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barryw Sophomore Posts 122 |
03-13-20 05:59 PM - Post#304578
Does anyone know if the NCAA gives seniors an extra year of eligibility because of the virus, can Ryan come back to Penn or does the stupid Ivy rules screw that up |
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10Q Professor Posts 23574 |
03-13-20 06:07 PM - Post#304579
The ivy will never go for this. |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
03-13-20 07:33 PM - Post#304585
I know there is talk of senior eligibility for other conferences but it seems nt feasible to me. These guys and gals all played the whole year. And would underclassmen all get an extra year? I can see it for the spring sports. |
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QHoops Senior Posts 369 |
03-13-20 09:37 PM - Post#304589
Agreed. Regardless of what the NCAA does, can anyone imagine the Ivy League giving another year of eligibility to basketball players? No chance. I'll even be a little surprised if they work out something for spring sports. |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
03-14-20 09:52 AM - Post#304600
Agreed. Regardless of what the NCAA does, can anyone imagine the Ivy League giving another year of eligibility to basketball players? No chance. I'll even be a little surprised if they work out something for spring sports. Yes. |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
03-14-20 02:59 PM - Post#304604
Not sure if it’s been shared on here or not, but Betley is in the transfer portal. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32916 |
03-14-20 07:35 PM - Post#304610
And he will almost certainly have 2 years of eligibility to earn a Masters for free. It's what he said he was going to do and good luck to him. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619 
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03-14-20 11:13 PM - Post#304616
Wait how would he get 2 more years? You mean if NCAA gives winter sports seniors another year of eligibility? I’m still pretty doubtful of that one... |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32916 |
03-15-20 06:23 AM - Post#304620
Yes, that is a mistake. I was thinking he missed 2 seasons rather than one. |
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welcometothejungle Masters Student Posts 788 |
03-26-20 02:16 PM - Post#305122
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1 242843943... Interesting list of schools who've shown interest in Betley per Jon Rothstein: Arizona Stanford Louisville Vanderbilt Oregon State Utah State VCU Toledo Colorado State Hofstra Drexel Charleston Delaware William & Mary Northeastern |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32916 |
03-26-20 02:17 PM - Post#305124
If the idea is free grad school, gotta like Stanford |
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welcometothejungle Masters Student Posts 788 |
03-26-20 02:28 PM - Post#305125
Stanford's an interesting one, I don't believe they've ever taken a grad transfer for basketball, and I read they've only taken one for football. I do remember it being a story a few years ago where a Stanford football player wanted to play a 5th year as a graduate student at Stanford and was denied admission to the graduate school and had to grad transfer elsewhere instead. If Betley is able to get through admissions then definitely a strong option to have degrees from Penn and Stanford with the latter being free |
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SteveChop PhD Student Posts 1156 |
03-26-20 05:25 PM - Post#305135
From a basketball perspective, it would seem that Arizona and Louisville would be the top two. As Louisville already took a Penn graduate transfer in Tony Hicks, they may have some familiarity with what an Ivy League athlete brings to their program |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1905 |
03-26-20 07:28 PM - Post#305143
I hope it's Stanford. I could probably make it to a few games if he gets some PT. |
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TheLine Professor Posts 5597 |
03-27-20 08:00 AM - Post#305150
As Louisville already took a Penn graduate transfer in Tony Hicks, they may have some familiarity with what an Ivy League athlete brings to their program By Pitino. So maybe not something Louisville remembers fondly. |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
03-27-20 09:59 AM - Post#305156
Doubtful but hopes it William and Mary so he can be the one to finally lead them into the tourney. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
03-27-20 04:06 PM - Post#305164
My guess, and I have no information to support it, is that he will pick between Arizona and Louisville. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
03-27-20 04:44 PM - Post#305166
I hate to say it, but these teams are not getting the Betley they think they are. Unless another offseason brings better health, I don’t see how he competes with that level of competition. Maybe as an off-the-bench shooter who can provide a quick spark, but nothing like these other transfers will bring. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6418 |
03-27-20 04:54 PM - Post#305168
I actually think it is the opposite— he could fit better at a bigger school if he finds the right fit. At Penn, he was the number one perimeter shooter and a focus of every defense. This year, he was forced into tougher defensive assignments because of both guarding 4s at times and our lack of perimeter defenders after Goodman. At a high major, he will just be a shooter, and probably the fourth option when he is out there. Seems ideal for him to just knock down shots. And he will be easier to hide or help on defense. He may be a better high major fit than Aiken or Smith as a role player. |
