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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-16-19 07:58 PM - Post#291229
I'm thinking about going to this one--will probably be the only game in the regular season I'd be able to make in person. Anyone have any ideas or suggestions about parking by the Kirby Sports Center? |
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Stuart Suss PhD Student Posts 1439 |
11-16-19 08:06 PM - Post#291230
Park in the multilevel facility on the other side of the football field. There is no charge for parking and plenty of parking spots will be available. Walk past the football field, along the back of the end zone, in order to reach Kirby. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-16-19 10:00 PM - Post#291242
Thank you! |
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omegahouse Freshman Posts 84 
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11-16-19 11:21 PM - Post#291251
College Hill Tavern is nice, both before and after the game. Only a few blocks from Kirby. |
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jmverlin Junior Posts 218 |
11-17-19 08:19 PM - Post#291315
Whenever I've covered games at Lafayette, I've been able to find street parking easily near the stadium. It's not difficult. Jealous of those of you who are going up, it's a great little gym and should be a fun game. Lafayette's Justin Jaworski is a local kid (Perkiomen Valley) who was totally unheralded and has had a terrific career thus far. - JV |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2215
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11-17-19 09:25 PM - Post#291320
College Hill Tavern is nice, both before and after the game. Only a few blocks from Kirby. The wife and I went up there for the football game this year, and I was surprised at how little dining there was on the top of the hill. There's a lot more at the bottom of the hill in downtown; however, being a Tuesday night, you might need to get there early and have dinner, because I'm not sure that much will be open after the game.
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omegahouse Freshman Posts 84
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11-18-19 12:31 AM - Post#291324
There are some very nice spots to eat downtown(try Pearly Baker or The Bayou, the latter if you like New Orleans or Southern cooking). |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
11-19-19 11:27 AM - Post#291443
Mrs. Maple and I will be there. Please reach out if you'd like to say hi during or after. |
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Cvonvorys Postdoc Posts 4525 
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11-19-19 11:53 AM - Post#291445
Looks like Penn is -5.5 with the under/over at 143. Thoughts? |
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Ancient Quaker Masters Student Posts 648
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11-19-19 12:41 PM - Post#291454
I'll take Penn and the over. |
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frank Junior Posts 211 |
11-19-19 12:50 PM - Post#291455
Any TV? |
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DCAJedi Masters Student Posts 582 |
11-19-19 02:18 PM - Post#291466
https://watchstadium.com/live/penn-at-lafayett e-2/
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Cvonvorys Postdoc Posts 4525
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11-19-19 02:43 PM - Post#291470
FYI: https://www.goleopards.com/news/2019/11/18/mens- ho... |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 
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11-19-19 06:08 PM - Post#291494
Things I’d like to see: 1) A win, haha, this is most important 2) Seniors continuing to play well 3) Washington getting back on track and comfortable in role off bench 4) Non-Dingle frosh producing more points off bench |
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Cvonvorys Postdoc Posts 4525
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11-19-19 06:16 PM - Post#291496
5) Simmons have a strong performance... |
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10Q Professor Posts 23549 |
11-19-19 06:18 PM - Post#291497
6) Wang showing some moves on the bench |
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Lefteroo Senior Posts 398 |
11-19-19 06:18 PM - Post#291498
Do you know if the telecast will be archived? I don't think I can watch it live this evening. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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11-19-19 07:38 PM - Post#291506
Not sure but I hope so as well. I would guess yes based on watching previous games on Stadium platform (and if they broadcast and have video anyway would be silly not to archive). |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
11-19-19 07:43 PM - Post#291507
5) Simmons have a strong performance... Second. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
11-19-19 07:52 PM - Post#291509
6) Solid contributions from Eddie Scott at both ends of the floor |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 07:53 PM - Post#291510
