 PM - Post#270628
Yikes. Big bailout three from Woods with nothing happening on O late in clock. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 03:48 PM - Post#270630
What a buzzer beating 3. Gives us a chance now. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
12-31-18 03:48 PM - Post#270631
We need a stop here. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:48 PM - Post#270632
If you want to discuss the game and the poor play, great. just don't be such a dick with prophetic statements about an embarrassing loss when its a 2 possession game with 15 minutes left. Who made you board proctor? |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
12-31-18 03:48 PM - Post#270633
No call of course. He’s still in the locker room. Get the mask ready. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:50 PM - Post#270634
Woods can’t finish, but man’s rebound. Now make the #%$@ FTs. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:51 PM - Post#270635
Important to get that lead and make Monmouth feel pressure of seeking first win. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
12-31-18 03:52 PM - Post#270636
That was maybe the worst call of the year. And we’ve seen some bad ones. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 03:52 PM - Post#270637
How did that ball not go in? Great board by AJ though |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:53 PM - Post#270638
Wish A.J. had gone back up strong after that rebound. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
12-31-18 03:53 PM - Post#270639
How did that ball not go in? Great board by AJ though Seriously. That ball was in, I thought. Great rebounding. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 03:53 PM - Post#270640
Woods got jobbed. He has been very Foreman like down the stretch here. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
12-31-18 03:55 PM - Post#270642
Woods got jobbed. He has been very Foreman like down the stretch here. Flat shot by Washington. If the out of bounds call stands, we've gotta get a good look. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3058 |
12-31-18 03:56 PM - Post#270643
Looking at the replay, that should stay with Penn for the last possession. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:56 PM - Post#270644
Washington has been hot in the half, but a 25-footer after little ball movement didn’t seem like what they wanted from that set. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3058 |
12-31-18 03:56 PM - Post#270645
Refs changing their mind and giving it to Monmouth for the last shot. Ugh! |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 03:57 PM - Post#270646
Ridiculous overturn. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
12-31-18 03:57 PM - Post#270647
It was so close that he needed the other ref to look too. Somehow he saw enough. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 03:57 PM - Post#270648
Silpe back in wearing #33 |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 03:59 PM - Post#270649
Woods again with the shutdown d |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
12-31-18 03:59 PM - Post#270650
Woods again with the shutdown d O/T. Deja vu all over again. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3588 |
12-31-18 04:01 PM - Post#270651
If you want to discuss the game and the poor play, great. just don't be such a dick with prophetic statements about an embarrassing loss when its a 2 possession game with 15 minutes left. Who made you board proctor? No one. Certainly not you. But someone has got to call a spade a spade. You haven't posted a positive thing about your team in 3 games. I hate coming on here to read your vitriol |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 04:03 PM - Post#270653
If you want to discuss the game and the poor play, great. just don't be such a dick with prophetic statements about an embarrassing loss when its a 2 possession game with 15 minutes left. Who made you board proctor? No one. Certainly not you. But someone has got to call a spade a spade. You haven't posted a positive thing about your team in 3 games. I hate coming on here to read your vitriol Oh crap. You’re oversensitive to the criticism and ignore the praise. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3058 |
12-31-18 04:05 PM - Post#270654
AJ has been huge, but missing 4 FT in OT is not helping things. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3058 |
12-31-18 04:07 PM - Post#270655
Another big 3 from Woods! 1 point lead! |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 04:07 PM - Post#270656
Bad shot choice banked in. Great karma. Woods huge 3. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 04:10 PM - Post#270657
Just bad hands by Washington. No tip by Monmouth. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3058 |
12-31-18 04:11 PM - Post#270658
AJ loses the ball and it goes over midcourt - this is just some crazy stuff today |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 04:12 PM - Post#270659
Plus our lane violation on a missed front end of a 1 and 1. We should have been up 6 |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3058 |
