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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
02-22-19 12:29 AM - Post#277452
opens Penn -9. Yuck. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32849 |
02-22-19 07:07 AM - Post#277454
Can't really worry about anything now...just have to go out and win. |
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internetter Postdoc Posts 3400 |
02-22-19 08:18 AM - Post#277456
This weekend's games and perhaps another will be broadcast in Mandarin in China where there are hundreds of Penn alums and the family of the current player.
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internetter Postdoc Posts 3400 |
02-22-19 08:29 AM - Post#277458
https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/st ory...
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Streamers Professor Posts 8271 
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02-22-19 09:29 AM - Post#277463
opens Penn -9. Yuck. If they had done it by the numbers the way they often do, it would have opened at 11-12 and settled at 9, but Vegas has finally figured out Penn has trouble putting IL teams away. It also appears that they have dialed out the HCA based on record. PU, by contrast is laying the full 6 at home. |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214 
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02-22-19 07:55 PM - Post#277561
Women throttling Lions, lead 73-46 with 6 left.
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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02-22-19 08:19 PM - Post#277567
79-56 final for women.
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214
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02-22-19 08:33 PM - Post#277573
Princeton women almost screwed up a 15-point lead with five to go, but questionable tactics on the final possession by the Red allow them to escape by 4.
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-22-19 09:08 PM - Post#277583
Another cold shooting start for Penn. Down 6-2 at the first media timeout. The two points were on a pair of FTs by Washington. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-22-19 09:17 PM - Post#277585
A pair of three pointers from Ray Jerome off the bench and another by Woods gives Penn a brief lead. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-22-19 09:25 PM - Post#277587
A couple of nice moves in close by Wang gives Penn a four point lead at the under 8:00 media timeout. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-22-19 09:31 PM - Post#277589
Offense stalls out and gives up a 10-0 run to Columbia, now down 6 after a pair of three pointers by the opposition. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-22-19 09:31 PM - Post#277590
No offense at all. Getting beat on switches. No students except for the nurses. What happened... |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-22-19 09:35 PM - Post#277591
AJ hasn't scored yet. Columbia's not letting him get good position in the paint, and when he does, they're sending a double team as he goes into a move. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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02-22-19 09:37 PM - Post#277592
Some half by Jerome. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-22-19 09:40 PM - Post#277594
Seriously. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-22-19 09:43 PM - Post#277595
Up five at the half. Offense has got to be more consistent. Defense has been OK so far. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-22-19 10:05 PM - Post#277598
Slow start to the second half, too. Clinging to a two point lead at the first media timeout. AJ still scoreless. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-22-19 10:18 PM - Post#277599
Their inability to figure out these AJ doubles is astounding. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-22-19 10:19 PM - Post#277600
Second half has been miserable, including a flagrant foul on Goodman for getting tangled up with Adlesh trying to go for a rebound. The call was that he "hooked" Adlesh's arm; looked to me as if it should have been at worst a common foul. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-22-19 10:24 PM - Post#277601
I cannot believe this is how it might end. Steve has no answers. None. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-22-19 10:27 PM - Post#277604
Nothing's working defensively, and the offense is sputtering. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-22-19 10:35 PM - Post#277607
These refs are just horrific. Tape slips and walks and instead it’s ruled a jump. This whole half has been horrid and most times it’s the same official. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-22-19 10:37 PM - Post#277608
That was a terrible call. I shudder to anticipate how much worse tomorrow night's refs are likely to be. We're back within two. Need a stop here. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-22-19 10:38 PM - Post#277609
And he gets us again to maybe finish off the season. AJ reached but it’s a no call. Season on line. Can’t get a stop. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-22-19 10:44 PM - Post#277611
Two big baskets, including an and one by AJ. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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02-22-19 10:55 PM - Post#277612
A huge three from Dev. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-22-19 10:55 PM - Post#277613
Overtime again. Penn gets a basket from Woods and a three from Goodman, while Columbia goes cold. 1:16 left. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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02-22-19 10:57 PM - Post#277614
Oh for #%$@ sake Antonio. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-22-19 10:58 PM - Post#277616
Lets start chasing on d. Smart. Really smart. This is something else. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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02-22-19 10:58 PM - Post#277617
How is Vince calling that a shot by him? Just a total mental error. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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02-22-19 10:59 PM - Post#277618
What an awful play. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-22-19 10:59 PM - Post#277619
This is just so bad. So so bad. On so many ends. Two second differential and Dev takes the shot with 8 left. I can’t. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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02-22-19 11:00 PM - Post#277620
Dev fails to go strong. Can’t believe Stefanini didn’t get a shot up before the poke out of bounds. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-22-19 11:02 PM - Post#277621
