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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-22-19 09:39 AM - Post#291978
Preview: https://pennathletics.com/news/2019/11/22/mens- bas... Game Notes: https://pennathletics.com/documents/2019/11/21/ /5_... Probable Starters: Brodeur, Scott, Betley, Washington, Goodman (Officially) Out: Charles, Mijakowski, Wang |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4361 |
11-22-19 10:07 AM - Post#291986
I believe the game will be televised on FS2 which I actually believe I get. That's a Fox Sports Network |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 02:56 PM - Post#292059
Line is up to 15.5. My how fast expectations plummeted. |
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Stuart Suss PhD Student Posts 1439 |
11-23-19 05:02 PM - Post#292063
Vince Curran reports that Jordan Dingle will play today. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 05:10 PM - Post#292065
He’s starting. I haven’t found a feed yet. |
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Stuart Suss PhD Student Posts 1439 |
11-23-19 05:15 PM - Post#292066
Penn leads 9-6 at the first media timeout. Devin Goodman has two scores, a drive to the basket and a wide open back door. Eddie Scott made a three from the wing and A.J. had a drive and score. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 05:15 PM - Post#292067
The games is on FS2, which requires people to access the game through their cable provider. I think this is the link: https://www.foxsports.com/live/fs2 |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 05:16 PM - Post#292068
Penn up 7-6 at the first media break. Brodeur 2, Goodman 2, Scott 3 |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 05:16 PM - Post#292069
Has anyone had success listening through the app? It never works for me. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 05:17 PM - Post#292070
Max Martz in for Scott |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 05:19 PM - Post#292071
Our spacing and decision making on offense look a lot better. ...and we give up a back door for a layup... |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 05:23 PM - Post#292072
The games is on FS2, which requires people to access the game through their cable provider. I think this is the link: https://www.foxsports.com/live/fs2 Thanks for that. Didn’t think Comcast carried it. Nice shooting and passing. The help d has to stop. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 05:24 PM - Post#292073
Whoever has responsibility for the second rotation after the initial help has to pay better attention. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 05:25 PM - Post#292074
Penn up 20-13 with 11:35 left in half Betley 6, Goodman 4, Brodeur 4, Scott 3, Martz 3 Penn Shooting 8-14 (4-7 from 2, 4-7 from 3) Providence Shooting 6-13 (5-10 from 2, 1-3 from 3) Rebounding Providence 7-6 |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 05:27 PM - Post#292075
Cannot give you o boards on two missed free throws. Cannot. Weird listening to scott graham. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 05:27 PM - Post#292076
Bryce looks as if he's overthinking everything out there. Betley's looking pretty sharp. 4 of 5 from three so far. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 05:35 PM - Post#292077
Penn 30-22 with 7:47 left in half. Betley 12 (4-5 from 3), Goodman 6, Brodeur 6, Scott 3, Martz 3 Penn shooting 12-20 (6-10 from 2, 6-10 from 3) Providence shooting 10-20 (8-15 from 2, 2-5 from 3) Rebounds Providence 10-9 Turnovers Penn 5 Providence 5 Points off TO: Penn 7 Providence 0 |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
11-23-19 05:37 PM - Post#292078
Yeah, we missed Betley just a little bit last year. He is fun to watch. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 05:38 PM - Post#292079
Ed Cooley calls timeout at 6:33 Penn 34 Providence 23 |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 05:41 PM - Post#292080
38-25 Penn, 4:02 in the half. AJ is looking good. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 05:45 PM - Post#292082
Penn 38 Providence 25 with 3:55 left Penn shooting 16-27 (10-15 from 2, 6-12 from 3) Betley 14, Brodeur 10, Goodman 6 Providence shooting 10-25 (8-19 from 2, 2-6 from 3), 3-6 FT Rebounds Penn 15-12 Turnovers 5-5 (Points of TO Penn 7, Providence 0) Points in Paint Penn 20 Providence 10 |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 05:47 PM - Post#292083
Are you joking that they T AJ up for that??? |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 05:47 PM - Post#292084
That was a garbage call, and a non-call on AJ's dunk. Clearly got pushed in the back. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 05:47 PM - Post#292085
AJ gets a dunk to make it 40-25. He yelled after getting hit on the back of the head and was charged with a technical. Bad job on the refs. Providence gets the 2 FT and the ball. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 05:51 PM - Post#292086
Monroe for three! |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4361 |
11-23-19 05:53 PM - Post#292087
Pretty amazing. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 05:53 PM - Post#292088
What. A. Half. We certainly do match up better Vs these teams. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 05:56 PM - Post#292089
We look like a completely different team than the one that played at Lafayette. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 05:58 PM - Post#292090
I’d like to say it’s Dingle but it’s most likely the team not knowing how best to play us and some 3-pt regression. Great passing. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 06:01 PM - Post#292091
Penn 47-30 halftime Penn shooting 19-33 58% (12-19 from 2 63%, 7-14 from 3 50%), 1-2 FT Assists 13 (assist rate 68%) Brodeur 15, Betley 14, Goodman 6, Dingle 3, Scott 3, Martz 3, Monroe 3 Rebounding Penn 20 (3 offensive, 7 defensive) Providence 15 (3 offensive, 12 defensive) Betley 6, Brodeur 5 Providence shooting 11-30 37% (8-21 from 2 38%, 3-9 from 3 33%), 5-8 FT 63% White 13, Pipkins 6 Assists 7 (assist rate 64%) Points in the Paint Penn 24-10 Turnovers Penn 6 PC 6 Points of Turnovers Penn 8 PC 0 |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 06:14 PM - Post#292092