12-31-18 04:12 PM - Post#270660
Credit to Monmouth's Salnave on that reverse layup. 30 seconds down 2. Woods or AJ are going to have to come up big again. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3058 |
12-31-18 04:13 PM - Post#270661
AJ with the nice layup. C'mon and hit the FT! |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 04:13 PM - Post#270662
Best execution all day with 13 seconds left in OT. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
12-31-18 04:13 PM - Post#270663
AJ loses the ball and it goes over midcourt - this is just some crazy stuff today Beautiful give and go between Woods and AJ, plus a foul! |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 04:13 PM - Post#270664
#%$@. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
12-31-18 04:14 PM - Post#270665
<#%$@. Agreed. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3058 |
12-31-18 04:15 PM - Post#270666
5th missed FT of the OT period for AJ and another inside shot by Salnave. Penn is going to need a miracle for this one. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
12-31-18 04:17 PM - Post#270668
5th missed FT of the OT period for AJ and another inside shot by Salnave. Penn is going to need a miracle for this one. And we come up just short. Oy. Saturday is going to be a rockfight. See you guys in Jersey. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3058 |
12-31-18 04:18 PM - Post#270669
I know the calendar says it will be 2019 in a few hours, but I feel that game was played in 2015. The trainers are going to have to put in some extra hours to get Mike and Max back for Saturday (and AJ will need to spend some extra time at practice shooting FT). |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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12-31-18 04:19 PM - Post#270670
I'm going to have to lean more in Chip's direction on this one. I don't care who's missing, those guys were 0-12, and Devon and Jake should be able to play better than that. Not to mention, when is AJ going to learn to shoot free throws, already?
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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12-31-18 04:19 PM - Post#270671
<#%$@.
Agreed. You’re being too critical. We were down 3 starters and took “the best 0-12 team in the country†to OT. Moral Victory! |
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10Q Professor Posts 23405 |
12-31-18 04:20 PM - Post#270672
Worst game ever. |
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Penn7277 PhD Student Posts 1365 |
12-31-18 04:23 PM - Post#270673
I am so sick of missed foul shots. If he hits just 40% of those, we're at least in double overtime. Unbelievable!! No, I take that back very believable. |
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Penn7277 PhD Student Posts 1365 |
12-31-18 04:41 PM - Post#270679
I'm also sick of missed breakaway layups. |
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Stuart Suss PhD Student Posts 1439 |
12-31-18 04:50 PM - Post#270681
I believe the rules allow you to pass the ball on a fast break. You are not obligated to selfishly take the ball to the basket yourself and (1) miss the layup or (2) have your shot blocked or (3) attempt a circus shot to avoid having your shot blocked. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8260
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12-31-18 05:45 PM - Post#270686
Honestly, you could see this one coming a mile away. Monmouth was a lot better than their record. They have 3 quality starters and a bunch of role players and they are pretty deep. Ask Yale about them. Penn had lost the services of 5 of their top 8-9 players if you count everyone. 3 of 7 if you don't count Jelani & Ryan. On top of that the shooting was awful - inside, outside and FT. As was pointed out above, Penn lost this one at the FT line - at least 7 points were left there. We all knew this would happen sometime. Be glad this was against Monmouth and not Dartmouth. Note that Kuba got extended minutes. If there was ever a game for him to step up, this was it. Jarrod was better on D, but Kuba making more than one of those open 3's (not to mention a few others he was wide open for) would have likely won this thing. Shout out to Jake. came back after what was likely a bloody broken nose with cotton stuffed up both nostrils and made some nice hustle plays few noticed. As for Wang. I'm not as optimistic as others. That boot he was wearing tells me the best we can hope for to have him play effectively is likely the 2nd PU game. Tyler should be back sooner. We could have used him today as well. |
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Jay O Masters Student Posts 547 |
12-31-18 06:20 PM - Post#270688
Honestly, you could see this one coming a mile away. Just make sure not to say anything about it if you do see it while a mile away, right Chip? |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3588 |
12-31-18 06:43 PM - Post#270692
