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20Penn14
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07-04-19 08:10 AM - Post#285582    

Otega Oweh 6'3 guard from New Jersey
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@OtegaOweh
Blessed and honored to receive an offer from the University of Pennsylvania!!

besnoah
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07-04-19 11:25 AM - Post#285596    

Oweh attends Rutgers Prep, which is also where Jonah Charles went to school.
penn nation
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07-04-19 11:41 AM - Post#285598    

This is personally very sobering. My boychicks are graduating high school in 2021.
20Penn14
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11-28-19 05:12 PM - Post#292605    

Avery Brown ‘22 adds an offer from the University of Pennsylvania HC Steve Donahue! #NMHandIVY #PENN #GoQuakers #GoNMH @_averybrown3

https://twitter.com/NMHbasketball/status/ 119986128...
OldBig5
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11-28-19 08:52 PM - Post#292617    

  • penn nation Said:
This is personally very sobering. My boychicks are graduating high school in 2021.



You're a youngin. My kids graduated college in 2008 and 2009.
besnoah
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06-16-20 12:55 AM - Post#309056    

Based on the Twitter activity today, it seems like this was the first time this summer teams could contact 2022s.

Here is the only offer I saw:

Jake Weingarten
Columbia and Penn offered four-star sophomore Jeremiah Bembry, he told @Stockrisers. Already holds several high-major offers, good student as well.

Here are the prospects I saw Penn was listed as contacting:

Masud Stewart (Neumann-Goretti - Guard)
Kaseemm Watson (West Catholic - Guard)
Samuel Gibbs (Stepinac - Guard)
Jameel Brown (Haverford - Guard, previously offered)
Riley Mulvey (Albany - Big)
Bube Momah (Andover - Wing)
Jayden Pierre (Elizabeth - Guard)
Elmarko Jackson (St. Augustine Prep - Guard)
Dereck Lively (Westtown - Big)
Jaden Ardline (Paul VI - Guard)
Kheni Briggs (A L Brown - Guard)
Alex Karaban (New Hampton - Forward)
DJ Nix (Cannonn - Wing)
Will Batchelder (Governors Academy - Guard)
Devin Dinkins (Gonzaga - Guard)
Skyy Clark (Brentwood Academy - Guard)
Tyson Thomas (Allentown Central Catholic - Guard)
Masai Troutman (St. Andrews - Wing)
Roddy Gayle Jr. (Lewiston Porter Senior - Wing)
Nate Brafford (Rabun Gap-Nacoochee - Forward)
Ben Roy (Manasquan - Guard)
Jaylen Martin (Florida State University School - Wing)
Chisom Okpara (Vermont Academy - Forward)
Ryan Curry (Montgomery - Guard)
Andrew Ball (Shawnee - Wing)
Mark Armstrong (St. Peter's Prep - Wing)
Peter Carey (NMH - Forward)
Jared Russo (River Ridge - Forward)
Matthew Filipowski (Wilbraham & Monson Academy - Center)
Ben Middlebrooks (Westminster Academy - Forward)
Gabe Moss (Hill School - Forward)


Condor
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09-29-20 09:40 AM - Post#314235    

Penn just offered 2022 6-2, 160 PG Mark Armstrong from South Orange, NJ. He has recent offers from Kansas, Auburn, Depaul, Stanford, Illinois, VCU, Creighton, & St. John’s, as well as Seton Hall & Rutgers last year.
besnoah
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09-29-20 10:15 AM - Post#314236    

Armstrong plays for Dana Dingle’s AAU team (NY Lightning) with Peter Carey (another Penn target).

In a recent interview he emphasized education and fit outside of basketball as key to his decision.

https://247sports.com/Article/Mark-Armstron g-baske...
AsiaSunset
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09-29-20 04:37 PM - Post#314246    

Add Christian Winborne
Penndemonium
PhD Student
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09-29-20 09:33 PM - Post#314259    

To the team commitments or to the recruit list?

AsiaSunset
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09-30-20 11:24 AM - Post#314273    

We offered
besnoah
Masters Student
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10-02-20 03:26 PM - Post#314482    

Missed this the other day, but Penn had a virtual meeting with 4* Jameel Brown (Haverford) on Wednesday. (Same AAU team as Hysier Miller, fwiw).
hoopsfan
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10-02-20 09:24 PM - Post#314523    

THE MILLER REPORT
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Oct 1
2022 @BurrsBasketball/@PhillyP rideAAU
(PA) F Nasir Griffin is currently in a Zoom meeting UPenn.
91Quake
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10-12-20 04:00 PM - Post#314794    

Some serious competition be we get a mention and get credit for the effort. From Adam Zagoria:

https://www.zagsblog.com/2020/10/12/jameel-bro wn-t...

Quakers03
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10-12-20 04:11 PM - Post#314796    

I'd imagine this is the one people are hinting at? That was indeed a nice mention. Hope the meeting goes/went well.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
10-12-20 04:15 PM - Post#314798    

I have no insider information on this, but no I don't think this would be recruit folks have hinted at in the 2021 thread. Brown likely wouldn't commit for a long while yet since he is a 2022. I suspect the hinted at recruit will be part of 2021 class.
Quakers03
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10-12-20 04:18 PM - Post#314799    

Sounds good to me. Interesting to see Temple involved too. It's important to keep local talent. How has Temple's recruiting been since Dunph retired?
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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10-12-20 04:24 PM - Post#314801    

  • Quote:
Auburn: “Their assistant contacts me every week just to check in. I love their fast play style. Also it’s a school down south with nice weather”



Yeah, not much we can do about that.
penn nation
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10-12-20 04:47 PM - Post#314802    

  • T.P.F.K.A.D.W. Said:
  • Quote:
Auburn: “Their assistant contacts me every week just to check in. I love their fast play style. Also it’s a school down south with nice weather”



Yeah, not much we can do about that.



You underestimate global warming.

T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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10-12-20 05:19 PM - Post#314805    

  • penn nation Said:
  • T.P.F.K.A.D.W. Said:
  • Quote:
Auburn: “Their assistant contacts me every week just to check in. I love their fast play style. Also it’s a school down south with nice weather”



Yeah, not much we can do about that.



You underestimate global warming.




By the way, is "Their assistant" Ira Bowman?
SomeGuy
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10-12-20 06:46 PM - Post#314806    

Did he say that the assistant told him he could secure a scholarship with a direct cash payment?
AsiaSunset
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10-14-20 06:13 AM - Post#314858    

Penn offer: Chisom Okpara
nychoops
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10-14-20 08:20 AM - Post#314868    

Great kid, very talented. It’s obviously early but I know he loves Vanderbilt
PennFan10
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10-14-20 12:44 PM - Post#314885    

  • nychoops Said:
Great kid, very talented. It’s obviously early but I know he loves Vanderbilt



Does he have a Vanderbilt offer? VC doesn't indicate it and I don't see any other indications.

AsiaSunset
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10-21-20 07:06 AM - Post#315158    

Offered Taylor Hendricks from Calvary Christian in South Florida
besnoah
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10-21-20 02:01 PM - Post#315167    

Rivals top 100 player with good ACC offers (Miami, FSU, UF, VA Tech).
91Quake
PhD Student
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10-21-20 03:24 PM - Post#315169    

Big athletic forward with a nice shot and touch in videos.

Penn first high academic school to offer and he cited academics as important when Adam Zagoria did a recruiting rundown with him not too long ago.
Quake Show
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10-21-20 05:08 PM - Post#315177    

I’m curious, can anyone provide some insight as to why we’re offering such high profile targets for 2022? Not that I’m against it, but is it really a realistic strategy?
PennFan10
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10-21-20 05:39 PM - Post#315180    

  • Quake Show Said:
I’m curious, can anyone provide some insight as to why we’re offering such high profile targets for 2022? Not that I’m against it, but is it really a realistic strategy?



Ask Tommy Amaker

Quake Show
Junior
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10-21-20 07:42 PM - Post#315189    

Well the obvious response to that is: Amaker actually lands these recruits whereas we don't.

With so many (non top-100) missed targets in the classes of '20 and '21 saying they prioritized schools that reached out to them a lot and were early offers, I just see this being an inevitably bad strategy. These kids are going to go to the ACC, then we'll offer others late, but Princeton/Yale will have already done so.

Not that I wouldn't want any of these recruits to join the program - that would be stellar - I've just watched this same process happen for two years now.
PennFan10
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10-21-20 08:20 PM - Post#315190    

So it only takes 2 years to land top 100 recruits? I know we definitely aren’t landing any if we don’t recruit them.
TheLine
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10-22-20 09:20 AM - Post#315206    

What's the harm in casting a wider net? You already have a 'No' if you don't recruit at the more talented end of the pool, why not try for a 'Yes'?

There would be harm if recruiting focuses primarily on kids that are unlikely to be recruited successfully, but I don't see any evidence that's happening. It certainly hasn't had an impact on Amaker's recruiting.


Silver Maple
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10-22-20 09:39 AM - Post#315211    

I guess that it could be a sap on resources. Recruiting is a pretty time-intensive endeavor, and the coaching staff doesn't have unlimited time. Any time they spend pursuing an unrealistic prospect is time they could have spent going after somebody gettable.

TheLine
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10-22-20 09:58 AM - Post#315214    

Well, yeah. But that doesn't seem to be the case. And if it was (and I'm not saying it is), then wouldn't that be a good argument to find a coaching staff more capable of juggling a larger number of recruits?

Buckeye Quake
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10-22-20 10:34 AM - Post#315217    


I'll second that suggestion!
SomeGuy
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10-22-20 01:55 PM - Post#315236    

Quake Show also appears to be presuming that we are waiting to offer gettable recruits until after the ungettable ones reject us. If that is the case, that could be a problem with the strategy. I doubt it is, though. I suspect we are recruiting on both tracks simultaneously.
besnoah
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10-22-20 02:17 PM - Post#315243    

I think asking why a staff that has had trouble successfully recruiting prospects who start off at a MM level before getting HM offers is now recruiting players with competing HM offers is legit.

Maybe they have information that certain players in this class are different or maybe they have a new strategy or fewer Allen-violation-related constraints, but as has been discussed somewhat endlessly here, the recruiting compared to other Ivies has not been as successful. They have successfully landed one player from this pool of players since coming to Penn (Brodeur). Hendricks and Armstrong are both at least one level above the players they’ve successfully recruited, I find it somewhat hard to believe the strategy will be successful.
SomeGuy
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10-22-20 05:08 PM - Post#315266    

Isn’t it exactly how Amaker started though? He didn’t just come in and immediately get a top 100 recruit. He got involved with kids that some on here were saying it was ridiculous to be recruiting. They went out of their way to make it public that they were recruiting these kids. If you notice, they’ve gotten much quieter about it since they started actually landing some kids with high major offers. The more you are publicly involved and on radar screens, the more you begin to get viewed as a real option.

I’m also not sure it makes sense to both complain about the level of recruits we’re getting, and to complain when we try for higher rated recruits.
besnoah
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10-22-20 07:15 PM - Post#315278    

I think that’s incorrect because it’s reductive of Amaker’s experience before arriving at Harvard, this staff is in its fifth year, and Amaker wasn’t losing tons and tons of battles for MM prospects who became HM prospects at the same time he was recruiting those kids.

To the extent I’m “complaining” it’s because I’m describing my perception that things aren’t going well in competing for prospects and I think this looks like an increase in the level of difficulty not obviously justified by the level of recruiting.
Jeff2sf
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10-22-20 07:23 PM - Post#315279    

yeah, i'm somewhere in the agnostic to skeptical bucket. If he had a new recruiter, maybe there'd be some justification, but to the extent that this is a new strategy (is it, or are we just hearing more?), why will he be successful? I'm much more of a believer in momentum than some of you in terms of recruiting being best in the first couple years you get the job or perhaps after some ncaa success (idk about that one). But whats the story he's pitching that is suddenly going to be successful when it hasn't been thus far?
mrjames
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10-22-20 08:10 PM - Post#315280    

Amaker’s first class at Harvard was a Top 25 class as rated by ESPN until Frank Ben-Eze decommitted. Max Kenyi was a fringe Top 100 guy but never really materialized.

