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rbg
Postdoc
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05-19-21 12:35 PM - Post#324133    

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1 395049440...

Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein

Sources: Oklahoma, Davidson, Utah State, New Mexico State, Indiana State, East Carolina, Old Dominion, and Penn will headline the 2021 Myrtle Beach Invitational.

***New Mexico State was originally slated to be in the Diamond Head Classic, but is now headed for Myrtle Beach.
12:11 PM · May 19, 20
palestra38
Professor
Posts 29552
05-19-21 04:17 PM - Post#324139    

https://www.visitmyrtlebeach.com/things-to-do/even...

Nov 18,19 and 21
SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1083
05-19-21 08:22 PM - Post#324144    

Thanks for reporting - I'll be there!
T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
PhD Student
Posts 1124
05-20-21 03:07 PM - Post#324145    

Jelani Williams is dropping 40 on Oklahoma.

You heard it here first.
OldBig5
Masters Student
Posts 539
05-21-21 07:53 PM - Post#324153    

Not sure if I can make the game but we have a second home not far from the CCU campus. Attended a Big South championship game there several years ago when CCU was still in that conference. Nice little arena. Looks like a good field.
mbaprof
Junior
Posts 274
05-27-21 12:14 PM - Post#324216    

Pretty decent golf course right by arena
OldBig5
Masters Student
Posts 539
05-27-21 09:05 PM - Post#324253    

Yes the golf course is nice. Have played there a couple times although not recently.
1979Quakers
Freshman
Posts 78
06-19-21 03:07 PM - Post#324806    

The Quakers are tentatively scheduled to play at George Mason on November 12th.

Source: https://d1docket.blogspot.com/2021/06/

SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1083
06-20-21 07:40 PM - Post#324819    

Really interesting to see a source that actually shows the amounts teams receive and give for Guaranty Games. I'd love to see how Penn's schedule would look from this view.
palestra38
Professor
Posts 29552
06-21-21 11:54 AM - Post#324824    

Is Stony Brook actually worth more than Penn, or is it because it is an opener?
SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1083
06-21-21 05:38 PM - Post#324843    

From the same publication, Docket1 - Harvard was lined-up to play at Allen Fieldhouse last season before the Ivy League cancelled the 2020-21 Athletics’ season but will now play that game in late December.
Mike Porter
Postdoc
Posts 3344
Mike Porter
06-24-21 03:00 PM - Post#324883    

That is really interesting to see the values here, thanks for that.

Hopefully come the fall we'll get to see a "George Mason loses a buy game to Penn. The epitome of brutality." tweet from Jon Rothstein, haha.

I imagine this is also intended as a "going home" game for Jelani as well, so love to see that and he's earned it.
rbg
Postdoc
Posts 2911
06-24-21 06:48 PM - Post#324899    

11/12/21 at George Mason
11/18/21 at Myrtle Beach Invitational
11/19/21 at Myrtle Beach Invitational
11/21/21 at Myrtle Beach Invitational
01/02/22 vs Brown (Sunday)
01/15/22 vs Yale? (Saturday)
02/18/22 at Yale (Friday)
02/19/22 at Brown (Saturday)

barryw
Freshman
Posts 99
07-07-21 08:27 AM - Post#325168    

According to Towson's schedule, Penn plays therre on November 23rd.
welcometothejungle
Masters Student
Posts 786
07-27-21 04:31 PM - Post#325544    

https://collegehoopstoday .com/index.php/rothstein-...