As for Wang. I'm not as optimistic as others. That boot he was wearing tells me the best we can hope for to have him play effectively is likely the 2nd PU game. Tyler should be back sooner. We could have used him today as well. Having a boot on your foot after turning an ankle is standard procedure. Last year Darnell wore a boot out of the locker room after almost every game. That has nothing to do with the severity of the injury. The boot promotes stability and faster healing, no matter the seriousness. I would be surprised if Mike doesn't play the home Princeton game and more than likely this Saturday @Princeton. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8260
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12-31-18 08:10 PM - Post#270701
PF10- I think we are in agreement here. We may see mike on the floor next week but he won’t be 100% by any stretch. My guess is that we will be far more mobile for the second PU game. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 08:49 PM - Post#270705
When my boychick alerted me to Wang on the court being in street clothes even before we found our seats, my already knowing that Max wasn't playing led me to say, "[Boychick], I expect us to struggle today". This was the perfect storm of the worst kind. We just could not finish easy shots throughout the game, and even when drawing fouls on the finish had trouble converting when at the line. We had open threes the whole game and could not get any consistency there, either. Meanwhile Monmouth did a much better job of finishing-- made a variety of tough runners and a banked three that had to be seen to be believed. Said boychick spotted AJ committing a lane violation earlier in the 2nd half on a made Monmouth FT. Sadly, that would come back to haunt us. After AJ missed 4 straight FTs in OT, one of the very few misses from Monmouth (on a 1 and 1) was given a second try due to a Penn lane violation, and so naturally he made that one and the next. So we should have been up 6 with the ball in OT--instead, we let Monmouth right back in it. Meanwhile, Eddie Scott looks completely L-O-S-T out there. At one point he was even shrugging his soldiers when Donahue was looking at him. I'm trying to think of a single positive thing he did out there, and I'm coming up empty. Scott and Washington and Simmons all got caught defensively on switches, and we could never recover...Monmouth eventually got the right guy with the ball who had an easy, undefended trip to the hoop. Defensive rebounding--really, the whole team is guilty on this one. It never really stopped becoming an issue. AJ finally found his offensive form as the game wore on, but it took a while. We deserved this loss. Monmouth wanted this one more than us. Their players were getting to more 50-50 balls, their bench and fan section were animated. Finally, late in the game, AJ and Woods really bore down and played fantastic, but it was not enough.
Honestly, you could see this one coming a mile away. Just make sure not to say anything about it if you do see it while a mile away, right Chip? |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8260
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12-31-18 10:38 PM - Post#270710
Monmouth knew that AJ was Penn’s only reliable offensive option and their bigs made him work hard for everything he got at both ends. He played 40 minutes. By the end of the game, he was really worn down. I think this had something to do with the missed bunnies and free throws. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 10:47 PM - Post#270712
I saw it differently. At some point in the second half, Monmouth simply stopped doubling AJ when he got the ball in the post. AJ had his way most of the time down low when in single coverage. AJ was missing FTs early in the game too, so it's not like "getting worn down" has been an excuse for his misses. Also, Penn went from one of the most impressive OOC resumes in recent memory to one of the most high variance ones, all in a matter of 2 games. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
12-31-18 10:50 PM - Post#270713
AJ was indeed so important. There was a point, I think with about 8 minutes to play, when SD lifted AJ to give him a breather and inserted Scott and Simmons. I said there was no way that was going to last even 2 minutes. I was right--it only lasted about 1 minute or so in game time, although with a time out it was longer in real time. Defensively, we looked awful and as a team, completely out of synch when he was absent. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23405 |
01-01-19 08:59 AM - Post#270716
Am I the only one who had a Grumpy New Year? Trying to shake off this loss. It's only sports right? |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8260
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01-01-19 10:09 AM - Post#270722
Eyes on the prize Q. League play starts now. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23405 |
01-01-19 10:55 AM - Post#270723
I know. But was already plotting a high seed. |
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JadwinGeorge Senior Posts 357 |