13 guys are dressed on the bench during national anthem. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3781 |
11-19-19 07:55 PM - Post#291511
Greetings from Easton. Crowd of maybe 200. Sitting in section 7, aka Upper Slobovia. Wang is here, but not dressed. I think he’s going to be our Sasquatch. |
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Stuart Suss PhD Student Posts 1439 |
11-19-19 07:56 PM - Post#291513
Radio broadcast reports that Jordan Dingle is injured and did not make the trip to Easton. No specifics were provided. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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11-19-19 08:02 PM - Post#291515
#%$@... are you kidding me? Hope it isn’t serious |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:03 PM - Post#291516
I don’t see Wang. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:04 PM - Post#291517
Scott gets the start along with Washington |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:04 PM - Post#291518
No Dingle. Injured, left in Philadelphia. EDIT: ah, I see Stu beat me. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
11-19-19 08:06 PM - Post#291519
Probably going to get a Mark Jackson sighting tonight. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:11 PM - Post#291520
We still can’t shoot. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:12 PM - Post#291521
Eddie Scott turns head, burned on back cut. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:13 PM - Post#291522
For whatever reason, AJ not looking good so far in the low post. But we’re hanging in there. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:13 PM - Post#291523
Finally Ryan gets one. Now on our season %, 1-5 from 3. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:14 PM - Post#291524
Bryce still doesn’t look fully set on those 3 attempts. |
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Penn7277 PhD Student Posts 1365 |
11-19-19 08:15 PM - Post#291526
I know Steve likes the three, but they shoot entirely too many threes. The only one who can consistently hit them is Ryan. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:17 PM - Post#291527
Jerome who just entered for Washington is slow on the switch leading to a wide open 3 for Lafayette. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:19 PM - Post#291528
CANNOT. GO. UNDER. SCREENS. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:19 PM - Post#291529
Scott did a nice job on the switch against a smaller and speedier defender, causing an out of bounds turnover. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:20 PM - Post#291530
Ray Jerome feeling it. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:21 PM - Post#291531
Martz who entered for Scott does too |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 08:23 PM - Post#291532
JD is so hurt that he can’t even make the trip?!?! Are you kidding? And we know nothing?? |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:23 PM - Post#291533
Jerome makes Martz reach down and away for the kickout pass, so he doesn’t shoot the three and instead tries to ball fake and drive. Travels instead. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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11-19-19 08:24 PM - Post#291534
Nice to see Max Martz get on the board but then follows it up with a walk when he should have shot it again. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:25 PM - Post#291535
A.J. has looked a little flustered by the 6’10†center. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:26 PM - Post#291536
They started him in the high post early on but he couldn’t take advantage out there either. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:27 PM - Post#291537
Again Jerome goes under a screen and Jaworski gets an open look. Fortunately he was off the dribble from the foul line, which is not his game. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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11-19-19 08:29 PM - Post#291538
Nice frosh mins here. Simmons got screwed by ref with over the back when he just jumped higher |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:29 PM - Post#291539
Scott having trouble on both ends. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
11-19-19 08:30 PM - Post#291540
Simmons and everyone else are always going to get called for that. He needs to tap that ball up instead of going for it with two hands. Martz looking good on offense. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:31 PM - Post#291541
Scott having trouble on both ends. That last set looked really screwed up. He was diving the lane for the pass from Goodman, but actually ran into Jerome on the way. Gotta think either Ray was out of position there, or Eddie took the wrong angle on the cut. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:32 PM - Post#291542
Another bad feed by Jerome. Who now heads to the bench. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:34 PM - Post#291544
Finally AJ with an inside move. Dingle’s absence really felt. We don’t have a real point guard who can break the other guys down. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:35 PM - Post#291545