Jordan making some poor choices and now AJ picks up a tough foul. Guess the T didn’t count? They say 2 fouls. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
11-23-19 06:17 PM - Post#292093
The freshman all need to work on their D. CANNOT turn the ball over. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 06:17 PM - Post#292094
Ugh. Here they come. Jordan with a bad foul. Down to 13. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 06:18 PM - Post#292095
You knew they were going to make a run. It's how we adjust from here that counts. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 06:19 PM - Post#292096
Now after Dev gets trapped and mugged Ryan fouls the 3 point shooter. Sigh. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 06:21 PM - Post#292097
We need to communicate better. No way can a ballhandler get stripped from behind bringing the ball upcourt. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 |
11-23-19 06:21 PM - Post#292098
Not responding well to PC upping the physicality, |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
11-23-19 06:21 PM - Post#292099
I hate the: "Let's save all the timeouts" move. If you need to take the timeout, take the timeout. And we NEEDED to take the timeout sooner. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 06:21 PM - Post#292100
Foul on dingle now?! Lol. That was as bad a 30 seconds as you can have. This will be really tough. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 06:23 PM - Post#292101
Penn 51 PC 40 15:43 left 2nd half Penn shooting 2nd half 2-6 (2-4 from 2, 0-2 from 3), 0-1 FT Providence shooting 3-9 (3-8 from 2, 0-1 from 3), 4-6 FT Rebounds 2nd half PC 7 Penn 5 Turnovers 2nd half Penn 3 PC 0 Fouls Penn: Dingle 3, Betley 3, AJ 3 PC: Duke 3, Diallo 3 |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 06:28 PM - Post#292102
Betley just not getting set. Every call going against. Have to rebound. Come on. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 06:30 PM - Post#292103
So the refs sent the wrong guy to the line?? Lolol. Points off the board. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 06:32 PM - Post#292104
Actual shooter makes one of two, Penn scores to go back up 10. AJ picks up his fourth foul. Now we have problems. |
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91Quake PhD Student Posts 1126 |
11-23-19 06:34 PM - Post#292105
Our lack of big man depth may be the death of us this game. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 06:35 PM - Post#292106
They just called AJ?!?! These officials have taken over the game. I’m having flash backs to a trip up there in 2002. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 06:36 PM - Post#292107
Penn 53 PC 43 11:57 left in 2nd half 2nd half shooting Penn 3-12 (3-9 from 2, 0-3 from 3), 0-1 FT PC 4-19 (4-17 from 2, 0-2 from 3), 5-9 FT Fouls Penn 6 PC 6 Penn - Brodeur 4, Dingle 3 PC - Duke 4, Diallo 4 Rebounds PC 18 Penn 10 Turnovers Penn 4 PC 2 Points off Turnovers Penn 2 PC 5 |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 06:39 PM - Post#292109
And Jarrod immediately turns it over. Man I hate officials. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 06:39 PM - Post#292110
Simmons has got to step up. Two FTs help. Betley strikes again! |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 06:47 PM - Post#292111
BANG!!! |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 06:49 PM - Post#292112
AJ comes back in right before the media timeout and we get two massive open threes. Come on d. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 06:50 PM - Post#292113
Penn 64 PC 52 6:19 left 2nd half 2nd half Shooting Penn 6-17 (5-12 from 2, 1-5 from 3), 3-5 FT PC 8-26 (7-22 from 2, 1-4 from 3), 5-12 FT Rebounds PC 21 (10 offense, 11 defense) Penn 14 (1 offense, 13 defense) Turnovers Penn 6 PC 3 Points off Turnovers Penn 5 PC 7 Fouls Penn - AJ 4, Dingle 3 PC - Duke 4, Diallo 4, White 3 |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 06:51 PM - Post#292114
The offense looks terrible without AJ on the floor. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 06:52 PM - Post#292115
Penn 64 PC 54 5:41 left 2nd half. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 06:53 PM - Post#292116
How long can steve go without?? |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 06:55 PM - Post#292117
AJ? Good question. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 06:55 PM - Post#292118
Nice anticipation by Simmons on that lob, and then Dingle hits the three. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 06:56 PM - Post#292119
Providence calls timeout with 4:56. Penn 67 PC 57 (Dingle and Diallo trade threes) |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 07:00 PM - Post#292120
Dingle has found the range again. Nice offensive rebound to give us another possession. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 07:02 PM - Post#292121
Penn 72 PC 62 with 2:26 left in 2nd half. Betley 19 (5 in 2nd half), Dingle 16 (13 in 2nd half), AJ 17 (2 in 2nd half) 2nd half shooting Penn 9-22 (5-14 from 2, 4-8 from 3), 3-5 FT PC 12-31 (9-24 from 2, 3-7 from 3), 5-12 FT Fouls Penn AJ 4, Dingle 3 PC Diallo 4, Duke 4, White 4 |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 07:04 PM - Post#292122
Lucas is giving some GREAT minutes. And Jordan. What can you say. Ice water. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 07:05 PM - Post#292123
Nice to see the freshmen hitting their FTs. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 07:07 PM - Post#292124
Dingle with the layup to make it 77-64 |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 07:08 PM - Post#292125
PC takes its last timeout. Penn 77-66 with 46 seconds left in 2nd half. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 07:11 PM - Post#292126
Dingle makes 1 of 2 FT 78-66. Diallo makes layup 78-68. Betley makes 1 of 2 FT 79-68 (38 secs left) |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 07:14 PM - Post#292127
Duke layup 79-70. White fouls Goodman (5 on White) White had career high 20 pts. Goodman goes 0 for 2 from FT. 79-70 (32 seconds left) Holt hits 3. 79-73 with 24 seconds left 79-73 |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 07:15 PM - Post#292128