01-01-19 11:32 AM - Post#270725
A healthy Penn team was better than Villanova, and not just in that game. A healthy Penn team wins the IL going away. I think the seeding decision will not be impacted unduly by the Toledo and Monmouth games. They won't help, for sure, but nobody will look forward to playing Penn with Max and Wang at full strength. Villanova's record will mean a great deal in the Penn seeding, Miami's too. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8260
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01-01-19 11:37 AM - Post#270726
Thanks George - It would be nice to add St. Joes and Temple to that list; not to mention a few wins against all the top 100 Ivy teams. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
01-01-19 12:13 PM - Post#270727
Am I the only one who had a Grumpy New Year? Trying to shake off this loss. It's only sports right? No, you're not. And it's not "only sports". It's Penn basketball. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
01-01-19 12:25 PM - Post#270730
I disagree on AJ penn nation. I saw him doubled consistently. I just can't decide if they played better defense than I expected or we just look completely lost thanks to injuries. I imagine it's a bit of both. I, too, am not over this one. I had forgotten about the lane violation on the missed one and one. You can't just give possessions away and what they do at the line is unacceptable. How AJ can look so smooth at the line on one trip and so awful the next 4 is beyond befuddling. Is it all about being tired? There has to be a way to compensate. I echo what others said about it feeling like 2015 with the missed layups and terrible 2-1 decisions. Like streamers, I also want to call out Jake. He was really slow to get off the court and for him to come back with a new jersey and gauze up the nose says everything about him and this team. Saturday is going to be quite a battle...The line is going to be quite interesting. |
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Penn7277 PhD Student Posts 1365 |
01-01-19 12:28 PM - Post#270731
I wonder if they have players practice foul shots when they are tired. Maybe that would be a good idea. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
01-01-19 12:31 PM - Post#270732
Q03: No doubt AJ was doubled for a large stretch of the game, literally as soon as he received the ball. But at some point in the later stages of the game, this stopped. That is when you saw AJ use a variety of moves against his man to score. He didn't have room to operate like that when he was doubled. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3588 |
01-01-19 12:49 PM - Post#270736
I wonder if they have players practice foul shots when they are tired. Maybe that would be a good idea. You can't seriously think this is a new idea right? I am pretty sure the team practices foul shots extensively, and in every situation. I am also pretty sure they make a much higher percentage of them in practice than they do in the games. Foul shots at this level is almost all mental. Some guys have the confidence they will make them all the time and some don't. When you are playing the 13th and 14th player off your bench for double digit minutes against an inferior opponent, things become a lot more equal and small things are the difference in a game. Like a missed breakaway layup, a lane violation on their only miss at the FT line, Shooting 45% from the line when your season average is 55%, going 1-6 from 3 when you're sole purpose for playing to make 2 of 5, leaving your feet as an on ball defender so the opponent can draw a foul, etc, etc, etc. Any one of these mistakes was the difference in the game when the margin was so thin. |
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Penn7277 PhD Student Posts 1365 |
01-01-19 02:16 PM - Post#270746
I don't know if they are doing it or not. Apparently, you do. So, maybe they should get a psychologist on the job, if they don't already have one. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
01-01-19 04:24 PM - Post#270752
Obviously the results aren’t what anybody would like. However, the idea that they aren’t doing things that I do coaching low level rec league youth basketball is kind of hard to believe. I am sure that the staff both tries to build muscle memory through repetition when not under duress and then does things that create fatigue and pressure to try to simulate doing it under game conditions. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3588 |
01-01-19 04:38 PM - Post#270756
I don't know if they are doing it or not. Apparently, you do. So, maybe they should get a psychologist on the job, if they don't already have one. https://pennathletics.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1952&... |
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gopenngo Masters Student Posts 487 |
01-02-19 01:22 AM - Post#270792
He has a private business in Manayunk, which is down by the river. Yeah, just fire this guy and bring in Matt Foley for a fraction of the cost. And the results wouldn't be any worse. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
