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Eric Von Zipper
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03-13-19 12:04 PM - Post#281011    

Yale -150
Pennsylvania +300
Harvard +320
Princeton +750
palestra38
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03-13-19 12:05 PM - Post#281013    

Penn is favored over Harvard?????
mrjames
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03-13-19 12:18 PM - Post#281020    

I tried to tell folks this but got treated like I had lost my mind.
1LotteryPick1969
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1LotteryPick1969
03-13-19 12:56 PM - Post#281028    

Imagine if the tournament were still at the Palestra.
palestra38
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03-13-19 01:05 PM - Post#281029    

Don't worry---that isn't going to happen for another 7 years. I'm looking forward to that pure basketball atmosphere when it is at Jadwin.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
03-13-19 02:18 PM - Post#281045    

  • mrjames Said:
I tried to tell folks this but got treated like I had lost my mind.



Weird. I still look at Penn as the underdog even if we are a few points higher in KP. Harvard beat us 2X and finished as a co-champion, we snuck into 4th. I’m hopeful, but still from a mindset of an underdog regardless what Vegas thinks.
penn nation
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03-13-19 02:43 PM - Post#281055    

Is Bryce (ours, not theirs) going to play meaningful minutes? Sure would be nice to have a reliable option from distance. When on, Bryce is a game changer and without Wang we don't have a ton of great shooting options.
SRP
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03-13-19 05:39 PM - Post#281125    

A great opportunity to shock the world.
penn nation
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03-13-19 05:45 PM - Post#281126    

Yes, your female POY makes an emergency appearance off the bench and allows the male Tigers to beat the spread at the buzzer.
SRP
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03-13-19 06:01 PM - Post#281132    

There's no way Yale doesn't come in feeling cocky for this first game, no matter what the coaches say and whatever the players say in public. That will be favorable for a Tiger squad that I expect to come in with an intent to play physical basketball, unlike the sleepwalking effort of the last game.
palestra38
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03-13-19 06:03 PM - Post#281133    

Question is whether Princeton at this point has enough athleticism left to stay with Yale. That is what looked absent this past weekend, not that they were sleepwalking. But it would be really interesting if they can make it a game.
SRP
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03-13-19 06:06 PM - Post#281134    

Yale guys were diving for loose balls, Princeton guys were bending over. On offense, players were standing around. It was not a good look.
penn nation
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03-13-19 06:11 PM - Post#281136    

I watched the Brown-Princeton game. It was not a good look for the Tigers.
LyleGold
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03-13-19 07:12 PM - Post#281145    

  • Mike Porter Said:
Harvard beat us 2X and finished as a co-champion, we snuck into 4th.



Hold on, Harvard pulled out a miraculous OT win in one of those. Second, we are entering the tournament on a three game winning streak - all of which were elimination games that simulate the dynamics of a tournament. One of those was a blowout of top seeded Yale who was battling for the title. That is not exactly sneaking in like it would have been if there was a 3-way tie at 6-8, which was a possibility. Finally, Harvard just lost to Cornell in a game where it was also battling for the title and finished the year with yet another OT victory over the seventh place team who barely missed a game winner at the buzzer. When you consider our OOC record, this may be a bit surprising, but not a shock.

1LotteryPick1969
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1LotteryPick1969
03-13-19 07:47 PM - Post#281150    

  • palestra38 Said:
Don't worry---that isn't going to happen for another 7 years. I'm looking forward to that pure basketball atmosphere when it is at Jadwin.



I meant no disrespect to the Palestra.

Nor was an atmospheric reference.

By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.04% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases. Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1% at sea level, and 0.4% over the entire atmosphere.

Just referring to the home court advantage.


LyleGold
PhD Student
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03-13-19 08:45 PM - Post#281173    

I think he meant that Princeton fans just blow a lot of hot air.
umbrellaman
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umbrellaman
03-13-19 09:11 PM - Post#281184    

I dunno. Harvard was certainly a bit enigmatic in the League but I don’t think the rating systems factor in that Aiken was out gor the OOC schedule.
umbrellaman
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umbrellaman
03-13-19 09:16 PM - Post#281186    

Yale handled Princeton fairly comfortably even with Cannady playing 34 minutes. Schweiger played a lot for Stephens with foul trouble. So, I agree that athleticism will be an issue. Henderson is gonna have to come up with something different.
jeromelh
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03-13-19 09:43 PM - Post#281199    

I don't believe that athleticism is the issue. For Princeton, the 3 point shots have to fall. The Tigers are dead last in the Ivy League 3 point percentage.

Does anyone have any news on Schwieger?? He hasn't played in the last few games.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
03-13-19 11:55 PM - Post#281226    

  • LyleGold Said:
  • Mike Porter Said:
Harvard beat us 2X and finished as a co-champion, we snuck into 4th.