Finally AJ with an inside move. Dingle’s absence really felt. We don’t have a real point guard who can break the other guys down. He had to take it from the top of the key and back down on the dribble to get it. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:36 PM - Post#291546
Bryce again looking lost. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 08:36 PM - Post#291547
This is terribly frustrating to watch. When will the injuries end. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:36 PM - Post#291548
Goodman with a nice drive and a good finish on a tough make. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:38 PM - Post#291549
Egregious turnover by Jerome, who has had a few. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:38 PM - Post#291550
Ray Jerome hero balls his way into a turnover. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 08:39 PM - Post#291551
Ryan falls away on a 3 and predictably comes up short. Time after time. Nice to see Max shooting well. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
11-19-19 08:39 PM - Post#291552
Our defense mostly looks pretty weak. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:40 PM - Post#291553
Scott, Washington and Jerome the chief culprits. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:41 PM - Post#291554
That’s some terrible officiating. Lafayette dribbles ball off A.J.’s knee, and the guy 25-feet away on far side of floor calls a kick. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:42 PM - Post#291555
Defense is embarrassingly bad. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 08:43 PM - Post#291556
Another 3 not set and an airball this time. Best again backdoor. Sigh. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:43 PM - Post#291557
AJ don’t hesitate on the move when the sub is on you. You got the hoop anyways but just go for it. Edit: after that 2nd straight AJ hoop he howls for the foul call. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:45 PM - Post#291559
Brodeur, Betley, and Goodman failing to execute a triangle play and creating a turnover and easy score the other way when A.J. falls down reaching for bad pass. Awful. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 08:45 PM - Post#291560
Welp, going to go in to half losing most likely. If they want to win they need to play d. And we need some Jordan info. 3 turnovers and around 50% from 3 for Lafayette. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 08:46 PM - Post#291561
Nice dive on that 3 there Louganis. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:47 PM - Post#291562
To show you how bad the D is: Lafayette has been a turnover machine in the early going, dumping it on nearly 25% of their possessions. Tonight: 3 TOs in the half. We’re letting them get anywhere they want on the floor whenever they want. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
11-19-19 08:47 PM - Post#291563
Defense is embarrassingly bad. But our spacing looks awesome! |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
11-19-19 08:49 PM - Post#291566
That D was painful to watch. Steve will give them an earful. |
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Stuart Suss PhD Student Posts 1439 |
11-19-19 08:51 PM - Post#291567
As Chip and others have noted, the defense on the part of both teams is awful. Lafayette is scoring 1.25 points per possession and Penn is scoring 1.22 points. Neither team is forcing turnovers; but Penn is poorer in that respect. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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11-19-19 08:51 PM - Post#291568
We have up 40 points in a half to Lafayette... Lafayette... Defense was atrocious on so many levels. If we don’t get our crap together we lose this one. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
11-19-19 08:51 PM - Post#291569
We're getting killed on the back cuts. It's not as if we don't see those plays every day in practice, you know? I think part of the issue with AJ is that the defense is looking to collapse two or three guys on him when he goes to work in the low post. Martz, mistakes aside, has looked pretty good so far. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:51 PM - Post#291570
Well, we finally got AJ going. We’re going to need that to set everything else up. Yeah, defensively it’s not pretty. At least we are holding our own on the boards. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 08:52 PM - Post#291571
61% on 2s for Lafayette. 56% on 3s. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
11-19-19 08:56 PM - Post#291572
Can't just run them off the three point line. We do that, and there's an immediate cutter going to the basket who takes the pass from the original shooter. Off-ball defenders need to see the ball and the player they're defending. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 08:57 PM - Post#291573
Martz is also vocally active on the court. He has been shouting out defensive switches. At times to Jerome. Who apparently is hard of hearing.