Goodman clanks two. Betley clanks two. Gotta make those. Steal by Goodman and a layup by Betley to seal it. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 07:15 PM - Post#292129
Betley goes 0 for 2 from FT. 79-73 with 23 seconds left. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 07:16 PM - Post#292130
Goodman gets steal and gives it to Betely for the layup. 81-73 |
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AsiaSunset Postdoc Posts 4361 |
11-23-19 07:17 PM - Post#292131
Visions of Penn missing fits and Bryce Aiken nailing a few 30 footers. But - a nice win. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 07:17 PM - Post#292132
Pipken for meaningless layup to finish the game. Penn 81-75!!!! |
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10Q Professor Posts 23398 |
11-23-19 07:17 PM - Post#292133
Nice win But the bad free throw shooting is back. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-23-19 07:17 PM - Post#292134
Whew. Good win. I have to admit that I was not feeling optimistic before the game started. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 |
11-23-19 07:17 PM - Post#292135
Nice win But the bad free throw shooting is back. By our seniors. It was the freshmen who stepped up from the line down the stretch. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 |
11-23-19 07:22 PM - Post#292137
Also, important early season trend: so far, only teams coached by former Penn assistants can beat us. Pretty sure we don’t have a chance to face any of those in Anaheim. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 07:24 PM - Post#292138
Shooting Penn: 30-57 53% (19-35 from 2 54%, 11-22 from 3 50%), 10-20 FT 50% PC: 29-70 41% (22-52 from 2 42%, 7-18 from 3 39%), 10-20 FT 50% Betley 22, Dingle 19, AJ 17, Goodman 9, Monroe 6 Rebounding Penn 38 (5 offense, 33 defense), PC 42 (14 offense, 28 defense) AJ 10, Betley 8 Assists Penn 17 of 30 (57%) PC 16 of 29 (55%) Goodman 4, Dingle 4 Turnovers Penn 14 PC 11 Dingle 5, AJ 4 Points off Turnovers Penn 18 PC 11 Points in the Paint Penn 38 PC 38 https://friars.com/sidearmstats/mbball/m edia |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-23-19 07:26 PM - Post#292139
FT Betley 1-4 Dingle 2-5 Goodman 1-4 Brodeur 1-1 Monroe 3-4 Simmons 2-2 |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-23-19 07:50 PM - Post#292141
Also, important early season trend: so far, only teams coached by former Penn assistants can beat us. Pretty sure we don’t have a chance to face any of those in Anaheim. No question that was huge part of this. The ivy familiarity hurts too but hopefully we’ve ironed out a few things by then. |
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20Penn14 Senior Posts 364 |
11-23-19 07:54 PM - Post#292144
Shooting Penn: 30-57 53% (19-35 from 2 54%, 11-22 from 3 50%), 10-20 FT 50% PC: 29-70 41% (22-52 from 2 42%, 7-18 from 3 39%), 10-20 FT 50% Betley 22, Dingle 19, AJ 17, Goodman 9, Monroe 6 Rebounding Penn 38 (5 offense, 33 defense), PC 42 (14 offense, 28 defense) AJ 10, Betley 8 Assists Penn 17 of 30 (57%) PC 16 of 29 (55%) Goodman 4, Dingle 4 Turnovers Penn 14 PC 11 Dingle 5, AJ 4 Points off Turnovers Penn 18 PC 11 Points in the Paint Penn 38 PC 38 https://friars.com/sidearmstats/mbball/m edia Looks like Dingle played 40 minutes and Monroe played 23. Big minutes from the Frosh |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3585 |
11-23-19 09:19 PM - Post#292151
Wow. Two Tier A wins and a couple clunkers. We Lafayetted Providence (50% from 3). We are a much better team when Dingle is on the floor with those seniors. Looking forward to next week. |
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UPIA1968 PhD Student Posts 1121 |
11-23-19 10:59 PM - Post#292157
Comments, Is AJ the best Penn big man ever? I think so. Who else would you nominate? Great to see Ryan stroking it. The revelation in this game was Monroe handling the ball and rebounding. Has he moved ahead of Eddie in the rotation? Simmons looks less timid now, although his defensive positioning is still weak. And don't you love Devon. He played the best exterior defense, consistently fighting through picks by moving aggressively early, anticipating. Did you notice Ray Jerome bringing up the ball. And what has happened to Bryce Washington? He has clearly regressed. Clearly this team will be searching for itself prior to the Ivies. They need rebounding and more defense all things that can develop. t is intriguing to see so many of the supporting players show flashes. Almost everybody who played today contributed. Martz made a three. If Wang and Charles can get healed. If Dingle can avoid dribbling into traps. If Lucas can do some scoring, if, if, if! Still road wins over Div 1 schools shows the team's upside. Well, next week they will get plenty of exposure against very good teams. Interestingly only Penn of the top Ivy three has a win against a quality opponent. Yale has some 'impressive' close losses, but wins only against low-ranked teams. Harvard has shown nothing so far. One final pair of stats. KenPom has them slightly below average offensively and slightly better on defense. It sure is better to have an uncertain team with upside potential for greatness rather than a team with upside potential to achieve meritocracy. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3585 |
11-23-19 11:36 PM - Post#292159
Harvard has shown that Aiken is still a monster. That’s not nothing. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 |
11-23-19 11:55 PM - Post#292160
Interesting that they did this with Brodeur, Dingle, and Goodman all having sub-100 ORtgs, the first two mostly because of turnovers, the latter it appears due to missed FTs. Betley was the only big minutes guy who had a 100+ game. |
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dperry Postdoc Posts 2214 |
11-24-19 12:04 AM - Post#292161
Friar Nation did not suffer this loss gladly: Friar Talk PC Friar Fan Forum They may be even worse than Nova fans in failing to give the other team any credit for the result, although I suppose after we lost to Lafayette, I can't blame them too much. Also, if some of the remarks on there are to be believed, Cooley is pulling down $3 mil a year. Even if some of that is subsidized by a shoe company, that's still pretty obscene for a Catholic school with less than 5,000 students.