Penn will open up with Utah State at the Myrtle Beach Invitational, per Jon Rothstein
palestra38
Professor
Posts 29552
07-27-21 04:55 PM - Post#325546    

11/18-19 and 21 at Coastal Carolina in Conway, SC
SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1083
07-27-21 05:01 PM - Post#325547    

And Penn's 2nd game in the tournament is against either Davidson or New Mexico State, whichever has the same result as the Penn-Utah State game.
barryw
Freshman
Posts 99
08-04-21 02:56 PM - Post#325802    

Penn plays at Bucknell on Sunday afternoon November 14th. So far three road games (George Mason, Bucknell, and Towson). How about some nonconference home games.
SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1083
08-06-21 03:54 PM - Post#325828    

Not clear whether the Myrtle Beach tournament is an exempt tournament for Penn (i.e. counts as one game). Penn played in the California tournament in 2019-20 (which was not exempt for us because we had played in the VI tournament in 2018-19 and a different exempt tournament in 2017-18). The always forward thinking Ivy League only allows 2 exempt tournaments in each 4 year cycle. Not sure whether they are going to count last year as part of the 4 years. If they don't, we can't do a tournament and have it count as one game (Coach Donahue indicated two years ago he was OK with being in a tournament and having it count as 3 games because it gives Penn better competition. If the Myrtle Beach tournament is not exempt, there are only 3 more games to schedule (14 Ivy + 4 Big 5 + 3 Myrtle Beach + Towson, Bucknell and Geo Mason = 24 games and the IL permits 27). Assuming that Lafayette will be one of those games, not much room for more scheduling.
1979Quakers
Freshman
Posts 78
08-06-21 05:52 PM - Post#325829    

https://www.bloggingthebracket.com/2021/2/17/22287...

According to BloggingTheBracket , the Myrtle Beach Invitational is an exempt tournament, giving the Quakers five more non-conference games. I sense three will be home games (Lafayette plus two more).

I would not be surprised if a pre-tournament game at Coastal Carolina shows up on the schedule, since the Chanticleers are based in Myrtle Beach.
section110
Masters Student
Posts 845
08-06-21 08:14 PM - Post#325831    

And the tournament is at Coastal's gym.
SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1083
08-07-21 02:23 PM - Post#325837    

The fact that it is an exempt tournament (per the NCAA) is not a total decider to the Ivies. You are only allowed 2 exempt tournaments in 4 years. We played in exempt tournaments the last two years we played (though the one in California counted as three games (NOT one) to comply with Ivy rules. THAT is the source of my question - did last year count as one of the four? If so, this would only count as one game; if not, it counts as three.

13otto
Masters Student
Posts 679
13otto
08-07-21 11:40 PM - Post#325842    

This year's should be our second exempt tournament in four years (2018-19 being the other). We did not play in one last year (obviously, as we didn't play at all) and the 2019-20 Wooden legacy tournament counted as 3 games (meaning it wasn't exempt).
http://www.letsgoquakers.com/

SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1083
08-08-21 11:03 AM - Post#325848    

I agree Otto that is one argument BUT if the rule says (or is interpreted to mean) two times in four SEASONS, this would not be able to be counted as one game. THAT is the issue I am raising because the year before the Wooden Classic, Penn played in the tournament in the VI that only counted as one game.
barryw
Freshman
Posts 99
08-12-21 12:46 PM - Post#325962    

Penn at LaSalle Sat December 11, Cornell at Penn Fri January 7th, Columbia at Penn Sat January 8th. Got info from D1Docket (a great site to find schedules)
91Quake
PhD Student
Posts 1047
08-12-21 01:46 PM - Post#325963    

Ivy league schedule out:

https://pennathletics.com/news/2021/8/12/mens-b ask...
palestra38
Professor
Posts 29552
08-12-21 02:55 PM - Post#325970    

6 of the last 8 on the road---better get off to a very good start in the League.
OldBig5
Masters Student
Posts 539
08-12-21 06:54 PM - Post#325976    

I like the Princeton game at the end. Not like the old days when they dominated the league but a tradition.
SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1083
08-19-21 03:24 PM - Post#326188    

The D1 Docket (cited by P38 above) shows Penn playing AT Florida State on November 10.

That gives Penn an opening schedule of

AT Florida State on Wednesday 11/10 in Talahassee, FL

AT George Mason on Friday 11/12 in Fairfax, VA

AT Bucknell on Sunday, 11/14 in Lewisburg, PA

And then off to the tournament in Myrtle Beach, SC beginning on Thursday, November 18th thru Sunday, November 21st.