Amaker’s 2009 class was a really good mid-major class and 2010 was when he missed on a couple Top 50 players and another player with all 3 going to Stanford and Vandy.

2011 was the first great class with a Top 100 player (Saunders).
AsiaSunset
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10-22-20 09:26 PM - Post#315283    

Penn just offered Desonte Brown from Worchester Academy
besnoah
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10-22-20 10:45 PM - Post#315284    

Desonte Bowen is another Top 100ish 4*. Brown previously offered.
AsiaSunset
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10-23-20 06:48 AM - Post#315285    

Wow. Did I really write Brown instead of Bowen? Thanks for the correction
PennFan10
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10-23-20 09:34 AM - Post#315287    

  • mrjames Said:
Amaker’s first class at Harvard was a Top 25 class as rated by ESPN until Frank Ben-Eze decommitted. Max Kenyi was a fringe Top 100 guy but never really materialized.

Amaker’s 2009 class was a really good mid-major class and 2010 was when he missed on a couple Top 50 players and another player with all 3 going to Stanford and Vandy.

2011 was the first great class with a Top 100 player (Saunders).



I guess it's a good thing Amaker didn't deem his efforts as futile and abandon his strategy of going after top 100 players after all those misses in his first couple years.

Silver Maple
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10-23-20 10:49 AM - Post#315291    

I assume the rational here is that, by simply being in the running with very hotly pursued high major prospects, it sends a valuable and persuasive message to the more realistic targets. Is this actually correct? I have no idea. I'm not in that business. But it's certainly plausible and, if that's actually what the staff is working toward, I hope it works.
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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10-23-20 11:13 AM - Post#315294    

Maybe it's even simpler than that? Namely, here's a high-academic kid who's also a stud on the court. Why not make a run at him? You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
mrjames
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10-23-20 11:23 AM - Post#315295    

This league has proven capable of landing ranked recruits beyond Harvard. Yale landed Bruner. Princeton landed Llewellyn. Even beyond ranked recruits, Ivies have been winning battles with high majors. This isn't a pipe dream anymore... it's been proven that Ivies can win these battles for the RIGHT prospects.
SomeGuy
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10-23-20 12:26 PM - Post#315301    

I’m also curious if this is somewhat indicative of how the recruiting process has moved up over time. When Donahue first started, going after some of these kids may have involved jumping in where others had been for a while. We may be bubbling up more because the staff has been in place for a while and has been on these kids from the start. Also, involvement starting earlier means that there may be fluidity in both directions as to who is a high academic recruit and who is a high major recruit. If you ignore high academic kids because you think they are going high major as a soph, and then for whatever reason that changes, you could get left out on players you should be involved with.
TheLine
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10-23-20 12:41 PM - Post#315305    

That makes sense, combined with lifting of restrictions from Allen.

I find it hard to believe Donahue isn't capable of making inroads with higher rated talent for any other reason. I can believe he isn't as successful at closing the deal as he could be, but not that offering a recruit who is a reach somehow gets in the way of him recruiting more gettable talent.

Silver Maple
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10-23-20 01:05 PM - Post#315313    

When it comes to the question of 'closing the deal,' let's bear in mind that recruiting is a team endeavor. It's not just the head coach or an assistant. There's a very broad team of individuals involved in the relationship with a recruit, and they come from all over the university. All of them play a key role in the task of gaining a commitment from a high school player. So, if Penn is having trouble landing desirable recruits, it's probably shortsighted to focus all the finger-pointing on the head coach.
besnoah
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10-23-20 01:12 PM - Post#315315    

My view is not that they should not be trying to do this or that it's any one person's fault. It's simply that--given the degree of success they have had so far recruiting in this pool and the pool just below it--this seems like a fairly significant change in strategy and it's not clear to me why we should expect it to be more successful.

I agree with the posited rationales for why a team would do this, I'm just not sure I find them persuasive in this context.
welcometothejungle
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11-12-20 12:30 AM - Post#316558    

https://twitter.com/Bompson3/status/13267 179319805...

Penn offered 6'7 Guard Blair Thompson from NMH this evening on a Zoom call with the whole staff. Looks like his first public offer that I can see from Verbal Commits/his Twitter
besnoah
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11-13-20 11:16 PM - Post#316716    

Looks like he reclassified after transferring to NMH from Xavier. Here's a highlight video from last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLaAE8mucoA
91Quake
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11-25-20 04:32 PM - Post#317304    

Penn makes Jameel Brown final five along with Temple, Marquette, Purdue, and Xavier. According to 247, he is ranked 122 in the 2022 class. He is a 6-3 combo guard from the Haverford School.

Hopefully, he decides to go high academic and local.
OldBig5
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11-25-20 07:26 PM - Post#317310    

  • 91Quake Said:
Penn makes Jameel Brown final five along with Temple, Marquette, Purdue, and Xavier. According to 247, he is ranked 122 in the 2022 class. He is a 6-3 combo guard from the Haverford School.

Hopefully, he decides to go high academic and local.



Yea, Temple would be a good choice.

Quake Show
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11-29-20 06:24 PM - Post#317434    

https://247sports.com/college/pennsylvania/ Article...


91Quake
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11-29-20 06:41 PM - Post#317435    

Hysier is blocking his way at Temple. But keep it local with high academics and he would still have the support system in place. And get to have the Palestra as his home court.
PennFan10
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11-29-20 08:43 PM - Post#317437    

I think Penn has a decent shot here. Nothing for sure but the Quakers are in the top 5 for more than sentimental reasons.
SteveChop
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11-29-20 11:24 PM - Post#317441    

At some point (it may be too early now), we need to look at what effect, if any, the one year Ivy hiatus has on recruiting.
Quake Show
Junior
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11-30-20 03:49 AM - Post#317450    

For some reason I posted this in the other thread, apologies.

To be fair, we made that top 5 after the Ivy decision, so I’m not sure it will have an effect on us - assuming a commitment comes before season’s end, and any of the other programs have an opportunity to demonstrate how great they are while we cannot.

The 2021 class is already set, and they would really only be deterred from playing at Penn by gap-years from the 2020 class reclassifying, but I find it highly unlikely that 1) this scenario happens and 2) this hypothetical shouldn’t affect the 2022 class
Penndemonium
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11-30-20 04:07 PM - Post#317489    

That is not our usual top 5 list, so that is great. I am glad to see that Penn showed love to a Philly player early, and that the recruit sees Penn as a great option for his athletic, academic, and future career. He definitely could be a real impact to the team and the league.
besnoah
Masters Student
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12-01-20 02:14 PM - Post#317507    

Nice piece from Josh, looks promising:

https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/...
nychoops
Junior
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12-07-20 12:33 PM - Post#317635    

Got a text saying Jameel Brown announcing this afternoon
besnoah
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12-07-20 01:48 PM - Post#317642    

The recruiting reporters at 24/7 are unanimously predicting Purdue.
PennFan10
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12-07-20 03:18 PM - Post#317648    

I do think this is between Penn and Purdue. Boilermakers are the favorite but the kid seems like a homebody so Penn has a punchers chance.
Penndemonium
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12-07-20 05:15 PM - Post#317660    

Man, it would be good on so many fronts for him to be in a Penn uniform.
penn nation
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12-07-20 05:21 PM - Post#317661    

When is the last time it came down to a Big Ten school and just us for a recruit?
OldBig5
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12-07-20 05:23 PM - Post#317662    

  • penn nation Said:
When is the last time it came down to a Big Ten school and just us for a recruit?


Never?

penn nation
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12-07-20 05:50 PM - Post#317665    

Well, no. Probably the most famous example is Jim Wolf, who chose Penn over hometown Ohio State which heavily recruited him.

But that was in the days where Penn had a nationally ranked program.
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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12-07-20 05:53 PM - Post#317666    

  • penn nation Said:
When is the last time it came down to a Big Ten school and just us for a recruit?


Does it count if the Big Ten school is Northwestern and the recruit is Andrew Coates?
borschtbelt
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12-07-20 05:56 PM - Post#317667    

It was Wolf's class that began the upswing. We were not good in the years just before he got there.
borschtbelt
Freshman
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12-07-20 05:57 PM - Post#317668    

I think NW withdrew the offer and Coates sued.
nychoops
Junior
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12-07-20 06:15 PM - Post#317669    

I’m pretty sure Chambers offered MLL
besnoah
Masters Student
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12-07-20 06:50 PM - Post#317674    

Brown to Purdue:

https://www.zagsblog.com/2020/12/07/2022-guard -jam...

Precisely the sort of prospect Penn has to land to achieve something more than an occasional Ivy title, IMO.
SteveChop
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12-07-20 07:06 PM - Post#317675    

I suppose we'll never know but I can't help but wonder if the chances of landing him would have been better if the Ivy League was participating in sports this year. Could he have thought there might not be BBall in 21-22 season as well?
penn nation
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12-07-20 07:09 PM - Post#317677    

I wondered about that, too.

But the fact that Penn made it to his Top Two when there were some other formidable contenders in that mix makes me doubt that factor as decisive, otherwise Penn doesn't even get that far into the process.
Penndemonium
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12-07-20 07:21 PM - Post#317678    

Such a bummer. When we hear about these decisions, we fret that athletes don't appreciate the Ivy basketball experience and that they don't understand the life opportunities from attending an Ivy. I think that's all true, but I think at the end of the day kids serious about their athletics choose programs and coaching staffs and teams they feel most comfortable and drawn to.
OldBig5
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12-07-20 07:55 PM - Post#317682    

  • penn nation Said:
Well, no. Probably the most famous example is Jim Wolf, who chose Penn over hometown Ohio State which heavily recruited him.

But that was in the days where Penn had a nationally ranked program.


Had forgotten about Jim Wolf. The one that crossed my mind was Corky Calhoun.
OldBig5
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12-07-20 07:57 PM - Post#317683    

  • Penndemonium Said:
Such a bummer. When we hear about these decisions, we fret that athletes don't appreciate the Ivy basketball experience and that they don't understand the life opportunities from attending an Ivy. I think that's all true, but I think at the end of the day kids serious about their athletics choose programs and coaching staffs and teams they feel most comfortable and drawn to.


Purdue is a a ver good school of course.

mrjames
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12-07-20 08:20 PM - Post#317684    

Yeah, the last time an Ivy League school outrecruited Big Ten schools for a player was all the way back in ... [checks notes] ... September. Of 2020.
Jeff2sf
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12-07-20 08:24 PM - Post#317685    

PN, first, i require a tweet from Harris saying we finished 2nd. Next, I think sometimes players adjust who finished 2nd based on what they think people wish to hear (ohhh he's so concerned with academics, he nearly went to Penn, etc.)

On the one hand, sometimes you have to have a couple near misses with top talent to then start winning the battles. OTOH, why did it have to be Year 5 before we started having these near misses?

We demand better, we deserve better.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
12-07-20 10:23 PM - Post#317692    

  • besnoah Said:
Brown to Purdue:

https://www.zagsblog.com/2020/12/07/2022-guard -jam...

Precisely the sort of prospect Penn has to land to achieve something more than an occasional Ivy title, IMO.



Sadly, I agree with this completely. Brown is EXACTLY the kind of recruiting target we have to land to get beyond fighting our way into the Ivy Tournament on the final weekend. He is close to home, loyalty is important to him, academics important coming from Haverford.

Never easy to out recruit P5 schools of course, but if I'm being honest, this is exactly the type of target Amaker and perhaps even Jones would have closed. If we can't land a kid like that, hard to see how we land some of the more difficult recruiting targets who maybe don't have as many checkboxes in our favor.

Missing locally on Miller for 2021 and Brown for 2022 is a huge bummer...