Martz, mistakes aside, has looked pretty good so far. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:00 PM - Post#291575
Is anyone else extraordinary worried about a Jordan? Guys don’t usually just miss trips... |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:04 PM - Post#291576
Goodman got caught in a horrendous double switch against their big guy and amazingly created a turnover that led to a Scott 3. That was big. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:05 PM - Post#291577
Goodman helps off screen, gives up wide open 3 to Jaworski. So stupid. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:06 PM - Post#291578
AJ in the high post has not worked tonight. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:08 PM - Post#291579
How many fouls on one play not called? I counted 2 and maybe 3. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:08 PM - Post#291580
Replay shows A.J. getting fouled at least 3 times on that shot-and-putback sequence in the low post. No calls. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:09 PM - Post#291581
Jerome and Monroe both in. Cross your fingers. Might not last long. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
11-19-19 09:09 PM - Post#291582
You sure that wasn't four fouls? |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
11-19-19 09:10 PM - Post#291583
A Bryce (from last year) sighting! |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:10 PM - Post#291584
WTF was that Bryce? |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
11-19-19 09:11 PM - Post#291585
Never mind. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:12 PM - Post#291586
Can we PLEASE play some d. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:12 PM - Post#291587
Unwatchable. The collapsing is just so stupid. 10 3s. Lol. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:13 PM - Post#291589
4 man swap. Washington stays. Monroe looked OK out there. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:13 PM - Post#291590
Jaworski moving screen, but foul goes on A.J. of course. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:14 PM - Post#291591
Did Simmons just knock that in himself? |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:14 PM - Post#291592
Simmons scores for Lafayette . |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:14 PM - Post#291593
Where was Devon going? |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
11-19-19 09:16 PM - Post#291595
Unwatchable. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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11-19-19 09:16 PM - Post#291596
I had to stop watching but worth noting we have let 7!!! Lafayette players hit a 3... |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:16 PM - Post#291597
This season is getting away from us quickly. Losing at Lafayette AND Rice as big favorites is not a good sign. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:16 PM - Post#291598
In deep, deep trouble because we’re getting no stops on D, and are now stopping ourselves on O with bad decisions. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:16 PM - Post#291599
Play of the game right there. Betley forced up an off balance way out 3, baseball pass to acrobatic and 1 with Washington picking up the foul 8 point game and we need AJ back pronto. And keep Betley in so he can find him. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
11-19-19 09:17 PM - Post#291600
We are not playing well enough to win this game. Defense is abysmal. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:18 PM - Post#291601
The number of times a bad turnover or shot immediately comes back to bite us is over 60% easy. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:19 PM - Post#291602
Another poor footwork forced 3, this time by Bryce. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:19 PM - Post#291603
Washington looking horrid on both ends there. AJ at double figures but we’re down by the same. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:20 PM - Post#291605
No stops. Rinse, repeat. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:21 PM - Post#291606
Leopards didn’t score there but Jerome again scampering out of position. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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11-19-19 09:22 PM - Post#291607
So we are down 11....... to Lafayette? |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:22 PM - Post#291608
Ray has no idea where he is on defense. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:22 PM - Post#291609
Anyone seen Betley? |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:23 PM - Post#291610
Nice block by AJ but Scott with the subsequent loose ball foul. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:23 PM - Post#291612
Foul on penn?!?! Lolol. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:23 PM - Post#291613
Ray has no idea where he is on defense. And stares at rebound on floor as Lafayette player dives for it. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:24 PM - Post#291614
Betley with another hurried 3 attempt. Long rebound easy baseball pass and we’re down 13. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:27 PM - Post#291617