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penn nation Professor Posts 21205 |
11-24-19 12:08 AM - Post#292162
If there's a non-Ivy fan base that hasn't botched Betley's name, I have yet to meet it. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-24-19 02:29 AM - Post#292164
Just back from Providence---that is a loooonnnnggggg drive in the rain. But it didn't bother me--what a great great win. Yes, there was anxiety but we watched the freshmen learn how to beat the press with a big enough lead to learn, we had great ball movement in the half court, and AJ was simply the difference---because of that amazingly bogus technical (he clearly got fouled and even if you don't call the foul, he is entitled to hang on the rim to protect himself), he had to come out. With Simmons in there, we almost blew it (I know he tried his best and hit a couple of FTs but the difference in defense was night and day). No matter what---beating a very good and lively Providence crowd and very athletic Providence team (they do take terrible shots though) is worth the 10 hours of driving. I'd do it all over right now for another W |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8257 |
11-24-19 09:11 AM - Post#292167
With some time to think about it, I have a couple of takeaways from this game. First and foremost, Dingle is absolutely the most important player we have not named AJ. He makes frosh mistakes at both ends, but his ability to penetrate at will, finish with both hands, and fearless nature make this a different team when he is out there. Those 3’s he hit down the stretch were the difference in this thing. The other is that this team,, even with the injuries, can hang with almost any team that can’t shoot 3’s; but will struggle defensively against teams that can. This team is athletic enough to defend teams that rely on attacking the basket, but is vulnerable to teams that have quality frontcourt depth that can tire AJ out and kill on the offensive boards. Against a team like that, our 3’s have to fall more often that not. One last thing, Ryan better be the guy who can be relied on to take FTs down the stretch. Missing 2 short (tired legs?) was a very bad omen. See you in LA. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
11-24-19 09:38 AM - Post#292171
Yes, this was the first game this year where I came away thinking we played well overall. Amazing the difference when the threes go in. As you say, Providence took some bad shots. But early they were scoring, and our defense had some more lapses. I think the 3s and the lead caused Providence to start making bad decisions on offense, and in the end we played our best defensive game of the year as a result. On Streamers point about Betley and foul shooting. Seemed to take a couple of games for Betley to start looking comfortable shooting 3s. He played 37 minutes against an athletic team yesterday. Yes, I think he was tired, and as the season goes on, hopefully he will have his legs late in games like that. While the makes weren’t there, we did a good job of working to get him the ball and then accepting the foul. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21205 |
11-24-19 12:11 PM - Post#292185
Makes you realize how good both Penn and Harvard could have been this year with healthy teams. They may both end up being very good teams, but imagine a healthy Williams/Charles/Wang added to the mix and of course some of Harvard's big guns who are still out.
Wow. Two Tier A wins and a couple clunkers. We Lafayetted Providence (50% from 3). We are a much better team when Dingle is on the floor with those seniors. Looking forward to next week. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3777 |
11-24-19 12:46 PM - Post#292186
I'd love to watch to replay of this to wash away the taste of Lafayette. Anybody able to direct me to a link? |
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Bill Lewis Senior Posts 304 |
11-24-19 02:00 PM - Post#292191
Try this link. https://www.foxsports.com/ I have Xfinity and Fox Sports allows me to watch the replay |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3618 |
11-24-19 02:49 PM - Post#292192
https://www.foxsports.com/watch/1148348 FYI will need to authenticate with your cable/satellite provider and unfortunately at least as of yesterday this is only broadcast version which missed first 5 mins due to previous game running long. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3777 |
11-25-19 10:50 AM - Post#292228
Thanks. The links worked, but the replay doesn't seem to be up any more. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-25-19 10:56 AM - Post#292230
Let me tell you---it was great! Here's a highlight reel-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOeG2M6KPSY |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3777 |
11-25-19 11:17 AM - Post#292234
Maybe what I'll do is remember the Lafayette game, but pretend the Lafayette players are wearing Penn uniforms. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-25-19 11:21 AM - Post#292235
I think Dingle may be the most important Penn player already. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3777 |
11-25-19 11:34 AM - Post#292236
He might at that. How is it that he was so lightly regarded and recruited? |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-25-19 11:45 AM - Post#292239
Well, at the time of his commitment to Penn, his coach at Blair said this: "“I think Jordan made a great choice,†he said. “I think he will be a contributor almost immediately upon arriving at Penn. He has a Big East skill level and a Big East physicality and he has an advanced understanding of how to play.†Judging from his performance at Providence, I agree that he has a Big East skill level |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-25-19 11:46 AM - Post#292240
He might at that. How is it that he was so lightly regarded and recruited? Possibly because it's apparent that he doesn't have explosive, above the rim athleticism and astonishing speed or quickness. What he has is vision, craftiness and skill, in addition to a level of physicality you don't expect in a freshman. I like his on-court demeanor. He seems much like Goodman in that you can't tell through their facial expression whether they're having a good game or a bad game. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23398 |
11-25-19 11:49 AM - Post#292242
Wow. Thanks for posting. That was my first look at the game. Dingle reminds me of Barry Pierce. Love seeing Bentley hit the 3's. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-25-19 11:50 AM - Post#292244
Even you call him Bentley? |
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10Q Professor Posts 23398 |
11-25-19 11:53 AM - Post#292245
Hee hee https://www.google.com/search?q=3+liter+bent ley&am... |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3618 |
11-25-19 12:32 PM - Post#292262
Dingle actually is quite explosive athletically and does have above the rim athleticism. We haven’t seen it as much yet at Penn (but he did have a two handed dunk against Alabama as I recall), but I caught some of his Blair highlights from last year with some big dunks. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
11-25-19 12:36 PM - Post#292263
I think it's more of a deceptive athleticism rather than something that smacks you in the face. But I'm still stunned at what his upper body looks like at this age. He does not look anything like a freshman. |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1171 |