I guess I can go back to college basketball hibernation for a while.
welcometothejungle
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12-18-20 10:49 PM - Post#318124    

https://twitter.com/MulveyRiley/status/13 401107535...

Penn offered 6-10 2022 Riley Mulvey from St. Thomas More School this evening. He holds offers from Syracuse, Iowa, and Penn State, and also picked up an offer from Virginia Tech this week. Also has interest from Yale, Princeton, and some NEC/Patriot/MAAC schools
OldBig5
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12-19-20 11:12 AM - Post#318127    

Here is an article on him. Looks like he has been moving up the rankings quickly after a growth spurt.

https://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/2020 /08/...
91Quake
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12-23-20 09:57 PM - Post#318244    

Per Pat Lawless: Penn just offered Ben Roy, PG from NJ.
91Quake
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12-23-20 09:59 PM - Post#318246    

Actually looks like Trent Markwith should get the credit for the scoop.
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01-19-21 07:32 PM - Post#319534    

We offered another pg, Rowan Brumbaugh. He is among a number of NMH 22’s we’ve offered and like many of them, we are not alone
91Quake
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01-21-21 10:06 AM - Post#319582    

Penn one of four mentioned by Ben Roy per Zags blog:

https://www.zagsblog.com/2021/01/20/class-of-2 022-...
besnoah
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01-27-21 12:10 PM - Post#319815    

Taylor Hendricks talks about Penn (and many others) here:

https://basketballrecruit ing.n.rivals.com/news/tay...
91Quake
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01-27-21 04:03 PM - Post#319828    

He had a zoom call w H just last night.
20Penn14
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02-17-21 10:41 AM - Post#320870    

Isaiah Walker, 6'7 SF, has received an offer from Penn


https://twitter.com/isaiahWA7/status/1361 509664794...
AsiaSunset
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02-17-21 10:51 AM - Post#320872    

Isaiah Alexander
20Penn14
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02-17-21 11:10 AM - Post#320874    

You right. Saw the @isaiahWA7 handle and my brain autocompleted it.

besnoah
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02-24-21 09:03 PM - Post#321137    

Since we were talking about the 2022 offers in the 2021 thread over the past few weeks, I thought it was probably worth resetting the board there.

Known offers:

Mark Armstrong: Offers from Kansas, Louisville, UConn, Stanford, and Villanova since his Penn offer. I think the situation here is pretty clear.

Jeremiah Bembry: Doesn't have Armstrong's offer list, but seems to be a riser. Mentioned Penn positively in December here: https://stockrisers.com/s/259/new-jersey-nati ve-je...

Dasonte Bowen: Offers from Iowa, Rutgers, Miami, and Virginia Tech. No real recent updates.

Rowan Bumbraugh: NMH player, Wisconsin, Xavier, Georgetown, Harvard, and Wichita State offers. Didn't discuss Penn in January, says he wants a Northwestern offer: https://247sports.com/Article/Boston-Colleg e-Georg...

Ben Roy: Offers from Nebraska and Holy Cross. Mentioned Penn, Princeton (no known offer), Yale (no known offer), and Stanford (no known offer) in ZagsBlog post above.

Avery Brown: NMH player, Offers from Indiana, Kansas State, Nebraska, Mizzou, St. John's, PSU. I am under the impression that everyone thinks he's going high major.

Christian Winterborne: Offers from Northwestern (maybe he's taking Brumbraugh's spot?), Harvard, Nebraska, Xavier, Seton Hall, Howard, LSU. Talked about Penn in the abstract in December: https://stockrisers.com/s/236/four-star-junio r-chr...

Blair Thompson: Xavier, Columbia, and Harvard offers. Brief article post-Penn offer here: https://scoopmantv.com/2020/11/18/northfield -hermo...

Otega Oweh: Nebraska, St. John's, Howard, VT, Georgetown offers. Attends Blair (where Jordan Dingle went to school), previously attended Rutgers Prep (where Jonah Charles went to school). His older brother played DE at PSU and is in this year's NFL Draft. Did not mention Penn in this interview in January: https://www.tiptonedits.com/post/q-a-with-2022-fo u...

Chisom Okpara: Offers from basically every Ivy, Providence, Howard, DePaul, Seton Hall, Pitt, and Xavier. Did not mention his Penn offer in Feb, but did mention them as among the teams that contacts him the most: https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/rr-chisom-...

Isaiah Alexander: Offers from Mt. St. Mary's and Western Illinois

Taylor Hendricks: Memphis, FSU, UF, VT, Yale, Wake Forest and LSU offers. Mentioned Penn as very involved in the article above.

Riley Mulvey: Iowa, Syracuse, Yale, PSU, VT offers and Kansas involved. Penn gets mentioned as involved here, but there's no quote about them: https://247sports.com/Article/Basketball-re cruitin...

91Quake
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02-24-21 09:49 PM - Post#321139    

Thanks for the update. Good work.

Not to nitpick but it's Christian Winborne.

Brumbaugh just picked up a Wichita St offer so he can be a shocker (great nickname).

Also recruiting Tyler Hendricks.

Offered Mark Armstrong, who may wind up at Nova.
91Quake
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02-24-21 10:18 PM - Post#321140    

And forgot we offered 6'10" Peter Carey of NMH.
besnoah
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02-24-21 11:13 PM - Post#321141    

I'm blaming that one on Verbal Commits forgetting to list him, but I listed Mark Armstrong first!
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02-25-21 03:37 PM - Post#321175    

Thought the comment by Chisom Okpara that Penn is among the teams that contacts him the most was interesting in view of the recent discussion about why some feel that Penn is not doing a good follow-up job on recruits.
OldBig5
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02-25-21 06:47 PM - Post#321187    

Thanks for the thorough update.
AsiaSunset
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03-05-21 08:21 AM - Post#321362    

We offered 4 star Ryan Agarwal yesterday
welcometothejungle
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03-05-21 12:17 PM - Post#321403    

Agarwal has other Ivy offers from Harvard, Columbia, and Princeton, as well as high major offers from Stanford, Oklahoma State, SMU and Creighton. 6'7" and a lights out shooter, sounds like his recruiting is really ramping up
91Quake
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03-14-21 10:52 AM - Post#321968    

Per Jake Lieberman:

2022 prospect Ryan Agarwal announces that he will be committing March 16th at 3 PM EST.
besnoah
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03-15-21 12:27 PM - Post#322049    

This article suggests Agarwal will likely commit to Stanford:

https://247sports.com/Article/Cameron-Corhe n-Jeric...
besnoah
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03-15-21 06:42 PM - Post#322094    

Riley Mulvey to Iowa, per twitter.
welcometothejungle
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03-16-21 03:15 PM - Post#322133    

As expected, Agarwal has committed to Stanford

https://247sports.com/Article/Ryan-Agarwal- commitm...
mrjames
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03-16-21 04:46 PM - Post#322151    

Kind of player that could and should go Ivy, but not the way our league is currently constructed. No fault of Steve's losing out here.
PennFan10
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03-16-21 05:24 PM - Post#322157    

Not gonna help that Stanford played a season and the Ivy's watched. Certainly going to be used against the league in any battle that's close.
SteveChop
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03-16-21 05:51 PM - Post#322160    

Right there with you PF10 - I've been saying that since the Ivies wimped out on this season instead of TRYING to get something accomplished FOR THE STUDENT-ATHLETES. This is going to be biting us for a few years.
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03-16-21 06:20 PM - Post#322164    

Doesn't have anything to do with Stanford playing and the Ivy not.
PennFan10
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03-16-21 06:30 PM - Post#322165    

Maybe that's true in this case, I don't' have any idea. But anyone who thinks the low priority that is Ivy Athletics isn't gonna hurt us in recruiting battles is in a dream land.
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03-16-21 06:55 PM - Post#322171    

It’s possible. It’ll be tough to disaggregate though, because there will be a force helping the Ivies in this recruiting cycle (the number of scholarships available due to seniors returning and other transfers) and a force adding general randomness (not being able to travel and see/evaluate this class).

We might get away with it just given the general weirdness of the landscape right now.
91Quake
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03-20-21 12:16 PM - Post#322330    

Both Taylor and Tyler Hendricks committed to UCF.
91Quake
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03-21-21 03:58 PM - Post#322352    

Jameel Brown, who had been committed to Purdue, has re-opened his recruiting. Penn was in his final five along with Temple, Xavier, Marquette.
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03-21-21 04:14 PM - Post#322353    

Reel in Jameel.
Penndemonium
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03-21-21 04:31 PM - Post#322355    

He seemed like the reel deel for sure. Can the Penn even admit students off-cycle? I can't remember when the late round application dates are.

  • Kwaequer Said:
Reel in Jameel.



20Penn14
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03-21-21 04:42 PM - Post#322356    

Looks like he decommitted because Micah Shrewsberry, the assistant who recruited him, left Purdue to be the head coach at Penn St. Seems like he is looking at Penn St now

https://247sports.com/college/penn-state/Ar ticle/B...

From the article:
“I recently spoke with coach Shrewsberry and he wants me and I’ll always have that relationship with him, he said. “He was the main recruiter to get me to Purdue and he said he’ll always have a spot for me.”

“Our relationship has always been the same he was contacting me throughout my injury so he’s definitely loyal to me and he says I’m one of his priorities now too.”


TheLine
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03-22-21 10:13 AM - Post#322384    

Perhaps this will be the first time where we can benefit from a school name confusion.

OldBig5
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03-22-21 11:43 AM - Post#322390    

LOL. That is probably about the only chance. Can't see a guy who committed to a Big Ten School changing to go Ivy League unless the coach went there.
Jeff2sf
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03-22-21 01:52 PM - Post#322397    

wait hang on a second. You can just hire a hot assistant with local recruiting ties from a successful big time program and give him a shot??!!!
TheLine
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03-22-21 02:00 PM - Post#322399    

Te last time Penn tried that was with Craig Littlepage, amirite?

In retrospect it may not have been as bad as we thought back at the time.

It was 40 years ago so of course totally irrelevant.

OldBig5
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03-22-21 04:29 PM - Post#322408    

Maybe 50 years ago.
Penndemonium
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03-22-21 11:56 PM - Post#322423    

A similar strategy worked big time for USC.
91Quake
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03-24-21 08:55 PM - Post#322509    

We offered 6-9 F Braden Huff of Glenbard West HS in IL. Offers from Wisconsin, VT, Northwestern, Creighton.
20Penn14
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03-25-21 12:43 PM - Post#322522    

https://twitter.com/PatLawless_/status/13 748678320...

And Jameel Brown officially picks up an offer from Penn St
91Quake
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03-26-21 08:15 PM - Post#322559    

Penn offered 6-8 forward Alex Karaban yesterday.
nychoops
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03-29-21 12:58 PM - Post#322583    

Jabri Abdur-Rahim Will be transferring. Has ties to some current players... have heard Penn will reach out, He will be in high demand and no idea of Ivy transfer rules. Also believe they are involved in a big kid from the Baltimore area..I will try and track down name
Penndemonium
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03-29-21 01:04 PM - Post#322584    


Either Huff and Karaban would make a huge difference in the ivies. Both of their videos looked very good, especially for sophomores. Both would work really well in a Donahue scheme.

Too early to get my hopes up.
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03-29-21 01:48 PM - Post#322587    

For what it's worth Karaban is from AJ's hometown of Northboro, MA.



PennFan10
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03-29-21 02:49 PM - Post#322589    

And Huff plays for the same AAU team as Max R. Same team Louis Lesmond (Harvard) played for as well.

Lets get both these guys!
Penndemonium
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03-29-21 04:40 PM - Post#322593    

They would be a dynamic frontline. They could create some major switching headaches, as they both have the ability to drive and pass. Both seem to be able rebounders and shot blockers too. Adding MLL to the mix would give Donohue a lot of options.
Penndemonium
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03-29-21 04:52 PM - Post#322594    

Wondering - does a lame duck athletic director pose a recruiting problem? Or could it be a benefit?