AT Towson on Tuesday, November 23rd in Towson, MD

That is quite an opening two weeks, SEVEN games, ALL on the road.




palestra38
Professor
Posts 29552
08-19-21 03:43 PM - Post#326191    

And then, while I am on vacation over New Years, I will miss our first 3 Ivy home games. All those games when no students will be around. Crazy scheduling.
barryw
Freshman
Posts 99
08-19-21 10:37 PM - Post#326212    

This schedule is insane. Seven straight road games to start the season - after not having played before the hone fans in almost two years. Other than the Ivy games and Temple and St Joe there might be one other home game - that powerhouse Lafayette. The Ivy rule forcing teams to
play only 27 games if they are in a MTE is ridiculous.

1979Quakers
Freshman
Posts 78
08-28-21 11:38 AM - Post#326384    

Penn at St. Joe's on December 8th, according to D1 Docket.
PennFan10
Postdoc
Posts 3371
08-28-21 01:10 PM - Post#326385    

Penn opens at Florida State in Tallahassee Nov 10

https://seminoles.com/sports/basketball/sch edule/
palestra38
Professor
Posts 29552
08-28-21 03:22 PM - Post#326386    

Did their new coach decide to end the policy of always playing that game at the Palestra?
SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1083
08-28-21 07:50 PM - Post#326387    

The game has been played at St Joes at least twice - in 1991 (the night the US invaded Iraq the first time) and 1993. Martelli strongly believed that Big 5 games should take place at the Palestra. The reference to that game in this morning's Inquirer said that the "Hawks host Penn on December 8th" - that implies to me that it will be at St Joes, not the Palestra, but we need to await clarification.
13otto
Masters Student
Posts 679
13otto
08-29-21 07:59 AM - Post#326388    

  • SteveChop Said:
The game has been played at St Joes at least twice - in 1991 (the night the US invaded Iraq the first time) and 1993.


The second time at St. Joe's was 1/21/1995 (not 1993), a 92-82 overtime loss when we were nationally ranked (#25). That remains the last basketball game we played while being ranked in the AP Top 25 poll.
http://www.letsgoquakers.com/

palestra38
Professor
Posts 29552
08-29-21 10:16 AM - Post#326390    

Maloney missed a clinching FT
mbaprof
Junior
Posts 274
08-29-21 03:06 PM - Post#326393    

https://sjuhawks.com/sports/mens-basketbal l/schedu...
At hagan..
palestra38
Professor
Posts 29552
08-29-21 04:54 PM - Post#326394    

Well, they have that right. On the other hand, we are playing our first 4 Ivy home games during intersession.

And that is an absolute joke.
Old Bear
Postdoc
Posts 3871
08-29-21 07:48 PM - Post#326396    

Sounds like a great opportunity for social distancing
Old Bear
Postdoc
Posts 3871
08-29-21 07:49 PM - Post#326397    

Sounds like a great opportunity for social distancing.
barryw
Freshman
Posts 99
08-30-21 06:24 AM - Post#326400    

I've seen a number of things about Villanova's schedule and it has Penn as a home game. If true, that means that Temple would be the only city game at home. As of now there would be only 8 home games with Lafayette making nine. The schedule for home games SUCKS. At this late date the only possibility for home games left would be a Division 3 team like Ursinus.
SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1083
08-30-21 09:47 AM - Post#326401    

Looking at Villanova's schedule on D1 Docket, while the Penn game is not listed, it lists home games for St Joes, Temple and LaSalle. Can't believe that they will be playing all FOUR of their Big 5 games at home so I think we need to see how that shakes out.

