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welcometothejungle Masters Student Posts 788 |
04-23-20 12:52 PM - Post#306552
https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/college-basket... Some interesting stuff from the guys at Three Man Weave, who pulled the 2018-19 MBB budgets for all D1 schools in the country (with the exceptions of Army, Navy, Air Force, and LIU). Some Ivy notes: The Ivy is 29th out of 32 conferences in average budget at $1.4 million, ahead of only the Southland, the MEAC and the SWAC. By median budget the Ivy moves up a spot to 28th, passing the Ohio Valley Conference. Here's how each school ranks nationall within the league: 225. Penn - $2,049,825 290. Harvard - $1,474,941 295. Columbia - $1,445,658 297. Yale - $1,416,853 305. Princeton - $1,342,776 317. Brown - $1,239,495 330. Cornell - $1,143,930 332. Dartmouth - $1,131,199 |
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SomeGuy Professor Posts 6418 |
04-23-20 02:35 PM - Post#306558
Interesting how well the league has done despite this. |
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Stuart Suss PhD Student Posts 1440 |
04-23-20 03:01 PM - Post#306570
Is the cost of an athletic scholarship considered an expenditure of the men's basketball program at a non-Ivy school, and, therefore, is reflected in their (necessarily higher) budget? |
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mrjames Professor Posts 6062 |
04-23-20 03:28 PM - Post#306572
Stu - I was thinking the exact same thing... |
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sparman PhD Student Posts 1356 
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04-23-20 04:00 PM - Post#306575
And conversely, does it exclude amount of fin aid given to ivy players under their formulas (I imagine it does considering how the league disclaims athletic financial support, in favor of general aid.) |
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Old Bear Postdoc Posts 4008 |
04-23-20 07:18 PM - Post#306582
I;m not sure that all of the budgets are uniformly calculated. |
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LocalTiger Masters Student Posts 476 |
04-23-20 09:30 PM - Post#306585
Penn looks to be out of line with the rest of the League. Amy ideas as to why? |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3783 |
04-24-20 07:47 AM - Post#306591
I'd go back to OB's post. Unless all of the institutions are calculating and categorizing all costs in exactly the same way (which I'm virtually positive they're not), the reported budgets really aren't comparable. |
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Bryan Junior Posts 236 |
04-24-20 10:04 AM - Post#306596
Are coaches salaries counted in the MBB budgets? Are they counted when coaches have titles suggesting an endowment for a position is involved? For example, Mitch Henderson is the Franklin C. Cappon-Edward G. Green ’40 head coach of Princeton men’s basketball. That makes it sound like much or all of his compensation is not coming directly from the MBB budget. |
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Silver Maple Postdoc Posts 3783 |
04-24-20 10:47 AM - Post#306597
Coach salaries are only one confounding factor-- although one that has the potential to be pretty huge. Another is overhead allocations. Depending on how the institution accounts for university-wide and athletic department fixed costs, this could create major budget differences across programs in the conference. |
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LocalTiger Masters Student Posts 476 |
04-24-20 12:18 PM - Post#306606
From looking at the data source, these numbers are a roll-up of responses to specific standardized questions from a federal authority. Among the uses of the data are determining compliance with Tittle IX and other federal requirements. I am not sure we should assume there is a lot of wiggle room in providing the data. There may be some variation, but I doubt it explains a 30 percent variance. |
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Streamers Professor Posts 8373 
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04-24-20 12:22 PM - Post#306607
Maybe maintenance on a large nearly 100 year old Arena has something to do with it. |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32955 |
04-24-20 12:26 PM - Post#306608
And they built a practice facility and put in a new Palestra floor in the last 2 years that likely is incorporated into costs. |
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LocalTiger Masters Student Posts 476 |
04-24-20 04:13 PM - Post#306629
Facilities are not part of the calculation- head coach salary, assistant coach salaries, scholarships ( 0 for Ivies), recruiting, And game day expenses. It looks like HYP are getting more bang for the buck. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
04-24-20 05:00 PM - Post#306635
Posted wrong place How do we think all in compensation for head coaches shakes out? I have amaker on top but otherwise... |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
04-24-20 05:05 PM - Post#306636
And the above poster is correct Some of the operating costs are covered by the foundation which in Yale’s case covers things like overseas trips etc and some discretionary stuff based on the head coach’s predilection It’s investing alongside the actual university endowment So that is not factored in but I presume it to be a similar waterfall based on tradition etc Harvard might have more bf of Steve balmer and some other heavyweights should support the program I am not sure which is why I ask the above |
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LocalTiger Masters Student Posts 476 |
04-24-20 05:22 PM - Post#306637
For the purpose this data is collected, I do not think it matters if payment comes from an endowment, booster or regular operating expenses. If that made a difference, the big football schools could fund everything from those sources with no concern for gender equity. I understand that schools with endowed coaching chairs or funds for overseas trips may gain an advantage from those resources, especiallly in the current constrained environment, But those differences do not explain Penn's bigger budget here. |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
04-24-20 07:47 PM - Post#306645
To the extent a foundation covers things recurringly why would this be posted as a part of this disclosure Can you figure out how much coach k makes a year? I have heard it’s 10mm+ Do they include this in their database given it’s likely all covered by a foundation or booster program beyond his base? It’s a question. I don’t know the answer bc I haven’t scoured it. I have heard amaker makes close to 1mm all in. Is that included in these numbers or does that just mean Donahue makes 1.3mm ? |
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palestra38 Professor Posts 32955 |
04-24-20 08:41 PM - Post#306647
Donahue makes less than half of Amaker, and that doesn't include Amaker's wife or his house. |
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LocalTiger Masters Student Posts 476 |
04-24-20 09:34 PM - Post#306648
Dike's reported budget is over 22 million, so I don't think you can assume it is not all in regardless of source. The answer too why a recurring foundation payment would be included is because those dollars affect gender equity, one of the purposes of reporting. I don't know what AMA,era makes relative to Donahue, but if it is in fact twice as much, then Penn's spending on recruiting, assistants and travel dwarfs Harvard and everyone else. The narrative about who has the resources seems seriously in question. |
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LocalTiger Masters Student Posts 476 |
04-24-20 09:35 PM - Post#306649
Duke's |
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james Masters Student Posts 801 |
04-24-20 09:54 PM - Post#306650
Fair enough although you wonder with all the obvious resources duke has it that is included? Chartered flights. guarantee games. Bonuses for Zion and his mom, etc Private jets for recruiting trips. You get the drift though 22mm I feels like a power 5 football budget so I get your point. Big $s |
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