BTW, while looking up Calhoun's transition, I found this. It's old news, and I'm not asserting she acted improperly here. The appearances aren't great. Maybe the other coach can get the job back.

https://www.thedp.com/article/2017/09/penn- hired-i...


91Quake
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03-29-21 06:54 PM - Post#322595    

No. No one cares about the AD. Not positive or negative. Not an issue.

Not sure why she is making this move but no one cares.
Penndemonium
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03-29-21 07:56 PM - Post#322597    

Fair enough. I didn't really mean the the athletes care about the AD - I just wasn't sure if the number of offers, possible AI strategies, transfers, and financial aid awards might usually flow through the AD to admissions.

I'm hoping that Calhoun is more responsible than Bilsky, who apparently wasn't working too hard at the end.


  • 91Quake Said:
No. No one cares about the AD. Not positive or negative. Not an issue.

Not sure why she is making this move but no one cares.



nychoops
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03-29-21 11:03 PM - Post#322600    

Adam Walden is the kid from Balt ... Huff and Karaban are from my understanding at this point fairly strong leans elsewhere
besnoah
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04-07-21 11:56 PM - Post#323019    

Mark Armstrong is committing tomorrow. Penn did not make his final 8 (Villanova, Kansas, Auburn, Stanford, Seton Hall, Rutgers, Louisville and UConn).

Rowan Brumbaugh mentions Princeton, but not Penn here: https://basketballrecruit ing.rivals.com/news/shaw-...

Jeff2sf
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04-08-21 10:33 AM - Post#323023    

tired from all the winning.
Kwaequer
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04-08-21 12:59 PM - Post#323026    

Make Penn great again
pennhoops
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04-08-21 02:28 PM - Post#323031    

jeff are you excited for steve to put out a lineup of 5 two star point guards
Jeff2sf
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04-08-21 02:44 PM - Post#323033    

i mean to be fair, i don't even remember who's on the team at this point between last year's graduation, this year's graduation, transfer rules, me being old, etc.

So maybe we'll be fine. But would like some PLAYERS.
Penndemonium
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04-12-21 12:37 AM - Post#323132    

I’d settle for some healthy players but agree that a bit more talent in the PT pipeline would be helpful.
nychoops
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04-15-21 10:39 PM - Post#323248    

Penn interested in Zachary Cleveland ... never seen him but heard nice improving player
91Quake
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04-21-21 01:41 PM - Post#323478    

Wasn't sure where to put this item, but TJ Berger going into the transfer portal from Georgetown.
Penndemonium
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04-22-21 03:46 AM - Post#323505    

I don't fully understand the scholarship and covid eligibility rules, but he seems to be a victim of Georgetown's large and excellent recruiting class and limited roster space.


besnoah
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04-26-21 04:50 PM - Post#323611    

Christian Winborne discusses Penn (along with Harvard, Yale, and others) here:

https://basketballrecruit ing.rivals.com/news/chris...
SteveChop
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04-26-21 05:26 PM - Post#323612    

Sounds like he would be a good get for Penn. While I know nothing of his playing ability, I am impressed by his articulate evaluation of the schools interested.
penn nation
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04-26-21 06:32 PM - Post#323613    

Silly question:

When is the last time someone posted news on one of these recruiting threads that we actually got someone?
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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04-26-21 07:38 PM - Post#323615    

Ed Holland?
SomeGuy
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04-27-21 09:33 AM - Post#323623    

I think Spinoso and Larson were after Holland.

On the general point, there are 350+ division one schools. Almost everybody only gets commits from some fraction of offers. So to the extent that we publicize interest at this stage, the natural impression is going to be that we miss more than we hit.
Penndemonium
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04-27-21 01:59 PM - Post#323639    

In the Jerome Allen days, we just didn't hear about Penn's interest in players. I don't know if they had recruits sign NDAs or if they didn't give as many offers, but everything was super quiet. Now we hear more about swings and misses. I don't know which is better.
palestra38
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04-27-21 02:28 PM - Post#323640    

We didn't have social media---makes all the difference

besnoah
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04-28-21 11:39 AM - Post#323682    

Middlesex Magic
Congratulations to Middlesex Magic and Phillips Exeter 6’9 2022 Dom Campbell on receiving an offer from Penn!
besnoah
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04-28-21 11:39 AM - Post#323683    

Edit: Accidental double post.
Streamers
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04-28-21 06:11 PM - Post#323715    

Well, he's definitely a big with some low post moves. He'll get to play against some pretty good NEPSAC talent this coming season and Exeter will get him ready academically. He'd be the first we landed from there since Cam Lewis if we get him:

"Campbell, who lost 40 pounds between his sophomore and junior seasons at Waynflete, is working on chiseling his considerable bulk and getting fitter. He already had offers on the table from Division I programs Boston University, McNeese State and Central Connecticut State before enrolling at Phillips Exeter."


http://middlesexmagic.com/2021/01/07/dominick-c ampbell-and-brady-cummins -set-for-big-year-with-ma gic/
AsiaSunset
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05-12-21 08:08 PM - Post#324073    

We offered Chauncey Wiggins. Don’t hold your breath.
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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05-13-21 09:22 AM - Post#324077    

Love child of Chauncey Billups and Andrew Wiggins?
penn nation
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05-13-21 10:22 AM - Post#324078    

Chauncey Gardiner and Alan Wiggins?
HARVARDDADGRAD
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05-13-21 08:33 PM - Post#324091    

Carol Burnett’s Mrs. Wiggins was my favorite Wiggins.
AsiaSunset
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05-14-21 07:25 AM - Post#324093    

Penn offered Caden Pierce . Pennfan10 probably knows a little bit about this player
91Quake
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05-14-21 08:44 AM - Post#324094    

He's a 6-6 SG who attends the same high school as Braden Huff, a 6-9 F, Penn had previously offered.
Penndemonium
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05-14-21 12:19 PM - Post#324098    

Sorry for being this ignorant about recruiting, but what are the classic decision windows for the class of '22? I'm guessing it would start in November 2021 and continue through April 2022? Just trying to remind myself about when we would hope to hear announcements.
PennFan10
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05-14-21 01:56 PM - Post#324101    

Lot's of recruits will decide between now and November. November is the first signing day, prior to start of season. Verbal commits happen for most prior to that. The second signing period is April 2022. That's usually only for the top prospects (1-20 or so) and those who didn't like their options prior to the season and had a rising stock kind of year.

July through Sept should be particularly busy. July is the first time coaches can go see recruits live since pre pandemic.
PennFan10
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05-14-21 02:11 PM - Post#324102    

Caden Pierce plays on the same AAU team and HS team as Braden Huff. HEre is a twitter video of them working out together: https://twitter.com/CadenMPierce8/status/ 135415440...

Pierce holds offers from Brown and a handful of other small mid majors.

Seems like a good piece. Versatile player who can defend multiple spots and shoots it pretty well.

Junior Yr higlights here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR9OEABMvbg

Would love to get he and Huff!
nychoops
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05-15-21 06:32 PM - Post#324106    

Huff will go to Wisconsin
PennFan10
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05-17-21 10:00 AM - Post#324113    

I don't think that's a certainty but it would be the bettors favorite at this point.
Quake Show
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06-02-21 04:52 PM - Post#324387    

Does anyone have any news to offer on the 2022 front?

Would love to hear updates about who we're targeting, their level of interest, any potential surprises, etc.
besnoah
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06-07-21 07:48 PM - Post#324480    

Penn unmentioned in two recent Rivals articles about Dasonte Bowen's and Otega Oweh's planned visits. Penn has also gone unmentioned in all of the Jameel Brown articles I've seen since his decommitment.
91Quake
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06-07-21 09:40 PM - Post#324484    

Christian Winborne just visited over the weekend. Other visits in the works/happening.
Quake Show
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06-22-21 06:35 PM - Post#324851    

‘22 Ben Shtolzberg of Notre Dame HS was offered today

Several HM offers, include Virginia Tech, Rutgers, Creighton, Xavier, SMU
AsiaSunset
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06-28-21 04:27 PM - Post#325025    

We offered Danny Wolf from NMH
mbaprof
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06-28-21 06:18 PM - Post#325031    

Another nice jewish boy
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county...
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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06-29-21 09:31 AM - Post#325033    

  • AsiaSunset Said:
We offered Danny Wolf from NMH


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFh4_Xj5z7o
Condor
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06-29-21 09:39 AM - Post#325035    

A big with recent offers from Depaul, Harvard, and MN. Sounds pretty good to me.
besnoah
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07-20-21 10:50 AM - Post#325394    

Christian Winborne to announce his commitment today. At least Penn, St. Joe’s, and Northwestern are involved.

https://twitter.com/jmverlin/status/14174 962515458...
besnoah
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07-20-21 01:03 PM - Post#325399    

Winborne commits to St. Joe’s.
Quake Show
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07-20-21 01:17 PM - Post#325401    

https://247sports.com/college/saint-josephs /Articl...

Seems like another miss, only player I know of in the 2022 class to actually have an official or unofficial visit Penn this far.

Interesting that the article mentions him speaking to another former target Kacper Klaczek as significant when he went to St. Joes
palestra38
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07-20-21 01:40 PM - Post#325402    

I've said this before here, but with no disrespect to St. Joe's, if we are losing players to St Joe's, we're recruiting the wrong players.
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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07-20-21 01:47 PM - Post#325403    

Who was the kid whom we lost to St. Joe's whose mom was the friggin' head of the alumni office at Penn? How in God's name did we not close that deal?
Penn90
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Penn90
07-20-21 01:55 PM - Post#325404    

Not sure what you mean?
Leges sine moribus vanae

palestra38
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07-20-21 02:00 PM - Post#325405    

You have an extreme of difference at the academic level--essentially, St Joe's accepts almost everyone who applies. You get a completely different type of student (you can get a very good education at St Joe's--but it is not competitive to get in). You would think we would aim our recruiting efforts at someone who is looking for a competitive academic environment and possibly post-graduate or business connections. Of course there is overlap, but not that much. It's not like competing against Patriot teams. If we are losing to St Joe's, it's likely the kid wasn't seriously interested in Penn all along, IMO. It's a basketball decision.
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07-20-21 02:07 PM - Post#325406    

Thanks for clarifying; you make good points.
Leges sine moribus vanae

AsiaSunset
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07-20-21 02:40 PM - Post#325408    

Chet Stachitas
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07-20-21 04:03 PM - Post#325410    

SJU acceptance rate is 75% and their yield is only 17% which says a lot. Some of their undergrad programs are pretty good (e.g. in the business school.) What does get competitive for them is scholarship money. I assume hoops recruits all get a free ride though. It's also a very different campus experience from Penn. Smaller and more 'collegial.'
nychoops
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07-20-21 05:48 PM - Post#325412    

This one is surprising. I wasn’t sure he was going to go with Penn but had heard a few rumblings and none were SJU.
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07-21-21 01:55 AM - Post#325423    

After no season last year, and generally being busier than ever, I haven't followed recruiting as closely as I have in past years, so take with a huge grain of salt but...

To recap, we recruited a kid with some pretty high level offers, including other high level academic schools (so indicating he should have been able to clear that bar, and I guess that bar might be blurred now anyway with COVID and standard tests), who also clearly wanted to stay local.

And we lost out to... to St. Joes. The St. Joes who was 5-15 last year, whose best player transferred, and who is in the A10 that is a mere shadow of itself.

And your premise is that the kid was the problem because it was a basketball decision? At least Hysier Miller picked Temple in the AAC (while kind of a weird conference, still better funded than the A10 generally).

From 10,000 foot view, seems like Christian Winborne is exactly the kind of recruit we need to land to take it to the next level, no?