Hold on, Harvard pulled out a miraculous OT win in one of those. Second, we are entering the tournament on a three game winning streak - all of which were elimination games that simulate the dynamics of a tournament. One of those was a blowout of top seeded Yale who was battling for the title. That is not exactly sneaking in like it would have been if there was a 3-way tie at 6-8, which was a possibility. Finally, Harvard just lost to Cornell in a game where it was also battling for the title and finished the year with yet another OT victory over the seventh place team who barely missed a game winner at the buzzer. When you consider our OOC record, this may be a bit surprising, but not a shock.




Trying to get the reverse jinx going here Lyle, work with me..... haha

Tiger69
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03-14-19 12:30 AM - Post#281233    

Spoken by the Master
Tiger69
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03-14-19 12:45 AM - Post#281236    

The Yale home crowd will be pulling for Penn against the cantabs. I must admit, sadly, that Princeton’s only chance would be if the entire Bulldog farm came down with the flu. At 0-4 vs hY Princeton really doesn’t belong in this tournament. Penn, at 7-7, doesn’t either. But, with one Y win and a h scare, they at least have an outside chance. Grim day for Ivies if either of the Ps sneak through and win the tournament.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
03-14-19 01:35 AM - Post#281238    

A lot of upsets would have to happen and it’s a real long shot in general, but honestly a Penn vs. Princeton IvyMadness Final @Yale would be quite entertaining.
westcoast
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03-14-19 01:43 AM - Post#281239    

Good three point shooting would really make a big difference for Princeton. The Tigers have only shot at 35% or better on threes in 1 game out of the last 19 (over Columbia 79-61, when they shot 12-26).
LyleGold
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03-14-19 06:21 AM - Post#281240    

  • Mike Porter Said:


Trying to get the reverse jinx going here Lyle, work with me..... haha




Oh, gotcha. For us, however, all we have to do is say kanehora, throw salt over our shoulders, and spit to both sides - directly in Bryce Aiden's face if possible!

LyleGold
PhD Student
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03-14-19 06:39 AM - Post#281241    

  • Tiger69 Said:
At 0-4 vs hY Princeton really doesn’t belong in this tournament. Penn, at 7-7, doesn’t either.



So, 69, by that logic you're saying the tournament shouldn't exist at all and instead, there should be a tiebreaking playoff between H-Y. What a novel idea!
mrjames
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03-14-19 06:56 AM - Post#281243    

Not grim at all. Both Penn and Princeton have Tier I wins. Everyone in the Ivy Tourney has a better top-end resume than last year. Grim was last year, where anyone that won the tourney was at risk for a 16.
bradley
PhD Student
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03-14-19 07:58 AM - Post#281249    

You just do not understand. It was just merely a case of "bad luck" or the Basketball Gods that the two Ps finished at 7-7 and 8-6. They were really very good consistent teams but the rims were just unkind.

It really does not matter if you have no interest in Ivy Madness as to the outcome of this weekend one way or the other. At least, the weather forecast sounds good.
palestra38
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03-14-19 09:01 AM - Post#281253    

I think that if Princeton had beaten Yale on Sunday (and still finished 2nd behind Harvard), you would be singing a completely different tune. It's not so much the fact of the tournament as the fact that you aren't confident of your team's performance.

The tourney is here. Saying it doesn't matter because you think Princeton will lose is not sporting.
bradley
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03-14-19 09:14 AM - Post#281256    

Wrong as usual. What was stated this morning was stated weeks ago, last year and prior to last year. It is not very complicated to stay consistent with your beliefs vs. floating beliefs.
palestra38
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03-14-19 09:15 AM - Post#281257    

Floating beliefs = Recognition of Reality
bradley
PhD Student
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03-14-19 06:11 PM - Post#281361    

Do me a favor and think logically for a moment -- if someone did not watch a single moment of IvyMadness when the Tigers were 14-0, a single moment when the Tigers were not in the tournament and plans on not watching a single moment when the Tigers are a #3 seed, your comment that the reason for someone not watching this weekend is a function that the individual is afraid or concerned that his/her team will lose this weekend. Huh?

How about, one simply does not care about IvyMadness

Interesting that you would draw that type of conclusion -- inaccurate as it may be.
palestra38
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03-14-19 07:12 PM - Post#281368    

I didn't say anything about watching. I said you would have interest if you thought they had a chance. And to deny reality makes you little more than Don Quixote.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
03-14-19 07:28 PM - Post#281370    

Are you saying you didn’t watch the tournament when they we 14-0 and aren’t watching this weekend?