Our season just ended on a designed coach’s play. Lol. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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02-22-19 11:02 PM - Post#277622
Deserved loss. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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02-22-19 11:03 PM - Post#277623
Did we succeeed defending even one of their baseline inbounds plays? |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-22-19 11:03 PM - Post#277624
There is no excuse for what we just witnessed tonight. NONE. It’s a #%$@ disgrace. |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
02-22-19 11:04 PM - Post#277625
Can we focus on next year now? It's unbelievable how many close losses this team has. Just don't play clutch bball. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-22-19 11:05 PM - Post#277626
The coach has no answers in close games. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-22-19 11:06 PM - Post#277627
We're done, sad to say. |
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 4000 |
02-22-19 11:06 PM - Post#277628
How can Penn not zone in the inbound play? |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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02-22-19 11:08 PM - Post#277629
In OT crunch time, Woods with a mental error and Goodman with a weak drive pretty much sum up this team’s problems. A.J. having a very poor game when doubleteamed for the most part didn’t help either. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-22-19 11:45 PM - Post#277642
I don’t even know where to start on that last minute. All of a sudden after playing great d they decide to chase shooters?? Of course that goofy dude hits another wide open 3. Then the turnover comes at the worst possible time but there were still only 2.5 separating the clocks. The decision was to fire up a prayer drive with 8 to go?! That’s the best the coach can come up with? Really? Sort of like AJ forcing a 3 at the end of regulation. This is really the best he could come up with?! I know I get on Tommy for end of game scenarios but Steve has not shown to be much better. To lose on an inbounds play is as bad as it gets. I guess were just done with the freshman after they carried us? A shame that Ray’s great game is now a lost memory. Hope everyone got their Big 5 champs shirt... How am I going to sell these tourney tickets. Maybe there will be resale value? Man this hurts. |
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Penn7277 PhD Student Posts 1365 |
02-22-19 11:56 PM - Post#277644
This has turned into a very disappointing season. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32849 |
02-22-19 11:56 PM - Post#277645
You know, after the Harvard game, when I had my heart ripped out, this was just the eagle pecking at my liver, like Prometheus. I will be regenerated tonight, just so it can happen again tomorrow. It is my fate. |
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Tiger69 Postdoc Posts 2816 |
02-23-19 12:36 AM - Post#277648
You are now experiencing the same frustration and disappointment that some of us Tiger fans felt about this time last year. |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
02-23-19 08:55 AM - Post#277653
You know, after the Harvard game, when I had my heart ripped out, this was just the eagle pecking at my liver, like Prometheus. I will be regenerated tonight, just so it can happen again tomorrow. It is my fate. Since I am not a Penn grad I don't live and die with the games like some of you. But I can feel your anguish. Makes no sense that the team can sweep the city series and be 3-6 in the Ivy. I know some are blaming the coach and he shares. But the players seem unable to make clutch plays. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3059 |
02-23-19 10:06 AM - Post#277657
Between the coaches or the players, I would put more if the problems on the players. There have been more than enough times since the Monmouth game where just one more basket, free throw or defensive stop would have switched a L to a W. With that said, sometimes it’s just not your year. These guys dealt with adversity and played over their collective heads in Nov & Dec, but the reality may have just caught up to them in league play. Princeton certainly experienced this last year. I guess an interesting thing is that Yale and Harvard have dealt with problems to their lineups and/or greater reliance on players they didn’t expect when seasons started and both have found ways to stay in the top half of the league. That is something for Penn and the other 5 teams to strive for over the next few years. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8271
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02-23-19 10:24 AM - Post#277658
I’m bring a fork with me to the game tonight. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 
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02-23-19 10:50 AM - Post#277662
Still traveling abroad so wasn’t able to watch live (just followed on ESPN Gamecast). No need to state the obvious of the disastrous outcome though it leads to bigger questions. On the smaller scale of this game, can someone explain to me why Mike Wang and Bryce Washington played so little? In the stats it doesn’t look like Bryce did anything too bad besides miss his first couple 3s and got 7 mins. Was that a move to save him more for tonight or just a case of Coach Donahue not liking what he saw? On Mike Wang his numbers seem even better scoring 5 points in 10 mins? |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-23-19 10:50 AM - Post#277663
The fork was delivered last night. I just don't see how we succeed when Washington can't make a shot from the floor and we don't get a significant contribution from Wang. As far as the bench goes, Silpe played his guts out last night and Ray Jerome had the game of his career, but other than Wang's five points we got nothing at all from any reserve player who isn't a guard. None of those guys played a single minute. I don't see how we win playing small. We got outrebounded again (36-33), gave up 7 offensive boards (though we did collect 8 on our end), and I'd love to see the +/- for last night's game. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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02-23-19 10:55 AM - Post#277664
Agree. But when Bryce and Mike play 7 mins and 10 mins out of 45, pretty hard to score a lot of points... Having not seen the game, that’s why I was asking above also why that was the case? |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-23-19 11:03 AM - Post#277665
Having watched the game, all I can point to is SD going with the guys he thought were playing well. He rotated AJ and Max as the bigs, which is most likely why Wang didn't play much (if at all) in the second half, and Jerome got the minutes Washington would have played. |