Will be good to see how the rest of this class shapes up, and hopefully we land other desired players and we can better judge. I'll also be watching with interest to see how the last 2 classes of frosh recruits look compared to the rest of the league this season.
Condor
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07-21-21 07:25 AM - Post#325425    

He had Penn, Yale, Harvard, Northwestern, and a number of HM’s to choose from. Without attempting to appear disparaging, he chose the smallest pond with probably the lowest barrier to playing time. Also, we have no idea what type of NIL opportunities he may have there. He seems like a good recruit, but given his choice, I believe it was more about him and not us.
palestra38
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07-21-21 07:49 AM - Post#325426    

Exactly (although I missed where I said the kid was the problem..I said it appears to be our recruiting a kid who would chose Joe's over Penn means we missed what this kid was about).
SteveChop
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07-21-21 09:57 AM - Post#325434    

Your comment about NIL opportunities, whether at SJU or other schools, is an interesting one. This is an issue that bears monitoring as this is a MAJOR change in recruiting. I watched a panel discussion on this yesterday with a number of Sportico writers as participants. The take was that the NCAA is not really pursuing any schools for violations because they don't have a strategy for handling the issue. This may be another area where Ivy League intransigence (see under "Ostrich") causes league recruiting to be at a disadvantage.
AsiaSunset
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07-21-21 05:38 PM - Post#325439    

I totally agree with you. The practice of not offering scholarships for athletes seems especially arcane now. But - I doubt things will change
besnoah
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07-21-21 10:44 PM - Post#325446    

Dom Campbell to Notre Dame.
Penndemonium
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07-21-21 11:38 PM - Post#325447    

Are the ivies going to be more restrictive on NIL than other colleges?
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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07-22-21 09:17 AM - Post#325449    

Not sure I understand the question. Didn't the Supreme Court basically rule that there can be NO restrictions on NIL?

I can see a scenario where some SEC-type schools would establish NIL programs to actively promote their athletes. (Heck of a recruiting tool if you think about it.) While I could see the Ivies maybe offering some useful advice to athletes (and maybe cello players, etc) I can't see them playing it up too much.

Except for Harvard, of course.
palestra38
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07-22-21 10:06 AM - Post#325450    

I don't think NIL is much of a factor in the Ivies, even for Harvard. The question will arise next year when the Ivy antitrust exemption expires and absent Congressional action, any school can give scholarships and the boosters, er, might just help out more directly.
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Streamers
07-22-21 10:43 AM - Post#325451    

A late-bloomer who was flying under the radar with early mid-major high academic offers until he put on a show at a tournament against 3-4 star recruits this past spring that vaulted him into the solid high-major full ride range. We never had a real shot.
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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07-22-21 10:44 AM - Post#325452    

One step closer to my dream of endowed positions on the basketball team.

"Now starting at Roy Vagelos Point Guard..."
palestra38
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07-22-21 11:32 AM - Post#325453    

But what happens to the Troy's Memorial Small Forward designation when and if the player falls into Steve's Dog House?
Stuart Suss
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07-22-21 12:02 PM - Post#325454    

Pennsylvania state law permits athletes to receive NIL under certain conditions. See Section 8 at pages 5-12.

I would like to hear from someone who is informed about financial aid policies to advise us whether the Ivy League will let an athlete receive NIL income in one pocket while taking it away from the other pocket. Specifically, will NIL income result in a reduction (perhaps even on a dollar for dollar basis) in the athlete's need-based financial aid?

Of course this would not affect an athlete from a wealthy family, who receives no need-based financial aid.

T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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07-22-21 01:12 PM - Post#325455    

Stu,

My understanding of the recent Supreme Court decision is that the NCAA may not prevent an athlete from receiving NIL money.

May a STATE prevent an athlete from receiving such payments?
Stuart Suss
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07-22-21 03:14 PM - Post#325456    

This is legal nitpicking, but to be precise:

1. The recent Supreme Court decision was that the NCAA is subject to federal antitrust laws. The decision said nothing about NIL.

2. Several states, including Pennsylvania, have enacted laws which prohibit the NCAA or its member institutions from interfering with NIL deals made by athletes. States have no interest in prohibiting NIL; rather, they are permitting athletes to receive NIL money. This legislative activity is independent of the Supreme Court's ruling.

3. Alabama enacted a law permitting NIL for its athletes. To remain competitive, Pitt and Penn State successfully lobbied for similar NIL legislation in Pennsylvania. Other states, also wanting their schools to remain competitive, are expected to follow suit. The NCAA has had no choice other than to abide by these state laws.

4. My question was whether, in the Ivy League, an athlete who receives NIL money will forfeit some portion of his or her need-based financial aid?


nychoops
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07-24-21 10:33 AM - Post#325482    

Luke Hungar… heard Penn getting involved.. sorry if previously mentioned
TheLine
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07-29-21 01:05 PM - Post#325630    

Interesting. Has anyone seen any Hungar games?

AsiaSunset
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07-29-21 02:07 PM - Post#325634    

He recently was offered by Boston College
sparman
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sparman
07-30-21 01:50 PM - Post#325674    

  • TheLine Said:
Interesting. Has anyone seen any Hungar games?




One reason to lurk on this Board is that the frequency of posts increases the entertainment factor. Reminiscent of "Schoene, come back". Well done.
TheLine
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08-02-21 12:06 PM - Post#325721    

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.

And don't forget to tip your servers!


91Quake
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08-08-21 02:45 PM - Post#325849    

Penn offered Asher Woods, 6'3" SG from Parkview High in GA, who has seen his stock going up after some strong showings this summer.
PennFan10
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08-10-21 11:46 AM - Post#325891    

  • nychoops Said:
Huff will go to Wisconsin



Braden Huff's recruitment has taken off. In July he led his AAU team to the Under Armor Championship on that circuit. Has since been offered by Michigan State and yesterday, Gonzaga. Holds offers from most of the Big Ten.

Caden Pierce (also a Penn Target) was on that team and they are HS teammates in Chicago. Brown is recruiting Pierce pretty heavily.

I don't know our level of interest with Pierce but Huff seems to have escalated further out of our range.

20Penn14
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08-10-21 12:40 PM - Post#325897    

  • Quake Show Said:
‘22 Ben Shtolzberg of Notre Dame HS was offered today

Several HM offers, include Virginia Tech, Rutgers, Creighton, Xavier, SMU



Ben Shtolzberg cut his list down to 6, and Penn did not make the cut. Interestingly, it looks like Maccabi Tel Aviv did make the top 6

T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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08-10-21 02:28 PM - Post#325909    

  • 20Penn14 Said:
  • Quake Show Said:
‘22 Ben Shtolzberg of Notre Dame HS was offered today

Several HM offers, include Virginia Tech, Rutgers, Creighton, Xavier, SMU



Ben Shtolzberg cut his list down to 6, and Penn did not make the cut. Interestingly, it looks like Maccabi Tel Aviv did make the top 6




Still processing "Ben Shlotzberg of Notre Dame..."

10Q
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08-10-21 03:31 PM - Post#325917    

Must be from one of those lost tribes
20Penn14
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08-14-21 08:01 PM - Post#326023    

Rowan Brumbaugh has trimmed his list to 6 and Penn did not make the cut

https://twitter.com/BrumbaughRowan/status /14256090...
penn nation
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08-16-21 09:15 PM - Post#326103    

Carl Brumbaugh was a QB for some championship Chicago Bears teams in the 1930s.

Any relation?
besnoah
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08-18-21 11:10 PM - Post#326149    

Penn also didn't make the cut for Chisom Okpara, but Harvard did:

https://247sports.com/college/basketball/re cruitin...
Jeff2sf
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08-19-21 04:58 PM - Post#326197    

this is just masochistic.
Penndemonium
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08-19-21 05:28 PM - Post#326202    

Yeah, I used to search the internet for videos of players that are mentioned in our recruiting. In the Allen days, there were so few that we would hear about. Now we hear about a ton of Penn's offers, but it's too hard to separate the likelihood and level of mutual interest. I can't go through the heartbreak of getting invested in all of these recruits.

Still, keep the news flowing!
besnoah
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08-22-21 02:01 PM - Post#326250    

Penn did not make the Top 5 for Chauncey Wiggins:
https://247sports.com/Article/Basketball-re cruitin...
besnoah
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08-23-21 02:14 PM - Post#326261    

Jameel Brown commits to Penn…State.
besnoah
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09-14-21 09:11 AM - Post#326653    

Okpara committed to Harvard.
besnoah
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09-14-21 12:46 PM - Post#326656    

Ben Roy, whom Penn first offered in December 2020, committed to BU today:

Adam Finkelstein
Boston University has landed a commitment from
@RioUniversity guard Ben Roy.

Terrific get for BU. Roy is skilled, tough, & full of winning intangibles.
besnoah
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09-14-21 01:08 PM - Post#326657    

Of the players left who we know Penn offered, I assume Avery Brown, Peter Carey (probably Syracuse on the weekend of 9/24), Otega Oweh (probably Penn State soon), and Braden Huff (Gonzaga? One of his myriad B1G offers?) are all totally off the board.

So, of the known offers (not counting players nychoops has mentioned here), they're down to Khalil Wright (no other offers), Jeremiah Bembry (status of other offers unclear), Blair Thompson (NMH), Danny Wolf (NMH), and Caden Pierce (was under the impression people thought he was a Brown lean).

Anyway, happy to kick off the macro recruiting discussion again whenever folks want.
palestra38
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09-14-21 03:02 PM - Post#326660    

Not much to say, other than any time Amaker wants a player we want, we're going to lose. This one appears to be more of a guy who wants the Harvard diploma more than it involves financial aid, but between the Brand and money, you can't blame Donahue for losing to Amaker.....on recruiting. But there are plenty of players Amaker cannot or will not get, so it's a matter of finding the guys who are just as good but not on his radar.
Buckeye Quake
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09-14-21 04:17 PM - Post#326661    

This is getting ugly. At some point this thread needs to be changed to 2022 lost recruits.
Jeff2sf
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09-14-21 04:24 PM - Post#326662    

i'm just asking that people not be too forgiving if this is a bad season. remember, last season not occurr
ing was a blessing, we were obviously going to be bad last season. This season your guess is as good as mine. if we're contending for a top seed in the Ivy tourney, great. If we're battling to grab the 4th seed, it's time to move on.
palestra38
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09-14-21 04:45 PM - Post#326665    

Other than Yale, who do you see as having any significant advantage over Penn with respect to the guys who can be put on the court with experience? Obviously, we have to see if Wang and Washington are healthy. But if so, you have Dingle, Martz, and Monroe, who played a lot, and mostly effectively, and Lorca-Lloyd, who didn't play a lot but showed a lot of potential and played international ball. Then you have the 2 guys who missed the season with injury Jonah Charles (the highest ranked of that incoming class) and Jelani Williams. Then you have last year's recruits, Slajchart and Chambers and the transfer, Moshkovitz. Then you have this year's freshmen, with Gus Larson, among others. Why you would think this isn't a team that has a very good chance isn't explained, so I'd like to hear.
penn nation
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09-14-21 05:22 PM - Post#326666    

Is the program still on double secret probation?

Or is it still ongoing?
PennFan10
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09-14-21 05:39 PM - Post#326667    

First, Jelani hasn't played a meaningful basketball game since he was a Junior in High School so I think it's fair to reserve judgement on him.

Next, Jeff hasn't had a positive thing to say since....well I don't remember him every saying anything positive. He is the Eeyore of this board. We just finished watching one of the best players in the history of Penn basketball over 4 years and I can count on 1/2 a finger how many good things he said about him. The next time he praises Penn basketball will be the first time I can remember.
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Cvonvorys
09-14-21 05:52 PM - Post#326668    

  • palestra38 Said:
Why you would think this isn't a team that has a very good chance isn't explained, so I'd like to hear.



Unknown 1) "Obviously, we have to see if Wang and Washington are healthy."

Unknown 2) "Lorca-Lloyd, who didn't play a lot but showed a lot of potential." You hanging your hopes on potential?