11-25-19 03:18 PM - Post#292276
I think it's more of a deceptive athleticism rather than something that smacks you in the face. But I'm still stunned at what his upper body looks like at this age. He does not look anything like a freshman. Which makes many of us all the more curious as to why he was so "under the radar." |
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10Q Professor Posts 23398 |
11-25-19 03:29 PM - Post#292279
Maybe they thought he was going to play football? |
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W. PhD Student Posts 1171 |
11-25-19 03:41 PM - Post#292280
Maybe they thought he was going to play football? Or it was an open secret that he had his eyes on Penn all along and so other coaches backed off his recruiting? Just speculating here. |
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SRP Postdoc Posts 4911 |
11-25-19 03:49 PM - Post#292281
Since I get Fox Sports, I watched this impressive win. Agree that Dingle is pretty ripped for a first-year guy and that he made key plays down the stretch. He’s going to be a problem. But Brodeur’s all-around play and Betley’s outside bombardment were the keys to getting the all-important lead. (That and some good D and poor PC shot selection and foul trouble.) Congratulations on a heck of a road win. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3618 |
11-25-19 03:54 PM - Post#292283
This is one dunk with a few angles, but as I recalled from a few highlights from Blair, it didn't seem that deceptive. https://twitter.com/BallersBridge/status/ 996554185... https://twitter.com/endless_motor/status/ 996546966... https://twitter.com/overtime/status/99530 880054980... |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-25-19 04:08 PM - Post#292284
Yes, but we count on the seniors to give us that kind of play. Getting key contributions from the freshmen are what got us over the hump in a game we might have frittered away with guys who couldn't handle the pressure at that stage. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1900 |
11-25-19 08:18 PM - Post#292307
I don't think we've had many physical dunks of that nature from players in any class or any position at Penn. Maybe Tim Krug over Princeton his Freshmen year). I think one of the reasons that Dingle isn't more noticeable is that he plays with balance and control more than most players. He always has his feet set and is shooting straight on his threes. When he goes to the hoop or shoots mid-range, he rises straight up instead of doing something more difficult and acrobatic. These are all really positive things about his game. It is good fundamental basketball and will serve him (and the team) well. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8257 |
11-25-19 09:51 PM - Post#292316
Those 3s Dingle hit in the last couple of minutes won the game for us. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
11-25-19 11:00 PM - Post#292325
Dingle hit, but those shots seem to be there mainly when AJ is on the floor. The offense just doesn’t work without him right now. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-26-19 02:02 AM - Post#292334
Dingle hit, but those shots seem to be there mainly when AJ is on the floor. The offense just doesn’t work without him right now. Good point. I think the problem is that without AJ on the floor, we lack the high post facilitator that makes the offense run. Simmons isn't the playmaker AJ is; while he can hit the three point shot from the top of the arc, he isn't the passer who can patiently survey the floor and then find cutters going to the basket. Defenses recognize that and play him accordingly. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-26-19 06:54 AM - Post#292339
The difference is more pronounced on the defensive side. Their big man was totally shut down by AJ, and he scored easily against Simmons. There's a reason we rushed AJ back in with 8 minutes to go with 4 fouls. Speaking of 4 fouls, was anyone of the opinion that AJ should have been T'd up on a dunk where he got shoved? |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-26-19 07:42 AM - Post#292341
I thought the T was bogus. AJ got hit in the head and shoved in the back. He had a legit gripe. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8257 |
11-26-19 09:32 AM - Post#292346
Good point. I think the problem is that without AJ on the floor, we lack the high post facilitator that makes the offense run. Simmons isn't the playmaker AJ is; while he can hit the three point shot from the top of the arc, he isn't the passer who can patiently survey the floor and then find cutters going to the basket. Defenses recognize that and play him accordingly. This was something Max R. did so well when AJ was not on the floor. Simmons, for whatever reason, does not seem to have the ability and his fear of fouling limits him on the defensive end, but he is not terrible there. We have seen him defend well at times. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23398 |
11-26-19 09:54 AM - Post#292352
This is the fatal flaw of this team and the Ivies, even the lower rung teams, are going to exploit it. We HAVE to find solutions. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-26-19 09:58 AM - Post#292354
If substitute big man is our major weakness, we're in really good shape. I think our major weakness is defense on the perimeter, without Antonio. Goodman is great with his hands---not so great with the body. Dingle is just learning. Betley is pretty immobile. Eddie and AJ are just fine. It's really up to the freshmen to provide help since I am dubious Wang will help this year, Jelani is lost and when you have to go to Ray Jerome, you are going to a notably lesser player. The freshmen will have to step up and develop into non-freshmen in composure by the Ivy season. |
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10Q Professor Posts 23398 |
11-26-19 10:17 AM - Post#292358
I'm more optimistic that Coach can teach perimeter defense than he can teach Simmons to become an effective backup. |
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penn nation Professor Posts 21205 |
11-26-19 10:22 AM - Post#292359
I agree with you there and largely because the perimeter defense can be better if the team works together on it. We have had any number of players over the years who have played well within the context of team defense even if not exactly stalwart one on one defenders. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3777 |
11-26-19 10:44 AM - Post#292363
I'm more optimistic that Coach can teach perimeter defense than he can teach Simmons to become an effective backup. With you there. I hate to say this, but I think it's time to come to terms with the likelihood that Simmons is never going to be an effective D1 player. For whatever reason, despite being so highly rated as a recruit, he just hasn't been able to make the transition from HS to college ball. We also probably need to accept the fact that Mike Wang is never going to be consistently healthy, and that Mark Jackson is going to remain the tallest bench warmer Penn has ever had. That being the case, until Max L-L is ready to contribute, I wonder if we're going to see Donahue experiment occasionally with a no-center lineup. That's hardly an unusual approach these days in college ball. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-26-19 10:45 AM - Post#292364