I'd also note that the Penn schedule on that same site shows Temple, St Joes and LaSalle all as AWAY games (and doesn't show Nova). So that site may not be the best place to see whether games are home or away.
palestra38
Professor
Posts 29552
08-30-21 09:58 AM - Post#326402    

However the Big 5 schedule shakes out, it is amazing that it appears that Penn is loading up on road games, perhaps to get decent home games in the future. But this home season is going to contain the fewest games on record and it will be invisible to students.
Ancient Quaker
Masters Student
Posts 645
Ancient Quaker
08-30-21 11:40 AM - Post#326404    

Yet they will probably attempt to charge us the same fixed price for season tickets, regardless of the number of games, as the did in 2019-20.
Silver Maple
Postdoc
Posts 3734
08-30-21 12:15 PM - Post#326405    

  • Ancient Quaker Said:
Yet they will probably attempt to charge us the same fixed price for season tickets, regardless of the number of games, as the did in 2019-20.



You might want to consider removing 'probably' and 'attempt' from that sentence.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 18553
08-30-21 12:33 PM - Post#326406    

  • palestra38 Said:
However the Big 5 schedule shakes out, it is amazing that it appears that Penn is loading up on road games, perhaps to get decent home games in the future. But this home season is going to contain the fewest games on record and it will be invisible to students.




2019-2020 also had next to no home games other than Ivy contests and Big 5 games. Widener was the only other home contest.
1979Quakers
Freshman
Posts 78
08-30-21 04:34 PM - Post#326411    

Penn at Arkansas on November 26th, according to D1 Docket and the Razorbacks schedule release.
13otto
Masters Student
Posts 679
13otto
08-30-21 04:40 PM - Post#326412    

  • 1979Quakers Said:
Penn at Arkansas on November 26th, according to D1 Docket and the Razorbacks schedule release.


It's listed as November 28th on the D1 Docket (26th on the Razorbacks site).
http://www.letsgoquakers.com/

10Q
Professor
Posts 20941
08-30-21 04:41 PM - Post#326413    

No one is forcing you to buy season tickets. It’s not like you’ll need them to get great seats at any game
13otto
Masters Student
Posts 679
13otto
08-30-21 04:51 PM - Post#326415    

Penn last played LaSalle, Temple & St. Joe's at the Palestra, so it makes sense that all 3 should be away games this year. Villanova & Lafayette should be home games, since we last played both of them on the road. We also traveled to Howard in 2019-20 (and in 2017-18). Do they owe us a home game?
http://www.letsgoquakers.com/

Stuart Suss
PhD Student
Posts 1357
08-30-21 06:07 PM - Post#326417    

This Arkansas web site list the game as scheduled for Sunday, November 28.
Stuart Suss
PhD Student
Posts 1357
08-30-21 06:11 PM - Post#326419    

And this Arkansas web page lists the game for Friday, November 26.


SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1083
08-30-21 07:40 PM - Post#326422    

If Penn played Temple, LaSalle and St Joes at the Palestra, the St Joes game may have been considered a "road" game for Penn (along with Vilanova on the road). If that is correct, St Joes and Villanova should be home games this year.
13otto
Masters Student
Posts 679
13otto
08-31-21 10:18 AM - Post#326424    

  • Stuart Suss Said:
And this Arkansas web page lists the game for Friday, November 26.




That site now has been updated to reflect Sunday, November 28, as well.
http://www.letsgoquakers.com/

13otto
Masters Student
Posts 679
13otto
08-31-21 10:24 AM - Post#326425    

  • SteveChop Said:
If Penn played Temple, LaSalle and St Joes at the Palestra, the St Joes game may have been considered a "road" game for Penn (along with Vilanova on the road). If that is correct, St Joes and Villanova should be home games this year.


Penn wore its home whites in the last meeting with St. Joe's (January 18, 2020), so this year is St. Joe's home game, which is why they're playing at Hagan Arena.
http://www.letsgoquakers.com/

SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1083
08-31-21 11:28 AM - Post#326426    

Just got a season ticket request from Penn which indicates

"During the 2021-22 season we will play a 29-game schedule that features 11 home games at The Palestra."

Other than mentioning Arkansas and the Myrtle Beach tournament and that we are playing Villanova at home, there is no indication of the other three home games (one of which theoretically should be a Big Five game).