Laying down now. We’ve got three seniors and no one’s stepping up to make a play. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:27 PM - Post#291618
If we don’t come back this is a total team loss. No one has played particularly well on either end of the floor. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
11-19-19 09:28 PM - Post#291619
This game shows how important Dingle has become to this team in a very short period of time. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:28 PM - Post#291620
Think I might be out. Watching this and getting upset isn’t good for my health. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:29 PM - Post#291621
AJ finally getting assertive and going right to the hoop from the low post. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:30 PM - Post#291622
None of this matters if Jordan is seriously hurt. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:30 PM - Post#291623
First time with stops on consecutive possessions in forever. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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11-19-19 09:31 PM - Post#291624
I’m already out. PN do you see any signs of coming back? Would love it but don’t see a single sign of that. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:31 PM - Post#291625
The Penn corner at Kirby comes to life. Not dead just yet. Down 8 with 6 to play after that Goodman 3. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:31 PM - Post#291626
Smart TO by Franny O. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:32 PM - Post#291627
Dude just shushed the Penn bench after ending the game with a 3. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:33 PM - Post#291628
Goodman loses his footing to let Jaworski get an open 3, then forces a ridiculous drive into traffic to travel. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:33 PM - Post#291629
After two no-calls on two carries Jaworski nails a high arcing 3 |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:34 PM - Post#291630
Bogus bailout call on Betley there. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:35 PM - Post#291631
Another dumb play by Devon. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:36 PM - Post#291632
2nd straight call where their center gets bailed out Not looking good. Leopards have been milking clock but still managing to get points up more often than not. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:36 PM - Post#291633
Just a brutal loss and now we hold our collective breath. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:36 PM - Post#291634
Jarrett does the double arm swim through Ray Jerome after a defensive switch leaves Jerome isolated on the big, and of course they call the off-the-ball foul on Ray. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
11-19-19 09:37 PM - Post#291635
Goodman is having a really rough game running the point. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
11-19-19 09:37 PM - Post#291637
We are not going to win a game against a team that shoots 55% from 3. If they don't miss every 3 pt shot down the stretch to normalize this percentage, this game is over. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:40 PM - Post#291640
I’m sorry but this team can’t survive more than 10 mins a game from Jerome. And the ref from 25 feet away makes the call on AJ. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:41 PM - Post#291641
As mentioned earlier we don’t have a point guard for this game. Dingle really makes a difference. Still lurking down 6. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
11-19-19 09:41 PM - Post#291642
We need a stop. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:42 PM - Post#291643
These refs are a joke. An absolute joke. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:43 PM - Post#291644
They are but if we continue to give up 80 points a night we are in for a challenging year. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:44 PM - Post#291645
Color guy has elevated us to defending Ivy champs in quest of overselling this win. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 09:48 PM - Post#291648
On the good news front: The charter bus is in the parking lot, engine running. Does not appear to be broken down. Good night. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-19-19 09:50 PM - Post#291649
Who can this team turn to when they need a big stop? I never thought they’d miss Woods so badly. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
11-19-19 09:52 PM - Post#291650
Right now, I don't see anyone among the perimeter defenders who has either the ability or the mindset. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:52 PM - Post#291651
Did radio crew give any update on Dingle’s injury? |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 09:53 PM - Post#291652
Right now, I don't see anyone among the perimeter defenders who has either the ability or the mindset. Coaching staff did some serious pre-season hyping of Washington’s improvement there that looks pretty ridiculous right now. |
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UPIA1968 PhD Student Posts 1122
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11-19-19 10:26 PM - Post#291658