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Buckeye Quake PhD Student Posts 1601 |
03-27-20 05:31 PM - Post#305169
Drexel. Doesn't have to move far if at all and the competition will suit his talent. Oh and he'll play for one of Donahue's buddies with pretty much the same CYO offense. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
03-27-20 05:40 PM - Post#305171
I hope that’s the case, but I think we watched different versions of him this year and I just don’t see him competing at that level. We quite literally won a game this year BECAUSE he was removed, and now he’s going to thrive at Louisville? I appreciate how hard he worked to get back, but I just don’t think last years Betley will have much success. |
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03-27-20 06:00 PM - Post#305174
My guess, and I have no information to support it, is that he will pick between Arizona and Louisville. Arizona got a good look at him in California over Thanksgiving. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
03-27-20 06:34 PM - Post#305176
My guess, and I have no information to support it, is that he will pick between Arizona and Louisville. Arizona got a good look at him in California over Thanksgiving. 36 minutes, 20 pts, 3-8 from 3, 4-4 from line, 1 foul. Certainly didn't look like he had much trouble with high major competition in that game. Providence: 37 min, 22pts, 5-9 3pt, 8reb, 2 fouls Also played decent against Alabama and Villanova. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32916 |
03-27-20 08:45 PM - Post#305177
Essentially, he played very well against teams who gave him no respect. The problem is that the teams that knew Penn played him tough and took him out of the game. He has no lift and little burst off the dribble, which is what made him such a good player until his injury. I agree that someone will want a guy who can come off the bench and hit open shots while the defense is keying on other players. |
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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03-28-20 01:09 AM - Post#305184
Ryan has good size, will continue to be a good shooter (I think his ankle injury didn’t give Betley’s shooting percentage a chance to normalize this year), and rebounds well for a guard. I also expect another year out from a very serious injury will be very good for his game and I even suspect he’ll get some of what we missed this year back. If he goes to a Louisville, Arizona type school he will get a good amount of open shots he will hit and they can hide him a bit on D. Not a star and maybe not a starter but a solid contributor I think. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32916 |
03-28-20 05:24 AM - Post#305186
No question that the ankle injury severely hampered him late in the year when he returned. But even before that, his defense (which was pretty good before his knee injury) was pretty much nonexistent. And he won't get the rebounds he got here as a guy who benefitted from AJ pressuring the ball and boxing out the opposition's big man at a higher level. He's pretty much just a shooter--a very good one. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
03-28-20 11:17 AM - Post#305195
Essentially, he played very well against teams who gave him no respect. The problem is that the teams that knew Penn played him tough and took him out of the game. He has no lift and little burst off the dribble, which is what made him such a good player until his injury. I agree that someone will want a guy who can come off the bench and hit open shots while the defense is keying on other players. I don't think Arizona ignored the fact he had scored 22 against Providence and 14 against UCF in the 2 previous games and decided to just let him shoot. I have a hard time believing Jay Wright and some of those other coaches went into a game against Penn with no clue about what Betley does. I think maybe what you are saying is Ivy teams tended to take away the 3 and not double the post vs most HM teams that tend to play more traditional MTM, which is collapse the middle and rotate out to shooters. That philosophy suits Betley well, and that's the reason I think he would be a good fit at a HM since most of those teams have people who can generate double teams and/or collapsing defenses. When Betley is the focal point of a defense he won't create. But playing off the ball as a kick out option to teams with multiple creators---I think he would be deadly. |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1905 |
03-28-20 01:51 PM - Post#305205
I fall into the camp that Betley can be a productive player at a higher level, if the team suits his abilities. He would fit well into a team that needs a poised shooter who reads the game and hits his free throws. If a team runs him off of more screens (along the lines of Rip Hamilton), that would make him more effective. To me, he is not just any shooter - he is an upper tier shooter with deep range. I also believe his D was starting to come back this season and he will have even more of his lateral motion back by next year. It normally takes two seasons to be back full speed, I think. I used to watch his defense in prior years, and I thought he was easy to underestimate. He wasn't a dominant defender, but he did a pretty good job staying in front of his player.