Or are you using a hypothetical scenario?
bradley
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03-14-19 09:27 PM - Post#281384    

You can get your answer if I watched the games for the initial IvyMadness by looking at page 7 of 54 on the Princeton forum and turn to the Penn game - pages 3 and 4. On the 5:42pm entry, I asked the gracious SRP if "the ESPN commentators made any comments regarding the idiocy of IvyMadness".

Obviously, it was very disappointing not to watch one of my all time favorite Tiger teams complete the undefeated season but I could not watch something that I feel strongly about although each person has the right to decide what is right or wrong for them.

We have made it a family tradition to go skiing on IvyMadness weekend and now, we do not look at the scores until having a drink at the bar and it works great for us.

I am sure that you asked the question based on a sincere interest in understanding why someone may feel different than you.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
03-15-19 12:15 AM - Post#281401    

My sarcasm meter just exploded, but despite your final comment, I was actually just curious if you took your dislike of IvyMadness that far or just were creating a hypothetical scenario. I also read the thread very quickly at lunch so wasn’t that thorough.

Of course you’re free to do whatever you want, watch whatever you want, etc., so more power to you.

For me, life is too short to hate something as silly as IvyMadness, especially to the degree of depriving yourself of your fandom to prove a point to essentially... no one?

Sports fandom is about fun, about community, about diversion from daily grind, etc. You had a very good, undeafeated Ivy Champion team that you could have watched be the the first (and currently the only ever) 16-0 Ivy League team...

And from the outside where I’m sitting instead you basically said “Screw you Ivy League office! I’m going to punish you by not attending to support the team and not watching so I’ll miss out on some awesome Princeton Basketball games and 2X different types of championships in the same season. That’ll show you!”

For me as a Penn fan, if there are games, I’m watching. Even if we lose the Ivy Championship and play in CBI or CBT or whatever random tournament... I’m watching... because I’m a Penn fan and that’s what fandom is about.

Again, you’re free to do what ever you want, but if you’re a true, passionate Princeton basketball fan, then I genuinely just don’t get it and find it counter to being a real fan.



LyleGold
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03-15-19 08:52 AM - Post#281411    

  • bradley Said:
You can get your answer if I watched the games for the initial IvyMadness by looking at page 7 of 54 on the Princeton forum and turn to the Penn game - pages 3 and 4. On the 5:42pm entry, I asked the gracious SRP if "the ESPN commentators made any comments regarding the idiocy of IvyMadness".

We have made it a family tradition to go skiing on IvyMadness weekend and now, we do not look at the scores until having a drink at the bar and it works great for us.





If only our senior captain Matt Howard had made a stinkin' FT when we had your favorite all time team dead and buried, we could have ruined your ski trip. Or would you have simply shrugged it off as an abomination and maintained that the undefeated Ivy season was still intact? Even some Penn fans still cling to the belief that our entire '71 season remains undefeated since Howard Porter's signing with an agent led to Villanova vacating its NCAA run.

bradley
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03-15-19 09:11 AM - Post#281416    

Thanks for the note. We simply have different point of views but I can assure that life is just fine without watching IvyMadness. When the league becomes a 2 bid league not an imaginative one, I plan on watching IvyMadness.

For now, I simply hope that the two teams on both the men's and women's brackets that tied for the IL regular season win IvyMadness and represent the league. Obviously, I hope even more that the Tiger's women team wins IvyMadness. If any of the these four teams win, I will be rooting for them at the NCAA Tournmane or if they lose watch the NIT.

As to the regular steam of emotional rants and raves by some of your compadres on various forums, I simply do not care. I thought that they went to a school in the City of Brotherly Love.
umbrellaman
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umbrellaman
03-15-19 12:38 PM - Post#281472    

To each their own. I like staying out of the cold and intact knee ligaments, so I don't ski.

I've become a fan of IvyMadness - it has come at the right time where we all the programs are competitive.

The only thing I don't like is the lack of a neutral site. I guess the $$$$ aren't there for that, yet. I wonder if the rotating schedule will lead programs to try to sync their top of cycle with hosting their tournament.
gokinsmen
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03-15-19 01:03 PM - Post#281475    

To win this game, we need to make it as slow and ugly as possible. Keep it under 70.

I want to see a FT parade. I want whistles and foul trouble. I want the crowd bored and annoyed from all the bricks and stoppages of play. I want to see Morales and Johns end up with 3 steals and 4 fouls, getting all up in Oni and Copeland's business.