01-02-19 08:10 AM - Post#270793
My observation from afar is that this is having a big positive impact. We have a team that hasn’t panicked in the face of all sorts of adversity. We have individual players who have done the same. They’ve changed the culture and attitude significantly. Hasn’t solved the free throw shooting, obviously, but I wouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Unless the replacement would fall through tables at the end of motivational speeches. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23405 |
01-02-19 08:51 AM - Post#270795
Let's get back to winning. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3058 |
01-02-19 09:40 AM - Post#270797
Here is an article from today's Asbury Park Press about Kasey Chambers, former Penn women's captain/starting guard (2015-2016 and 2016-2017) and present GW graduate assistant coach (2017-2018 and 2018-2019), who dealt with anxiety and panic attacks throughout her collegiate career. https://www.app.com/story/sports/high-sch ool/baske... Joe Dowling, who is discussed and quoted in the article, appears to have been a big help in getting Chambers in a much healthier personal and athletic place. |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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01-03-19 04:51 PM - Post#271012
Here is an article from today's Asbury Park Press about Kasey Chambers, former Penn women's captain/starting guard (2015-2016 and 2016-2017) and present GW graduate assistant coach (2017-2018 and 2018-2019), who dealt with anxiety and panic attacks throughout her collegiate career. https://www.app.com/story/sports/high-sch ool/baske... Joe Dowling, who is discussed and quoted in the article, appears to have been a big help in getting Chambers in a much healthier personal and athletic place. This is a major testament to his abilities; as I think those who watch the women's team regularly will concur, I would never have guessed that she had ever had any problems with her confidence.
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
01-29-19 11:03 PM - Post#274100
For the record, Monmouth has 5 wins since this debacle. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
01-29-19 11:36 PM - Post#274109
Yeah, but still well beyond 300 on Ken Pom. Speaking of which, since I noticed this right away at the Monmouth game, made a note to comment on it on this board after the game (but completely forgot about it after that horrendous loss): Did you see who was on Monmouth's bench as an assistant coach? JR Reid. Yes, that guy. Now why in the world would he need this gig? Also can't help but remember Lefko giving him all he could handle, and more, in the first half of the '87 NCAA First Round matchup. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 
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01-29-19 11:38 PM - Post#274111
Ugh... what a brutal loss. I hate to tell you, but 5 more wins or not, they are 14 spots WORSE in KenPom since they played us. They are currently ranked 315, and their last game was a BLOWOUT loss at Niagara 75-48 and before that game Niagara was ranked 312 by KenPom. I took a quick look and this is the worse loss since Donahue’s first season 2016 when we lost to Lafayette away. It’s the worst home loss since Glen Miller was the head coach and we lost to Howard at the Palestra in 2008. 6 wins or not, this was a terrible loss and must be pulling down our advanced stats like a lead balloon. Let us never speak of it again. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
01-29-19 11:47 PM - Post#274112
3 of our losses are to Top 100 teams, 2 others to Princeton (#168)...and then, there's Monmouth. If we win those two overtime games, we're still in the running for an at-large bid, too.
Ugh... what a brutal loss. I hate to tell you, but 5 more wins or not, they are 14 spots WORSE in KenPom since they played us. They are currently ranked 315, and their last game was a BLOWOUT loss at Niagara 75-48 and before that game Niagara was ranked 312 by KenPom. I took a quick look and this is the worse loss since Donahue’s first season 2016 when we lost to Lafayette away. It’s the worst home loss since Glen Miller was the head coach and we lost to Howard at the Palestra in 2008. 6 wins or not, this was a terrible loss and must be pulling down our advanced stats like a lead balloon. Let us never speak of it again. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
01-29-19 11:54 PM - Post#274114
What does that say about the conference they play in...Wow. And to think I was still holding onto bitterness over Canisius. |
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LyleGold PhD Student Posts 1712 |
01-30-19 12:19 AM - Post#274122
Yeah, I recognized him right away. The head coach is King Rice, who was Reid’s teammate at UNC. He probably doesn’t really need the job, but wants to get into coaching with a friend to help him. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
01-30-19 05:57 PM - Post#274210