Yes, This team will have difficulty winning without Dingle, but let's be specific about why that is true. The is a VERY bad defensive team so far. It must score big to be competitive. Note that the Lafayette forwards got only 25 of the 86 points. The problem is clearly in the pENN backcourt. Importantly we have two seniors among the 4 guards, a combination that should be able to play D by now. Still, the other 5 players who saW time on the perimeter have little experience and show it. Also it is sadly obvious how important Antonio was to the defense the last two years. I was worried about that and hoped they would be able to play some D and get more offense. So far the D has not appeared and Betley for one has not brought his A game back with him. I am tempted to feel good about Bryce's shooting and Martz's shooting tonight - but IT'S DEFENSE STUPID! |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-19-19 10:35 PM - Post#291659
It’s the help and switching on the perimeter where the problems are, and the inexperienced guys (including not only the freshmen, but returning bench guys like Scott & Jerome) have got to get up to speed, and fast. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
11-19-19 11:20 PM - Post#291664
I have no news about Dingle. Came out of the blue. It must have happened this week in practice. Hopefully it's not serious. As I have mentioned, to win the Ivy League you have to either be top 75 in Offense or Defense. We are currently 134 offense and 129 defense. Unfortunately, that's what we are right now. Our defense is significantly worse than last year (94) and our offense is significantly better (181). If we can get sub 100 on offense, and maintain a 120ish defensive rating, we can make a run. Otherwise this could be a long season. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-19-19 11:38 PM - Post#291665
The only takeaway from this game is that Lafayette can now punch its ticket to Allston in March. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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11-20-19 12:00 AM - Post#291666
This was a brutal loss. Full stop. Losing to Rice and Lafayette and giving up 80 and 86 points respectively... not a lot you can say except that it was and is terrible. What I can say is: 1) This shows how important it is to have continuous recruiting classes that are good and/or big enough to sustain. This team is hurting because the Junior class was small and best player has never seen the floor (good mins from Scott in a support role but seems like Simmons is just never going to put it together) and the Soph class was really 2 players in Washington and Wang and Wang is hurt and Washington struggling. The Frosh are good but 2020 class isn’t looking nearly as strong so if we don’t land some more quality recruits this will come back again later to hurt us. 2) Sure doesn’t feel like top of cycle season with the injuries, does it? A little disappointed even with the seniors and super disappointed with next 3 games considering where we started. Even La Salle in a win we didn’t look brilliant. 3) If Dingle is hurt for long, it’s going to get A LOT worse before it gets better because the rest of Nov will be very tough. @ Providence, cross country to play UCF and if we somehow manage to win that likely much more difficult games to follow. 4) Time left but the schedule gamble after the injuries is backfiring so far. If we can’t win at UCF and play the mediocre side of the bracket, this will have been a disaster of a schedule. Seniors need to step up and own this team. Not a great game for any of them. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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11-20-19 12:04 AM - Post#291667
Oh and if we play D on Sat like we did today, I suspect we will lose something like 120-75. I mean, I can’t believe how many 3’s we gave up and then when we pressured the 3’s they killed us on cuts to the basket. Just crap defense all around. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-20-19 12:16 AM - Post#291668
They also hit numerous mid-range shots. (Calling them "mid-range" isn't quite right, though. They were relatively short 2 point shots). Really, they scored just about every way imaginable.
Oh and if we play D on Sat like we did today, I suspect we will lose something like 120-75. I mean, I can’t believe how many 3’s we gave up and then when we pressured the 3’s they killed us on cuts to the basket. Just crap defense all around. |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2215
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11-20-19 01:22 AM - Post#291673
Glad I had a nice quiet night of discussion scheduled at church tonight. Think I will not spoil my mood by watching the replay. 
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4369 |
11-20-19 06:46 AM - Post#291675
This debacle demonstrates what could happen in any Ivy game against teams that execute their motion offense and hits their shots. It’s very early and there is time to improve. Last night won’t get the job done. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23549 |
11-20-19 07:55 AM - Post#291678
Plenty of time to get healthy and improve. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
11-20-19 08:42 AM - Post#291681