But few teams we will play in the Ivies can capitalize inside like the teams we are playing now. Against them, the perimeter defense is a far greater issue. If Donahue can teach them how not to play against teams like Lafayette, we will have a good year. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-26-19 11:33 AM - Post#292373
Good point. I think the problem is that without AJ on the floor, we lack the high post facilitator that makes the offense run. Simmons isn't the playmaker AJ is; while he can hit the three point shot from the top of the arc, he isn't the passer who can patiently survey the floor and then find cutters going to the basket. Defenses recognize that and play him accordingly. This was something Max R. did so well when AJ was not on the floor. Simmons, for whatever reason, does not seem to have the ability and his fear of fouling limits him on the defensive end, but he is not terrible there. We have seen him defend well at times. Rothschild's ability to make plays for his teammates also freed AJ to be more of a finisher offensively, when they played together. One of the things that really worried me coming into this season was the loss of size along the front line. Wang's injury issues and Simmons' ineffectiveness are going to be problems at some point. There will no doubt be games where the coaching staff is going to be walking a fine line trying to manage AJ in foul trouble down the stretch. |
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Jeff2sf Postdoc Posts 4466 |
11-26-19 11:46 AM - Post#292375
at his absolute zenith, max Rothschild was a 100 ORAT player. for three out of four years he was a 92 ORAT player who clogged all our spacing while making "hustle" (aka what gets ascribed to white people) plays. He had certain things to recommend on defense. But let's not have the haze of time past corrupt our memories. |
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QHoops Senior Posts 369 |
11-26-19 11:48 AM - Post#292376
I agree wholeheartedly. At Providence I only noticed one play where AJ backed off to avoid the 5th foul. (other than the very end). He plays such fundamentally sound defense he is hard to exploit this way, but I think that when he picks up his 4rth foul with 12 minutes to go the outcome will usually not be as favorable as it was on Sat. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-26-19 11:54 AM - Post#292377
Well, Mike Jensen agrees with me---the issue is perimeter defense. Good article featuring Penn: https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/villan ova-... |
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10Q Professor Posts 23398 |
11-26-19 12:01 PM - Post#292378
Let's call them Issue 1a and Issue 1b. Maybe Dr. Suess has written a book that can help. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1900 |
11-26-19 12:54 PM - Post#292380
This is probably why Monroe is getting some PT. Whether or not he is ready, he adds a more physical defensive option on the perimeter and wings.
If substitute big man is our major weakness, we're in really good shape. I think our major weakness is defense on the perimeter, without Antonio. Goodman is great with his hands---not so great with the body. Dingle is just learning. Betley is pretty immobile. Eddie and AJ are just fine. It's really up to the freshmen to provide help since I am dubious Wang will help this year, Jelani is lost and when you have to go to Ray Jerome, you are going to a notably lesser player. The freshmen will have to step up and develop into non-freshmen in composure by the Ivy season. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8257 |
11-26-19 06:12 PM - Post#292430
at his absolute zenith, max Rothschild was a 100 ORAT player. for three out of four years he was a 92 ORAT player who clogged all our spacing while making "hustle" (aka what gets ascribed to white people) plays. He had certain things to recommend on defense. But let's not have the haze of time past corrupt our memories. ORATs do not describe his excellent passing ability. The offense ran well through him when he was in the high post. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3618 |
11-26-19 06:43 PM - Post#292431
What will be interesting is to see if Mike Wang can do that to give AJ some time to rest (hopefully he is healthy enough to play sooner than later) because he is a very good passer himself. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-26-19 08:55 PM - Post#292447
What will be interesting is to see if Mike Wang can do that to give AJ some time to rest (hopefully he is healthy enough to play sooner than later) because he is a very good passer himself. Wang also distorts the way a defense has to play simply because of his range. If he's hitting from long distance, we can balance the floor effectively with him and Betley. That opens up the middle of the floor and the post for AJ to go to work. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-26-19 10:16 PM - Post#292463
I am not optimistic at all that we will ever see him play again. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3618 |
11-26-19 11:35 PM - Post#292471
Do you know something I don’t know? I’m going to go with positive vibes on my end and hope that we actually see him back on the court this season. Last we heard was week to week with no definitive time table. That’s not great, but it’s not forever either. So I’ll balance out with positivity, haha. |
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UPIA1968 PhD Student Posts 1121 |
11-27-19 12:35 AM - Post#292474
I am pretty sure that KenPom's ratings reflect assists and turnovers. So a good passer will get some credit. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8257 |
11-27-19 09:08 AM - Post#292487
I am pretty sure that KenPom's ratings reflect assists and turnovers. So a good passer will get some credit. I’m sure Mike James can clarify how assists impact ORAT; but a minority of effective passes are counted as assists. This is another case of trust your eyes, not the stats. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
11-27-19 10:00 AM - Post#292493
If our biggest problem this year is being unable to replace Max Rothschild's minutes then we're in a heap of trouble. Let's say you buy into the idea that advanced metrics underrate Rothschild's contributions. Where would you have ranked his level of importance to last year's team? He was 4th at best behind AJ, Antonio and Dev. You can make a strong argument that Jake was more important by the end of the year. I'm doing this ranking based on my memory, I haven't even looked at the numbers. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-27-19 10:12 AM - Post#292494
I look at that to the contrary of your view--if our worst problem is replacing Max's minutes, then we have solidified the perimeter defense and are hitting our 3s, both of which are far more of a problem with probably the best center we ever had in the middle. We'll get something down to replace Max's minutes as substitute for AJ. And I agree with Jeff and disagree with Streamers that Max was more often in the way on offense with AJ in the game than helping because of his passing skills. He had no outside game and therefore either clogged the middle or stood at the top of the key with his man double teaming someone else. He had his moments but really was only effective playing low post as substitute center. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-27-19 10:53 AM - Post#292498
