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SomeGuy
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09-09-21 10:35 PM - Post#326593    

The roster is out, and doesn’t appear to include Evan Nelson. Does anyone know if this is meaningful?
Naismith
Sophomore
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09-10-21 07:02 PM - Post#326603    

Never heard of him. Harvard has 4 3-star kids on 247 site and is ranked 51st in nation. but I'm no 365 day follower.
SomeGuy
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09-10-21 07:22 PM - Post#326604    

Well, 247 had him as a 3 star recruit committed to Harvard.


https://247sports.com/player/evan-nelson-46 047876/
Naismith
Sophomore
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09-11-21 12:13 PM - Post#326608    

Sorry, I was looking at 2021; he was in 2020-- still never heard of him.

So that means Harvard has a 2-year group of five 3-stars entering as rookies. Not bad.
SomeGuy
Professor
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09-11-21 12:32 PM - Post#326611    

https://gocrimson.com/news/2020/6/12/6_12_2 020_363

Here is the Harvard announcement from last year. Should be 7 newcomers even without Nelson. Doesn’t seem to have transferred that I can see.
Naismith
Sophomore
Posts 107
09-11-21 01:52 PM - Post#326612    

Just went to current link and saw roster; you're right 7 newcomers, 5 are 3-star. Only 2 seniors; can see why OOC schedule a little lighter than usual. They still will be contender in March.
palestra38
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09-11-21 04:12 PM - Post#326613    

It's going to take Amaker's best coaching job with Harvard to win this year with so little experience.
HARVARDDADGRAD
Postdoc
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09-11-21 08:41 PM - Post#326617    

But ….. Kirkwood.
Another coach on the floor
palestra38
Professor
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09-12-21 06:10 AM - Post#326618    

Can't tell if you're being serious or not. I'm guessing not.
84grad
Junior
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09-12-21 10:09 AM - Post#326624    

HARVARDDADGRAD, I couldn’t agree with you more on Kirkwood. He is a quiet leader, but I know his teammates (including upperclassmen when he was a freshman) have had tremendous respect for him. More than anyone I can recall, he plays all facets of the game the right way. He’ll need to have a big year to allow this team to succeed, but I fully expect that to happen. He will be a great influence on what amounts to two freshmen classes with plenty of raw potential.
Naismith
Sophomore
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09-12-21 12:13 PM - Post#326625    

Harvard's juniors last played as freshmen in 2019. At least 3 of them would have started on at least 4 of other Ivies that season.

Not certain of rules, but 5 Harvard seniors-Juniors may be grad school candidates elsewhere in following 2 years. Yale probably same boat.
palestra38
Professor
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09-12-21 03:53 PM - Post#326626    

OK, love your enthusiasm, but Kirkwood is a decent player, nothing more. Yale is the team that brought back experienced players with much better numbers and Penn's freshmen put up much better numbers than Harvard's (although they played more).

But we'll see. All the coaches have to bring together teams that haven't played together in 2 years.
84grad
Junior
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09-13-21 09:09 AM - Post#326630    

I'll be surprised if any of the Ivy teams have success in non-league play. Ivy play (where things are at least level) will be a real crapshoot and will depend in large part on who gets the most out of 2 1st year classes. Not much would surprise me this year.
palestra38
Professor
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09-13-21 09:11 AM - Post#326631    

I agree...for everyone but Yale. But anything can happen 2 years out from playing real ball.
84grad
Junior
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09-13-21 10:03 AM - Post#326633    

Regarding Kirkwood, Amaker twice specifically referred to Kirkwood as the best all-around player on the team - a team that included Aiken and Towns (before they got hurt). Kirkwood was Ivy rookie of the year and first team all-Ivy as a sophomore for a reason. As good as some of the Yale returnees are (not to mention some other quality players on other teams), I wouldn't trade him for anyone on other Ivy rosters.

We'll see where they all stand after the March 2020 to November 2021 hiatus.
palestra38
Professor
Posts 27975
09-13-21 10:17 AM - Post#326634    

All around is a very telling statement from a coach. Yes, he played good defense in a team setting, but he's a 6'7" guy playing 30 minutes a game but over 2 years only averaged 4 rebounds and had more turnovers than assists. Not a good foul shooter and an average outside shooter. Not particularly physical.

Harvard relied on its seniors last time around. This time it is relying on very highly rated prospects who have played little. That's why I think Amaker will really have to coach up this team to win. They have a lot of talent, though. They are one of 3-4 teams who have to have their freshmen and sophs from 2 years ago really step up.
84grad
Junior
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09-13-21 11:49 AM - Post#326635    

I can assure you that when I spoke with Amaker regarding Kirkwood there were no negative connotations. And none of the seniors made 1st team — Kirkwood did. We’ll see, but I expect him to be first team again, not just a “decent” player. He contributes in many ways and will be invaluable in bringing the younger players along.
HARVARDDADGRAD
Postdoc
Posts 2285
09-13-21 04:09 PM - Post#326647    

I would venture that if Kirkwood didn't foul out Harvard would have beaten NC State in NIT.

19 points in 24 minutes on 8-12 shooting
4 rbs
5 assists

Best player on the court as a freshman.
palestra38
Professor
Posts 27975
09-13-21 04:13 PM - Post#326649    

I'm looking forward to the season....and we'll see who has the most cohesive teams out there.
HARVARDDADGRAD
Postdoc
Posts 2285
09-13-21 04:21 PM - Post#326650    

Agree with your underlying statement. We need to see who plays well together after a year off.

Yale certainly has an edge with returning experienced players and Penn and Brown might as well.

Brendan Barry is a huge plus for Dartmouth. Princeton has some important returnees.

Cornell and Columbia are 'rebuilding'?

No idea what we'll see from Harvard, but as I've stated before, the serniors (Kirkwood, Ledlum, Forbes) are high usage so that's a plus.

Definitely going to be ugly early, then interesting in league play.


rbg
Postdoc
Posts 2789
09-17-21 04:32 PM - Post#326721    

Well, there's this tweet from Jon Rothstein.

Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein

Hoops Junkies! Call your financial advisor NOW and buy stock in Harvard's Noah Kirkwood. Somewhat of a forgotten man since the Ivy League didn't play last season. A Denzel Valentine type at 6-7. Potential Ivy League POY.
1:25 PM · Sep 17, 2021
HARVARDDADGRAD
Postdoc
Posts 2285
09-17-21 07:26 PM - Post#326725    

…. What he said!

I love being ahead of the curve



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