Yes, that’s the problem I’m worried about. Lafayette kind of made our defense look the way we made Alabama look. Weirdly, we match up better when we do not have the athletic advantage. There is time, and it is possible that the tough OOC will leave us battle tested and stronger for the Ivy season. But I am afraid we are struggling to match up with the teams that run stuff similar to what we will see in conference — and the teams that seemed most aware of what we would try to do. Lafayette, like Rice, seemed ready for our offense, while Alabama didn’t have a clue. That said, Lafayette didn’t really stop us — they just outscored us. |
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Penn7277 PhD Student Posts 1365 |
11-20-19 09:02 AM - Post#291684
I believe that the Quakers need to start taking some of the shots that Steve doesn't like, the mid-range shots. They aren't hitting enough of the shots he likes. |
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Quaker75 Freshman Posts 37 |
11-20-19 09:19 AM - Post#291692
It's a marathon and not a sprint. We will be there. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
11-20-19 09:32 AM - Post#291701
Replacing a 5 year senior with a freshman, who then suffers an injury and may miss some time is a perilous situation. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3068 |
11-20-19 09:51 AM - Post#291706
https://www.mcall.com/sports/college/mc-spt -penn-l... https://www.thedp.com/article/2019/11/penn- mens-ba... Neither article has any specifics about Dingle's injury. A huge difference from last year's 91-61 win at the Palestra. Looking at KenPom, Lafayette has some pretty impressive numbers - 15th in effective field goal % & 3 point %, 41st in 2 point % and 45th in FT %. They have now beaten Columbia, Princeton and Penn, while being an underdog in each game. If they beat Cornell on December 7th, they will complete (I'm guessing) a rare four team Ivy sweep. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-20-19 09:53 AM - Post#291707
Like I said, they can already punch their ticket to Allston in March. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23549 |
11-20-19 10:05 AM - Post#291714
Yes it is. I'm going for optimism right now. There's plenty of time to go the other way. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001
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11-20-19 11:23 AM - Post#291726
I believe that the Quakers need to start taking some of the shots that Steve doesn't like, the mid-range shots. They aren't hitting enough of the shots he likes. I hope this is the very last thing they do. They scored 1.14 points per possession last night! Offense is not the problem! |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1904 |
11-20-19 11:52 AM - Post#291731
I didn't watch the game, but I'm guessing the ball movement on offense was slow against a "lesser" opponent, just as they seem to do against Ivy teams. Gotta keep the tempo - the movement creates the flow and open looks. Our team does not have dominant isolation players, except possibly Brodeur. But when we slow things down, we give teams chances to zero in on him more. We have to play as if our opponent is an SEC school every time. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-20-19 11:59 AM - Post#291732
A big problem was actually when AJ got the ball down low--that's when it really, really slowed down. More often than not, he waited too long and the outcome was not positive. He had more success when he was more assertive right away. Goodman drove well a couple of times, but for the most part we didn't have anyone who could break down the defense and create the kind of flow you described. That's not to say that we didn't have a lot of open shots, though--we did.
I didn't watch the game, but I'm guessing the ball movement on offense was slow against a "lesser" opponent, just as they seem to do against Ivy teams. Gotta keep the tempo - the movement creates the flow and open looks. Our team does not have dominant isolation players, except possibly Brodeur. But when we slow things down, we give teams chances to zero in on him more. We have to play as if our opponent is an SEC school every time. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
11-20-19 01:21 PM - Post#291736
I believe that the Quakers need to start taking some of the shots that Steve doesn't like, the mid-range shots. They aren't hitting enough of the shots he likes. I hope this is the very last thing they do. They scored 1.14 points per possession last night! Offense is not the problem! This! You guys are talking about offense. We scored 75 points, which is enough to win. We have given up 80 in 3 of 4 games. We either have to increase the offensive output and score 90 or increase the defensive production and limit them to 72. I don't think this team is going to be a great defensive team. Last year we could stay in front of people who drove the ball and didn't really double team. This year all of our freshmen get beat off the dribble or go under screens on shooters and Ryan hasn't gotten back to a quality level of defense yet. That means we have to focus on scoring more in my opinion because we aren't going to be able to make huge defensive improvements unless Max LL and/or Jonah Charles are defensive stoppers. |
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SteveChop PhD Student Posts 1156 |
11-20-19 01:23 PM - Post#291737