Streamers
Professor
Posts 6624
Streamers
08-31-21 11:55 AM - Post#326427    

Here is the whole list:

https://pennathletics.com/news/2021/8/31/mens-b asketball-announces-2021- 22-non-conference-schedul e.aspx
palestra38
Professor
Posts 29552
08-31-21 12:26 PM - Post#326428    

So I'm going on vacation Christmas and New Year's weeks, when we will have 6 of our home games. Sheesh.
Streamers
Professor
Posts 6624
Streamers
08-31-21 12:37 PM - Post#326431    

ouch. I only have to miss 1 and part of another as of now.
penn nation
Professor
Posts 18553
08-31-21 01:25 PM - Post#326434    

At least that will give me a chance to see them and possibly take at least the boychicks who will be home from school.

Last full season afforded me no such opportunities. I had to go to Easton to see them play (and lose). Real nice campus, though. Boychick #1 even applied there and got in (and yes, alum Joe Maddon was part of his essay) even though he ultimately decided to go elsewhere.
Streamers
Professor
Posts 6624
Streamers
08-31-21 02:15 PM - Post#326437    

It is a nice campus, we looked at it too.
SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1083
08-31-21 03:26 PM - Post#326439    

The answer is (SHOCKINGLY!) that the price of tickets have not been reduced even though the number of Home games has AGAIN been reduced. The price for side court lower chairbacks remains $399 per seat. The difference is that there are only 11 home games this year. I think that there were 11 in the 2019-2020 season and 14 in the 2018-19 season. That represents a per ticket increase from $28.50 to $36.20. What was promised two years ago was that Penn would not raise ticket prices in the subsequent year (which. of course, never happened).

Their next argument will be that they are providing season ticket holders with the following benefits:

As a Season Ticket Holder you will receive:

Customized digital jersey (whatever that is)
Vouchers for game programs (programs have been
free)
A concession credit (how much? do you want to
stand in long lines? ATR members get
dinner and halftime refreshments) so what
is the value?
Merchandise discounts (to get a "discount"
means you have to spend more money)
The opportunity to submit a question to
[Steve Donahue's staff and Steve for the
exclusive Season Ticket Holder Ask the
Coaches video series
Complimentary tickets to select Penn
Football and Penn Women's Basketball
games (some value here though going to
Women's Ivy games is impossible if you
go to road games of the men's team
which I do)
and more! (WHAT??)


Streamers
Professor
Posts 6624
Streamers
08-31-21 04:10 PM - Post#326440    

Such generosity!
rbg
Postdoc
Posts 2911
08-31-21 06:36 PM - Post#326442    

2021-2022 Schedule
11/10/21 at Florida State
11/12/21 at George Mason
11/14/21 at Bucknell
11/16/21 vs Lafayette
11/18/21 vs Utah State (at Myrtle Beach Invitational)
11/19/21 vs Davidson (at Myrtle Beach Invitational)
11/21/21 vs Oklahoma, East Carolina, Indiana State or Old Dominion (at Myrtle Beach Invitational)
11/23/21 at Towson
11/28/21 at Arkansas
12/01/21 vs Villanova
12/04/21 at Temple
12/08/21 at St. Joe's
12/11/21 at LaSalle
12/28/21 vs James Madison
01/02/22 vs Brown
01/04/22 vs Howard
01/07/22 vs Cornell
01/08/22 vs Columbia
01/15/22 vs Dartmouth
01/17/22 at Princeton
01/22/22 vs Yale
01/29/22 at Harvard
02/04/22 at Columbia
02/05/22 at Cornell
02/12/22 vs Harvard
02/18/22 at Yale
02/19/22 at Brown
02/26/22 at Dartmouth
03/05/22 vs Princeton
03/12/22-03/13/22 Ivy League Tournament at Harvard
SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts 1083
08-31-21 07:01 PM - Post#326443    

Thanks for putting this all in one place!

dperry
Postdoc
Posts 2156
dperry
09-01-21 02:02 PM - Post#326449    

  • SteveChop Said:
The answer is (SHOCKINGLY!) that the price of tickets have not been reduced even though the number of Home games has AGAIN been reduced.