Yes, it's important for Schweiger to hit some 3s, but we can't win in a shootout. Gotta be physical and get the ball to Aririguzoh (or Myles) in the post. Make or miss, just use up the clock and make Yale work on both ends.
1LotteryPick1969
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03-15-19 01:09 PM - Post#281480    

Get the ball in to Aririguzoh early. When the double comes, skip to Schwieger or Desrosier. Late in the clock, Aririguzoh must come out to the elbow or higher to open up the basket to drives by Stephens, Llewellyn, or Schwieger. Catch to shoot on the three point line; no pump fakes. Shoot or get rid of it.
umbrellaman
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umbrellaman
03-15-19 01:21 PM - Post#281483    

Hmmm. Yale is a pretty good FT shooting team - the double bonus could kill us down the stretch. But they are pretty good three-point shooting team too, so my idea of deploying a series of junk zone defenses, switch from the 1-3-1, to a 1-2-2 matchup zone, box and one, and maybe even an amoeba might not be the best idea either. Ugly it up!
Chip Bayers
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03-15-19 01:26 PM - Post#281486    

Henderson in his press conference in the past hour or so said Schweiger is out, per a tweet from the Inquirer’s Jon Tannenwald (known hereabouts as DCAJedi).

umbrellaman
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umbrellaman
03-15-19 01:34 PM - Post#281491    

Oh well, dunno if Johns and Wright are up to it, but we gotta take concussions seriously.

Chip - are you sure he doesn't want the veneer of anonymity here?
1LotteryPick1969
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1LotteryPick1969
03-15-19 01:53 PM - Post#281495    

  • Chip Bayers Said:
Henderson in his press conference in the past hour or so said Schweiger is out, per a tweet from the Inquirer’s Jon Tannenwald (known hereabouts as DCAJedi).



Well, you just burst my little bubble of hope.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
03-15-19 01:55 PM - Post#281496    

Since he just recently asked someone on this site to not violate his employer’s copyright—and his livelihood—by posting full articles here, it’s a pretty thin veneer.

SRP
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03-15-19 02:06 PM - Post#281503    

Oh boy. No Schwieger is going to make this a lot more difficult. Does anybody know when/where he got concussed? This is a pretty long period out for a hoops player.

I agree that an ugly game favors the Tigers, but they will also need to find someone who can hit an outside shot and avoid live-ball turnovers to stay in this thing.
Chip Bayers
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Chip Bayers
03-15-19 02:17 PM - Post#281509    

  • SRP Said:
Oh boy. No Schwieger is going to make this a lot more difficult. Does anybody know when/where he got concussed? This is a pretty long period out for a hoops player.

I agree that an ugly game favors the Tigers, but they will also need to find someone who can hit an outside shot and avoid live-ball turnovers to stay in this thing.



I don’t think there are different protocols for different sports—now that there are some widely accepted standards in the sports medicine community, either you’ve passed the concussion recovery tests or you haven’t.

westcoast
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03-15-19 02:24 PM - Post#281510    

  • SRP Said:
Oh boy. No Schwieger is going to make this a lot more difficult. Does anybody know when/where he got concussed? This is a pretty long period out for a hoops player.


Schwieger took an accidental elbow to the face during practice before the final weekend of the regular season. The Tigers were hoping he would be back for Ivy Madness, but it looks like he is not ready yet.

SRP
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03-15-19 02:26 PM - Post#281511    

Ouch. Hope the kid who hit him isn't feeling too bad about it--that would be a tough one.
HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-15-19 02:27 PM - Post#281512    

What a shame. I'm sure his teammate feels horrible about this. Rough year for the Tigers in many ways.
gokinsmen
Postdoc
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03-15-19 02:51 PM - Post#281518    

Welp, so much for that. I actually think we had a chance with Schweiger healthy. But now, I doubt we have enough offense to break 60. What a freak accident and a bizarre season.

Things looked so promising after that ASU win and Penn sweep. Then we lose Devin. And then Schweiger comes out of nowhere to replace his scoring...then he goes down.

I just hope the guys relax and leave it all out on the court. Lose by 30, lose by 3, it doesn't really matter. Yale might as well be Duke against the team we're fielding tomorrow.
bradley
PhD Student
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03-15-19 02:56 PM - Post#281521    

He looked very groggy last Saturday night and had some difficulty moving around -- gingerly.
whitakk
Masters Student
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03-15-19 10:29 PM - Post#281589    

Sell out for defense, pray you shoot 12-25 on threes and try to win with 60 points? Hard to see another path to victory tomorrow...
TigerFan
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03-15-19 11:30 PM - Post#281596    

Next up: Sebastian Much?
whitakk
Masters Student
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03-15-19 11:36 PM - Post#281598    

He got killed by Reynolds last weekend, but he'll have to be part of the solution...
westcoast
Senior
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03-16-19 06:07 AM - Post#281602    

To have a chance, I think the three freshmen guards (Llewelyn, Wright, Johns) need to have big offensive games for the Tigers. They desperately need someone to hit some threes.



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