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Penn7277 PhD Student Posts 1365 |
02-23-19 11:09 AM - Post#277666
The other problem seems to me to be the strategy - take layups or threes. Last night, AJ could not get it going and the threes weren't falling. The threes often do not fall with this team. There really doesn't seem to be a three-point shooter that you can depend on every night. There ought to be a third option like taking some mid-range twos. The Quakers have been beaten by teams that do that, including Stefanini last night. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2140 |
02-23-19 11:37 AM - Post#277669
The other problem seems to me to be the strategy - take layups or threes. Last night, AJ could not get it going and the threes weren't falling. The threes often do not fall with this team. There really doesn't seem to be a three-point shooter that you can depend on every night. There ought to be a third option like taking some mid-range twos. The Quakers have been beaten by teams that do that, including Stefanini last night. Very good point. When the three point shots aren't falling, that allows defenses to pack the lane, which eliminates the back cuts we use to get other players those open lanes to the basket. End result is sputtering offense. P38, I'm with you on the Prometheus reference. My liver is almost finished regenerating, and I can hear the fluttering of eagle wings already. New day. New liver. New eagle. Same old same old. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-23-19 11:48 AM - Post#277671
No question we don’t have the bullets but when you start accumulating OT losses your end game scenarios need to be looked at. Last night was so bad. Betley looked good stroking threes in his jeans last night... Remember when we played our best ball 3 months ago? Seems the frosh were pretty integral. A lot has changed. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32849 |
02-23-19 12:16 PM - Post#277672
I think some Harvard fans might maintain that the Prometheus penalty is a result of getting the home court advantage last season in the playoff. Getting ready for some last gasp liver eating tonight....because, no matter how horrible this season has been, we almost certainly STILL get the 4th spot if we win out. So it will take a little more punishment before blessed relief. |
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Penn7277 PhD Student Posts 1365 |
02-23-19 12:26 PM - Post#277673
It also occurs to me that if the opposition knows that Penn only takes threes or layups, they may not be looking for mid-range twos. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8271
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02-23-19 12:41 PM - Post#277675
The fork was delivered last night. As P38 points out, we are not quite done yet. I'm still a little groggy from the 15 year old sleep-aid I needed after that disaster of a game and the nasty drive home courtesy of the hated Flyers. As for Bryce, after starting a proving he has also hit the wall, SD went with Jerome who clearly was playing and shooting better. Wang, for this part, was OK offensively, but a liability on a defense that was awful in stretches last night. SD clearly does not trust him in crunch time unless it's time to get him fouled. Beyond that, Silpe proved again that he is an improvement over Wang off the defensive boards. Part of the 4- guard thinking, I assume. We can only hope Cornell in general, and Morgan in particular left what was left of their shooting eyes in Princeton. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
02-23-19 01:35 PM - Post#277679
I think Defense has been an issue for both in Ivy play. That said, Defense was a strength for Bryce prior to Ivy play. Both guys defend well when we are playing athletes being athletes, and less well when things get a little more bogged down in the half court. However, while I was an early proponent (after the loss at Cornell) of playing our veterans more to try to play better Defense and have more poise late, I think we have now moved too far in the other direction. Last night, we played 3 seniors and 3 juniors when it mattered. While we played a stretch of good Defense there at the end of regulation and in OT, overall the results were the same — generally bad Defense and a seeming inability to play with enough poise to make that one play to get us over the top. Now that the season is precariously close to over, I would like to see us recognizing that these guys are our future and playing them more again. Bryce has hit so many big shots for us this year. In a tight one, I would have liked to see him out there with a chance to hit a dagger shot. That said, I loved seeing Ray Jerome play the way he did. I think he was playing a little bit of the Caleb Woods role on offense, which was interesting. Reinforcements are coming with injured returnees and recruits next year, but I think Ray should be in the conversation about who will get playing time at guard when Woods and Silpe graduate. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
02-23-19 04:14 PM - Post#277689
Everything else aside can someone please help me understand what Dev was doing taking that shot with a full 8 seconds left and 5+ on the shot clock? Was that when he was told to drive? If the plan is to just throw up a prayer you absolutely cannot let the opponent get it back with a full 7 seconds. And I won’t bring myself to watch it, but was it Antonio who lost his man on the layup? Sigh. This should have been the most important game of the year tonight. Up 5...I will not get over that d possession that let it get to 2. They just stopped doing everything that had worked the prior 6. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32849 |
02-23-19 04:35 PM - Post#277694
Antonio had played a great game until OT, but his turnover with the 2 point lead with 40 seconds left was something a freshman should never never commit, much less a 5th year senior. He simply gave it up for a length of the court easy layup and a tie. He then lost his man on the final play. I love him, but he cost us this game. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
02-23-19 04:52 PM - Post#277697
AJ missed a bunny in OT, Dev took an early shot and missed, we lost Ellis in rotation for an open 3. Lots of errors in OT to point to just one guy. |
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02-23-19 05:08 PM - Post#277698
AJ missed a bunny in OT, Dev took an early shot and missed, we lost Ellis in rotation for an open 3. Lots of errors in OT to point to just one guy. Agreed. The fact that, in our own building, the last place team in the league was even in the game made this loss a total team effort. While any one of those players could have won the game for us, no single player cost us the game.