Unknown 3) Jonah Charles and Jelani Williams have yet to play a single minute in a Quaker Uniform.

Unknown 4) Everyone not named Dingle, Martz, and Monroe, where basically all that's known about them is from YouTube videos and word-of-mouth.

Look... I love your enthusiasm, but for me there are too many unknowns to believe this is a top team in the league.

"Because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know."

- Donald Rumsfeld

Penndemonium
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09-14-21 06:15 PM - Post#326669    

"Look... I love your enthusiasm, but for me there are too many unknowns to believe this is a top team in the league."

I agree there are too many unknowns to have firm conviction, but we can all believe whatever we want in a wide range of possible outcomes here.

Should I start the pre-season predictions contest again? It's been a long time since we've done that. I think the first year I ran that contest was Rosen's senior year where they blew away expectations.

SomeGuy
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09-14-21 11:57 PM - Post#326674    

This was Harvard’s first recruit for 2022. We already have one. Harvard’s recruit is better, but thus far the sky isn’t falling on this class at all. We’ve been out there publicly on some reaches. Not getting any reaches isn’t the end of the world. Just have to hit one.
Jeff2sf
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09-15-21 08:01 AM - Post#326675    

wang and washington haven't been helpful since my teenager believed in santa claus.

but basically it comes down to this, we were going to be a kenpom 200-250 team last year. So that's my prior. From there, do teams make jumps into the top 125? absolutely. but it's not a given.

I don't have much of a feel for what Penn will do. I'm more optimistic than I'd usually be but that's as much due to going 19 months or so without basketball. It's more fun to be a fan than be against them.

Having said that, if you actually do think they're going to be good and they're not, that's more cause to demand steve be fired. We can not accept mediocrity. The trend of the program is not pointing up. Hopefully it will


91Quake
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09-15-21 08:31 AM - Post#326676    

My impression is this will be a mediocre class overall for the Ivies. There were not a ton of Ivy academic type candidates and a larger than normal percentage of those saw their recruitments "blow up" to high D1 levels. There are some good players out there and H got one. We may have one already also.

Given last years' Covid impacted schedules, it also may be a good year for schools to recruit later in the cycle as not everyone was visible last year. Even with AAU back this summer it seems like there will be more Cam Throwers out there who in a normal environment may have gotten much more attention.
palestra38
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09-15-21 08:45 AM - Post#326677    

Had Betley not torn up his knee, Penn would have been right there in '18-'19. That's when Wang and Washington were contributing at a high level. Then they got hurt as well. The team that won the title the year before was well placed to be better in the following 2 years before AJ was graduated. But that's life---Harvard lost players who were the 2 best players in the league and that cost them possible titles.

But Steve has brought in good talent in every year but one (struck out with what would have been last year's senior class). The reason as I see it for not being a dominant Ivy team has far more to do with Yale, Harvard and Princeton starting at a higher level than what Donahue inherited and maintaining their long time coaches.

However, I agree that if we take a step back this year and miss the Ivy playoffs, some soul searching will be justified.
Condor
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09-15-21 08:51 AM - Post#326678    

  • SomeGuy Said:
This was Harvard’s first recruit for 2022. We already have one. Harvard’s recruit is better, but thus far the sky isn’t falling on this class at all. We’ve been out there publicly on some reaches. Not getting any reaches isn’t the end of the world. Just have to hit one.



Okpara had HM offers from teams ranked in the 40-129 range. He seems like a good Ivy recruit, but do we really know how he compares to Thrower. According to nychoops, Thrower would have had at least two PAC-12 offers had he not had higher academic aspirations. Admittedly, I have not seen either play. I was just wondering if you were basing the comparison on the recruiting ratings alone.
besnoah
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09-15-21 09:20 AM - Post#326679    

Limiting this conversation to just Okpara qua Okpara can let people convince themselves of whatever they want about this class. I agree the sky is not falling, that suggests something is in progress. The sky has fallen. Penn has struck out on all of its "reaches." Its best outcome was making Jameel Brown's list before his first commitment. I've continued to notice, over the past several years, that Harvard, Yale, and Princeton strike out on many fewer of these "reaches." Heck, Penn's lost players to Temple and St. Joe's in the last two cycles.

I think Donahue and his staff have done an excellent job identifying talent before they hit helium and under-the-radar talent. I think the staff does a very good job developing talent. And I think that's why they keep eking out Top 4 finishes. But AJ Brodeur's career and development is a hallmark exemplar of why adding recruits of significance is imperative. They eked out Top 4 finishes with him, is that going to get easier without him?

Penn has now lost a generational player and has not replaced him with a player of similar pedigree. Based only on publicly available information, they seem to have taken a variety of tacks on the trail and none of them have worked. I don't know what the path forward is, but I continue to find that the argument that the recruiting strategy is insufficient bears out in reality.
SomeGuy
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09-15-21 09:47 AM - Post#326680    

Yes, just ratings and offers. My point is mainly that, even if one accepts the premise that Okpara is a better recruit than Thrower, we aren’t in comparatively bad shape on this class. Okpara’s the only player in anyone’s class thus far who is clearly more highly rated than Thrower, and there aren’t many commits in the class overall.
nychoops
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09-15-21 11:46 AM - Post#326681    

Penn is currently seriously involved with 4-5 kids that would be considered high end Ivy recruits...how that ends up I have no idea. My understanding is that Donahue is working quite hard this off-season..or at least that seems to be the perception
Condor
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09-15-21 11:52 AM - Post#326682    

Thank you nychoops. I always appreciate your information.

I would also add the following to this discussion.

Here are the players on Penn who received HM offers over the last 4 years. I also included offers from VCU and BYU as well as Harvard and Yale.

HS 2018
Wang: Texas A&M
Bryce Washington: Pitt
HS 2019
MLL: VCU, BYU, Baylor, Cal, Georgetown, Conn, Vanderbilt, Ohio St., and Harvard
HS 2020
Slajchert: Washington St.
HS 2021
Holland: VCU, Penn State, Yale
Larson: Yale

Here is a comparison of Kenpom rankings for Harvard and Penn over the last 4 years:
2021 DNP
2020 Penn-141 Harvard-11 0
2019 Penn-130 Harvard-11 4
2018 Penn-125 Harvard-14 1
NCAA appearances: Penn-2018

I am certain Harvard fans would point out injuries to Aiken and Towns. However, Penn fans could point out the injuries to Wang, Washington, Williams, and Betley.

While Harvard has certainly landed higher rated recruits, Penn has also had some success. Further, the end results just haven’t been that different. Regardless, if I wanted to pass judgement, I would blame the Ivy League rules over the performances of Amaker or SD. All the IL coaches are working under constraints that create recruiting and operational disadvantages.

Penndemonium
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09-15-21 01:24 PM - Post#326685    

I am certainly not an expert on recruiting, but feel that the ratings services hold a much higher standard of accuracy about declaring 4 star players than 3 star players.

I am hoping that the time that SD has used to re-evaluate his coaching has also resulted in upgrades to his recruiting work. He runs a tight ship, and I believe he can succeed with reinvigorated recruiting. NYCHoops' comments would fit with this. Fingers crossed.

Cvonvorys
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Cvonvorys
09-15-21 04:59 PM - Post#326689    

  • nychoops Said:
My understanding is that Donahue is working quite hard this off-season..or at least that seems to be the perception



This is an odd comment. Doesn't Donahue work quite hard every off-season?
Buckeye Quake
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09-16-21 03:36 PM - Post#326702    


I don't concern myself with what Harvard does as so many others here seem to do. Just as I never cared what Princeton did when we ran the conference with them. I've been through enough recruiting classes/cycles to know a bad one from a decent one. Today this class isn't looking good. Some success obviously will change that. Hopefully we find that success.
palestra38
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09-16-21 04:42 PM - Post#326703    

Thing is that we are loaded with underclassmen. That may affect the ability to recruit. If we had no quality young players, I would be far more concerned.
Buckeye Quake
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09-16-21 04:55 PM - Post#326705    


Agreed. These kids aren't blind or stupid. The numbers game is a big part of the decision process.
I always want more but I'm cautiously optimistic with what we have.
Condor
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09-17-21 10:59 AM - Post#326713    

  • besnoah Said:
Penn has now lost a generational player and has not replaced him with a player of similar pedigree. Based only on publicly available information, they seem to have taken a variety of tacks on the trail and none of them have worked. I don't know what the path forward is, but I continue to find that the argument that the recruiting strategy is insufficient bears out in reality.



Actually, MLL had more and better HM offers than Brodeur, and he was a 4* ESPN recruit compared to a 3* Rivals/ESPN recruit for Brodeur. If we are speaking strictly about "pedigree" and recruiting successes, I think MLL arguably ranks higher.
besnoah
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10-04-21 11:06 PM - Post#326935    

Peter Carey committed to Syracuse last week.

Caden Pierce committed to Princeton tonight.
PennFan10
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10-05-21 11:27 AM - Post#326943    

And Braden Huff Committed to Gonzaga last week.
AsiaSunset
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10-06-21 08:01 PM - Post#326953    

Have no clue what the men are doing but pwb just got a commitment from 4 star Sanieh Caldwell. Her sister is on the Penn team
besnoah
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10-10-21 06:12 PM - Post#327014    

Blair Thompson to Columbia.
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
10-11-21 01:25 PM - Post#327024    

Great to see the high quality recruit for PWB per Asia.

I guess the question on men's side is, who is left that we are we recruiting at this point? I haven't watching as closely as I have in the past, but I'm not seeing many, if any mention of Penn offers on social media and verbal commits doesn't have much left on our radar.



AsiaSunset
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10-11-21 02:20 PM - Post#327029    

Saw on Twitter that 6’3 point guard Ethyn Brown from Combine Academy will be visiting.
palestra38
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10-11-21 02:22 PM - Post#327030    

All right--you got me--what is PWB?
91Quake
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10-11-21 03:12 PM - Post#327033    

Penn Women's Bball
Silver Maple
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10-11-21 03:42 PM - Post#327035    

Does that mean we have to start calling the men's team PMB?
Mike Porter
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Mike Porter
10-11-21 03:46 PM - Post#327036    

Asia - thanks for flagging I didn't see that one on Twitter so will take a look.

And sorry guys, haha, I was running with Asia's PWB descriptor above.
palestra38
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10-11-21 04:03 PM - Post#327037    

And all the time I thought it was Plymouth Whitemarsh
nychoops
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10-13-21 09:03 AM - Post#327098    

Thompson is a really good get for Columbia
AsiaSunset
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10-15-21 06:36 PM - Post#327188    

The women got another commitment- Simone Sawyer , a pg from Illinois.
Jeff2sf
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10-15-21 09:44 PM - Post#327190    

Can the women have their own thread? I’m not interested in that. Just like I’m not interested in men’s football. As long as it’s clearly marked, that’s great, have as many threads as you want.
besnoah
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10-17-21 03:10 PM - Post#327217    

Luke Hunger mentioned Penn in two recent interviews:

https://basketballrecruit ing.rivals.com/news/luke-...

https://247sports.com/Article/Basketball-re cruitin...
TheLine
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10-18-21 01:15 PM - Post#327245    

Phil Martelli is at Michigan? When did that happen?

Does Hunger like the Wolverines?

palestra38
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10-18-21 01:23 PM - Post#327246    

Got the job as lead assistant after being fired at Joe's.

https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/phil-m arte...
Penndemonium
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10-18-21 02:42 PM - Post#327247    

Great hire for them, in my opinion. Juan Howard seems like a very promising coach.
palestra38
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10-18-21 03:22 PM - Post#327248    

Juwan Howard just recruited his son Jett

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ne ws/...

Older brother a soph....helps as a coach when your kids are nationally ranked high school players.
besnoah
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10-18-21 09:03 PM - Post#327253    

He put together the #2 class in the nation last year. I’m thinking it’s not making that big a difference for him.
palestra38
Professor
Posts 32682
10-19-21 08:57 AM - Post#327261    

And one of those kids in the #2 class was another son of his.