Essentially, he played very well against teams who gave him no respect. The problem is that the teams that knew Penn played him tough and took him out of the game. He has no lift and little burst off the dribble, which is what made him such a good player until his injury. I agree that someone will want a guy who can come off the bench and hit open shots while the defense is keying on other players. I don't think Arizona ignored the fact he had scored 22 against Providence and 14 against UCF in the 2 previous games and decided to just let him shoot. I have a hard time believing Jay Wright and some of those other coaches went into a game against Penn with no clue about what Betley does. I think maybe what you are saying is Ivy teams tended to take away the 3 and not double the post vs most HM teams that tend to play more traditional MTM, which is collapse the middle and rotate out to shooters. That philosophy suits Betley well, and that's the reason I think he would be a good fit at a HM since most of those teams have people who can generate double teams and/or collapsing defenses. When Betley is the focal point of a defense he won't create. But playing off the ball as a kick out option to teams with multiple creators---I think he would be deadly. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6418 |
03-28-20 04:38 PM - Post#305213
On the defense thing, the final game may have been just a matchup thing, but Betley was the only guy we had who seemed to be able to guard Jack Forrest. There was even a funny moment where Donahue went offense/defense and Betley looked surprised that Scott was coming in for someone else. Maybe Betley and Forrest can transfer to the same conference and Betley can guard him there. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2702 |
03-28-20 05:34 PM - Post#305219
Was Forrest any good? Read Columbia board thinking he might be, but he was not impressive when I saw him 2x in person. Over 2 games vs Harvard, scored 8 points in 60 minutes on 4-17 shooting. Physically outclassed in the Ivy League. Where do you go? Be interested to see what interest he gets. |
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 4008 |
03-28-20 05:46 PM - Post#305221
I thought he looked good against Brown, second game. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2702 |
03-28-20 06:44 PM - Post#305225
5 points in 24 minutes on 2-8 shooting. Except for opener vs Cornell, he never made half his shots in any Ivy game. In second half of Ivy season he shot 15-60 or 25%. Averaged 5 points a game in 27 minutes per game. Even if he was in Engle's doghouse he still played. Lost time to walk on. Had Ivy stretch where he hit 5 of 36 3's. Good luck with the transfer. Not hard to defend against that. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6418 |
03-29-20 01:22 AM - Post#305231
Well it was one of those where Forrest averaged 13.5 ppg against Penn, and not much against everyone else. The second game he scored in a flurry when he first came into the game, and then Betley came in and guarded him and shut him down after that. Agreed that he wasn’t efficient at all this year, and that he is unlikely to fish in the same pool as the league’s top 6 grad transfers. Or if he does, he likely won’t end up playing a lot. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2702 |
03-29-20 01:41 AM - Post#305232
Forrest was overwhelmed as a defender and rebounder in the games I saw. Columbia fans were excited because he could make 3’s when left alone and the Lions were desperate for offense. Unless he goes to a small school league I don’t expect we’ll here much from him. |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6418 |
03-29-20 08:56 AM - Post#305236
The other thing Forrest could do was get shots off the dribble. He was the only player for Columbia besides Smith who could do that. It is possible he would be more efficient as more of a spot up shooter who let the game come to him, but that didn’t seem to be his game as a freshman. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2702 |
03-29-20 12:10 PM - Post#305251
Could be. He had some very strong shooting games but with only Smith creating he seemed to be unable to hit his shots for most of the season. Don't remember him driving to the hole much either. May be that he'll thrive as a role player in a different scheme - one where he is an option as a shooter. |
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SteveChop PhD Student Posts 1156 |
03-29-20 04:52 PM - Post#305252
Forrest was a FRESHMAN. I thought he looked pretty good in the two games against Penn though Ryan did stop him pretty well in the NY game after Forrest scored 8 quick points. Wonder if he knew some of the Penn players since he is from the Philly suburbs and, at one point, Penn was interested in him - could that have contributed to why he looked better in those games than HARVARDADGRAD thinks? |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32916 |
03-29-20 04:53 PM - Post#305253
I was going to say the same thing---people are killing the kid, who was a freshman on a bad team. |
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welcometothejungle Masters Student Posts 788 |
03-31-20 01:39 PM - Post#305409
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1 245029438... Betley now receiving interest from USC and Cal as well. Both have recently had Ivy grad transfers in Quinton Adlesh and Grant Mullins respectively, coincidentally both from Columbia |
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mbaprof Senior Posts 346 |
04-01-20 10:47 AM - Post#305454
Adlesh average 11 min a game, looks like pt steadily declined with some exceptions Best game was against harvard Poor shooting pcnt for year Was he over matched? |
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welcometothejungle Masters Student Posts 788 |
04-01-20 11:43 AM - Post#305467
Think Adlesh struggled to find a role for USC too, at Columbia he played off the ball but was a playmaker in the offense along with being a shooter. At USC, they had a ton of talent/bodies in the backcourt, and Adlesh at 6-1 didn't really have a fit as an off ball guard in the Pac 12 My guess is USC wanted experience and veteran leadership on a very young team, and Adlesh wanted to be closer to home in Southern California. Can’t imagine either side thought he’d be a major contributor on a top 50-60 team. I think Betley could play a bigger role on a good team |
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mbaprof Senior Posts 346 |
04-01-20 11:56 AM - Post#305471
Thanks i see mullins had a big impact at cal in 16-17 |
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welcometothejungle Masters Student Posts 788 |
04-16-20 10:35 AM - Post#306277
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1 250537972... Not clear if this is a final list or if he's still waiting for teams to contact him, but Jeff Goodman reports Betley is currently considering Cal, Hofstra, Illinois, Memphis, Northeastern and Vanderbilt |
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welcometothejungle Masters Student Posts 788 |
04-17-20 07:20 PM - Post#306326
https://twitter.com/RyanBetley/status/125 127820063... Betley has committed to Cal |
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OldBig5 Masters Student Posts 639 |
04-17-20 08:20 PM - Post#306333
Good luck to Ryan--he will do well in the PAC 12. |
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Quakers03 Professor Posts 12533 |
04-17-20 08:26 PM - Post#306334
This makes more sense than Louisville ever did. Hope he's able to find a role and settle in. Gives us a reason to watch those Thursday night late games. |
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weinhauers_ghost Postdoc Posts 2144 |
04-17-20 08:48 PM - Post#306335
This makes more sense than Louisville ever did. Hope he's able to find a role and settle in. Gives us a reason to watch those Thursday night late games. Absolutely. Hope he has a great year out on the West Coast. |
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 4008 |
04-17-20 08:50 PM - Post#306336
Amen. I wish him success. |
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HARVARDDADGRAD Postdoc Posts 2702 |
04-17-20 09:19 PM - Post#306337
Cal needs him! |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1905 |
04-17-20 10:21 PM - Post#306339
Woo hoo! That will give me a reason to catch a few local Pac-10 games! 