Yeah, football is staying the same price for individual games as well. Given that everyone is sitting on the south side this year and the lower GA tickets are therefore not going to be great, they'd better let us sit in the upper deck, or I'm going to have a hissy.

And if that wasn't enough, we also give you a bonus helping of draconian COVID restrictions! I'll let the actual lawyers parse the meaning of "attest" in this context, but hopefully it means we won't have to actually bring our vaccination cards to the games, although I'm not happy about either the mandatory provision of contact information to Big Ben, the pre-game check-in, or having to wear masks for the whole frickin' game. If this is what they're doing for the fall season, when most of the sports are outside, I can only imagine what it's going to be like for the winter. Also, the reference to "social distancing" is worrisome; that could put a serious dent in the capacity of the Palestra if they decide to enforce an actual number. For those of you who want to attend the Villanova game in person, I would definitely get tickets as soon as they become available, and depending on how well hoops does this year, I could also see the Harvard and Princeton games being problems. If football and the two basketballs don't get off to good starts, I'm probably going to curtail my attendance sharply until they come back to their senses.
David Perry
Penn '92
"Hail, Alma Mater/Thy sons cheer thee now
To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!"

Streamers
Professor
Posts 6624
Streamers
09-01-21 02:26 PM - Post#326450    

Thanks for pointing this out. Masking for outdoor events seems excessive to me given we are vaxed. I have a photo of my vax card on my phone, so I can deal with that. I really don't know how they will enforce the whole RSVP/registration/attesta tion thing. All in all, I may try the football experience once; and if it is a bad as it sounds, the attendance will be so small, none of this will matter.

Basketball could be a lot more problematic in the Palestra, however.
Old Bear
Postdoc
Posts 3871
09-01-21 07:18 PM - Post#326460    

There’s a free app called Clear which allows you to download your fax info. It could be helpful.
10Q
Professor
Posts 20941
09-01-21 07:39 PM - Post#326461    

I’m just going to pass on the whole thing.
AsiaSunset
Postdoc
Posts 4218
09-02-21 08:06 AM - Post#326467    

Saw on Twitter that Penn entered a deal with Paciolan. I think it’s likely the whole process will be automated and you’ll get in the venues with a phone ticket or ( for the extreme luddites) a printed pass. The days of the physical ticket for Penn events has probably passed.

As for masking at outdoor events, that seems like overkill.
Streamers
Professor
Posts 6624
Streamers
09-02-21 09:19 AM - Post#326468    

My guess is that sitting 20 ft away from everyone else will not be difficult, especially if they open the upper deck. Expect attendance in the 100s.
Quake Show
Sophomore
Posts 178
09-02-21 11:10 AM - Post#326476    

For what it’s worth, and I’m not sure this will apply to basketball games, my classes at Penn are in person, masked, but not socially distanced.
Streamers
Professor
Posts 6624
Streamers
09-02-21 01:36 PM - Post#326483    

Same for the class I teach on campus at St. Joes. Was true this time last year at this time with distanced seating.
Condor
PhD Student
Posts 1832
09-18-21 09:07 AM - Post#326728    

Notwithstanding the unhappiness re the home games, the OOC presents some interesting challenges. Based on last years Kenpom, the Tier groupings would be as follows assuming worst case outcomes in the tournament:

Tier 1 – 4 games: Florida St (A), Arkansas (A), Villanova (H), and Utah State (N)

Tier 2 – 0 games

Tier 3 – 6 games: George Mason (A), Temple (A), St. Joe’s (A), LaSalle (A), New Mexico St. (N), and East Carolina (N)

Tier 4 – 5 games: Bucknell (A), Towson (A), Lafayette (H), James Madison (H), and Howard (H)

Streamers
Professor
Posts 6624
Streamers
09-18-21 11:01 AM - Post#326729    

Point taken and thanks for the breakdown. I just wish I felt better about springing for season tickets with the home schedule and the Covid ‘experience’.



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