Yes, which gets back to your post about variance a while back. To me, if you take away the Monmouth game, we don’t look particularly high variance. But with that game in there . . . |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
01-30-19 08:00 PM - Post#274220
I mean, what other team can say it beat a Top 25 team, another Top 100 team (on the road), another team currently at 102....and lost, at home, to 315? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
02-07-19 10:01 PM - Post#275425
Monmouth just nipped Saint Peter's by 2. They are now 8-4 in their conference, tied for (gulp) first place. [1-12 OOC, but we're not touching that piece] |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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02-08-19 01:14 AM - Post#275437
And still KP 296... |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
02-08-19 09:52 AM - Post#275456
And still KP 296... Well, yes, but still a considerable improvement from the 350s when we played them in late December. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23405 |
02-08-19 09:55 AM - Post#275458
Friggin' Monmouth |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1173 |
02-08-19 10:03 AM - Post#275459
Friggin' Monmouth Friggin' Monmouth is the new Friggin' Canisius. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
02-08-19 10:47 AM - Post#275468
it's not that new though... what up, Chuck? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
02-08-19 10:49 AM - Post#275469
Friggin' Monmouth Friggin' Monmouth is the new Friggin' Canisius. To be fair, Canisius was far more damaging. That loss opened the season and cost us potentially a couple of more games in the pre-season NIT. Ultimately our NCAA seeding got capped due to this loss. In retrospect, the Monmouth game was not as significant due the 0-3 IL start and for sure the loss against friggin' Cornell. |
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Okoro Dude Senior Posts 309 |
02-08-19 02:53 PM - Post#275502
That Canisius team was so much better than this Monmouth team it's not funny. I'm pretty sure that team made it to the Garden for the NIT semis and beat a top 25 Cincinnati team during the regular season. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
02-08-19 03:01 PM - Post#275504
Guess who coached that team? [No peeking] |
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The Quad Sophomore Posts 137 |
02-08-19 03:04 PM - Post#275506
Trivia question: When Canisius upset a very good Penn team in the pre-season NIT, who was their then obscure head coach? BTW, enough about the Monmouth loss—Penn had multiple injuries and Monmouth was actually much better than their previous record and should have beaten Yale a few weeks before that. It’s not like losing to a Delaware State. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
02-08-19 03:14 PM - Post#275508
I beat you to the punch by 3 minutes on the question. |
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The Quad Sophomore Posts 137 |
02-08-19 03:24 PM - Post#275510
You did while I was going on about Monmouth. Great question—when we discuss the answer, in retrospect, mitigates the loss by just a little bit. So, after someone figures out the Canisius Coach, for the follow-up question: Who was Penn supposed to have played in the next pre-season NIT round---that team also got upset in the 1st round? |
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Penn7277 PhD Student Posts 1365 |
02-08-19 03:38 PM - Post#275512
I give up. Who was it? The coach and/or the next opponent. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3058 |
02-08-19 04:49 PM - Post#275513
The Canisius coach was John Beilein. Penn was supposed to play Syracuse in the next round, but Syracuse was upset by George Washington. That was a totally depressing loss at home to Canisius to start off Jerome & Matt's senior year. The ending, an OT loss to Alabama in the 1st round of the NCAA, was rough as well. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3779 |
02-08-19 07:35 PM - Post#275527
The loss to Alabama wasn't nearly as upsetting as the loss to Canisius. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-08-19 07:50 PM - Post#275530
This thirteen-year-old at the time begs to differ. I only had tears after one of those games. Though the Canisius one still sticks in my craw. I can remember exactly where I was listening to it on radio. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21214 |
02-10-19 02:35 PM - Post#275810
The loss to Alabama wasn't nearly as upsetting as the loss to Canisius. The Purim loss to Alabama was very upsetting at a very Penn fan friendly Baltimore site. We battled back to get it to OT. We basically ensured that Antonio McDyess would become a millionaire, however. Once again our outside shooting (Maloney) deserted us on the big stage. A normal game from him would have meant a victory. Jerome valiantly tried to keep us in it at the end of OT, but we just ran out of time....and out of time for this fantastic collection of Penn starters. They were good enough to win more than a single NCAA game during their stint. |
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