Michigan is a program that with the right coach can get pretty much any one they want.
besnoah
Masters Student
Posts 803
10-19-21 09:53 AM - Post#327263    

Incorrect, Jace was in the class of 2020. The class of 2021 was the one that was #2 in the nation.
besnoah
Masters Student
Posts 803
10-25-21 12:08 PM - Post#327374    

Jeremiah Bembry, who Penn offered last summer, is announcing his decision shortly (widely expected to be Florida State).
TheLine
Professor
Posts 5597
10-25-21 12:40 PM - Post#327376    

Bembry just visited Florida St so yes, that's likely going to be his choice.


besnoah
Masters Student
Posts 803
11-02-21 04:33 PM - Post#327590    

Luke Hunger to Northwestern
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
PhD Student
Posts 1169
11-03-21 09:06 AM - Post#327616    

  • besnoah Said:
Luke Hunger to Northwestern



Guess his tour of Dining Service didn't impress him.

I'll show myself out.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21081
11-03-21 11:21 AM - Post#327625    

There's something to be said for deep dish pizza.

I guess they won the Hunger Games.
Mike Porter
Postdoc
Posts 3614
Mike Porter
11-03-21 02:54 PM - Post#327639    

I'm not fully up on latest, but just to understand where we are... wasn't Luke Hunger the highest quality public target that was actually still talking about Penn?
TheLine
Professor
Posts 5597
11-03-21 03:29 PM - Post#327643    

Danny Wolf is still out there. He has a long suitor list and don't know where Penn rates vs. his other options.

Wolf is the highest quality Penn target I know of.

T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
PhD Student
Posts 1169
11-03-21 04:05 PM - Post#327647    

Any relation to Joe?
20Penn14
Senior
Posts 364
01-19-22 09:08 AM - Post#333704    

David Luberoff
@david_luberoff

Honored to receive an Ivy League offer from UPenn! Thank you to Coach Donahue and the rest of the coaching staff for this opportunity!

6'9 Forward from New Jersey
20Penn14
Senior
Posts 364
04-08-22 05:46 PM - Post#340404    

Isaiah Alexander to Loyola Md
https://twitter.com/isaiahWA7/status/1512 436633882...

Avery Brown to Columbia

https://twitter.com/slim_coach/status/151 225341417...
besnoah
Masters Student
Posts 803
04-09-22 01:32 PM - Post#340421    

I have no view on where these two prospects currently rank, though Brown took several HM visits this year, but every time I think my expectations are as low as they could get...
besnoah
Masters Student
Posts 803
04-09-22 05:23 PM - Post#340424    

Danny Wolf to Yale.
Mike Porter
Postdoc
Posts 3614
Mike Porter
04-10-22 02:15 AM - Post#340428    

  • besnoah Said:
Danny Wolf to Yale.



…….

Sounds about right, and just to confirm, this was the highest ranking target and big that we’ve publicly been involved with right?

Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts 1877
04-10-22 02:57 AM - Post#340429    

His tape looked impressive. A 6'10 player with handles, shooting, and passing. I don't see too many crossovers at his size. He could be a great get for a coach that uses him the right way.
91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1123
04-11-22 10:36 AM - Post#340462    

Louis Hutchinson doing a post grad year.

Our recruiting is terrible.
Buckeye Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1601
04-11-22 11:40 AM - Post#340463    


What recruiting?
Mike Porter
Postdoc
Posts 3614
Mike Porter
04-11-22 04:32 PM - Post#340468    

  • 91Quake Said:
Louis Hutchinson doing a post grad year.

Our recruiting is terrible.



Thanks for saying what a lot of people have been thinking. I don't see how anyone can look at our 2022 class of 1, and not see how this is a disaster as of now... especially after these latest bits of news.

I know nychoops mentioned us still being involved with some targets, so I hope these top secret kids are really going to blow our minds.

Real talk though, beyond the Penn attributes, how can we not even sell the idea of playing with a talent like Jordan Dingle?
Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts 1877
04-11-22 04:37 PM - Post#340469    

It's not a secret that this class isn't making waves. We have had a lot of late and/or uncelebrated recruits before who made an impact (Onyekweh, Jabeer, Dingle), but it sure would be settling to hear earlier about some impact recruits.
Jeff2sf
Postdoc
Posts 4466
04-11-22 05:16 PM - Post#340471    

I just wish someone had been out there raising the alarm, demanding change, etc.


besnoah
Masters Student
Posts 803
04-11-22 05:22 PM - Post#340472    

It's true that someone was raising the alarm, it's a shame that folks were arguing with him:

http://boards.basketball-u.com/showpost.php?post/3...
besnoah
Masters Student
Posts 803
04-11-22 05:30 PM - Post#340473    

The 2022 cycle was an unmitigated disaster. The 2021 class was sort of rescued by the fact that if you just jam 9 prospects across two classes together, you can end up with a decent prospect and some contributors.

But the team remains in very obvious trouble from a "having good players" standpoint. They are now losing battles to everyone. They lose to HYP, they lose to Notre Dame, they lose to Temple, they lose to Stanford, they lose to St. Joe's, they lose to UCF, heck they seem to have lost 2 kids to Columbia (!!!!) this cycle.

That Jordan Dingle's name is not in the portal is miraculous. It's not clear to me what the solution is, but from my (outsider, only monitors what's publicly available) perspective, 2023 is not looking better.
Mike Porter
Postdoc
Posts 3614
Mike Porter
04-11-22 05:57 PM - Post#340474    

  • besnoah Said:
The 2022 cycle was an unmitigated disaster. The 2021 class was sort of rescued by the fact that if you just jam 9 prospects across two classes together, you can end up with a decent prospect and some contributors.

But the team remains in very obvious trouble from a "having good players" standpoint. They are now losing battles to everyone. They lose to HYP, they lose to Notre Dame, they lose to Temple, they lose to Stanford, they lose to St. Joe's, they lose to UCF, heck they seem to have lost 2 kids to Columbia (!!!!) this cycle.

That Jordan Dingle's name is not in the portal is miraculous. It's not clear to me what the solution is, but from my (outsider, only monitors what's publicly available) perspective, 2023 is not looking better.



This is a great summary of how I feel about where we are with recruiting as well. Have we landed some late players under the radar who have been great? Sure... but that is not how you win consistently long term. That's a gamble, and not one likely to get us where we all want to be. We are consistently losing to anyone and everyone in competing for recruits, and this is a problem. Step 1 is admitting we have a problem...

*Note Ugonna was not one of these under the radar types. He was very well regarded, but when he left Longbeach State they wouldn't let him out of LOI so that was huge boon to Penn, no LOI.

GoQuakersGo
Sophomore
Posts 119
04-11-22 06:03 PM - Post#340475    

I will add to the praise of the previous summary of how badly Penn is recruiting.

I hope Steve realizes how much his assistant coaches are failing him. If they cannot compete on the recruiting trail, they need to go. I realize this is difficult due to the personal relationships the coaching staff has formed, but if a change isn’t made ASAP, it’s going to result in them all losing their jobs.
nychoops
Junior
Posts 239
04-11-22 08:05 PM - Post#340476    

It’s not in my nature to be critical but I have made my sentiments about this staffs recruiting style known in the past and unfortunately it is catching up to them. Their are/were players that I KNOW they have dropped the ball on. They are still involved with a kid as well as having reached out to a few kids in the portal.
Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts 1877
04-11-22 08:32 PM - Post#340477    

I'm afraid that blaming assistants isn't really productive. I believe it is about the institution and the head coach. The head coach chooses the assistants and should understand what the team needs on that front.

Losing any individual recruiting battle (such as these) isn't the issue. The broader body of work is. Being able to sell the value proposition and vision with a cohesive process - and close the deal - is too.

I am not beating a drum, but also have to acknowledge the appearances and reality too. SD has been great in most respects except recruiting. He's recruited some generational players, but never with multiple stars. I have no idea why more players aren't choosing a top university with a great coach, great team chemistry, and great basketball tradition and market. It seems like it should sell itself to get slightly more than our share.


  • GoQuakersGo Said:
I will add to the praise of the previous summary of how badly Penn is recruiting.

I hope Steve realizes how much his assistant coaches are failing him. If they cannot compete on the recruiting trail, they need to go. I realize this is difficult due to the personal relationships the coaching staff has formed, but if a change isn’t made ASAP, it’s going to result in them all losing their jobs.



GoQuakersGo
Sophomore
Posts 119
04-11-22 09:53 PM - Post#340478    

Penndemonium I totally agree with you. As you said, "SD has been great in most respects except recruiting."

This is why I focus my attention on the assistants. Steve has proven at Cornell, BC and now Penn that his main strengths are not in recruiting. That is why it's essential that he recognize that flaw and surround himself with assistants who can fill in this crucial gap. Objectively, this group of assistants has not done that.

Does Steve realize this but is unable/unwilling to make a change? Does Steve not realize this? I obviously do not know. What seems indisputable is that if (a) Steve is going to remain the head coach of Penn and (b) Penn needs to significantly improve its recruiting, he needs to change his assistant coaching staff.

Ultimately, this comes back to Steve. He is in charge. Some programs need improvements to facilities or more resources in order to be competitive on the recruiting trail. Penn already has the best resources in the league. Penn needs an upgrade to its coaching staff, with a particular focus on assistants that can recruit top talent.
Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts 1877
04-11-22 11:04 PM - Post#340479    

You may be right. I just tend to think that recruits ultimately decide on the entire staff, with the most weight on the head coach. The assistants form relationships, but the head coach is the closer. I could be wrong about how recruits think about this...

nychoops
Junior
Posts 239
04-12-22 08:39 AM - Post#340483    

Gotten a few Dms asking to elaborate on my criticism of the current staffs recruiting “style”, which are very valid so thought I’d just address it here. All of my comments are simply what ive heard from recruits I’ve worked with as well as AAU/HS coaches. The staff represents itself and the university in a first class manor. Since I’m not even a little familiar with the requirements for admissions it’s hard for me to assess their abilities as talent evaluators. Where I’ve heard they fall short is in the modernization, persuit and dogged nature needed with todays kids. I know a few kids that were very interested in Penn and felt the staff didn’t prioritize them( and yes I know these particular kids were both admissible and more that talented enough)in respect to when allowed keeping in constant contact with them. I have a vested interest in this Penn team so let’s hope the staff can pull in a late recruit or a transfer( they are involved with a big who would be of immediate help). Hope everyone and their loved ones are safe and well
Streamers
Professor
Posts 8141
Streamers
04-12-22 09:01 AM - Post#340486    

Speaking for myself, I always enjoy reading posts from one of the two folks on the board who have real insight into our recruiting (Asia being the other.) Thank you.

That said, I’m also frustrated by what is going on with our recruiting, at the the same, I think SD is very competitive and knows he has a problem. I have to believe he is addressing it.
AsiaSunset
Postdoc
Posts 4350
04-12-22 01:44 PM - Post#340517    

I really don’t have any insight. Like others, I would be very disappointed if we end up with a one recruit class. The last time I remember that happening was Dan Solomito’s year.

I like Cameron Thrower and think he will be very good at Penn. My own observation is that Penn Men’s Basketball is pretty backward in terms of utilizing social media. Penn’s effort from team to team is very uneven but Penn men’s Basketball is among the least effective at Penn. Whether this negatively impacts recruiting is debatable, but if I was the coach I’d have a very active social media presence.
Mike Porter
Postdoc
Posts 3614
Mike Porter
04-12-22 07:26 PM - Post#340548    

  • nychoops Said:
Gotten a few Dms asking to elaborate on my criticism of the current staffs recruiting “style”, which are very valid so thought I’d just address it here. All of my comments are simply what ive heard from recruits I’ve worked with as well as AAU/HS coaches. The staff represents itself and the university in a first class manor. Since I’m not even a little familiar with the requirements for admissions it’s hard for me to assess their abilities as talent evaluators. Where I’ve heard they fall short is in the modernization, persuit and dogged nature needed with todays kids. I know a few kids that were very interested in Penn and felt the staff didn’t prioritize them( and yes I know these particular kids were both admissible and more that talented enough)in respect to when allowed keeping in constant contact with them. I have a vested interest in this Penn team so let’s hope the staff can pull in a late recruit or a transfer( they are involved with a big who would be of immediate help). Hope everyone and their loved ones are safe and well



Thank you nychoops for sharing this, and hope you and your family and friends are also well. What is clear is that whatever the staff is doing is not working.