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Mike Porter Postdoc Posts 3619
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04-17-20 11:55 PM - Post#306344
Great choice for Ryan I think both scholastically and athletically - congrats to him! Basketball-wise he will get P5 experience, team wasn’t great (pretty young) / doesn’t look like a super recruiting class so seems like he will get a chance to play a lot and I think he will do well there. Not sure how much they’ll win but we’ll have to see on that! Worst case, still gets a year of grad classes at another great school in CA. Worst worse case if there is no season, he gets a free year at a great grad school in CA. |
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mbaprof Senior Posts 346 |
04-18-20 06:30 AM - Post#306346
Here are their matchups for next year https://pac-12.com/article/2019/12/03/pa c-12-annou... Ill try and catch the seattle game |
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Charlie Fog Masters Student Posts 587 |
04-18-20 09:57 AM - Post#306349
congrats to Ryan, unfortunately I don't believe there will be a season. I wonder if he can redshirt again? |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6418 |
04-18-20 10:11 AM - Post#306350
I find it hard to imagine that the NCAA would deny another year to anyone who had eligibility for a season that got cancelled. |
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mbaprof Senior Posts 346 |
04-18-20 10:17 AM - Post#306351
There will be a season, fans over 60 may not be able or want to attend until there is a vaccine PENN will be very early adopter of antibody testing and screening |
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SteveChop PhD Student Posts 1156 |
04-18-20 10:17 AM - Post#306352
Yes but will Cal (or any other school) give TWO years of free graduate tuition for one year of playing. I know they are STUDENT-athletes but this is the NCAA we are talking about. Meanwhile, CONGRATS to Ryan, who was a HUGE contributor to the turnaround of the Penn program with his leadership, play and toughness in returning from a horrible injury. Good luck to him on the West Coast! |
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Penndemonium PhD Student Posts 1905 |
04-18-20 12:47 PM - Post#306354
I think his game will transfer well, both b/c Cal's team but also because of his specialized skills. I picture a role for him running a maze of screens for threes like Ray Allen or Rip Hamilton.
Yes but will Cal (or any other school) give TWO years of free graduate tuition for one year of playing. I know they are STUDENT-athletes but this is the NCAA we are talking about. Meanwhile, CONGRATS to Ryan, who was a HUGE contributor to the turnaround of the Penn program with his leadership, play and toughness in returning from a horrible injury. Good luck to him on the West Coast! |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6418 |
04-18-20 02:12 PM - Post#306356
Only concern with this is that Cal was almost at the bottom of Division one in assists last year (and they graduated the only guy getting more than 2 per game). They also didn’t shoot many 3s, so Betley fills a need, but I am not totally positive they can get him the ball running off screens the way you would like. Bradley, their scorer, shoots 3s, but I am curious how many of them are assisted. Still, this looks like a great chance to play a lot while still playing in a power conference. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3783 |
04-18-20 05:17 PM - Post#306360
Anybody know what grad program he'll be in? I didn't see that mentioned anyplace. |
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PennFan10 Postdoc Posts 3590 |
04-18-20 09:15 PM - Post#306363
He was Wharton at Penn so I assume MBA? |
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mbaprof Senior Posts 346 |
04-19-20 08:36 AM - Post#306367
Great mba programs would be tough with pac 12 travel schedule, lots and lots of group/team work All of cal s masters programs look challenging, no phys ed degrees there! Its a great school. He hasnt decided yet on a course of study |
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