Just a thought. Wonder if the longer distance for 3 pointers is contributing to the difficulties we are having and why our percentage on them is so low. If that's the case, maybe it is time to take some 10-12 foot shots. That, however, does nothing to solve the defensive woes that we have been suffering, i.e. 3 out of 4 games giving up more than 80 points. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-20-19 04:15 PM - Post#291763
It's not the length of the shots, as our opponents have demonstrated, it's the selection of them and not being set. The offense is generating enough good looks. As has been said ad nauseam, unless the defense improves or someone on offense makes a huge leap, it's going to be tough. Watching bad defense is not fun and very quickly the fight to come back in games will start to fade if their d isn't ever going to give them a chance. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
11-20-19 04:37 PM - Post#291771
How on earth couldn't Jerome Allen win with Antonio and Foreman? |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
11-20-19 04:57 PM - Post#291773
How on earth couldn't Jerome Allen win with Antonio and Foreman? Foreman didn't become Foreman until after the coaching change. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
11-20-19 05:31 PM - Post#291781
they put up 22 shots at the 3 point line compared to us putting up 33. remember, James harden aside, it's more about preventing shots being taken than worrying about 3 pt % against us. All else equal, we will gladly take that. shots are going in right now for the other team. that will revert. Stay the course. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32906 |
11-20-19 05:36 PM - Post#291784
And get our best athletes back out there |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
11-20-19 10:43 PM - Post#291850
To me, the worst thing we can do is start taking lower percentage shots that produce fewer points per possession. Goodman, Betley, Washington, and AJ are all shooting at least 100 percentage points lower than last year from 3. I don’t think they all have irretrievably forgotten how to shoot the ball. Yes, our style of play results in a couple of clunkers every year where we shoot a million 3s and miss most of them. But over the course of a season our approach is sound. We will hit more shots. As Jeff points out, opponents will miss more, too. On continuing to shoot 3s, I’ll tell you what I say to the kids I coach almost every timeout when the other team gets on a run and our kids get a little down. “What we do works. Just keep doing what we do.†I’m usually right. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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11-20-19 11:50 PM - Post#291855
Couldn’t agree more here. As a fan I’m very frustrated with the issues we saw in Rice and Lafayette games and of course our 3 point shooting hasn’t been good... BUT the strategy is right and honestly that hasn’t been the reason we lost those games. Plus the reality is the guys missing are below their own average right now so some point we will see a correction. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
11-21-19 12:41 AM - Post#291856
For much of the game, O'Hanlon had a defender cover Goodman when we inbounded at our own end, at least until he got the ball. It was clear that Lafayette didn't want us running and gunning full court--and they largely succeeded.
I didn't watch the game, but I'm guessing the ball movement on offense was slow against a "lesser" opponent, just as they seem to do against Ivy teams. Gotta keep the tempo - the movement creates the flow and open looks. Our team does not have dominant isolation players, except possibly Brodeur. But when we slow things down, we give teams chances to zero in on him more. We have to play as if our opponent is an SEC school every time. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6415 |
11-21-19 08:38 PM - Post#291955
I’m sure we can figure out how to function with Goodman as the lone ball handler, but we are set up to play with 2 combos out there. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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12-03-19 11:45 PM - Post#293482
Well it doesn’t make me feel much better about it and wish we had Dingle for game, BUT Lafayette just DEMOLISHED St. Joes at St. Joes 94-71. Their KP rating jumped from 219 before game to 186 after, so their offense is looking really good (even though St. Joes is short staffed). |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
12-03-19 11:50 PM - Post#293484
Curious to know how many backdoor layups they got tonight. They just killed Penn with the cutters all night long. And when not cutting, they were nailing open jumpers and threes. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21307 |
12-03-19 11:57 PM - Post#293485
They jumped from 180 to 154 in Torvik rankings. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
12-04-19 12:28 AM - Post#293489
Well it doesn’t make me feel much better about it and wish we had Dingle for game, BUT Lafayette just DEMOLISHED St. Joes at St. Joes 94-71. Their KP rating jumped from 219 before game to 186 after, so their offense is looking really good (even though St. Joes is short staffed). Oh, great. Lafayette's going to contend for the Big 5 championship, too? |
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