Continuing to recruit the same way, with the same people isn't going to be successful. Recruiting is selling, some people have this skill and some don't (I know this well from experience).

If I'm the boss, and selling isn't my strong suit, I would be damn sure I have an ace seller on my team. I don't see that here, and that is a problem.
Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts 1877
04-12-22 11:21 PM - Post#340555    

You might be right, but nychoops seems to be saying there is a breakdown in the process, not just the closing. We just aren't getting as close to the players as others. This gets perceived as lack of interest.

Sales is a process, and a breakdown at any step along the way can kill the deal. Starting from awareness, building a brand, gaining consideration, selling the proposition, communicating values, and building trust... you have to be #1 in each of these areas to the recruit. Both the head coach and assistants have to be really good at filling the entire value chain. I guess in addition to financial aid, there is now a NIL factor too. If I've learned anything about Gen Z, it is that they are not big believers in delayed gratification. An Ivy degree is still a positive to many, but it may not hold up unless the ivies do a good job on NIL too.

For all of the flak that we gave Amaker about stalking Rosen in the supermarket, I have to admit that I respected the effort and attention to detail shown to recruiting. That's what it takes to win. Gen Z expects to be served. How Amaker knew when and where to be to find Rosen is a bit scary, though.
Mike Porter
Postdoc
Posts 3614
Mike Porter
04-13-22 03:00 AM - Post#340561    

I agree. I was simplifying it for sure. Sales and Partnerships are a process I know well (as it sounds like you do too). You need a mix of skills from opening to closing. It's easier to close if those opening and developing the relationship do a good job. Of course head coach has to help close the deal, but if you're not the guy that is going to be texting and tweeting with kids 24/7, then you better have some killer assistants ready to play the game. That piece of it from my understanding is much more on the assistants.

Regardless, my point remains. The same process with the same people is not going to magically create better results. I like Donahue, I'd love for him to succeed. Recruiting is absolutely critical and it is not good enough now.

This leaves you with 3 options that I see:

1. Accept mediocrity in recruiting and hope for the best.
2. Change up some amount of assistant coaching personnel with a focus on recruiting.
3. Change entire coaching staff.

None of these are fun, but I particularly don't like 1 or 3 right now, so I'd start with 2.
SomeGuy
Professor
Posts 6391
04-13-22 08:26 AM - Post#340562    

Pushing back on this a bit, hasn’t Donahue publicly talked about this very thing (re-evaluating recruiting and trying to get higher rated recruits)? Making changes to recruiting takes time because of how early in high school teams make contact now. You can’t just flip a switch — because it takes years to build those relationships. It is possible that the single commitment this year is actually evidence of the change in focus.

Also, picking up on nychoops statements about uncertainty regarding some of the external factors that can impact recruiting. I know there has been a reduction in the number of basketball recruits Ivies can bring in during a 4 year cycle. I don’t know exactly what the number is (nor do we always know who qualifies as a walk-on, etc.), but you can’t just bring in 6 guys every year anymore. So we don’t know (or at least I don’t) exactly how many spots Penn has to give. It’s more opaque than knowing how many scholarships a high major has open.
91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1123
04-13-22 08:39 AM - Post#340563    

Just going to agree with almost all of what Mike is saying here.

And in regards to Steve changing recruiting and the player limits, we are failing compared to the other Ivies. We are not out there on social media or it seems in person as much as almost every other Ivy. And the results bear this out along with comments from knowledgeable posters such as NYCHoops.

Betting on finding and developing under the radar recruits is not a long term formula for success. Our recruiting is failing.
AsiaSunset
Postdoc
Posts 4350
04-13-22 09:00 AM - Post#340565    

I’m pretty sure there is no limit on the number of basketball recruits. There is a limit on the total number of non football recruits spread across all of the non football sports. Penn has to manage desired allocations across these sports. I doubt very much that we have a 1 recruit class this year as a result of bumping up against a Penn imposed limit on the number of mens bb recruits
hoopsfan
Masters Student
Posts 642
04-13-22 10:55 AM - Post#340574    

The limit on total number of players is set by each school.
There is a limit of 13 players on each team who can receive financial aid.
OldBig5
Masters Student
Posts 639
04-13-22 11:20 AM - Post#340577    

Can someone recap where we are in 2022 recruiting? Next year's incoming class. I lost track.
section110
Masters Student
Posts 847
04-13-22 02:44 PM - Post#340592    

Our only recruit commit so far is Cameron Thrower, 6'5 guard from Harvard-Westlake in LA Seems like a good get; but as of now no others.

We were involved with two No//Mt. Hermon players who are goubg to Columbia; a 6'6 Sf to Princeton. The two most highly touted are Chisolm Okpara, 6'8 who chose Harvard over us, Yale Brown & Columbia & some majors; and Danny Wolf 6'10 to Yale, also from N/MH. This is all from Verbal Commits; there may be better informatio out there.
PennFan10
Postdoc
Posts 3578
04-13-22 02:59 PM - Post#340593    

We have at least 1 other commitment for 2022 that I have heard about. Don't know details but it is a 6-9 type kid from California. I heard he had an official recently and has committed. I also believe there are a few others still in the works, not sure where we are in those situations.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 21081
04-13-22 04:51 PM - Post#340603    

So a Pitcher and a Thrower in the Ivy League.

Did they pick the wrong sport?
besnoah
Masters Student
Posts 803
04-13-22 06:13 PM - Post#340609    

FWIW, I assume one of the players nychoops is referring to is Ikenna Ude-Smith.

I cannot imagine that the California commit is Braeden Moore, but he is a prospect who sort of meets the profile, who is out there, and who I am aware of having had Penn interest.
Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts 1877
04-14-22 12:16 AM - Post#340616    

Both of those guys would help our team. Both are big, athletic, and have skills. Perfect for a Donahue forward.

  • besnoah Said:
FWIW, I assume one of the players nychoops is referring to is Ikenna Ude-Smith.

I cannot imagine that the California commit is Braeden Moore, but he is a prospect who sort of meets the profile, who is out there, and who I am aware of having had Penn interest.



section110
Masters Student
Posts 847
04-14-22 09:13 AM - Post#340618    

One of the recruiting sites lists Moore as committed to Rutgers.
besnoah
Masters Student
Posts 803
04-14-22 09:31 AM - Post#340619    

I think there is no chance it is him, so this doesn't matter much, but he decommitted from Rutgers 6 months ago.
AsiaSunset
Postdoc
Posts 4350
04-14-22 09:31 AM - Post#340620    

Braeden Moore decommitted from Rutgers but I too doubt he is mystery recruit #2 (assuming there is indeed one)
PennFan10
Postdoc
Posts 3578
04-14-22 12:39 PM - Post#340621    

Braedon Moore is definitely not recruit #2.

Cam Thrower is an excellent 3pt shooter (he also averaged 45% from 3 on the Under Armor Circuit against high major competition). He is a catch and shoot 3pt shooter, moves well without the ball and has a quick release. Being 6-4+ will help as well. He also rebounds his position well. He will have to get quicker to guard the perimeter in our league and will have to work on his ball skills. He is not much of a vertical threat or a speed guy. A good addition for sure.
LocalTiger
Masters Student
Posts 406
04-14-22 02:00 PM - Post#340625    

Thrower sounds like Langborg. Despite palestra 39's
dismissal, he has proven to be an Ivy League difference-maker.
OldBig5
Masters Student
Posts 639
04-14-22 05:17 PM - Post#340633    

Thanks for the updates folks.
UPIA1968
PhD Student
Posts 1116
UPIA1968
04-14-22 07:50 PM - Post#340637    

In other years Penn introduced its new class in Mid June so we have two months to wait for the final tally.
Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts 1877
04-14-22 09:42 PM - Post#340640    

Any hints about the California big or whether he is a great get?


nychoops
Junior
Posts 239
04-14-22 09:46 PM - Post#340641    

I’m unaware of an unannounced Cali Penn committ.. that DEFINITELY doesn’t mean their isn’t one just not one that I know of.
AsiaSunset
Postdoc
Posts 4350
04-15-22 06:07 PM - Post#340660    

I spent an hour today looking for a 2nd commitment on social media. If we indeed have a 2nd commitment, I couldn’t find a single footprint to verify that he exists. Not saying one way or the other, but it makes you wonder.
SomeGuy
Professor
Posts 6391
04-15-22 10:58 PM - Post#340663    

Yes, unusual these days. Obviously a guy like Moore isn’t going to be an unannounced recruit.

There is one Princeton commit who has been talked about on the board that hasn’t been picked up by verbal commits and others. But if you look for him, you can find him. Not so with this Penn recruit.
Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts 1877
04-15-22 11:59 PM - Post#340664    

Unless the family doesn't want to disclose yet? Or final admissions is pending?

I'm seeing Kepnang back in the transfer portal. Maybe he's after that Ivy scholarship again. Also Andrew Funk, who was on our radar years ago. I recall watching his HS game on YouTube, hoping a standout player was him. It wound up the player was Colin Gillespie. Funk has had a nice run at Bucknell.
SomeGuy
Professor
Posts 6391
04-16-22 08:18 AM - Post#340665    

How does the “no grad transfers” rule work with guys who get an extra Covid year? I would guess that we couldn’t bring in a guy who would be a fifth year. Might depend on whether or not Funk has graduated.
besnoah
Masters Student
Posts 803
04-16-22 09:15 AM - Post#340666    

Andrew Funk committed to Penn State last week.
Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts 1877
04-16-22 11:50 AM - Post#340669    

I was close!!! I forgot we’re “Not Penn State!”
PennFan10
Postdoc
Posts 3578
04-17-22 03:38 PM - Post#340672    

  • AsiaSunset Said:
I spent an hour today looking for a 2nd commitment on social media. If we indeed have a 2nd commitment, I couldn’t find a single footprint to verify that he exists. Not saying one way or the other, but it makes you wonder.



I have independently confirmed my initial report of a 2nd recruit. Definitely have 2. Not aware of any others.

I don’t know why the 2nd recruit is not yet public but it’s not my place to report the name, etc. It will be public when it’s appropriate.

Buckeye Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1601
04-18-22 06:54 PM - Post#340679    


LMAO!! So this is what it's come to. Really? If this wasn't so pathetic it would be hilarious.
OldBig5
Masters Student
Posts 639
04-18-22 07:13 PM - Post#340680    

  • PennFan10 Said:
  • AsiaSunset Said:
I spent an hour today looking for a 2nd commitment on social media. If we indeed have a 2nd commitment, I couldn’t find a single footprint to verify that he exists. Not saying one way or the other, but it makes you wonder.



I have independently confirmed my initial report of a 2nd recruit. Definitely have 2. Not aware of any others.

I don’t know why the 2nd recruit is not yet public but it’s not my place to report the name, etc. It will be public when it’s appropriate.



And then there were two; better than one.

nychoops
Junior
Posts 239
04-26-22 07:32 PM - Post#340881    

Tobe was a man at the EYBL…. Picked up offers from MD, Pitt, SJU with others to come. Ship has sailed
91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1123
05-01-22 07:38 PM - Post#340953    

Louis Hutchinson committed to Rhode Island.
UPIA1968
PhD Student
Posts 1116
UPIA1968
05-20-22 06:53 PM - Post#341682    

Is recruiting done for this year?



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