I'm going to make a statement contrary to both of you guys. I am not a proponent of playing small consistently, and the point I would make is that when facing lineups with two or more frontline players 6'8" or taller, Rothschild would generally guard the more physical post player. That spared AJ the physical pounding and frequently allowed him to avoid foul trouble. If we can't find a complement among our bigs who can give us minutes either alongside or in relief of AJ this year, we're going to have some problems. Yale goes big with Atkinson and Bruner. Harvard can go big with Lewis, Baker, Catchings, Djuricic and whoever else Amaker decides to throw out there. Princeton is bookending Aririguzoh with Evbuomwan, who's 6'7" but plays bigger. You want to guard those guys with a combination of Scott and Monroe? I say that gives up too much on the boards. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3777 |
11-27-19 10:59 AM - Post#292499
Clearly, the challenge here is to find a way for the team to remain at least reasonably effective on both offense and defense when AJ is on the bench. I think this is a huge deal, because it creates a major weakness that any halfway-competent opposing coach will know how to exploit. Solving it will be key to a successful season. Some possible solutions: - Jarrod Simmons. 2+ years into his college career he has yet to show himself to be a consistently effective D1 forward. I'm maybe five games away from concluding that he's never going to get there. - Mike Wang. He's got a D1 game, and has been consistently effective when he's played. Unfortunately, I don't think he's ever going to be consistently healthy. - Mark Jackson. Fun to think about because he's 12 feet tall, but I find it hard to imagine that a guy that big would have ended up at an Ivy if he were any good. I'd love to be wrong about him. - Max Lorca Lloyd. There's clearly potential there, but my guess is that he's not going to be seeing a lot of minutes this season. There seem to be a lot skills he needs to learn, and he also probably needs to bulk up. - A no-big man lineup. This is not uncommon in college ball these days, and the team has a number of pretty versatile 6-6-ish guys. While it can create a weakness on defense, the corresponding offensive advantages might balance that out. Am I forgetting something? If there's another option here, I hope somebody will point it out. Assuming I've covered everything, and being that options 1-4 all seem unlikely to pan out, I hope the coaches are working on #5. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-27-19 11:08 AM - Post#292502
I think AJ will play 30-35 minutes and Simmons the rest. Against most teams we play, Simmons will be fine. But we have to work Lorca-Lloyd in, for next year, if not earlier. But the athleticism we have in Dingle, Scott and Goodman will be fine most of the time to hang in there on the boards. Our guard play is our weakness so far, not rebounding. We are at historic lows (I know it's early) in assists and steals---after taking a dive last year with the graduation of Foreman, now another deep dive after Antonio finished up. We need a PG far more than a Rothschild replacement. |
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rbg Postdoc Posts 3057 |
11-27-19 11:32 AM - Post#292506
I'm in agreement with weinhauers_ghost on this. Without another forward that can give productive minutes (scoring, rebounding, passing &/or defense), it will be a challenge to face league foes with multiple traditional bigs like Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Columbia. Penn can certainly has the talent to put up enough points to win without another big, but it may be hard to do both nights of back-to-back weekends. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-27-19 11:43 AM - Post#292507
I think Simmons can hold his own against Ivy competition |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8257 |
11-27-19 11:44 AM - Post#292509
If our biggest problem this year is being unable to replace Max Rothschild's minutes then we're in a heap of trouble. Let's say you buy into the idea that advanced metrics underrate Rothschild's contributions. Where would you have ranked his level of importance to last year's team? He was 4th at best behind AJ, Antonio and Dev. You can make a strong argument that Jake was more important by the end of the year. I'm sticking to my guns on this in the sense that Max gave us quality minutes, despite his shortcomings and rank among our most important players, when he was on the floor without AJ. I should have been more explicit about that last part. I also think his leadership was a big plus, but that is a separate discussion. This thread is about how best to adjust when AJ needs a rest or gets in foul trouble. Max made that easier last year, and that was my point. Simmons, or whomever we put out there, does not need to score a lot, but he does need to run the high post offense, rebound and defend. Simmons has shown that he can do the latter, but we see what happens to the offense when he is out there. Nobody is going to double him, and he does not have Max's passing skills. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-27-19 11:54 AM - Post#292510
Nobody doubled Max, either, and indeed, they dropped off of him when he was at the high post. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-27-19 12:27 PM - Post#292516
Nobody doubled Max, either, and indeed, they dropped off of him when he was at the high post. That's true, but he was able to find open cutters and shooters pretty effectively, and that's something we haven't seen Simmons do consistently so far. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
11-27-19 04:36 PM - Post#292545
I took a look at last year's numbers. If anything I was underestimating Silpe's contribution. He was 3rd on the team in Win Shares, a tick better than Woods. Jake, if you're out there then please accept my apology. Rothschild was 7th in the team in Win Shares. Washington and Wang were #5 and 6 in Win Shares by the way. So we graduated 3,4 and 7, while 6 is injured and 5 hasn't been good so far. Betley and Dingle are looking good but we need more than that. I don't dispute Rothschild's contribution to the team, or that we're looking light in the front court outside of AJ. Just saying that if you're struggling to figure out how to replace the 7th most valuable guy from last year's team then maybe you're framing the problem incorrectly. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-27-19 09:34 PM - Post#292571
I think in this case you have to look at value as something more than a statistical measure. Each player on the team has a role, and there are offensive and defensive tasks required of a 6'8" player whose position is the 4 or 5 that you simply cannot expect a 6' point guard to be able to assume effectively. And, of course, vice versa. |
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UPIA1968 PhD Student Posts 1121 |
11-27-19 09:39 PM - Post#292574