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32849 |
02-23-19 05:57 PM - Post#277705
You two know better---and are just saying the old line about winning and losing being a team effort. Of course it is. But the reason last year's team won was that its seniors stepped up and didn't make the mistakes Antonio made last night when the game was in our hands. No one has been more of an Antonio fan than I. But you cannot deny what we saw. At crunch time, last year, Foreman made the plays. This year, we are not getting them. Of course, the loss of Betley (and to a lesser extent, I believe, Jelani) took away a huge amount of room for error. But still, we cannot lose a 6 point lead and a 5 point lead at home with a minute to go. The seniors must step up. And we have to be honest about it when they do not. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
02-23-19 06:02 PM - Post#277706
The final play call was Dev and AJ not Antonio. Last year it would have been Darnell. SD believes in Dev more than AW. I agree AW has to own this. I’m sure he does. This last place team was a miracle 3 away from winning at Harvard |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32849 |
02-23-19 06:09 PM - Post#277707
Harvard is equally crippled by injury---but they have not lost the close ones. That's the difference between the good teams and the bad ones. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
02-23-19 06:14 PM - Post#277708
Or they have Bruce Aiken and we don’t. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3589 |
02-23-19 06:15 PM - Post#277709
My point was Columbia and Dartmouth are not the normal last place teams. Maybe we are. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21225 |
02-23-19 08:05 PM - Post#277726
It's more frustrating than that. Princeton went a total of 2-4 in OT games last year. Most of Princeton's other Ivy games were easily decided in one way or another. Already, Penn is 1-4 in OT games this year with 4 games yet to play. Just about every Ivy league loss has come via OT and/or a complete breakdown after a late Penn lead or the game tied,
You are now experiencing the same frustration and disappointment that some of us Tiger fans felt about this time last year. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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02-23-19 08:09 PM - Post#277728
I think Defense has been an issue for both in Ivy play. That said, Defense was a strength for Bryce prior to Ivy play. Both guys defend well when we are playing athletes being athletes, and less well when things get a little more bogged down in the half court. However, while I was an early proponent (after the loss at Cornell) of playing our veterans more to try to play better Defense and have more poise late, I think we have now moved too far in the other direction. Last night, we played 3 seniors and 3 juniors when it mattered. While we played a stretch of good Defense there at the end of regulation and in OT, overall the results were the same — generally bad Defense and a seeming inability to play with enough poise to make that one play to get us over the top. Now that the season is precariously close to over, I would like to see us recognizing that these guys are our future and playing them more again. Bryce has hit so many big shots for us this year. In a tight one, I would have liked to see him out there with a chance to hit a dagger shot. That said, I loved seeing Ray Jerome play the way he did. I think he was playing a little bit of the Caleb Woods role on offense, which was interesting. Reinforcements are coming with injured returnees and recruits next year, but I think Ray should be in the conversation about who will get playing time at guard when Woods and Silpe graduate. Completely agree and that’s why I was asking about their time. Hopefully different today. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
02-24-19 12:42 AM - Post#277781
I haven’t watched either play again, and we now have a win to replace the memory, but . . .. On AW’s turnover that led to the Barba score, while obviously AW should shoulder some blame, I thought that was a weird breakdown defensively on the run out that either results from very bad spacing on offense or from a lack of effort on defense. Where AW lost the ball, it shouldn’t result in an easy layup for the guy who took the ball away. And on the inbounds, didn’t somebody fall down? Was Ellis even Woods’ guy? He got beat at the end, but it appeared that other things went wrong before that, and we were kind of scrambling. |
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