Having a second effective big man is a nice to have issue this year. It is probably necessary to challenge for the title, but Penn will win 18-20 cames without it. The real issue is AAJ, after-AJ. It looks right now that we will have NO big man next year, at least an effective one. I agree with Silver Maple that the Jury is almost in on Simmons. For me I am looking to see if MLL starts to get time. If he can't break into this lineup with its lack of big man depth, it is unlikely that he will be effective next year. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
11-27-19 10:43 PM - Post#292576
UPIA - that's what I mean. There's a reason to worry about life after AJ. He's an all-time stud. There's no easy way to make up for his loss. Rothschild was a nice to have. Good player for a 2nd big, good attitude, good teammate. We wouldn't have missed a beat if we had peak Wang this year. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6413 |
11-28-19 12:51 AM - Post#292581
To me it’s not so much that Simmons shouldn’t play or can’t be effective. The problem is that he’s being asked to kind of be AJ out there in the high post. I think when AJ is out, the ball needs to be in Dingle or Goodman’s hands, and Simmons should be getting the ball in spots where he can shoot, rather than where he needs to facilitate. He’s no AJ or Max R, and that’s ok. Offense looks fixable to me. Defense is perhaps the bigger issue. AJ doesn’t get beat AND he helps everybody else in the middle. Simmons seems to get caught in between. Since I’d like to dispense with the high post offense when AJ is out, if Jackson or MLL can defend better than Simmons, they should play. Basically spell AJ with whoever plays the best D. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-28-19 08:07 AM - Post#292584
If Jackson could play, he would have been out there long before now. You think a 7'3" guy with any game either way would be sitting on the bench? |
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10Q Professor Posts 23398 |
11-28-19 09:12 AM - Post#292585
I won't be completely shocked if there is a Jackson sighting soon. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3777 |
11-28-19 09:18 AM - Post#292586
I wouldn't be shocked to see Jackson either, if for no other reason then that Wang is not available (and may never be), Simmons is struggling and Lorca-Lloyd isn't ready. And maybe he'll be effective. Nobody would be happier to see that than I, and if it happens I'll go find a hat and eat it. (If possible, I'll put some leftover turkey gravy on the hat, as gravy is one of those things that makes everything better.) |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32834 |
11-28-19 10:11 AM - Post#292587
Well, have a happy Thanksgiving irrespective of a Jackson sighting, which I think is more unlikely in the next two years than a Jelani sighting....other than in garbage time, anyway. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3585 |
11-28-19 11:09 AM - Post#292588
A Jackson sighting is a very real possibility and I wouldn’t discount it. He has improved his game dramatically. The issue is they have to change the way they play to get him on the floor for any extended minutes. But seeing him against a bigger, scoring big in the post (ala Chris Lewis last year) is a real thing that could happen |
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Condor PhD Student Posts 1888 |
11-28-19 11:28 AM - Post#292589
Based on Donahue’s other resurrections, e.g. Wood & Silpe, and developed players, e.g. Goodman & Foreman, I wouldn’t count anyone out for the future. Also, comparing anyone to Brodeur is a bit unfair because his play is so unique. I would add that everyone is still learning to play with each other, and we have two freshmen getting significant play, not to mention that one is starting. I believe that Simmons will improve as the team improves. If you compare his first 5 games this year to the previous two years, Simmons’ shooting stats are down (except for FT%), Reb%, Ast%, Stl%, & Blk% are all down, and his To% is way up. To me this isn’t surprising when you consider he has to back up Brodeur, do it with some new players, do it in limited minutes, and understanding that he is a PF (who, Brodeur excepted, usually take more time to develop). As it stands, Simmons has only played in 340 minutes in his 2+ years at Penn, and all in limited backup minutes. The bottom line is that Simmons is not going to be the same type of player as Brodeur, but I think we will see a better version of Simmons as the season continues. Also, unless it is something more than just tendonitis, I would think we will see Wang in a month or so which would give us more situational options. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3777 |
11-28-19 12:12 PM - Post#292590
Also, comparing anyone to Brodeur is a bit unfair because his play is so unique. This is a really important point. Brodeur's uniqueness is a key part of the challenge. There's really nobody else on the team who has a similar game. Wang, Simmons and Jackson, regardless of their strengths, are all dramatically different from AJ. So, when any of them enters the game for Brodeur, the other players on the floor are going to have to adjust to this. Perhaps this is why Simmons is struggling so much, and the coaches have been reluctant to play anybody else. I'd also add that this factor is why Fran Dunphy always kept his bench so short. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8257 |
11-28-19 01:35 PM - Post#292593
I think in this case you have to look at value as something more than a statistical measure. Each player on the team has a role, and there are offensive and defensive tasks required of a 6'8" player whose position is the 4 or 5 that you simply cannot expect a 6' point guard to be able to assume effectively. And, of course, vice versa. Thanks WG. This is what I was trying to point out. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3618 |
11-28-19 05:47 PM - Post#292610
Looks like Friars might not be as good as expected, they lost opening round Wooden Legacy game to 285th ranked Long Beach State (nice upset win by them). Didn’t see it but looking at play by play, they blew 9 point lead at half, missed free throws that could have iced it and then fouled 3 point shooter with couple seconds left who hit all 3 to win by 1 point... Think their fans were mad after we beat them, I bet that message board must be apoplectic right now! |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2139 |
11-28-19 08:00 PM - Post#292615
Looks like Friars might not be as good as expected, they lost opening round Wooden Legacy game to 285th ranked Long Beach State (nice upset win by them). Didn’t see it but looking at play by play, they blew 9 point lead at half, missed free throws that could have iced it and then fouled 3 point shooter with couple seconds left who hit all 3 to win by 1 point... Think their fans were mad after we beat them, I bet that message board must be apoplectic right now! I am in RI this weekend seeing family. Will check to see if there's a mushroom cloud on the horizon in the morning. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 |
11-28-19 09:54 PM - Post#292642
UCF is being incredibly physical. Decision making on passes continues to be awful, with Bryce joining the club. |
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Chip Bayers Professor Posts 7001 |
11-28-19 09:56 PM - Post#292644
Finally a good set of dribble attack and passing by Monroe & Martz. |
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